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Jeff Rubard

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Oct 18, 2003, 5:10:36 PM10/18/03
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From recent correspondence with the University of Pittsburgh,
imitations of USPS postal codes not marked using USPS-standard stamps:

"Return To Sender" Nuel Belnap, Philosophy
"Return Postage Required" Richard Gale, Philosophy
(none, mail not returned) Jerome Cochran, Vice-Chancellor

Jeff Rubard

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Oct 28, 2003, 5:36:35 AM10/28/03
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Additional, second guy forgot the part about being *from* New York,
even very far away. (Didn't ever know nothin' else, really.) Not
much of much, but isn't that always enough?

Jeff Rubard

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Oct 30, 2003, 2:42:23 PM10/30/03
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Plus, they shoot hearses, if you know I mean.

Jeff Rubard

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Nov 6, 2003, 9:46:44 AM11/6/03
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Guys, if you're reading this, you probably should try not to talk
about the suspicious cancer deaths (Vladimir Padenov and Joe White are
liable to make you look bad). But if it seems like I've "gone off the
deep end" again, you're still civil enough for my tastes -- I don't
even want to think about what Jimenez would do (he liked to make fun
of sectarians intended and actual, y'know, tell jokes about them).
And on that score you might want to talk to Marcus Rediker -- try to
get him on a day he's not wearing the pleather coat, and watch the
talk about Southerners.

Jeff Rubard

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Nov 7, 2003, 11:04:36 AM11/7/03
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Furthermore, could anybody here tell me what sentences under RICO
typically amount to? It's for a friend.

Jeff Rubard

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Nov 8, 2003, 11:17:35 PM11/8/03
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And to give you my stake: these guys have been responsible for me
losing tens of thousands of dollars in wages, which has ramifications
at several derives. I'm a writer, and my writing was salable in the
open market before I went to college; I was an aspiring intellectual,
and had a lot of people outside this department interested in me
without even really trying (I had no plans to go to graduate school).
They smeared me, and when it didn't take they smeared me some more
(this was repeated uh, several times over several years, including two
full years out of school; they're very "proactive"). With one
exception (whom I've never spoken to at all), I don't think too much
of any of them and didn't at the time; they're just *massively*
conceited. In fact, I can't even imagine any bounds on that.

Jeff Rubard

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Nov 9, 2003, 2:15:13 PM11/9/03
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And yes, there is indeed even more "dirt"; but in my defense, when the
woman I thought was sick but didn't know was sick died, and Pitt
sicced their cops on me a couple weeks later because nobody felt like
talking anymore, I contacted the Pittsburgh police. Further
communications coming from where I live in Oregon were supposed to
prompt criminal charges from Pittcops, but that was in May and my
whereabouts remain no secret. And there's even more than that, but
someone (including near and dears) needs to say something, not in code
and not to me. That's not what I need to hear; in fact, I'd suggest
department chairman Stephen Engstrom, a thoroughly moral man. I'm not
really mad at the world, but Pitt's not it and they need to mind their
bit.

Jeff Rubard

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Nov 23, 2003, 6:23:01 PM11/23/03
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But whatever you do (and this is a piece of general advice), don't let
WPIC sell you a bill of "goods". There are good psychiatrists, but
they don't exist in the vicinity of funded research which requires
people to have exciting problems; and UPMC is never outside the domain
of funded research, if you know what I mean.

Jeff Rubard

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Nov 24, 2003, 3:44:07 PM11/24/03
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And for anyone who's reading this and thinking "Well, you don't seem
to have any problems with Pitt we don't have", well: I remember Iron
City and something about sandwiches, but I swear those guys are on the
cutting edge.

Jeff Rubard

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Dec 5, 2003, 9:35:20 PM12/5/03
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But just to dilate on Pitt not being it: I'm still over here in the
Portland (OR) metro area, and we remember Starry Night as the
nightclub, which employed a Reed student who got murdered by the owner
as part of a ticket-forging scam. (Took years and years to reveal,
but the local underground-newspaper guy was real hot for the story and
rode that son of a bitch into the ground.) So maybe not everybody
understands everything everywhere, you know?

Jeff Rubard

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Jan 7, 2004, 11:29:13 PM1/7/04
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But formerly interested parties should probably disregard all this,
since Robert Brandom's now got a couple hundred K from the Mellon
Foundation and (gasp!) a sketch for a critical reading of Hegel (but I'm
guessing this one's not derived from Daumier).

