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Some Aspects of the Muslim Educational System in Pre-Colonial India

By Amer Bashir

The aim of this paper is to bring to light some of the hitherto less known aspects of the Muslim Educational System in pre-colonial India.  By pre-colonial India, we refer to the time from the advent of Islam in India in the beginning of the eighth century CE up to the consolidation of colonial rule in the middle of the eighteenth century.[1] This short paper cannot do justice to all the details of the Muslim Educational System during this period. Therefore, we shall confine ourselves to only some aspects of it.  These include the evolution of the curriculum over the centuries, and general contours of the educational system.  We will also be challenging some conventional theories.  These include the notion that before the coming of the press, books were in short supply in India.  The other is that hadith was little known in India until the coming of Shah Wali Allah (d. 1762).  We will be presenting individual incidents which we feel to be representative of a broader trend and from these we shall draw general conclusions.

During the period under study Muslim rule gradually extended from Sindh to include the whole of Northern India until it became one of the three major Muslim powers of that time under the Great Mughals,[2] Ottoman Turkey and Safavid Iran being the other two.  Such a strong and vast empire required a strong administrative structure which in turn required an effective system of education.  As we shall see later, education was sufficiently sought after, and provided for during this time, such that India at that time could favorably compare and often compete with the central lands of Islam in the field of scholarship.[3]

POSITION OF KNOWLEDGE AND EDUCATION IN ISLAM

We begin our analysis with looking at the position of knowledge and education in Islam.  Numerous Qur’anic verses and Prophetic traditions establish the centrality of knowledge in Islam.  The verses include “Are those who know and those who do not know alike?” (39:9); the first revelation “Read in the name of your Lord who created” (96:1); and the prayer taught in the Qur’an, “Say (O Muhammad), My Lord! Increase me in knowledge” (20:114).  Similarly, the Prophetic traditions (ahadith) exhorting people to seek knowledge are also well known.  Examples include the famous tradition in which the Prophet is reported to have said, “It is obligatory upon every Muslim to seek knowledge.”[4] Similarly, al-Tirmidhi has reported a hadith in which the Prophet (pbuh) said, “The excellence of a scholar upon the worshiper is like my excellence over the lowest one amongst you.”[6] This emphasis upon knowledge and education has been taken for granted in Muslim societies since the beginning of Islam.

The religious basis for the pursuit of knowledge resulted in defining the objective of education as al-fawz bi al-sa‘adah fi al-darayn i.e. to succeed through bliss in the world and the hereafter.

This in turn implied that education should be acquired

  1. To understand the will of God and to lead one’s life according to it.
  2. To inculcate Islamic values in oneself.
  3. To cultivate cultured behavior in oneself.[7]

As can be seen from these objectives, acquiring knowledge was considered a sacred duty. It was the sole means to success.  Knowledge (‘ilm) and practice (‘amal) were inter-linked. Instruction (ta‘lim) went hand in hand with training (ta’dib).  The traditional Islamic concept of education was, thus, holistic as understood at that time.  Muslim scholars had divided knowledge into two parts, the fardh ‘ayn(individually obligatory) and the fardh kifayah (collectively obligatory); but there was no strict separation between the religious and the secular sciences.  Both formed part of an integrated whole.

THE GENERAL ENVIRONMENT AND PUBLIC ATTITUDE

As we have seen above, Islam has placed considerable emphasis upon knowledge.  Because of this we find that, historically, the general attitude of Muslims, throughout the world, towards knowledge, scholars and students had been that of reverence.  In every land, there were to be found a significant number of people who had dedicated themselves to learning and/or teaching.  At the same time, the general public considered it an act of worship to help the scholars and the students.  This public attitude coupled with safety of the roads maintained by stable and strong Muslim governments, enabled people to move across great distances in search of knowledge.  In spite of the crude means of conveyance, people were constantly on the move; students setting out to learn, teachers traveling to teach.  Ghulam ‘Ali Azad Bilgirami (d. 1785) writes in his book Ma’athir al-Kiram, which is a historical account of sixteenth/seventeenth century Mughal India, that:

Seekers of knowledge travel in multitudes from one place to another. Wherever, the situation is agreeable, they get busy in learning…. The well-to-do people of each town take care of these seekers of knowledge and consider it a great honor to serve them.[8]

The teachers occupied a high position in society.  Though their emoluments were not always great, they commanded universal respect and confidence.  Gilani mentions a number of incidents when the teachers, in spite of their poverty, refused to accept any monetary help from others; and whatever help or gift was accepted, the giver always considered it to be an honor for his gift to have been accepted.[9] This attitude was widespread throughout the period under review.  Even absolutist monarchs showed deference to the ‘ulama and the Sufis.  Nizami has also mentioned several incidents of ‘ulama and Sufis refusing royal gifts even while suffering from abject poverty.[10] For many, poverty was a chosen path and the royal gifts were seen as undoing years of patient hard work.

INSTITUTIONS

The main institutions for teaching and learning during the period of Muslim rule in India were maktabsand madrasahs,[11] mosques and khanqahs (Sufi centers), and private houses.  Almost every mosque served as an elementary school.  However, a large number of eminent scholars and men of letter taught independently and even supported the students who came to them to study.  This then was the foundation upon which the whole system was built; the teacher and the student.  The issue of budgetary allocations for school buildings and provision of other services was not the top most priority for these people.  What was most important was the existence of a sincere teacher and a sincere student.  If these two were obtaining, other things could be improvised.  Azad has mentioned a famous teacher of his hometown Bilgiram, Mir Mubarak.  He taught there for years but throughout this time, he was based in the verandah of a certain noble of the town.  Hundreds came and studied from him but he continued to operate from that verandah.[12]

At the same time, the state was not negligent to matters of education.  Kings as well as local Nawabs and other well-to-do people considered it an act of virtue to build maktabsmadrasahs and to support teachers and students.  We find a network of such institutions; one-man schools as well as larger more organized affairs; scattered throughout the length and breadth of India.  All three levels viz. elementary, secondary, higher, were catered for.  However, no one level dominated in any one institution.  Private houses were being used to provide basic elementary education but at the same time could be seen to provide advanced studies to those interested.  In fact, this lack of bureaucratic uniformity was this system’s greatest strength.  The system reflected the needs of the people.  It accommodated the grassroots desires and ambitions of people regarding education.  Thus, we find huge well-funded, well-organized madrasahs existing side by side with one man schools operating out of private houses.[13]The student had the liberty of choosing which teacher to study from.  Problems of admissions and school discipline were rare.  The focus was on the real thing: education; with very little squabbling over the means to acquire it.

