Obamacrat Government Run Medical Care vs Godly and Righteous Medical Care
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Obamacrat Government Run Medical Care vs Godly and Righteous Medical
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By L Tyler 11/16/09
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The evidence given below shows that the medical care of your parents,
the medical care of your disabled and/or handicapped friends and
relatives and perhaps even your own medical care and the medical care
of your loved ones will be decided by "the National Coordinator of
Health Information Technology," who was empowered by the already
passed law in the 2009 Stimulus Bill, as soon as the government gets
control of all medical care and insurance in America today, as
proposed by the Obamacrats, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. The elderly,
disabled and handicapped are the biggest losers under Obamacare.
See the contrast between Obamacrat medical care for the elderly and
Jesus plan for the medical care of the elderly at the end of this
post.
The "Death Panel" or "Death Committee" who decides who receives life
saving medical attention has already been established by the already
approved 2009 Stimulus Bill. All it needs is for the government to
take control of all medical insurance in America, and then government
bureaucrats will have the right and power to legally decided who gets
life saving medical attention and who doesn't. Read Doctor David
Janda M.D.'s report here.
"The first part of Obama’s Plan, already passed into law in the
stimulus bill, dictates that doctors and hospitals will be overseen
and reviewed by the National Coordinator of Health Information
Technology. This 'Coordinator,' an anointed bureaucrat, will 'guide
medical decisions at the time and place of care,' and will be
responsible for monitoring treatments to make sure doctors and
hospitals are strictly following the government’s pre-determined
mandates (Stimulus Bill, p. 116; see also pp. 442, 446). This sounds
suspiciously like practicing medicine without a license, a crime in
almost every state. . . ."
"The stimulus bill goes on to say that hospitals and doctors that are
NOT 'meaningful users' of the new electronic systems will face
penalties. The Secretary of Health and Human Services will be
empowered to impose 'more stringent measures of meaningful use over
time.' (Stimulus Bill pp. 366, 478, 511, 518, 540, 541.) According to
those in Congress, penalties could include large six figure financial
fines and possible imprisonment for NOT following government
protocols. It is one way to fund the new system, but a self-defeating
one. According to the Obama Plan, if your doctor saves your life but
breaks government protocol, you might have to go to the prison to see
your doctor for follow-up! It is therefore NOT surprising that a
recent Investor’s Business Daily Survey revealed 45% of physicians
currently in practice reported they would leave the field of medicine
it this legislation is implemented. This potential reduction in health
care providers does not bode well for the ability of Obama’s Plan to
make health care available to everyone, or at least everyone the
government deems 'worthy. . . ."
"If that is NOT enough, there is the final penalty, DEATH. The core
and the heart of The Obama, Pelosi, Reid and Democrat majority Plan is
to cut costs by one of the more inhumane and unethical means, denying
and rationing care. This method of rationing and denying care in other
countries has lead to premature deaths. In a Supreme Court of Canada
decision in Chaoulli v. Quebec in June of 2005, the Chief Justice and
Justice Major noted that the evidence adduced in the lower courts
established beyond doubt that many Quebec residents face significant
delays in obtaining treatment in the public health care system
resulting in adverse physical and psychological consequences:
'“Access to a waiting list is not access to health care….[T]here is
unchallenged evidence that in some serious cases, patients die as a
result of waiting lists for public health care. Where lack of timely
health care can result in death, Section 7 protection of life itself
is engaged.”'
"The rationing of care in the Two Part Obama Health Care Plan is
implemented through a Council, equivalent to the National Health Care
Board in the British Health Care System. The name given to this panel
is The Federal Coordinating Council For Comparative Effectiveness
Research ('Federal Council'). (Section 9201 H.R. 1 Version of the
Stimulus Bill.)
"President Obama has already appointed the fifteen-member Federal
Council. According to the Stimulus Bill, p. 152, all members of the
Council must be 'senior federal officers or employees.' Thus, medical
treatment will be dispensed by a group of bureaucrats from their ivory
towers, not by the hands-on practitioners in the presence of the
patients. The council was funded with $1.1 BILLION from the stimulus
bill."
FROM http://exposingliberallies.blogspot.com/2009/11/dr-david-janda-obamacare-violates.html
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From Doctor David Janda M.D. at http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/01/obamacare-vs-the-hippocratic-oath/
"The sad fact is that the Obama-Pelosi-Reid Administration’s 1990
page health care reform bill (HR3962) and supplement(HR3961) violate
The [Hippocratic] Oath by stripping freedom from every person, family
and business in Our country . This 19 ½ pound pair of documents,
entitled ”Affordable Health Care For Americans Act,” will cost
taxpayers over $1.2 Trillion, will institute 13 tax increases totaling
$740 Billion, will increase Medicare Premiums to Seniors by $70
Billion, will cost shift $34 Billion to State budgets, and will cut
Medicare benefits to Seniors by $426 Billion over ten years. . . .
"This version gives THE RATIONING BOARD [caps mine], already
established through The Stimulus Bill ("The Federal Coordinating
Council For Comparative Effectiveness Research"), additional funding
TO ESTABLISH A "CENTER" TO INSTITUTE THE RATIONING OF CARE. [caps
mine] Rationing is the heart and soul of this legislation. Rationing,
as a method of “cost cutting,” is the most inhumane and unethical
means of health care cost containment. By definition, these
bureaucrats will overrule [your own] licensed doctors, and preside
over the denial of [your own] health care.
"This Bill also creates a government regulated insurance “Exchange,”
which will include a government subsidized and run insurance company,
funded by The Treasury Department for start up costs of $2 Billion of
tax payer money. This “Exchange” will be overseen by a Federal
bureaucrat given the title: “The Health Choices Commissioner.” The
“Commissioner” will establish benefit standards for ALL members of the
“Exchange,” not just the government-run company. In other words, this
Government CEO-equivalent will set the rules for all private companies
who are “in competition” with the Federal Government. How fair is
that? Sorry, I should have realized. This is NOT about fair. It is
about CONTROL. Too much government control is a recipe for disaster.