Jeff Rubard

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Jan 10, 2004, 9:27:25 PM1/10/04
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>
> But formerly interested parties should probably disregard all this,
> since Robert Brandom's now got a couple hundred K from the Mellon
> Foundation and (gasp!) a sketch for a critical reading of Hegel (but I'm
> guessing this one's not derived from Daumier).

However, if anyone wants to hire me (outside the 'Burgh, even) here's
what I can currently do which would merit less than a training session.
I'll write anything I can put my name on -- manuals, "white papers",
co-ordinating emails, and I'll write those things in an expository style
which will be clear and accessible by *anyone's* standard: I've been
doing this for a while (since before I lived in Pittsburgh). If I am to
write something that pleases myself, I write "philo-logical" essays:
academic-standard thinkpieces blending formal logic and literary/social
theory (classic and contemporary in both cases) *without the
intervention of classical metaphysics*: it's quite different from
analytic philosophy as it is practiced today. Also "incidental pieces"
on US culture of the industrial era, roughly "from 1876 to 1976"
(politics and socially influential literature, art, and music).

Also "ultra-incidental" translations of classic European and
Latin-American writers, into an acceptably Mid-Atlantic English based on
correspondences researched and posited between the lexica involved. But
really, it's not a question of anyone doing this better: it's a question
of social reality, and the answer is I'll teach anybody old enough to be
tried as an adult anything except the various physical sciences (though
they are not unknown to me), in English or the pidgin of your choice.
Do I have problems? I have problems aplenty, but they don't need to be
yours: and although I've been known to "redd up" a room or two and I do,
too, I've never been accused of conspiring against higher powers (and
that's even kind of difficult in the US) and I've never been accused of
throwing a punch, which is some math you might want to do.

Or not: these guys never cared for me too much, and if you agree with
Nuel Belnap that the *Blackwell Guide To Philosophical Logic* is the
perfect guide for someone who knows a little philosophy and a little
logic rather than minutiae about Old Social Movements, I know how to do
all kinds of stuff they paid for a little while ago over here in Oregon.
But if you've done some math here (been *known* to happen), you might
be wondering whether Lou Goble at Willamette gets everything his own way
(including things he deserves to have his own way) and whether he
necessarily keeps his trap shut, or just keeps the talk elevated. As
for me, that's the way I like to be and I keep my expectations low as a
perfectly acceptable result: I expect no more money than your worst paid
docent, less actually as for some time I have had no intention of
re-enrolling as a student at an institution of higher learning.

Either way, east is east and west is west, or something. Inquiries can
be directed to jru...@fusemail.com.

Jeff Rubard

Jeff Rubard

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Jan 10, 2004, 10:21:40 PM1/10/04
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> Either way, east is east and west is west, or something. Inquiries can
> be directed to jru...@fusemail.com.
>
> Jeff Rubard

The address is actually jeffr...@fusemail.com, which I'm really
comfortable enough with, but I should add that my policy is that I
should never have to call anybody by their first name at work (though
exceptions are gladly admitted) and not have to perform any tasks which
would require use of another's surname (i.e., be "responsible" for the
occupational success or failure of other workers). In other words, give
me my "inch" and I'm a little old-fashioned and "pragmatic" about
workplace interaction; given an "ell" I'll go take that fork in the road.

Jeff Rubard

Jeff Rubard

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Jan 13, 2004, 10:25:30 PM1/13/04
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And if you're reading this, Bob, the gist of your problem is that Dick
Rorty wrote some inference tickets an ash couldn't catch *in the late
90s*: you and co. never really had the get-up to bother me. So let's
agree that disagreement is okay, for your sake, or something.

Jeff Rubard

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Jan 14, 2004, 3:05:50 PM1/14/04
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But if you're ready to move beyond fastbacking, I hope you enjoy that
swag: I got another used copy of *Lenin and Philosophy*, and I'll work
on Sun Ra (one's evidently not supposed to read Carl Schmitt anymore,
I guess he's too left-wing).

Jeffrey Rubard

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Dec 11, 2021, 12:33:44 PM12/11/21
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DATELINE 2021: I can hardly remember I went to Pitt anymore, and it's actually kind of an "isn't this ironic" version. Hang in there, kitty.
On the other hand, I'm still "tasked" to thinking "Does the T's Northside extension make it a proper system or not?"
Alma mater indeed, I guess.