Muslim rulers also patronized scholars.  Amongst the earliest examples is that of the famous theologian Fakhr al-Din al-Razi (d. 1209).  He was also a great philosopher and expert in many Islamic sciences.  He was patronized by many rulers.  Among these was Shihab al-Din Ghauri (1206), the founder of Muslim rule in India proper.  It is reported about him that he had al-Razi stay in his camp wherever he went.  Al-Razi was the official prayer leader and delivered sermons and lectures in the camp.[14]

COURSE OF STUDY

Muslims first reached India as conquerors in the beginning of the eighth century.  The intellectual climate of their Arab homeland was extended to Sindh, the portion of India that had been conquered.  At this stage we find an active participation of Sindh based scholars in the field of hadith.  Their names appear in the chains of transmission of ahadith that were later on recorded by other hadith masters.  Some of their names and works have also been mentioned by ‘Abd al-Hayy al-Hasani in his al-Thaqafah al-Islamiyyah fi al-Hind.[15]

However, this period lasted for only four centuries and Muslim rule was confined to Sindh and Multan (southern Punjab).  Beginning towards the end of the tenth century, Muslims began to enter India from the North-West in successive waves, each time extending their territories even further towards North and Central India.  Along with each invading army, and on their own as well, came ‘ulama and Sufis.  Both had a role to play in the spread of Islamic knowledge in India.  Major cities in the newly acquired territories quickly turned into centers of learning.  Initially, Multan, then Lahore and finally Delhi became the pre-eminent centre of learning in North India.[16]

This second period starting from the end of the tenth century lasted until the last quarter of the fifteenth century.  During this time, India benefited enormously from an otherwise unmitigated disaster.  The Mongol hordes that ravaged Central Asia, Afghanistan and Khorasan forced many of the scholarly families based there to migrate to other countries.  India was the top destination for them.  Not a day passed but a noteworthy scholar would arrive in Delhi with camel loads of books.  The Indian rulers were fully aware of the worth of the newcomers. They made them feel extremely welcome.  Every newcomer was given a post or a stipend or an estate to support himself and his family.  Thus, the nascent Muslim community of North India benefitted from a continuous supply of scholars and books.

During this period, the education system in North India consisted of three stages:

At the first stage, as has been the practice throughout Muslim history in all Islamic lands, a child’s education began with the Qur’an.  Each locality had teachers who specialized in tajwid, the art of recitation of the Qur’an.  It is mentioned about Nizam al-Din Awliya (d. 1325), the great Chishti Sufi saint of Delhi, that he started his education in his hometown, Badaun.  This began with learning how to read the Qur’an.  His teacher was a freed slave who had converted from Hinduism to Islam and knew the seven major recitations of the Qur’an.[17] After Qur’an, students would normally move on to Persian, the official language of the country.  Most of the major works of Persian prose and poetry were studied.  These included the works of major writers such as Sa‘di, Hafiz, Salman Saoji, Anwari, and others.[18]The education of the general population normally stopped at this level.  However, it seems reasonable to assume that some elementary Arabic was also taught at this stage because the students were expected to understand the Arabic phrases that were often used in Persian books and regular conversation.  We also find people with only basic education being able to freely quote from the Qur’an and Prophetic traditions.[19]

The second stage was dedicated to an intensive study of the Arabic language as well as fiqh.  Some of the books taught at this stage included: Kafiyah and Mufassal for Arabic grammar; and Mukhtasar al-Quduri and Majma‘ al-Bahrayn for Hanafi fiqh (Jurisprudence).  Later on, Mufassal gave way to Sharh Jami and Sharh Wiqayah replaced Majma‘ al-Bahrayn.[20] Education up to this level was considered sufficient for those wanting to engage in teaching, preaching, etc. and entitled one to be called adanishmand (wise man) or a mawlawi.  Studies at this level would correspond to the fourth year of study in the present-day eight year Dars-e-Nizami.

In the third stage, also called fadhilat, advanced books of each science were studied. These includedKashshaf and Madarik for tafsir (Qur’anic Exegesis), Mishkat al-Masabih and Mashariq al-Anwar forhadithal-Hidayah for Hanafi fiqh, and Usul al-Bazdawi for usul al-fiqh (principles of jurisprudence).  Along with these, major works in the various branches of balaghah (rhetoric) were also studied.  The one who completed this stage was called a fadhil.

As can be seen from this brief outline, rational sciences and kalam (dialectics) were not paid much attention in the regular curriculum.  Only a few basic texts of logic and kalam such as al-Qutbi and Sharh as-Sahaif were studied.[21] In fact, the general attitude amongst the ‘ulama towards these is best summed up in this statement of Fatawa al-Tatarkhania, a fatwa collection compiled during the fourteenth century:

The issues of ‘ilm al-kalam lead to new dissentions (fitnahs) and innovations and cause deterioration of faith; (and) the ones who normally engage in it are either less-intelligent or are seeking to dominate rather than seeking the truth.[22]

This all changed towards the end of the fifteenth century and the beginning of the sixteenth century.  During this third period which lasted until the beginning of the eighteenth century, logic, philosophy, andkalam got new impetus.  At this time, many students of Sharif Jurjani and Sa‘d al-Din Taftazani moved to India and brought with them new books on grammar, rhetoric, kalam and fiqh.[23] Later, Fathullah Shirazi came to India from Iran and brought with him works of Dawwani, Mulla Sadra and Mirza Jan.  These works were readily accepted by Indians and before long these became part and parcel of the curriculum.[24] Again during this period, purpose built institutions existed side by side with individualized private instruction.