"The most glaring difference between the Obama-Pelosi-Reid health care
bill from July and this “new” version is the elimination of a very
important sentence from the previous bill. The July Bill (HR 3200)
provided for The Health Benefits Advisory Committee whose role is to
make recommendations on minimum benefit standards and cost sharing
standards. The July Bill charged this Committee with the mandate to
“ensure that essential benefits coverage does NOT lead to rationing of
health care.” The current Bill establishes the same Committee but
ELIMINATES the prohibition on rationing care.
"It is obvious. The “New” Obama-Pelosi-Reid Health Care Bill’s heart
and soul is based on (1) rationing and denying care to cut costs, and
(2) taxing every American in its path. The end result strips Freedom
from every citizen. Then again, what would you expect from a document
that uses the words “require” 118 times, “tax” 87 times, and “penalty”
113 times."
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Sarah Palin was right about the Death Panels established by the
already approved Law in the 2009 Stimulus Bill
"The Democrats promise that a government health care system will
reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has
pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will
simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they
ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The
America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with
Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so
his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their
"level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health
care. Such a system is downright evil."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/07/palin-obamas-death-panel_n_254399.html
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Repaying Parents, Taking Care of One's Own.
Why It Is Important To Provide Adequate Medical Care For Our Elders.
Copyright © 09/14/'07 (Revised)
This file, in part or in its entirety, may be copied and posted as
long as it is not changed and the author is acknowledged.
By R. Lee Tyler P.O. Box 620763, SanDiego, CA 92162-0763
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Most of us want a long time to enjoy the sex lives with which Jesus
has blessed us. Most of us only think in terms of our physical and
mental health for maintaining and prolonging our sex lives. Jesus made
it plain there is a very specific requirement for His servants who
want to enjoy a long life.
"12 "Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live for a
long time in the land the LORD your God is giving you." GW Ex 20
"2 "Honor your father and mother." This is a very important
commandment with a promise: 3 "so that it may go well for you, be
well with you, and you may have a long life on the earth.""ISV Eh 6
NRSV
A child of God who wants things to go and be well with him/her should
understand the importance of the prerequisite Jesus puts forth for
this blessing, specifically honoring, respecting and revering one's
parents; and more specifically showing them honor,respect and
reverence that would normally bring joy into people's lives. This is
made very clear in Exodus 20:12; Leviticus 19:3; Deut5:16 & Prov
23:25.
The following Scriptures show that a significant part of the command
given to a child (of any age) to "Honor (prize, revere with
deference<5091>) your father and your mother" is to provide gain, help
and benefit to their parents. Jesus made it clear that those who "make
void the Word of God", who "invalidate the Word of God", who "revoke
God's Word", who "set aside the Word of God" are those who make a way
out for children so that they don't have to help, benefit and profit
their parents. Obviously Jesus saw honoring one's parents as including
children helping, benefiting and profiting their parents.
Mark 7:"10 For Moses said, Honor (prize, revere with deference<5091>)
your father and your mother, and, He who curses or reviles or speaks
evil of or abuses or treats improperly his father or mother, let him
surely die. 11 But [as for you] you say, "A man is exempt if he tells
[his] father or [his] mother, 'What you would otherwise have
gained<5623> from me, whatever I have that would help<5623> you,
Whatever benefit<5623> you might have received from me is Corban',
that is, is a gift [already given as an offering to God], 12 Then you
no longer are permitting him to do anything for [his] father or
mother. AB, ESV, HCSB, NASB
Mat 15:5 But you say, "If anyone tells his father or mother, 'What you
would have gained<5623> from me, Whatever I have that would help<5623>
you, Whatever benefit<5623> you might have received from me, [that
is, the money and whatever I have that might be used for helping/
benefitting/profiting you] is already dedicated as a gift to God',
then he is exempt and no longer under obligation to honor and help his
father or his mother. 6 So for the sake of your tradition (the rules
handed down by your forefathers), you have set aside the Word of God
[depriving it of force and authority and making it of no effect].AB,
ESV, HCSB, NASB
Strong's <5091>to prize, i.e. fix a valuation upon; by implication to
revere: — honour, value
<5623> to be useful [to], i.e. to benefit: — advantage, better,
prevail, profit.
The practice of the Christian religion,obeying the commands of Jesus
Christ, involves and includes the following instructions for relating
to one's own parents:
*repaying one's parents,
*taking care of and providing for the needs of one's own household
(those under one's roofs),
*taking care of and providing for the needs of one's own family,
*taking care of and providing for the needs of one's own needy
relatives and
*taking care of and providing for the needs of one's own needy who
have become "one's own" ("his own woman, and each woman have her own
man" 1Cor7:2).
Use your computer finder to go to "[1]" in this document to see the
Scriptures that indicate this. This command does not depend on the
parents' behavior, good or bad. If their behavior was bad, then while
obeying the commands listed above, we need to forgive them and do Gal
6:1; 2 Tim 2:24-26; Luke 6:27-37.
James 4:17 Therefore, anyone who knows what is right but fails to do
it is guilty of sin.
The proof that we know Jesus, that we have been reborn in the Spirit
by Christ through faith (Eph 2:8; Tt 3:5), is our obedience to
Christ,doing the good works He has assigned to us (Eph 2:10; Tt 3:8),
the Spirit producing the Spirit's fruit in us as He works and wills in
us His work and will (Phil 2:13; Heb 13:20,21; Gal 5). If we truly
love Him, yielding ourselves to Him (Rom 6:13-19; 12:1,2) as He
enables us(John 15:1-5), He will work and will in us to be obedient to
Him.