Jeffrey Rubard

Michael Trew

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Dec 12, 2021, 9:15:47 PM12/12/21
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I'll be damned. I didn't know any local Pittsburgh people still posted
here.

Jeffrey Rubard

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Dec 16, 2021, 2:42:28 AM12/16/21
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I'm not really a local Pittsburgh person; I'm a "Portland yinzer", like that was a thing to be (gourmet hamburgers with gold lame in them, that kind of thing these days). But I did go to Pittsburgh ages ago at the end of the 20th century and got a bachelor's degree there.

Michael Trew

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Dec 17, 2021, 9:10:46 PM12/17/21
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Ah, I see. Well, I was surprised to see a Pittsburgh-related post, none
the less.

Jeffrey Rubard

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Dec 18, 2021, 1:12:21 AM12/18/21
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Sure. You know, the thing is that living in Pittsburgh "au fond" (even as one of the students Pittsburgh was ever *least* fond of) makes you something like "contractually committed" to rep the city, even if you have seen more Terrible Towels by far. And, as someone "taken in" by the mystique of the Portland I only lived *near*, this seemed like "a rip" when in reality it is merely somewhat unfortunate and ambiguous, like all urbanity.

Mod Rocker: In an era where "desirable" cities might as well be on another planet, Pittsburgh serves a really interesting niche. Roughly, "fancy" Pittsburgh -- which is what actual Pittsburghers know it mostly really is -- is something like "New York without the subway", both in terms of the *Bauplan* of a life there and the amenities available to residents. Do everything the Fortune 500 wants you to? Check. "Top shelf" meals, cultural institutions like art galleries and bookstores, "civic traditions" like Schenley Park etc? Check. So in this it resembles a faintly mythical thing, "virtuous, working-class" New York (usually secretly called "residential" by those in the know and actually limited to those whose middle-class origins or commitments are "ironclad" and lust for Smithian honor, that thing you've heard of, is boundless).

Jeffrey Rubard

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Dec 18, 2021, 10:55:59 AM12/18/21
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Pretty much, really (including that you should give up on "Broad City", even as relatives of Ilana and "Abbi").

Jeffrey Rubard

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Dec 19, 2021, 1:30:04 AM12/19/21
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As I. and "A." communicate, they're usually pretty difficult about these comparisons.
Ready to learn there's a 'generic' counterpart to the Primanti Bros sandwich?
I wouldn't be, so you might 'keep it under your hat'.

Jeff Rubard

Michael Trew

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Dec 19, 2021, 8:13:43 PM12/19/21
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Heh... I actually live in Ohio, but I commute to Pittsburgh. A local
restaurant in my town made "Primanti's style sandwiches"... hate to say,
but they tasted the same, at a fraction of the cost.

Michael Trew

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Dec 19, 2021, 8:16:21 PM12/19/21
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On 12/18/2021 1:12, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Friday, December 17, 2021 at 6:10:46 PM UTC-8, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 12/16/2021 2:42, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 6:15:47 PM UTC-8, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> On 12/11/2021 12:33, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 12:05:50 PM UTC-8, Jeff Rubard wrote:
>>>>>> But if you're ready to move beyond fastbacking, I hope you enjoy that
>>>>>> swag: I got another used copy of *Lenin and Philosophy*, and I'll work
>>>>>> on Sun Ra (one's evidently not supposed to read Carl Schmitt anymore,
>>>>>> I guess he's too left-wing).
>>>>>
>>>>> DATELINE 2021: I can hardly remember I went to Pitt anymore, and it's actually kind of an "isn't this ironic" version. Hang in there, kitty.
>>>>> On the other hand, I'm still "tasked" to thinking "Does the T's Northside extension make it a proper system or not?"
>>>>> Alma mater indeed, I guess.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeffrey Rubard
>>>> I'll be damned. I didn't know any local Pittsburgh people still posted
>>>> here.
>>>
>>> I'm not really a local Pittsburgh person; I'm a "Portland yinzer", like that was a thing to be (gourmet hamburgers with gold lame in them, that kind of thing these days). But I did go to Pittsburgh ages ago at the end of the 20th century and got a bachelor's degree there.
>> Ah, I see. Well, I was surprised to see a Pittsburgh-related post, none
>> the less.
>
> Sure. You know, the thing is that living in Pittsburgh "au fond" (even as one of the students Pittsburgh was ever *least* fond of) makes you something like "contractually committed" to rep the city, even if you have seen more Terrible Towels by far. And, as someone "taken in" by the mystique of the Portland I only lived *near*, this seemed like "a rip" when in reality it is merely somewhat unfortunate and ambiguous, like all urbanity.