The fourth period can be said to have begun from the early part of eighteenth century lasting until the founding of Dar al-‘Ulum at Deoband in 1866.  This period is characterized by the presence of two very important personalities.  Each of them contributed to education in his own way.  One is Shah Wali Allah of Delhi and the other is Nizam al-Din Sihalvi of Lucknow (d. 1748).  Wali Allah focused on the teaching ofhadith especially the Sihah Sittah (the six major collections of hadith viz. Sahih al-BukhariSahih Muslim,Jami‘ TirmidhiSunan Abu DawudSunan al-Nisa’i and Sunan Ibn Majah) and al-Muwatta of Malik.  Later on, his son Shah ‘Abd al-‘Aziz, operating from his base in Delhi, helped to popularize it throughout India.

Sihalvi based at Farangi Mahal in Lucknow focused on developing a comprehensive curriculum which came to be called Dars-e-Nizami, after him.  Sihalvi focused more on the ma‘qulat (rational sciences) andfiqh than on the manqulat (transmitted sciences).  In fact, an examination of this curriculum shows that it included ten books on logic, five on dialectics and three on philosophy while only a portion from two works of tafsir and one book of hadith were studied.[25] This curriculum proved extremely popular because of its ability to prepare students for independent study.  Even the Shi‘ites of Lucknow came to the Sunni school of Farangi Mahal to study because of the reputation of this curriculum at producing well-rounded and rational, educated individuals.

Although, our period of research ends here, however, let us state this much. Wali Allah’s curriculum and Sihalvi’s curriculum represented two extremes in their emphasis upon the transmitted and the rational sciences, respectively.  Quite a number of people took advantage of both the curricula but there was still no single unified curriculum.  That came about with the founding of the Dar al-‘Ulum at Deoband in 1866.  The curriculum adopted at Dar al-‘Ulum, although still referred to as Dars-e-Nizami, was a combination of the two.  On the one hand, rational sciences were studied in almost as much detail as Nizam al-Din had envisaged; and on the other hand, Wali Allah’s emphasis on hadith was also incorporated so that during the last year of study, the Sihah Sittah, as well as the Sharh Ma‘ani al-Athar of al-Tahawi, and the al-Muwattas of Malik and Muhammad were studied in their totality.

INDIAN ‘ULAMA AND HADITH

The prevalent idea among the vast majority of Indo-Pakistani ‘ulama is that hadith was historically a neglected science in India.  It was only with the coming of Wali Allah that this changed.  The unique position that Wali Allah occupies in Indian Muslim intellectual history has meant that his supporters tend to sideline the important contributions made by others before him and during his time.

Regarding the contributions of Indian ‘ulama to hadith, we have to keep Indian history in perspective.  Muslims came to regard India proper (Sindh & Multan being the exception) as their home only after the coming to power of Qutb al-Din Aybak in 1206.  Indian Muslims’ contributions should be examined keeping this in mind.  By this time, all the major works of Hadith had already been compiled.  It was too late for Indians to form part of al-Bukhari’s chain of transmitters.  They could not have taken part in the formative period of the hadith sciences.  Sindh, which was Islamized earlier on, did take part in these activities and was the exception.  Later Indians, however, engaged in those pursuits that were still possible.  They compiled newer collections based upon the original collections. They learned the hadithsciences, memorized texts with their chains and taught these to others.

In this regard, a prominent example is that of Hasan al-Saghani al-Hindi (d. 1252).  He was the Indian ambassador to the Abbasid court in Baghdad.  Upon orders of the then Abbasid caliph al-Mustansir Billah, he compiled Mashariq al-Anwar, a collection of 2246 ahadith from the two Sahihs of Bukhari andMuslim.  The caliph himself studied this book from him.  For many centuries after that, this book was an integral part of the curriculum of Islamic madrasahs.  Numerous commentaries were written on it by‘ulama in Egypt, Iraq, Syria and Hijaz. It was held in such high esteem that Sultan Muhammad ibn Tughlaq is reported to have placed it side by side with the Qur’an while taking oath of allegiance from his officers.[26]

There are many other examples from each of the succeeding centuries as well as some from the previous ones which show that learning hadith and teaching it to others was very much a part of the educational system.  There was Isma‘il Muhaddith (d. 1056) who was based in Lahore and had dedicated himself to teaching the various Islamic sciences including hadith.[27] Then there were Shaykh Bahlul of Delhi and Mufti Muhammad of Lahore, both from the time of Akbar (c. sixteenth century).  Both were well-known for their expertise in hadith.[28] Mufti Muhammad used to teach Sahih Bukhari and Mishkaat al-MasabiÍ.

Also from the sixteenth century is Mir Murtaza Sharifi, the grandson of Mir Sayyid Sharif Jurjani.  He left Shiraz to go to Makkah and learned hadith from ibn Hajar al-Makki and got ijazah (permission/license) from him to teach it to others.  He came to settle down in Agra and passed away during the reign of Akbar.[29] Then there was Hafiz Daraz Peshawari who had learned hadith from his mother.  This lady had written a commentary on Sahih Bukhari in Farsi.[30] Moreover, it is mentioned about Muhammad Farrukh, the grandson of Ahmad Sirhindi, that he had memorized 70,000 ahadith along with their chains and texts and their strengths and weaknesses.[31]

This devotion to ÍadÊth was not confined to North India alone.  Gujarat in western India is situated opposite the Arabian Peninsula and therefore, has enjoyed a closer relationship with the Arab peninsula from the beginning.  Prominent ‘ulama such as ‘Ali Muttaqi (d. c. 1568) and his students Muhammad ibn Tahir Patni (d. 1578) and ‘Abd al-Wahhab al-Muttaqi (d. 1592) were in the forefront in the science ofhadith.  They flourished in Gujarat and Makkah and from there, their influence extended to various parts of the world.  In Delhi, ‘Abd al-Wahhab’s student ‘Abd al-Haqq (d. 1642) was active in disseminatinghadith.  He wrote important commentaries on the major works of hadith.  He was followed by his son Nur al-Haqq, who similarly, was quite active in serving the hadith sciences.