>>>Jn14:15"If you love me, you will keep my commandments. . . . 21Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him." ESV
>>>1 Jn 2: 3And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we continue keeping his commandments. 4 Whoever says "I know him" but does not continue to keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, 5 but whoever continues to keep his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may be sure that we are in him: 6 whoever says he abides in him ought to continue walking in the same way in which he walked. ESV+
The proof that we don't know Him, are not saved by Him,would be our
continuing to disobey Him, keeping on in disobedience to Him and His
Word without chastening (weakness, sickness, death 1 Cor 5:3-5;
11:30-3).
+ 1 John 3:6 No one who continues in union with Him keeps on
practicing and living in sin: no one who keeps on living in sin has
seen Him or knows Him. 7 Dear children, let no one lead you astray.
The man who continues acting righteously, practicing righteousness, is
righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who is habitually practicing
and living in sin is a child of the Devil, . . .. 9 No one who is a
child of God habitually practices and lives in sin. A God-given germ
of life remains in him, and he cannot keep on habitually sinning--
because he is a child of God. 10 By this we can distinguish God's
children and the Devil's children: no one who keep son failing to act
righteously is a child of God, nor he who does not keep on loving his
brother/fellow-man. 1 John 3 WEY+TCNT+DBY
**Heb 12:8* But if you are without chastisement, of which all are
partakers, then you are bastards and not sons [of God].
[1]>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1Tim 5:4,8<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<"[1]"
***1Tim 5:3 Support [a] widows who are genuinely widows. 4But if any
widow has children or grandchildren, they should learn to practice
their religion toward their own family first and TO REPAY THEIR
PARENTS, for this pleases God. . . . 8 Now IF ANYONE DOES NOT PROVIDE
FOR HIS OWN RELATIVES, and ESPECIALLY FOR HIS HOUSEHOLD, he has denied
the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. Holman
***1Tm5: 4 But if a widow has children or grandchildren, let these
learn first to show piety towards their own homes and to prove their
gratitude <287>to their parents; for this is well pleasing in the
sight of God. WEY
Strong's 287 amoibe {am-oy-bay'} from ameibo (to exchange);; n f
1) requital, recompence
***4*but, if a widow has children or grand-children, let them learn
to showproper regard for the members of their own family first, and to
makesome return <287> to their parents; for that is pleasing in
God'ssight. TCNT
***4But if a widow has children or grandchildren,let them first learn
to show godliness to their own household and tomake some return <287>
to their parents, for this is pleasing inthe sight of God. ESV
***4The children or grandchildren of awidow must first learn to
respect their own family by repaying<287> their parents. This is
pleasing in God's sight. GW
***4Butif a widow has children or grandchildren, they must first learn
to respect their own family by repaying <287> their parents, for this
is pleasing in God's sight. ISV
***4If a widow has children or grandchildren, they should first learn
their religious duty to their own family and make some repayment <287>
to their parents; for this is pleasing in God's sight. NRSV
*** 4and if any widow have children or grandchildren, let them learn
first to their own house to show piety, and to give back a recompense
<287> to the parents, for this is right and acceptable before God.
Young's Literal
*** 4If a widow has family members to take care of her, let them learn
that religion begins at their own doorstep and that they should pay
back <287> with gratitude some of what they have received. This
pleases God immensely. Message
================== 1 Tim 5:8 =====================
***1Ti 5:8* Any one who fails to provide <4306> for his own
relations<2398>, and especially for those under his own roof
<3609>,has disowned the Faith, and is worse than an unbeliever. TCNT
***8*But if a man makes no provision <4306> for those dependent on
him<2398>, and especially for his own family <3609>, he has disowned
the faith and is behaving worse than an unbeliever. WEY
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Strong's 2398 idios {id'-ee-os} of uncertain affinity;; adj
1) pertaining to one's self, one's own, belonging to one's self
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Strong's 3609 oikeios {oy-ki'-os} from 3624; TDNT - 5:134,674; adj
1) belonging to a house or family, domestic, intimate
1a) belonging to one's household, related by blood, kindred
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Strong's 4306 pronoeo {pron-o-eh'-o} from 4253 and 3539; TDNT -
4:1009,636; v
1) to perceive before, foresee
2) to provide, think of beforehand
2a) to provide for one
2b) to take thought for, care for a thing
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***8Butif anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially
formembers of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than
anunbeliever. ESV
***8If anyone doesn't take care of his ownrelatives, especially his
immediate family, he has denied the Christianfaith and is worse than
an unbeliever. GW
***8If anyone does nottake care of his own relatives, especially his
immediate family, he hasdenied the faith and is worse than an
unbeliever ISV
***8Andwhoever does not provide for relatives, and especially for
familymembers, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
NRSV
***8Butif a man makes no provision for those dependent on him, and
especiallyfor his own family, he has disowned the faith and is
behaving worsethan an unbeliever. GW
***8and if any one for his own—andespecially for those of the household
—doth not provide, the faith hehath denied, and than an unbeliever he
is worse. Young's Literal
***8Anyonewho neglects to care for family members in need repudiates
the faith.That's worse than refusing to believe in the first place.
Message
Obeying the commands of Jesus Christ, involves and includes the
following:
*repaying one's parents,
*taking care of and providing for the needs of one's own household
(those under one's roofs),
*taking care of and providing for the needs of one's own family,
*taking care of and providing for the needs of one's own needy
relatives and
*takingcare of and providing for the needs of one's own needy who have
become"one's own" ("his own woman, and each woman have her own man"
1Cor7:2).
This command does not depend on the parents' behavior, goodor bad. If
their behavior was bad, then while obeying the commandslisted above,
we need to forgive them and do Gal 6:1; 2 Tim 2:24-26;Luke 6:27-37.
James 4:17Therefore, anyone who knows what is right but fails to do it
is guilty of sin.
RepayinParentsCarin4Family
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WHAT IS A GODLY MEDICAL INSURANCE/COVERAGE PLAN?