I'd much rather be associated with Pittsburgh than the Cleveland... ick, lol

> Mod Rocker: In an era where "desirable" cities might as well be on another planet, Pittsburgh serves a really interesting niche. Roughly, "fancy" Pittsburgh -- which is what actual Pittsburghers know it mostly really is -- is something like "New York without the subway", both in terms of the *Bauplan* of a life there and the amenities available to residents. Do everything the Fortune 500 wants you to? Check. "Top shelf" meals, cultural institutions like art galleries and bookstores, "civic traditions" like Schenley Park etc? Check. So in this it resembles a faintly mythical thing, "virtuous, working-class" New York (usually secretly called "residential" by those in the know and actually limited to those whose middle-class origins or commitments are "ironclad" and lust for Smithian honor, that thing you've heard of, is boundless).

Do you see Pittsburgh bars out your way? I've even seen them in Florida
before when traveling... it always surprises me.

Jeffrey Rubard

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Dec 21, 2021, 12:04:47 PM12/21/21
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Yeah, I know about that thousands of miles away.
It's only in Pittsburgh and Youngstown area that they have them, though.
The panini machine would explode elsewhere. (Really. It works like that.)

Jeffrey Rubard

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Dec 21, 2021, 12:06:01 PM12/21/21
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On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 5:16:21 PM UTC-8, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 12/18/2021 1:12, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > On Friday, December 17, 2021 at 6:10:46 PM UTC-8, Michael Trew wrote:
> >> On 12/16/2021 2:42, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 6:15:47 PM UTC-8, Michael Trew wrote:
> >>>> On 12/11/2021 12:33, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 12:05:50 PM UTC-8, Jeff Rubard wrote:
> >>>>>> But if you're ready to move beyond fastbacking, I hope you enjoy that
> >>>>>> swag: I got another used copy of *Lenin and Philosophy*, and I'll work
> >>>>>> on Sun Ra (one's evidently not supposed to read Carl Schmitt anymore,
> >>>>>> I guess he's too left-wing).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> DATELINE 2021: I can hardly remember I went to Pitt anymore, and it's actually kind of an "isn't this ironic" version. Hang in there, kitty.
> >>>>> On the other hand, I'm still "tasked" to thinking "Does the T's Northside extension make it a proper system or not?"
> >>>>> Alma mater indeed, I guess.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jeffrey Rubard
> >>>> I'll be damned. I didn't know any local Pittsburgh people still posted
> >>>> here.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not really a local Pittsburgh person; I'm a "Portland yinzer", like that was a thing to be (gourmet hamburgers with gold lame in them, that kind of thing these days). But I did go to Pittsburgh ages ago at the end of the 20th century and got a bachelor's degree there.
> >> Ah, I see. Well, I was surprised to see a Pittsburgh-related post, none
> >> the less.
> >
> > Sure. You know, the thing is that living in Pittsburgh "au fond" (even as one of the students Pittsburgh was ever *least* fond of) makes you something like "contractually committed" to rep the city, even if you have seen more Terrible Towels by far. And, as someone "taken in" by the mystique of the Portland I only lived *near*, this seemed like "a rip" when in reality it is merely somewhat unfortunate and ambiguous, like all urbanity.
> I'd much rather be associated with Pittsburgh than the Cleveland... ick, lol

Not fond of fashion, I take it?

> > Mod Rocker: In an era where "desirable" cities might as well be on another planet, Pittsburgh serves a really interesting niche. Roughly, "fancy" Pittsburgh -- which is what actual Pittsburghers know it mostly really is -- is something like "New York without the subway", both in terms of the *Bauplan* of a life there and the amenities available to residents. Do everything the Fortune 500 wants you to? Check. "Top shelf" meals, cultural institutions like art galleries and bookstores, "civic traditions" like Schenley Park etc? Check. So in this it resembles a faintly mythical thing, "virtuous, working-class" New York (usually secretly called "residential" by those in the know and actually limited to those whose middle-class origins or commitments are "ironclad" and lust for Smithian honor, that thing you've heard of, is boundless).
> Do you see Pittsburgh bars out your way? I've even seen them in Florida
> before when traveling... it always surprises me.