In South India, we find the sixteenth century scholar Bhikari Kakorvi who wrote a book on the principles ofhadith, titled al-Minhaj.[32] In Zaidpur in eastern India, Maulana ‘Abd al-Awwal (d. 1560) had written a commentary on Sahih Bukhari, titled Faydh al-Bari.[33] Even Azad, more famous for the historical works that he wrote, had written a commentary on Sahih Bukhari, titled Dhaw’ al-Dharari.[34] In Kashmir, there was Mulla Inayat Allah Kashmiri (d. 1713).  He had taught Sahih Bukhari thirty six times.[35] And then in the nineteenth century, we find Rahmat Allah Ilahabadi who had memorized the six books of hadith(Sihah Sittah).[36]

The rulers also took active part in patronizing hadith sciences.  It is mentioned about Sultan Mahmud Shah (d. 1397) of the South Indian Bahmani kingdom that he had set aside special stipends for the scholars of hadith so that they could stay engaged in their scholarly pursuits without having to worry about earning their living.[37]

SUFIS AND KNOWLEDGE

Sufis enjoy perhaps the worst reputation in Islamic scholarly circles.  Much of this stems from the behavior and statements of ignorant Sufis.  This then leads to a blanket condemnation of all Sufis including the classical giants of tasawwuf.  Historical evidence points in a different direction.  It would be helpful to consider here the case of some Sufis and their attitudes towards education.  In fact, in the second half of the thirteenth century, Delhi saw the founding of the khanqah of the famous Chishti saint, Nizam al-Din Awliya.  Not only had Nizam al-Din studied the above-mentioned Mashariq al-Anwar from cover to cover but also knew the entire collection by heart.[38] The best source of information about him is his utterances (malfuzat) that were recorded by his disciple Amir Hasan Sijzi (d. 1336) in his famous work Fawa’id al-Fu’ad.[39] Even a cursory glance at this collection will show that Nizam al-Din had a thorough understanding of hadith and fiqh.  And this in spite of the fact that he was busy training his Sufi disciples and did not have time to be actively involved in the intellectual life of Delhi.

Another incident is worth considering.  It is mentioned about a certain Akhi Siraj who had moved at a young age from his native Lakhnauti to Delhi to benefit from Nizam al-Din Awliya.  He lived in Nizam al-Din’s khanqah for many years.  Once, someone recommended his name to Nizam al-Din for successorship.  Nizam al-Din replied that Siraj was not educated and therefore, not qualified to be a successor.  Upon this, one of the scholar disciples of Nizam al-Din, Mawlana Fakhr al-Din Zarradi volunteered to teach Siraj and fulfill this important condition for him.  He accomplished this in six months.[40] This shows the erudition and skill of Zarradi as well as the acumen of Siraj to learn.  Above all, this incident shows the central importance that Sufis gave to education.

One could argue that the sources for all such incidents are hagiographical accounts whose sole purpose is to glorify the personality of the person being written about.  Even if we were to accept this charge, although there is enough reason not to, even then, the fact that the biographers considered acquisition of knowledge to be praiseworthy shows the status of knowledge and education in the Muslim society of that time.

AVAILABILITY OF BOOKS

The scarcity of books in India before the coming of the press has been made quite an issue of.  Some historians, as evidence of this claim, have cited an incident involving Wali Allah’s son, Shah ‘Abd al-‘Aziz.  It is reported that when ‘Abd al-‘Aziz began writing his Persian commentary on the Qur’an (Fath al-‘Aziz), he could not even find al-Tafsir al-Kabir of al-Razi.[41] After a desperate search, he finally found it in the library at the Royal Palace in Delhi.  This is hard to believe.  All of ‘Abd al-‘Aziz works have come down to us.  We find him referring directly to classical works of Shafi‘i, Abu Yusuf (the main student of Abu Hanifah), al-Ghazzali, Ibn Hazm, Ibn Taymiya, etc.  Some of these works were hard to find even after coming of the press.  It is reasonable to assume that someone who had access to such rare works would also have had access to al-Razi’s work.  Even if the incident was to be considered true, it cannot be taken to be representative of a general trend.  It appears as an exception rather than the rule.

Moreover, Gilani has cited an incident involving Azad’s teacher, Mir Tufayl.  Azad writes that once Mir Tufayl went to see the Nawab of Agra.  There, a debate ensued about certain linguistic aspects of the Qur’anic verse “and for those who have the power” (2:184).  According to Azad even for this relatively minor issue, most major works of tafsir, including al-Razi’s al-Tafsir al-KabÊrKashshafBaidhawi, and other books of language and rhetoric were consulted.[42]

Mulla Muhib Allah Bihari (d. 1707) is a prominent scholar who flourished during Aurangzeb’s (d. 1707) reign.  He is the author of Musallam as-Thubut, a famous work on the principles of jurisprudence (usul al-fiqh).  A manuscript of the author’s marginalia on this work is available online.[43] In this, he mentions the books that he consulted while writing this book.  The list includes all the major works of usul of each of the Sunni schools viz. Usal al-BazdawiUsul al-SarkhasiKashf al-BazdawiKashf al-Manaral-Badi‘ along with its commentaries, al-Tawdhih wa al-Talwihal-Tahrir along with its commentaries al-Taqrir and al-Taysiral-Mahsul of al-Razi, al-Ihkam of al-Amidi, Qadhi’s Mukhtasar along with its various glosses,Sharh of al-Abhari, Sharh of Taftazani, gloss of Fazil Mirza Jan, al-Rududal-‘Unqudal-Minhaj of al-Baidhawi along with its commentary, Mukhtasar of ibn al-HÉjib and Muntaha al-Usul.  This is an exhaustive list.  If these books were available to someone working in Bihar, it is quite reasonable to assume that they would have been available in the capital Delhi as well.

In fact, not only were books easily available during the period under study, rather it was not such a major issue.  There are two important reasons for that.

Firstly, there was always a professional group of copyists in each locality who were called warraq (scribe) or nussakh (copyist).  They kept track of all the books available in their area as well as other cities and upon demand they could quickly make copies of the desired book.[44] Secondly, amongst the general educated public most people could write quite fast.  About the first contention, the following incident is quite telling.