***"13 For it is not [intended] that other people be eased and
relieved [of their responsibility] and you be burdened and suffer
[unfairly], 14 But to have equality [share and share alike], your
surplus over necessity at the present time going to meet their want
and to equalize the difference created by it, so that [at some other
time] their surplus in turn may be given to supply your want. Thus
there may be equality, 15 As it is written, He who gathered much had
nothing over, and he who gathered little did not lack." 2 Cor 8 AmpB
This is not a godly Christian country today, since it is so well
described in Romans 1:18-32, but a godly government run medical
insurance program would provide an equality in necessary coverage/
benefits for all its participants, with all paying a proportionate
amount of its cost, all paying the same percentage of their income to
pay for it. America's elected officials, not government bureaucrats,
would determine the percentage of income the American public would
pay. If it took 4% of the taxable income of all Americans to pay for
it, 4% of the billionaire's taxable income and 4% of the "minimum
wage" employee's taxable income, then that would be the equal share of
all for equal coverage. The coverage and benefits determined to be
necessary by medical doctors, and approved by the American Congress
and Senate, would be equally provided for all participants, as much as
the funds available enable. Funds for extraordinary life extending
procedures and equipment for those who can't live without them would
be limited by the amount of funds available. Elective coverage and
benefits would be provided only if funds were available. If elected
officials and the rich wanted more coverage/benefits, they would have
to pay for it out of their own funds.
***"13 For it is not [intended] that other people be eased and
relieved [of their responsibility] and you be burdened and suffer
[unfairly], 14 But to have equality [share and share alike], your
surplus over necessity at the present time going to meet their want
and to equalize the difference created by it, so that [at some other
time] their surplus in turn may be given to supply your want. Thus
there may be equality, 15 As it is written, He who gathered much had
nothing over, and he who gathered little did not lack." 2 Cor 8 AmpB
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From Psalm 83 O God, keep not silence: Hold not Your peace, and be
not still, O God. For, lo, Your enemies make a tumult; And they that
hate You and Your children have proudly lifted up their heads against
Bobby Jindal, Michelle Bachman, Boehner, Star Parker, Dobbs, Malkin,
Coulter, Ingraham, Hannity, Beck, Palin, their loved ones, myself, my
loved ones and all Your people. They take crafty counsel against Your
people, And consult together against Your hidden ones in Christ.
They have said, "Come, and let us cut them off from being a people of
influence; That the name of Jesus Christ may be no more in
remembrance." For they have consulted together with one consent.
Against You and Yours do they make a covenant.
Holy Father I trust You to enlighten every one who comes into the
world (Jn 1:9);
to constrain them by Your Love, Truth, Light and Life in Jesus; to
convict them
of their sin, Your judgment of their sin and Your righteousness that
requires
such judgment of their sins; and that You will draw them to You if at
all possible granting the godly sorrow and repentance to the end that
they acknowledge Jesus as their Lord and King, for I know that You
have no pleasure in the suffering of the wicked and that You prefer
that all be saved in Jesus. So if it be Your will may You do unto - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[1] the haters, bashers, revilers and enemies of Bobby Jindal,
Michelle Bachman, Star Parker, Boehner, Dobbs, Malkin, Coulter,
Ingraham, Hannity, Beck, Palin, their loved ones, myself, my loved
ones and Your other children;
[2] the tyrants, dictators, oppressors of people, abusers of people,
Islamic terrorists, Jihadists, antiChrists, Islamic fascists, the
adherents of
oppressive Sharia law, shedders of innocent blood - especially those
supporting and doing abortions, abusers and slayers of women and
children, the enemies and haters of
religious freedom and freedom of speech;
[3] the leaders and active supporters of the NEA, CTA, ACLU, Job
Corps, SEIU union and ACORN; Somos, Colorado's Gill and their people;
those involved in voter and election fraud; those voting and
campaigning for evil and evil doers;
[4] the communist and socialist oppressors of Your children;
[5] the antiChrist and Bible haters in our public schools like John
Dewey and Horace Mann; haters of the average man having life,
religious liberty and the pursuit of joy, under God;
[6] the revilers of God, cursers of the rulers You have set over the
land, enslavers of others, especially those who enslave others
sexually; liars and spreaders of lies; deceivers, gang members and
leaders, drug dealers and pushers,
- - - - - - - - as You did unto Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon in
his pride, unto those who tried to cast Jesus down the cliff, unto
those who conspired to kill Paul in the way, unto those who wanted to
abuse the angels who visited Lot, and unto Pharaoh's house when he
kept Sarah, unto all who say, "Let us take to ourselves in
possession The habitations of God, the bodies and minds of His
children." O my God, make their evil plans, activities and devices
to be like the whirling dust; As stubble before the wind. As the
fire that burns the forest, And as the flame that sets the mountains
on fire, So pursue them with Your tempest, And terrify them with
Your storm. Fill their faces with confusion, and ineffectiveness, So
that they may know the penalty of sin and seek Your name, O Jehovah.
Cause them to be put to shame and dismayed until they repent of their
evil; Yea, cause them to be confounded and their wicked plans to
perish; That they may know that You alone, whose name is Jehovah,
Are the Most High over all the earth, the One Who determines who will
rule over other people.
Having been made in God's likeness, we shouldn't think that the divine
nature is like gold or silver or stone, or an image fashioned by human
art and imagination. Therefore, having overlooked the times of our
ignorance, Jehovah now commands all people everywhere to
repent, because He has set a day on which He is going to judge the
world in righteousness by the Man, Jesus Christ, who He has
appointed. He has provided proof of this to everyone by raising Jesus
Christ from the dead. Everyone who believes in Jesus Christ may have
eternal life. For Jehovah-God so compassionately loved all people that
He gave His only Son, Jesus born of woman, that whoever believes in
and relies on Him alone to be made right with Jehovah God shall not
perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the
world to condemn people, but to save people through Him. Whoever
believes in Jesus Christ is not condemned, but anyone who does not
believe Him stands condemned already because of failing to believe in
the nature and character of God's only Son, Jesus born of woman.