Yeah, Steelers Nation is most nation. (Big thing though: Steelers merch is *never monochrome*. That's something else you don't want to trifle with.)

Jeffrey Rubard

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Dec 23, 2021, 4:49:10 PM12/23/21
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On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 9:06:01 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 5:16:21 PM UTC-8, Michael Trew wrote:
> > On 12/18/2021 1:12, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > On Friday, December 17, 2021 at 6:10:46 PM UTC-8, Michael Trew wrote:
> > >> On 12/16/2021 2:42, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > >>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 6:15:47 PM UTC-8, Michael Trew wrote:
> > >>>> On 12/11/2021 12:33, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > >>>>> On Wednesday, January 14, 2004 at 12:05:50 PM UTC-8, Jeff Rubard wrote:
> > >>>>>> But if you're ready to move beyond fastbacking, I hope you enjoy that
> > >>>>>> swag: I got another used copy of *Lenin and Philosophy*, and I'll work
> > >>>>>> on Sun Ra (one's evidently not supposed to read Carl Schmitt anymore,
> > >>>>>> I guess he's too left-wing).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> DATELINE 2021: I can hardly remember I went to Pitt anymore, and it's actually kind of an "isn't this ironic" version. Hang in there, kitty.
> > >>>>> On the other hand, I'm still "tasked" to thinking "Does the T's Northside extension make it a proper system or not?"
> > >>>>> Alma mater indeed, I guess.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Jeffrey Rubard
> > >>>> I'll be damned. I didn't know any local Pittsburgh people still posted
> > >>>> here.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm not really a local Pittsburgh person; I'm a "Portland yinzer", like that was a thing to be (gourmet hamburgers with gold lame in them, that kind of thing these days). But I did go to Pittsburgh ages ago at the end of the 20th century and got a bachelor's degree there.
> > >> Ah, I see. Well, I was surprised to see a Pittsburgh-related post, none
> > >> the less.
> > >
> > > Sure. You know, the thing is that living in Pittsburgh "au fond" (even as one of the students Pittsburgh was ever *least* fond of) makes you something like "contractually committed" to rep the city, even if you have seen more Terrible Towels by far. And, as someone "taken in" by the mystique of the Portland I only lived *near*, this seemed like "a rip" when in reality it is merely somewhat unfortunate and ambiguous, like all urbanity.
> > I'd much rather be associated with Pittsburgh than the Cleveland... ick, lol
> Not fond of fashion, I take it?

EXPLANATION: Cleveland is kind of cool, and also kind of seriously "Francophile" in its social orientation.

Michael Trew

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Dec 24, 2021, 2:33:16 AM12/24/21
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On 12/23/2021 16:49, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 9:06:01 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 5:16:21 PM UTC-8, Michael Trew wrote:
>>> On 12/18/2021 1:12, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
>>>> On Friday, December 17, 2021 at 6:10:46 PM UTC-8, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>> On 12/16/2021 2:42, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not really a local Pittsburgh person; I'm a "Portland yinzer", like that was a thing to be (gourmet hamburgers with gold lame in them, that kind of thing these days). But I did go to Pittsburgh ages ago at the end of the 20th century and got a bachelor's degree there.
>>>>> Ah, I see. Well, I was surprised to see a Pittsburgh-related post, none
>>>>> the less.
>>>>
>>>> Sure. You know, the thing is that living in Pittsburgh "au fond" (even as one of the students Pittsburgh was ever *least* fond of) makes you something like "contractually committed" to rep the city, even if you have seen more Terrible Towels by far. And, as someone "taken in" by the mystique of the Portland I only lived *near*, this seemed like "a rip" when in reality it is merely somewhat unfortunate and ambiguous, like all urbanity.
>>> I'd much rather be associated with Pittsburgh than the Cleveland... ick, lol
>> Not fond of fashion, I take it?
>
> EXPLANATION: Cleveland is kind of cool, and also kind of seriously "Francophile" in its social orientation.

Of that I couldn't say, I've only been there once. I'm not sure how to
explain it, but there's a certain "cool" factor that Pittsburgh has that
Cleveland just doesn't. Most people cringe when they think of Cleveland
Ohio. ...Or the greater Youngstown region (which I live in) in general.