‘Abd al-Qadir Badayuni (d. 1625) was an accomplished scholar and man of letters who was attached to Akbar’s court.  Although working under Akbar, he had become thoroughly disgusted with Akbar’s eclecticism.  Even though an officially approved history of Akbar’s reign had been written by Abul Fazl titled Akbar Namah, Badayuni felt that the record needed to be set right.  So, in secret, he wrote his historical work titled Muntakhab at-Tawarikh, in which he showed the darker side of Akbar’s reign.  He could not make it public during his own lifetime for fear of severe official reaction.  After his death, some copyists got hold of it and before long its copies were to be found all over the country.  By this time, Jahangir, the son of Akbar, had ascended the throne.  He tried to ban the book.  However, in spite of his absolutist powers, Jahangir could not take this book out of circulation.  Every now and then, a report would be received that this book was seen in this town or that city.[45] This can be reasonably attributed to the easy availability of copyists who made sure that they had access to books that people wanted.  In fact, this also explains the slow spread of the press in India.  The effective system of copyists had relieved people of the need for a printing press.

About the second contention, i.e., the writing speed of educated people, let us present some incidents.

Azad has mentioned about a certain scholar Shaykh Kamal:

Text books of sarf (Morphology), nahw (Syntax), mantiq (Logic), hikmah (Philosophy), ma‘anibayanfiqh,usul, and tafsir, all of these, he copied with his own hand. And for every book, he wrote its gloss in such a way that the text did not require the commentary anymore and the commentary did not require the text anymore.[46]

Regarding Shaykh Nagauri, the father of Abul Fazl and Fayzi, Azad writes, “He wrote 500 volumes with his own hands.”[47] Similarly, it is mentioned in the account of a certain Shaykh Junayd Hisari that he could copy the whole Qur’an in three days and that too with the diacritical marks.[48]

To close this topic, let us mention what ‘Abd al-Wahhab Muttaqi has mentioned regarding his teacher ‘Ali Muttaqi.  This has been quoted by ‘Abd al-Wahhab’s student ‘Abd al-Haq Dehlavi in his Akhbar al-Akhyar.  ‘Ali Muttaqi had moved to Makkah and was the foremost scholar of that city.  ‘Abd al-Wahhab mentions about him that he had a habit of copying important books and sending them out to all those regions where such books were unlikely to be found and people would need them.  Writing books was a religious vocation for him.[49]

CONCLUSION

A systematic study of Islamic intellectual heritage (of India as well as the rest of the Muslim world) is essential for any scholar of Islamic civilization.  In the preceding account, we have tried to give a glimpse of the educational system of Muslim India.  This is just a preliminary study.  The abundance of historical evidence seems to suggest a very well-organized and organic system of education.  Madrasahs,maktabs, mosques, private houses, all kinds of institutions existed in harmony.  The options available to any sincere seeker of knowledge were many.  Seeking knowledge and imparting it was a sacred exercise and not a commercial enterprise.  The general attitude of the public towards knowledge and those who engaged in it was fundamental to the flourishing of this system.  General interest in the various Islamic sciences meant that all segments of the population participated in the cultivation and dissemination of Islamic sciences.  Sufis thus placed high value on seeking a proper Islamic education.  Similarly, Indian scholars paid close attention to the hadith sciences.  Many of them rose to become pre-eminent hadithscholars known for their erudition throughout the Muslim world.  Moreover, the curriculum that had evolved over the years maintained a healthy balance between the secular and the religious.  There were differences in terms of emphasis on the rational vs. the transmitted sciences.  However, the overall curriculum was still relatively holistic.  In short, Muslim India matched the central lands of Islam in terms of its educational advancement and achievements.

BIBLIOGRAPHY

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Bihari, Muhib Allah.  Hashiyat Musallam al-Thubut [Marginalia on the Flawless Evidence].  MS. Or. 350.  University of Leipzig Library, downloaded from Usul al-Fiqh wa al-Qawa’id al-Fiqhiyyah [Principles of Jurisprudence and Legal Maxims], al-Mustafa min al-Makhtutat al-‘Arabiyyah wa al-Islamiyyah [Chosen Arabic and Islamic Manuscripts].   Retrieved August 16, 2010.  http://mostafamakhtot.blogspot.com/search/label/16%20أصول%20الفقه%20والقواعد%20الفقهية.

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[1] All the dates mentioned in this paper are CE (common era) dates unless otherwise noted.

[2] “Great Mughals” is a term used to refer to the first six Mughal Emperors of India.  These are, in chronological order, Babar, Humayun, Akbar, Jahangir, Shah Jahan and Awrangzeb.  These are the first and the greatest of all Mughal Emperors.  In all, they reigned from 1526 to 1707 with a fifteen year interregnum from 1539 till 1555.  The empire reached its zenith with Awrangzeb (reigned from 1658-1707) and after his death began her decline which ended with the capture of the last Mughal emperor Bahadur Shah Zafar at the hands of the British in 1857.

[3] S.M. Jaffar, Education in Muslim India, (Delhi: Idara Adbiyat-e-Dilli, 1972), viii.

[4] Abu Bakr Ahmad ibn al-Husayn al-Bayhaqi, Shu‘ab al-Iman, (Beirut: Dar al-Kutub al-‘Ilmiyyah, 1410AH), 2:253.

[6] Muhammad ‘Abd al-Rahman ibn ‘Abd al-Rahim Mubarakpuri, Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi bi Sharh Jami‘ al-Tirmidhi, ed. ‘Abd al-Rahman Muhammad ‘Uthman, (Beirut: Dar al-Fikr, n.d.), 7:456.

[7] Al-Nadvi & Moinuddin, Survey of Muslim Education: India, (Cambridge: The Islamic Academy, 1985), 5.

[8] Sayyid Manazir Ahsan Gilani, Pak-o-Hind main Musalmanon ka Nizam-e-Ta‘lim-o-Tarbiyyat. (Lahore: Maktaba Rahmaniyya, n.d.) 19.

[9] Ibid., 24.

[10] Khaliq Ahmad Nizami, Some Aspects of Religion & Politics in India during the 13th century, (Bombay: Asia Publishing, 1961), 152-156.