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The evidence given below shows that the medical care of your parents,
the medical care of your disabled and/or handicapped friends and
relatives and perhaps even your own medical care and the medical care
of your loved ones will be decided by "the National Coordinator of
Health Information Technology," who was empowered by the already
passed law in the 2009 Stimulus Bill, as soon as the government gets
control of all medical care and insurance in America today, as
proposed by the Obamacrats, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. The elderly,
disabled and handicapped are the biggest losers under Obamacare.
See the contrast between Obamacrat medical care for the elderly and
Jesus plan for the medical care of the elderly at the end of this
post.
The "Death Panel" or "Death Committee" who decides who receives life
saving medical attention has already been established by the already
approved 2009 Stimulus Bill. All it needs is for the government to
take control of all medical insurance in America, and then government
bureaucrats will have the right and power to legally decided who gets
life saving medical attention and who doesn't. Read Doctor David
Janda M.D.'s report here.
"The first part of Obama’s Plan, already passed into law in the
stimulus bill, dictates that doctors and hospitals will be overseen
and reviewed by the National Coordinator of Health Information
Technology. This 'Coordinator,' an anointed bureaucrat, will 'guide
medical decisions at the time and place of care,' and will be
responsible for monitoring treatments to make sure doctors and
hospitals are strictly following the government’s pre-determined
mandates (Stimulus Bill, p. 116; see also pp. 442, 446). This sounds
suspiciously like practicing medicine without a license, a crime in
almost every state. . . ."
"The stimulus bill goes on to say that hospitals and doctors that are
NOT 'meaningful users' of the new electronic systems will face
penalties. The Secretary of Health and Human Services will be
empowered to impose 'more stringent measures of meaningful use over
time.' (Stimulus Bill pp. 366, 478, 511, 518, 540, 541.) According to
those in Congress, penalties could include large six figure financial
fines and possible imprisonment for NOT following government
protocols. It is one way to fund the new system, but a self-defeating
one. According to the Obama Plan, if your doctor saves your life but
breaks government protocol, you might have to go to the prison to see
your doctor for follow-up! It is therefore NOT surprising that a
recent Investor’s Business Daily Survey revealed 45% of physicians
currently in practice reported they would leave the field of medicine
it this legislation is implemented. This potential reduction in health
care providers does not bode well for the ability of Obama’s Plan to
make health care available to everyone, or at least everyone the
government deems 'worthy. . . ."
"If that is NOT enough, there is the final penalty, DEATH. The core
and the heart of The Obama, Pelosi, Reid and Democrat majority Plan is
to cut costs by one of the more inhumane and unethical means, denying
and rationing care. This method of rationing and denying care in other
countries has lead to premature deaths. In a Supreme Court of Canada
decision in Chaoulli v. Quebec in June of 2005, the Chief Justice and
Justice Major noted that the evidence adduced in the lower courts
established beyond doubt that many Quebec residents face significant
delays in obtaining treatment in the public health care system
resulting in adverse physical and psychological consequences:
'“Access to a waiting list is not access to health care….[T]here is
unchallenged evidence that in some serious cases, patients die as a
result of waiting lists for public health care. Where lack of timely
health care can result in death, Section 7 protection of life itself
is engaged.”'
"The rationing of care in the Two Part Obama Health Care Plan is
implemented through a Council, equivalent to the National Health Care
Board in the British Health Care System. The name given to this panel
is The Federal Coordinating Council For Comparative Effectiveness
Research ('Federal Council'). (Section 9201 H.R. 1 Version of the
Stimulus Bill.)
"President Obama has already appointed the fifteen-member Federal
Council. According to the Stimulus Bill, p. 152, all members of the
Council must be 'senior federal officers or employees.' Thus, medical
treatment will be dispensed by a group of bureaucrats from their ivory
towers, not by the hands-on practitioners in the presence of the
patients. The council was funded with $1.1 BILLION from the stimulus
bill."
FROM http://exposingliberallies.blogspot.com/2009/11/dr-david-janda-obamacare-violates.html
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From Doctor David Janda M.D. at http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/01/obamacare-vs-the-hippocratic-oath/
"The sad fact is that the Obama-Pelosi-Reid Administration’s 1990
page health care reform bill (HR3962) and supplement(HR3961) violate
The [Hippocratic] Oath by stripping freedom from every person, family
and business in Our country . This 19 ½ pound pair of documents,
entitled ”Affordable Health Care For Americans Act,” will cost
taxpayers over $1.2 Trillion, will institute 13 tax increases totaling
$740 Billion, will increase Medicare Premiums to Seniors by $70
Billion, will cost shift $34 Billion to State budgets, and will cut
Medicare benefits to Seniors by $426 Billion over ten years. . . .
"This version gives THE RATIONING BOARD [caps mine], already
established through The Stimulus Bill ("The Federal Coordinating
Council For Comparative Effectiveness Research"), additional funding
TO ESTABLISH A "CENTER" TO INSTITUTE THE RATIONING OF CARE. [caps
mine] Rationing is the heart and soul of this legislation. Rationing,
as a method of “cost cutting,” is the most inhumane and unethical
means of health care cost containment. By definition, these
bureaucrats will overrule [your own] licensed doctors, and preside
over the denial of [your own] health care.
"This Bill also creates a government regulated insurance “Exchange,”
which will include a government subsidized and run insurance company,
funded by The Treasury Department for start up costs of $2 Billion of
tax payer money. This “Exchange” will be overseen by a Federal
bureaucrat given the title: “The Health Choices Commissioner.” The
“Commissioner” will establish benefit standards for ALL members of the
“Exchange,” not just the government-run company. In other words, this
Government CEO-equivalent will set the rules for all private companies
who are “in competition” with the Federal Government. How fair is
that? Sorry, I should have realized. This is NOT about fair. It is
about CONTROL. Too much government control is a recipe for disaster.