Cleveland tourism video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY

Second one is even better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM

At least we're not Detroit!

Jeffrey Rubard

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Dec 24, 2021, 3:21:59 AM12/24/21
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Pittsburgh is 'pinstripe' in a way Cleveland isn't, and of course is the educational center that Case and Akron State don't make for. However, Pittsburgh also doesn't have anything to answer to Pere Ubu, the Dead Boys, Devo, 15-60-75 or the like, and it's mostly 'written into your contract' as an area resident that you have to say positive things about it.

Jeffrey Rubard

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Dec 24, 2021, 10:46:07 AM12/24/21
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Let's say CTA vs. "The T" is not a fair fight, either.

Jeffrey Rubard

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Dec 25, 2021, 4:24:36 AM12/25/21
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(Thinking of you. No, take a break.)

Michael Trew

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Dec 27, 2021, 1:18:56 PM12/27/21
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CTA? Cleveland transportation authority?

Jeffrey Rubard

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Dec 28, 2021, 1:41:52 AM12/28/21
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That was the one I meant, not Chicago.
America's first light rail (before MAX, and didn't we know it).

Jeffrey Rubard

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Dec 31, 2021, 5:52:19 PM12/31/21
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2021 Update: Shondells vs. Pere Ubu is *not* a fair comparison, and you know why I say that.

Jeffrey Rubard

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Jan 1, 2022, 8:28:14 PM1/1/22
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...and Rolling Rock is just *a* beer. (I know you 'in-towners' don't hardly drink it, even.)

Jeffrey Rubard

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Jan 2, 2022, 2:29:17 AM1/2/22
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2021 Update: How is Pitt these days, anyway?

Michael Trew

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Jan 2, 2022, 8:14:57 PM1/2/22
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> ....and Rolling Rock is just *a* beer. (I know you 'in-towners' don't hardly drink it, even.)

Seems to be popular with the college age kids... my father is in his mid
50's, and he would occasionally stock some, perhaps as a left over from
his college days. I don't drink.

Michael Trew

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Jan 2, 2022, 8:17:05 PM1/2/22
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It's 2022 here now!!

It seems to be picking up. How long did you say it was since you were
last here? It was slumping for years after the decline of the mills,
but many areas have become up and coming. The south side has all of the
"young hipsters". Property on the SS slopes and Mt Washington used to
be worthless, but it's all risen in value. Some of it has become
million+ dollar property.

Jeffrey Rubard

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Jan 3, 2022, 11:54:12 AM1/3/22
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I would drink more Yuengling or Iron City as a student; Rolling Rock is a "trend without end",
that is to say a thing whose recommendation is far stronger than that which can be recommended
about it.

Jeffrey Rubard

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Jan 3, 2022, 11:57:41 AM1/3/22
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Well, that's like "about par" for a West Coast city (as are many other extremely
unfortunate phenomena -- where is "cheap and friendly" America?) I loved the
South Side, and I bet it's changed a bunch since I was there; I used to ride the
incline railroad up to Mt. Washington "for kicks" and buy fancy cigarettes at
Station Square because "I needed this".

Michael Trew

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Jan 4, 2022, 11:40:56 PM1/4/22
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There are still two inclines operating. Many years before I was born,
there were quite a few of them. Poor folks lived up there, and came
down the hill for work. Now, with alternate transportation methods, and
an amazing view, I think developers have seen a golden opportunity up
there.

The first time that I rode one of the inclines (Duquesne incline?), I
was riding around the city with my step great grandfather. He asked me
if I wanted to try it, and I said "sure"! I was like 13... handed me a
few bucks or whatever it cost, dropped me off, and said "meet you at the
top". I was not a "city slicker", and was a bit confused... I figured
it out, and made my way up. Ought to try it again.

While on the subject of South Side, did you ever stop at the Pretzel
shop on Carson st? It's been there for years, good stuff!! I buy a
dozen fresh baked pretzels whenever I'm down that way, and freeze them
at home.

Michael Trew

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Jan 16, 2022, 5:28:40 PM1/16/22
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On 1/3/2022 11:57, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
Not sure about your region, but a huge snow storm coming in here...
everything is covered in less than an hour, from nothing before. BRR!
Hunkered down here until at least Monday afternoon... it's supposed to
snow all night, 6-9+ inches. Might not go anywhere until Tuesday.