[11] It should be noted that madrasah refers to an institute which offers a comprehensive multi-year course in Islamic studies.  It is different from a maktab which refers to part-time schools that offer basic instruction in reading the Qur’an and basics of Islam.

[12] Gilani, 21.

[13] Ibid.

[14] Muhammad Shafi‘, Futuh al-Hind, (Karachi: Idarat al-Ma‘arif, 2002), 60-61.

[15] ‘Abd al-Hayy al-Hasani, al-Thaqafah al-Islamiyyah fi al-Hind, (Damascus:  Mujamma‘ al-Lugha al-‘Arabiyyah bi Dimashq, 1983), 135.

[16] Ibid., 9-10.

[17] Gilani, 139.  Also cited by Nizami in Khaliq Ahmad Nizami, Islami Tehzib ka Asar Hindustan par, (Lucknow, Majlis Tehqiqat-o-Nashriat-e-Islam, 1982), 42.

[18] Gilani, 141.

[19] Al-Nadvi & Moinuddin, 4.

[20] Ibid., 5.

[21] Gilani, 151.

[22] Ibid., 155.

[23] Al-Nadvi, 6.

[24] Ibid., 7.

[25] Al-Nadvi & Moinuddin, 10.

[26] Muhammad Ishaq, India’s Contribution to the Study of Hadith Literature, (Dhaka, University of Dacca, 1976), 218-221.

[27] Ishaq, 45-46.

[28] Gilani, 129.

[29] Ishaq, 99.

[30] Gilani, 130. For more information about women muhaddithat (traditionists) throughout Muslim history, see Akram Nadvi’s up-coming 40 volume work Al-Muhaddithat: Women Scholars in Islam.  Its one volume introduction (muqaddimah) has recently been published by Interfaith Publications, UK.

[31] Gilani, 128.

[32] Ishaq, 124.

[33] Ibid., 122.

[34] Ibid, 163.

[35] Ishaq, 160 and Gilani, 128.

[36] Gilani, 128.

[37] Ibid., 134 and Ishaq, 103.

[38] Gilani, 119.  See Nizami, Some Aspects…, 347 for the ijazat namah (license to teach) that Nizam al-Din received from his teacher after completing Mashariq al-Anwar.

[39] Amir Hasan Sijzi, Fawa’id al-Fu’ad, translated from Persian into Urdu by Ziya-ul-Hasan Faruqi, (New Delhi: DK Printworld, 1996).

[40] Nizami, Islami Tehzib…, 43.

[41] Gilani, 38.

[42] Ibid., 57.

[43] Muhib Allah Bihari, Hashiyat Musallam al-Thubut, MS. Or. 350, p. 1, University of Leipzig Library, downloaded from “UÎËl al-Fiqh wa al-QawÉ‘id al-Fiqhiyyah,” al-MuÎÏafÉ min al-MakhÏËÏÉt al-‘Arabiyyah wa al-IslÉmiyyah, <http://mostafamakhtot.blogspot.com/search/label/16%20أصول%20الفقه%20والقواعد%20الفقهية> (accessed 16 August, 2010).

[44] During the period under study, copyrights violation was not an issue.  There was no legal hindrance to making copies of other people’s books.  Today, the opinion is divided among traditional scholars regarding copyrights.  Some insist that they have no basis in Islamic law.  Others approve of them.  For a sampling, see Nuh Ha Mim Keller, “Copyrights in Islam,” Shadhili Teachings, <http://www.shadhiliteachings.com/tariq/?act=article&id=6> (accessed 17 August, 2010).

[45] Gilani, 59.

[46] Ibid., 62.

[47] Ibid.

[48] Ibid., 63.

[49] See ‘Abd al-Haqq Dehlavi, Akhbar al-Akhyar, translated from Persian into Urdu by Subhan Mahmud and Muhammad Fazil, (Karachi: Madinah Publishing Company, n.d.), 529.

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Ali Shaheen

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Thank you - as one of those who likes to argue AND do other things, I have one question:  why are the women invisible in Amer Bashir's work? :)  I hope he didn't think women were irrational and not worth including!!!! Jahan Ara was supposed to be a sufi scholar too wasn't she?  A Muslim girl reading this would assume that Muslim women had nothing to contribute.  I wonder if Raziya Sultana did anything for women's education.

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I will let that pseudo feminist, Tazoooooooo, take your bate, since he knows you!

SYED TAREQ AHMED

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I am by misfortune not one of those who argue, mainly because the knowledge bank though not bankrupt is inadequetely stacked of reading and research meterial and my access to libraries limited, yet with the advent of cyber world things are looking better. A major source of the inflow is surely from some of you guys and of late some gals too. My compliments.


The  woeful lack of women's participation or contribution in Muslim Educational System in Pr-Colonial India could be attributed to strict adherence to the Purdah System so much in vogue till even now in our areas, which prevented exposure of the fairer sex  in the inter mingling of minds so essential for transmission of knowledge. Distinguished and enlightened families moreover were conservative to the core and as far my knowledge, wanted their female members to be Qur'an literate and able to read and write letters amongst close relatives only, besides being the queen of the household. Much later in the day, did they from within the veil observed that their counterparts from other communities did fare better in the world beyond the inner sanctum of their homes and soon we had some of them bursting the seems and bring forth their contribution in the field of education. I await better judgment from further exchanges of our ' Argue ' teams, which I predict shall follow. Cheers.  



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Ali Shaheen

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I don't know enough either Tareq which is why I raised the question and was hoping that others who have studied the issue would comment.  I understand that purdah was observed by Muslim women, but they were not uneducated.  What system of education existed for them? Jahan Ara (Shah Jahan's sister) was a Sufi scholar and there were other Sufi women too, not all were royalty.  I don't think Raziya Sultana was illiterate either.  Women participated in mushairas, and wrote poetry.  Gender segregation does not mean they weren't literate.  I was looking for something on women's education.  Very often women's reality is totally overlooked when history is written by men.  This is why it is helpful to include many perspectives because there is no "definitive" work which is all encompassing.  And welcome to the "Argue Team" - or how about "Debaters"? :) 

Ehsan Ahrari

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More fodder for those who love to argue!