"The most glaring difference between the Obama-Pelosi-Reid health care
bill from July and this “new” version is the elimination of a very
important sentence from the previous bill. The July Bill (HR 3200)
provided for The Health Benefits Advisory Committee whose role is to
make recommendations on minimum benefit standards and cost sharing
standards. The July Bill charged this Committee with the mandate to
“ensure that essential benefits coverage does NOT lead to rationing of
health care.” The current Bill establishes the same Committee but
ELIMINATES the prohibition on rationing care.
"It is obvious. The “New” Obama-Pelosi-Reid Health Care Bill’s heart
and soul is based on (1) rationing and denying care to cut costs, and
(2) taxing every American in its path. The end result strips Freedom
from every citizen. Then again, what would you expect from a document
that uses the words “require” 118 times, “tax” 87 times, and “penalty”
113 times."
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Sarah Palin was right about the Death Panels established by the
already approved Law in the 2009 Stimulus Bill
"The Democrats promise that a government health care system will
reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has
pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will
simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they
ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The
America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with
Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so
his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their
"level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health
care. Such a system is downright evil."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/07/palin-obamas-death-panel_n_254399.html
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Repaying Parents, Taking Care of One's Own.
Why It Is Important To Provide Adequate Medical Care For Our Elders.
Copyright © 09/14/'07 (Revised)
This file, in part or in its entirety, may be copied and posted as
long as it is not changed and the author is acknowledged.
By R. Lee Tyler P.O. Box 620763, SanDiego, CA 92162-0763
oldse...@aol.com; oldse...@gmail.com; oldes...@excite.com
Most of us want a long time to enjoy the sex lives with which Jesus
has blessed us. Most of us only think in terms of our physical and
mental health for maintaining and prolonging our sex lives. Jesus made
it plain there is a very specific requirement for His servants who
want to enjoy a long life.
"12 "Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live for a
long time in the land the LORD your God is giving you." GW Ex 20
"2 "Honor your father and mother." This is a very important
commandment with a promise: 3 "so that it may go well for you, be
well with you, and you may have a long life on the earth.""ISV Eh 6
NRSV
A child of God who wants things to go and be well with him/her should
understand the importance of the prerequisite Jesus puts forth for
this blessing, specifically honoring, respecting and revering one's
parents; and more specifically showing them honor,respect and
reverence that would normally bring joy into people's lives. This is
made very clear in Exodus 20:12; Leviticus 19:3; Deut5:16 & Prov
23:25.
The following Scriptures show that a significant part of the command
given to a child (of any age) to "Honor (prize, revere with
deference<5091>) your father and your mother" is to provide gain, help
and benefit to their parents. Jesus made it clear that those who "make
void the Word of God", who "invalidate the Word of God", who "revoke
God's Word", who "set aside the Word of God" are those who make a way
out for children so that they don't have to help, benefit and profit
their parents. Obviously Jesus saw honoring one's parents as including
children helping, benefiting and profiting their parents.
Mark 7:"10 For Moses said, Honor (prize, revere with deference<5091>)
your father and your mother, and, He who curses or reviles or speaks
evil of or abuses or treats improperly his father or mother, let him
surely die. 11 But [as for you] you say, "A man is exempt if he tells
[his] father or [his] mother, 'What you would otherwise have
gained<5623> from me, whatever I have that would help<5623> you,
Whatever benefit<5623> you might have received from me is Corban',
that is, is a gift [already given as an offering to God], 12 Then you
no longer are permitting him to do anything for [his] father or
mother. AB, ESV, HCSB, NASB
Mat 15:5 But you say, "If anyone tells his father or mother, 'What you
would have gained<5623> from me, Whatever I have that would help<5623>
you, Whatever benefit<5623> you might have received from me, [that
is, the money and whatever I have that might be used for helping/
benefitting/profiting you] is already dedicated as a gift to God',
then he is exempt and no longer under obligation to honor and help his
father or his mother. 6 So for the sake of your tradition (the rules
handed down by your forefathers), you have set aside the Word of God
[depriving it of force and authority and making it of no effect].AB,
ESV, HCSB, NASB
Strong's <5091>to prize, i.e. fix a valuation upon; by implication to
revere: — honour, value
<5623> to be useful [to], i.e. to benefit: — advantage, better,
prevail, profit.
The practice of the Christian religion,obeying the commands of Jesus
Christ, involves and includes the following instructions for relating
to one's own parents:
*repaying one's parents,
*taking care of and providing for the needs of one's own household
(those under one's roofs),
*taking care of and providing for the needs of one's own family,
*taking care of and providing for the needs of one's own needy
relatives and
*taking care of and providing for the needs of one's own needy who
have become "one's own" ("his own woman, and each woman have her own
man" 1Cor7:2).
Use your computer finder to go to "[1]" in this document to see the
Scriptures that indicate this. This command does not depend on the
parents' behavior, good or bad. If their behavior was bad, then while
obeying the commands listed above, we need to forgive them and do Gal
6:1; 2 Tim 2:24-26; Luke 6:27-37.
James 4:17 Therefore, anyone who knows what is right but fails to do
it is guilty of sin.
The proof that we know Jesus, that we have been reborn in the Spirit
by Christ through faith (Eph 2:8; Tt 3:5), is our obedience to
Christ,doing the good works He has assigned to us (Eph 2:10; Tt 3:8),
the Spirit producing the Spirit's fruit in us as He works and wills in
us His work and will (Phil 2:13; Heb 13:20,21; Gal 5). If we truly
love Him, yielding ourselves to Him (Rom 6:13-19; 12:1,2) as He
enables us(John 15:1-5), He will work and will in us to be obedient to
Him.