Jeffrey Rubard

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Jan 21, 2022, 5:25:43 PM1/21/22
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Is that what she said?
It didn't snow much in N. Oregon (interestingly, even compared to S. Oregon)
when I was a kid and now it snows some. Not like the 'Burgh.

Michael Trew

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Jan 22, 2022, 9:14:14 PM1/22/22
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Haha..

We got it even worse -- drifts of a foot in some area. I was stuck here
for 2 days digging out. Had to shovel most of the road myself. It's
been a few years since we got a snowstorm like this.

Jealous of that region. I heard they don't use nasty road salt out west
either.

Jeffrey Rubard

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Jan 22, 2022, 9:46:13 PM1/22/22
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No you're not. Pittsburgh homeownership is a million times easier and,
like they say (they do say this?), "when you're set you're set". Would
have a negative meaning here; also, they *don't* say it.

Michael Trew

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Jan 24, 2022, 1:06:54 AM1/24/22
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True, I've heard there is quite a housing crisis on the west coast. If
I could move anywhere, it would be south and warm. I'm not digging the
3-4 inches of snow that we got throughout the past day... 10 inches a
week ago. Otherwise, we are blessed in the greater Pittsburgh region
that there really aren't any natural disasters. No tornadoes,
hurricanes, earth quakes, etc.

Jeffrey Rubard

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Jan 25, 2022, 6:18:26 PM1/25/22
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Yeah, earthquakes are a bigger deal than you realize: they don't even
have to be that powerful to "ruin everything" for some value of "everything".
Typically some area of the US is "way affordable" to entice people to go
there, and I guess it's the Midwest today.

Michael Trew

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Jan 29, 2022, 1:42:52 PM1/29/22
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I'm surprised that the older "painted lady" Victorian homes in San
Francisco, and even the mid century "Dingbats" in LA have held up to
earthquakes for all of these years.

> Typically some area of the US is "way affordable" to entice people to go
> there, and I guess it's the Midwest today.

That seems to be so. West Virginia, not far from me (I live minutes
from the tip of the WV pan handle) announced last year that they are
doing away with income tax to entice new residents to move there. In
comparison, Pittsburgh is a rather affordable place to live also, on the
national scale.

Jeffrey Rubard

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Jan 29, 2022, 7:15:57 PM1/29/22
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Yeah, well, they knew what they were doing: the old California was a place
of much evil and much vision. (Your vision of a massified "mediocre"
experience of life is much newer and due to virtual geniuses.) Modern-day
CA, though, has at least economically seceded from the US: normal
Americans, even up-and-coming ones, simply could not afford to live there.

> > Typically some area of the US is "way affordable" to entice people to go
> > there, and I guess it's the Midwest today.
> That seems to be so. West Virginia, not far from me (I live minutes
> from the tip of the WV pan handle) announced last year that they are
> doing away with income tax to entice new residents to move there. In
> comparison, Pittsburgh is a rather affordable place to live also, on the
> national scale.

Right, it's one of those things that happens on a "long scale" such that
hurlyburly dynamics ignore it: why, even Detroit has been putting in a
bid for "grimy livability" as an area. (Oh, that? Apparently we have that
a lot everywhere now.) Much like the Iron City's strengths, which
quietly live through every generation of "enthusiast".

Michael Trew

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Feb 25, 2022, 1:46:59 AM2/25/22
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Well, prices have to drop eventually, when they price everyone out, and
their economy tanks.

What goes up, must come down... now that song will be stuck in my head
for a while. ...spinning wheel; got to go 'round...

>>> Typically some area of the US is "way affordable" to entice people to go
>>> there, and I guess it's the Midwest today.
>> That seems to be so. West Virginia, not far from me (I live minutes
>> from the tip of the WV pan handle) announced last year that they are
>> doing away with income tax to entice new residents to move there. In
>> comparison, Pittsburgh is a rather affordable place to live also, on the
>> national scale.
>
> Right, it's one of those things that happens on a "long scale" such that
> hurlyburly dynamics ignore it: why, even Detroit has been putting in a
> bid for "grimy livability" as an area. (Oh, that? Apparently we have that
> a lot everywhere now.) Much like the Iron City's strengths, which
> quietly live through every generation of "enthusiast".

Not quite Pittsburgh, but Cleveland: "At least we're not Detroit!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM
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