 

Ehsan

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Ehsan,

 

Your point about  women being ignored by histories written by men is also a western problem. In fact I read an article way back about this issue.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1993-05-09/features/9305090073_1_gerda-lerner-brandeis-university-history

Giving History A Future

Scholar Digs For Details Of Contributions Lost In Time

http://awesomestuffwomendid.tumblr.com/

Why Gender History is Important

I am not an expert on this so I do not think I can have majoer discussion. But this is what one can find online for example.

About Muslim women in pre colonial times:

http://bcs.bedfordstmartins.com/worldlit/pages/book3/cultureandcontext/India_women.asp

Mongol tribal society gave women equality in most realms. Many thirteenth-century historical accounts (Mongol, Persian, and Chinese) describe how elite Mongol women fought in the military, owned property, engaged in business ventures and civic discourse, were sometimes educated, and could seek divorce. Babur's Mongolian ancestor, Kublai Khan's mother, Sorghaghtani Beki, was one of the most well-known of Mongolian women, and a very powerful political figure, but the fact that the Mughals were Muslim (as well as of Mongol heritage) complicated the social status of Mughal women. When Mughal attitudes toward women came into contact with Hindu attitudes, the resulting effects on women's status were both positive and negative. Babur and other emperors were known to rely on the political advice of their female relatives, and Akbar established a girls' school where his daughters were educated (although he himself had not been taught to read as a child). Akbar also discouraged child marriage, promoted widow marriage, and banned sati (the Hindu custom of a widow voluntarily being burned alive upon her husband's funeral pyre). During the reigns of Emperor Jahangir (r. 1605-1627) and Shah Jahan (r. 1628-1658), Queen Nur Jahan (1577-1645) became a significant policy maker. She, along with her father and brother, ruled the empire for the last decade of Jahangir's reign after he became ill. Later, Queen Nur Jahan's niece, Mumtaz Mahal (to whom the Taj Mahal was dedicated), married Shah Jahan, and after her death, her unmarried daughter, Jahanara, became queen. To a certain extent, Mughal attitudes toward women influenced Indian society positively, and Hindu women were consequently allowed to engage in business and to own land. Yet on the other hand, Hindu customs such as sati and early marriage persisted, and the imitation of constrictive Mughal-Muslim influences such as purdah (secluding women and/or requiring them to veil themselves in public) began to enter upper-caste Indian society. 

 

For more information:

To learn more about women in Mongol court society, see "Women of the Mongol Court," taken from a lecture by Professor Morris Rossabi, at the Denver Art Museum in partnership with the Woodrow Wilson Leadership Program in History. Professor Rossabi teaches at Queens College and Columbia University and is on the Editorial Board of the Journal of World History:
http://www.woodrow.org/teachers/world-history/teaching/mongol/women.html

For more information on Sorghaghtani Beki, see the Women in World History site, maintained by Lyn Reeves:
http://www.womeninworldhistory.com/heroine8.html

See the Women, the Visual Arts, and Islam Web site produced for the course "Women in the Visual Arts: Islamic Focus" taught by Professor Deborah Hutton of Skidmore College. The Mughal Women and the Visual Arts section was produced by Ellie Forseter, Hannah Liverant, and Katie Pariser-Gollon: 
http://www.skidmore.edu/academics/arthistory/ah369/Intropg2.htm

For a short biography of Nur Jahan (1577-1645), see the Women in World History site: 
http://www.womeninworldhistory.com/heroine11.html0

To see a zahana, or women's palace, go to ArchNet, a digital library at MIT for architects, scholars, and others, with a special focus on the Islamic world: 
http://archnet.org/library/sites/one-site.tcl?site_id=3857

 

To learn more about exceptional Muslim women, see the biography of Sultana Razia, the first female Muslim ruler (who took the throne in 1236), at the Story of Pakistan: A Multimedia Journey site. Its focus is on the political history of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan: 
http://www.storyofpakistan.com/person.asp?perid=P047



Best,

Mayraj

 

 

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Thank you - as one of those who likes to argue AND do other things, I have one question:  why are the women invisible in Amer Bashir's work? :)  I hope he didn't think women were irrational and not worth including!!!! Jahan Ara was supposed to be a sufi scholar too wasn't she?  A Muslim girl reading this would assume that Muslim women had nothing to contribute.  I wonder if Raziya Sultana did anything for women's education.

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Especially for those who like nothing better than to argue!

 

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Ali Shaheen

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Thank you Ehsan - you have redeemed yourself :).  And the word is "debate" you guys!!!!  Don't you think one opens one's mind through debating? :)  BTW there were also courtesans who educated upper class young men in the fine arts, not just the "art of love".  If I had not asked the question we would have all thought that women were observing purdah and only reading the Quran.  I suspect only the Wahabis and Taliban have tried to restrict education to the Quran.
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Lord Macauley rightly assessed the hollowness of Indian education system under the Mughals. He said that what useful books one single book shelf in England contained, was far greater in its worth than what all the libraries in India collectively possessed (in early 19th century -technically the India was still under Mughal rule a up to 1858).
 
There was ABSOLUTELY NOthing like Oxford or Cambridge of the 14th-15th centuries in India during, before and after 15th century. Mughals and before that Lodis, Tughlaqs, Khaljis and others only patronised madrassahs and some elementary medical schools. Another important Muslim dynasty, the mighty Ottomans of the 14th-16th centuries did not adopt printing press and did not have a university until 1879. India had its first universities in 1857 at Calcutta, Bombay and Madras.
 
Muslims degenerated during the 12th century in the Middle East (while Muslim Spain was still flourishing up to the 13th).
Truth is bitter, but fact is stranger than the fiction.
 
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Ehsan Ahrari

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Shaheen:

 

This is indeed a very important topic.  However, I don’t think that I know enough about it, even though my family has been very much part of that tradition. 