>>>Jn14:15"If you love me, you will keep my commandments. . . . 21Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him." ESV
>>>1 Jn 2: 3And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we continue keeping his commandments. 4 Whoever says "I know him" but does not continue to keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, 5 but whoever continues to keep his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may be sure that we are in him: 6 whoever says he abides in him ought to continue walking in the same way in which he walked. ESV+
The proof that we don't know Him, are not saved by Him,would be our
continuing to disobey Him, keeping on in disobedience to Him and His
Word without chastening (weakness, sickness, death 1 Cor 5:3-5;
11:30-3).
+ 1 John 3:6 No one who continues in union with Him keeps on
practicing and living in sin: no one who keeps on living in sin has
seen Him or knows Him. 7 Dear children, let no one lead you astray.
The man who continues acting righteously, practicing righteousness, is
righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who is habitually practicing
and living in sin is a child of the Devil, . . .. 9 No one who is a
child of God habitually practices and lives in sin. A God-given germ
of life remains in him, and he cannot keep on habitually sinning--
because he is a child of God. 10 By this we can distinguish God's
children and the Devil's children: no one who keep son failing to act
righteously is a child of God, nor he who does not keep on loving his
brother/fellow-man. 1 John 3 WEY+TCNT+DBY
**Heb 12:8* But if you are without chastisement, of which all are
partakers, then you are bastards and not sons [of God].
[1]>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1Tim 5:4,8<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<"[1]"
***1Tim 5:3 Support [a] widows who are genuinely widows. 4But if any
widow has children or grandchildren, they should learn to practice
their religion toward their own family first and TO REPAY THEIR
PARENTS, for this pleases God. . . . 8 Now IF ANYONE DOES NOT PROVIDE
FOR HIS OWN RELATIVES, and ESPECIALLY FOR HIS HOUSEHOLD, he has denied
the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. Holman
***1Tm5: 4 But if a widow has children or grandchildren, let these
learn first to show piety towards their own homes and to prove their
gratitude <287>to their parents; for this is well pleasing in the
sight of God. WEY
Strong's 287 amoibe {am-oy-bay'} from ameibo (to exchange);; n f
1) requital, recompence
***4*but, if a widow has children or grand-children, let them learn
to showproper regard for the members of their own family first, and to
makesome return <287> to their parents; for that is pleasing in
God'ssight. TCNT
***4But if a widow has children or grandchildren,let them first learn
to show godliness to their own household and tomake some return <287>
to their parents, for this is pleasing inthe sight of God. ESV
***4The children or grandchildren of awidow must first learn to
respect their own family by repaying<287> their parents. This is
pleasing in God's sight. GW
***4Butif a widow has children or grandchildren, they must first learn
to respect their own family by repaying <287> their parents, for this
is pleasing in God's sight. ISV
***4If a widow has children or grandchildren, they should first learn
their religious duty to their own family and make some repayment <287>
to their parents; for this is pleasing in God's sight. NRSV
*** 4and if any widow have children or grandchildren, let them learn
first to their own house to show piety, and to give back a recompense
<287> to the parents, for this is right and acceptable before God.
Young's Literal
*** 4If a widow has family members to take care of her, let them learn
that religion begins at their own doorstep and that they should pay
back <287> with gratitude some of what they have received. This
pleases God immensely. Message
================== 1 Tim 5:8 =====================
***1Ti 5:8* Any one who fails to provide <4306> for his own
relations<2398>, and especially for those under his own roof
<3609>,has disowned the Faith, and is worse than an unbeliever. TCNT
***8*But if a man makes no provision <4306> for those dependent on
him<2398>, and especially for his own family <3609>, he has disowned
the faith and is behaving worse than an unbeliever. WEY
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Strong's 2398 idios {id'-ee-os} of uncertain affinity;; adj
1) pertaining to one's self, one's own, belonging to one's self
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Strong's 3609 oikeios {oy-ki'-os} from 3624; TDNT - 5:134,674; adj
1) belonging to a house or family, domestic, intimate
1a) belonging to one's household, related by blood, kindred
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Strong's 4306 pronoeo {pron-o-eh'-o} from 4253 and 3539; TDNT -
4:1009,636; v
1) to perceive before, foresee
2) to provide, think of beforehand
2a) to provide for one
2b) to take thought for, care for a thing
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***8Butif anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially
formembers of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than
anunbeliever. ESV
***8If anyone doesn't take care of his ownrelatives, especially his
immediate family, he has denied the Christianfaith and is worse than
an unbeliever. GW
***8If anyone does nottake care of his own relatives, especially his
immediate family, he hasdenied the faith and is worse than an
unbeliever ISV
***8Andwhoever does not provide for relatives, and especially for
familymembers, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
NRSV
***8Butif a man makes no provision for those dependent on him, and
especiallyfor his own family, he has disowned the faith and is
behaving worsethan an unbeliever. GW
***8and if any one for his own—andespecially for those of the household
—doth not provide, the faith hehath denied, and than an unbeliever he
is worse. Young's Literal
***8Anyonewho neglects to care for family members in need repudiates
the faith.That's worse than refusing to believe in the first place.
Message
Obeying the commands of Jesus Christ, involves and includes the
following:
*repaying one's parents,
*taking care of and providing for the needs of one's own household
(those under one's roofs),
*taking care of and providing for the needs of one's own family,
*taking care of and providing for the needs of one's own needy
relatives and
*takingcare of and providing for the needs of one's own needy who have
become"one's own" ("his own woman, and each woman have her own man"
1Cor7:2).
This command does not depend on the parents' behavior, goodor bad. If
their behavior was bad, then while obeying the commandslisted above,
we need to forgive them and do Gal 6:1; 2 Tim 2:24-26;Luke 6:27-37.
James 4:17Therefore, anyone who knows what is right but fails to do it
is guilty of sin.
RepayinParentsCarin4Family
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WHAT IS A GODLY MEDICAL INSURANCE/COVERAGE PLAN?
***"13 For it is not [intended] that other people be eased and
relieved [of their responsibility] and you be burdened and suffer
[unfairly], 14 But to have equality [share and share alike], your
surplus over necessity at the present time going to meet their want
and to equalize the difference created by it, so that [at some other
time] their surplus in turn may be given to supply your want. Thus
there may be equality, 15 As it is written, He who gathered much had
nothing over, and he who gathered little did not lack." 2 Cor 8 AmpB
This is not a godly Christian country today, since it is so well
described in Romans 1:18-32, but a godly government run medical
insurance program would provide an equality in necessary coverage/
benefits for all its participants, with all paying a proportionate
amount of its cost, all paying the same percentage of their income to
pay for it. America's elected officials, not government bureaucrats,
would determine the percentage of income the American public would
pay. If it took 4% of the taxable income of all Americans to pay for
it, 4% of the billionaire's taxable income and 4% of the "minimum
wage" employee's taxable income, then that would be the equal share of
all for equal coverage. The coverage and benefits determined to be
necessary by medical doctors, and approved by the American Congress
and Senate, would be equally provided for all participants, as much as
the funds available enable. Funds for extraordinary life extending
procedures and equipment for those who can't live without them would
be limited by the amount of funds available. Elective coverage and
benefits would be provided only if funds were available. If elected
officials and the rich wanted more coverage/benefits, they would have
to pay for it out of their own funds.
***"13 For it is not [intended] that other people be eased and
relieved [of their responsibility] and you be burdened and suffer
[unfairly], 14 But to have equality [share and share alike], your
surplus over necessity at the present time going to meet their want
and to equalize the difference created by it, so that [at some other
time] their surplus in turn may be given to supply your want. Thus
there may be equality, 15 As it is written, He who gathered much had
nothing over, and he who gathered little did not lack." 2 Cor 8 AmpB
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From Psalm 83 O God, keep not silence: Hold not Your peace, and be
not still, O God. For, lo, Your enemies make a tumult; And they that
hate You and Your children have proudly lifted up their heads against
Bobby Jindal, Michelle Bachman, Boehner, Star Parker, Dobbs, Malkin,
Coulter, Ingraham, Hannity, Beck, Palin, their loved ones, myself, my
loved ones and all Your people. They take crafty counsel against Your
people, And consult together against Your hidden ones in Christ.
They have said, "Come, and let us cut them off from being a people of
influence; That the name of Jesus Christ may be no more in
remembrance." For they have consulted together with one consent.
Against You and Yours do they make a covenant.
Holy Father I trust You to enlighten every one who comes into the
world (Jn 1:9);
to constrain them by Your Love, Truth, Light and Life in Jesus; to
convict them
of their sin, Your judgment of their sin and Your righteousness that
requires
such judgment of their sins; and that You will draw them to You if at
all possible granting the godly sorrow and repentance to the end that
they acknowledge Jesus as their Lord and King, for I know that You
have no pleasure in the suffering of the wicked and that You prefer
that all be saved in Jesus. So if it be Your will may You do unto - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[1] the haters, bashers, revilers and enemies of Bobby Jindal,
Michelle Bachman, Star Parker, Boehner, Dobbs, Malkin, Coulter,
Ingraham, Hannity, Beck, Palin, their loved ones, myself, my loved
ones and Your other children;
[2] the tyrants, dictators, oppressors of people, abusers of people,
Islamic terrorists, Jihadists, antiChrists, Islamic fascists, the
adherents of
oppressive Sharia law, shedders of innocent blood - especially those
supporting and doing abortions, abusers and slayers of women and
children, the enemies and haters of
religious freedom and freedom of speech;
[3] the leaders and active supporters of the NEA, CTA, ACLU, Job
Corps, SEIU union and ACORN; Somos, Colorado's Gill and their people;
those involved in voter and election fraud; those voting and
campaigning for evil and evil doers;
[4] the communist and socialist oppressors of Your children;
[5] the antiChrist and Bible haters in our public schools like John
Dewey and Horace Mann; haters of the average man having life,
religious liberty and the pursuit of joy, under God;
[6] the revilers of God, cursers of the rulers You have set over the
land, enslavers of others, especially those who enslave others
sexually; liars and spreaders of lies; deceivers, gang members and
leaders, drug dealers and pushers,
- - - - - - - - as You did unto Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon in
his pride, unto those who tried to cast Jesus down the cliff, unto
those who conspired to kill Paul in the way, unto those who wanted to
abuse the angels who visited Lot, and unto Pharaoh's house when he
kept Sarah, unto all who say, "Let us take to ourselves in
possession The habitations of God, the bodies and minds of His
children." O my God, make their evil plans, activities and devices
to be like the whirling dust; As stubble before the wind. As the
fire that burns the forest, And as the flame that sets the mountains
on fire, So pursue them with Your tempest, And terrify them with
Your storm. Fill their faces with confusion, and ineffectiveness, So
that they may know the penalty of sin and seek Your name, O Jehovah.
Cause them to be put to shame and dismayed until they repent of their
evil; Yea, cause them to be confounded and their wicked plans to
perish; That they may know that You alone, whose name is Jehovah,
Are the Most High over all the earth, the One Who determines who will
rule over other people.
Having been made in God's likeness, we shouldn't think that the divine
nature is like gold or silver or stone, or an image fashioned by human
art and imagination. Therefore, having overlooked the times of our
ignorance, Jehovah now commands all people everywhere to
repent, because He has set a day on which He is going to judge the
world in righteousness by the Man, Jesus Christ, who He has
appointed. He has provided proof of this to everyone by raising Jesus
Christ from the dead. Everyone who believes in Jesus Christ may have
eternal life. For Jehovah-God so compassionately loved all people that
He gave His only Son, Jesus born of woman, that whoever believes in
and relies on Him alone to be made right with Jehovah God shall not
perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the
world to condemn people, but to save people through Him. Whoever
believes in Jesus Christ is not condemned, but anyone who does not
believe Him stands condemned already because of failing to believe in
the nature and character of God's only Son, Jesus born of woman.
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