 

My Marhooma mother observed purdah, but never wore full-scale burqah.  She was not educated, but she was abundantly aware of the significance of education, especially in the context of Islam.  My first memory of my existence was of my mother reading the life history of the Prophet (SAW) to me.  My convent-educated sister—who owns and operates her own school in Lucknow, which has classes from KG through 8th grade—is as religious as any other man or woman of faith.  But she never observed purdah or wore the hijab.  Somehow and most unfortunately, religiosity has been viewed through the prism of such practices alone.  As you know, this is a very significant aspect of debates over Islam in Turkey.

 

Islam, the final of the Abrahamic religions—is much too complicated to be bandied about in discussions of this nature.  I am sure you have different views, but that’s how I feel.  That is one reason why I refrain from discussion on that noble religion.   However, once my book, The Islamic Challenge and the Great Powers, is (Insha-Allah) published, I will send you a brochure so that you spend your millions and purchase a few copies to educate your entire Canada! I have spent nine chapter (190,000 words) writing about Islam.

 

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Ehsan

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I tell you what Ehsan, you send me a complimentary signed copy of your book  and I promise to read it :).  I'm sure there must be stuff written on the education of South Asian women by women too - I just haven't done enough digging.  

I am inclined to believe that purdah was not necessarily a barrier to education for women, though I'm sure the education of women was not a priority in those days.  Certainly in the upper classes women had private tutors.  My own mother was a graduate though she was not a career woman - and this came from the insistence of my maternal grandfather who was the principal of the first Muslim college in Sylhet and wanted all his children to get at least a B.A.  My mother observed purdah until her marriage, but she went to college.  And presently wearing a hijab does not prevent women from getting an education.  In fact there are lots of young Muslim women in the West who are claiming the hijab as part of their identity and are among the brightest women around.  The barriers to educating Muslim women come from some Muslim men who feel threatened by women's intelligence and would like "roles" for women i.e. keep them in their place where they can be controlled, neither seen nor heard :). 

BTW there are those who will disagree that Islam is the final Abrahamaic religion - don't forget that the Bahais are also part of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic tradition.  The Bahaullah was a Shia Muslim from Iran - and was terribly persecuted by Muslims.  He was also an amazingly enlightened man if you consider that he lived in the 19th. century.
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Ehsan Ahrari

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No, my book has nothing to with women, only men, men, and men!  I don’t write about women!!!  So, you should not be interested in reading my book.

 

Yes, you are correct in observing that purdah was not a barrier in India; and I assume the same is true elsewhere in the subcontinent.

 

You are mistaken about your barrier-related observation.  It is a universal male pathology.  Men in the West as well are equally threatened by educated women; especially if she more educated than her hubby.  As a vocal feminist and as a psychologist, I am sure you are not unaware of this reality.

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Ali Shaheen

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Now why would you assume that I am only interested in reading about women?!  I am interested in all of humanity,  other creatures too, the universe, and beyond.  In this instance, we were discussing the education of Muslim women in pre-colonial India.  May I suggest that you broaden your horizons to include humans i.e. not just men but also women :).  If you only write about men you are focusing on just half of humanity.   Anyway, send autographed copy of book - will read!!!

Also my observations had to do with barriers to Muslim women's education which is why I referred to Muslim men in that context.  (You have to stop speed reading!)  In general of course patriarchy exists all over the world and in every faith group, no matter how enlightened.  However, I still would not generalize and say that all men are threatened by educated women, though I'm sure the insecure ones would prefer women not to have a brain :).  My dad, a devout Muslim, who was born in 1912, was a very liberated man and I credit him for who I am today.  He was the one who taught me to question and seek my own truth   I always say that God destroyed the mold after making him :).  Just to set the record straight, I am not a registered psychologist - I switched to Health Science after my first Master's in psychology, though I have done counselling.  If you recall I said I had a background in psychology, among other things.
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Ok, Shaheen, you are right about something, but the credit still comes to me since I told you that I barely glance at a lot of postings!  Yes, I do speed read.  You are accidentally (!) right about something else: By universal I did not imply ALL.  But that needed clarification for those who want to make sure that all the “Ts” are crossed and all the “Is” are dotted.  And you sound like you are one of them, since you like to argue.

 

No, you are probably an arm chair psychologist, like most of us are.  Ok, you are more than an arm chair psychologist, since you ID yourself as a counselor.  I have a dear friend, Ron, who is one of those.  He spends a lot of his time trying to tell me the right psychological answer for a lot of things and I keep telling that he is full of you know what! 

 

Now on the issue of broadening my horizon, I will not tell you what I tell Ron, because I do give a damn about women; most of whom are definitely a better part of humanity.  My wife is one of them.  So, overall, you got my attention for a little while.  But don’t get used to it.  Back to speed reading again!

 

In the meantime, pensées heureuses to you and all the thoughtful readers of this note!!!!!

 

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Ali Shaheen

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Mar 6, 2013, 5:07:36 PM3/6/13
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Now, now Ehsan, it is not about being right, it is about exchanging ideas, opinions and information to gain more insight.  Impressed by your honesty though and for Sharon's sake much relieved that you do give a damn about women :).  BTW I don't see myself as a counsellor or policy analyst or health educator or human rights activist or administrator or community developer.  Even though I have done all these things at various points in my life, I can't pick one label to identity with.  Single labels are limiting, we are more than our careers and wear different hats at different times, all of which influence our perspective.
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Ehsan Ahrari

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Mar 6, 2013, 5:49:27 PM3/6/13
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What do you do, sleep all day and get up in the evening to argue?

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Ali Shaheen

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Mar 7, 2013, 2:46:47 PM3/7/13
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Actually like the rest of us I too get through the activities of daily living - but I also want to stay sharp and devote some time to my personal Alzheimer's prevention program which is what some of these discussions are about for me :).
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Farida Majid

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Mar 7, 2013, 3:43:38 PM3/7/13
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            Shaheen should be awarded a medal for keeping her cool! What kind of chhotolok would ask a gentlewoman a question like:  What do you do, sleep all day and get up in the evening to argue?

  It is hard to find one who reads Bernard Lewis' disgusting book titled 'What Went Wrong'
 with Islam that received terrible, slamming peer reviews, and looks at his own regional history, culture and religion through that damning prism. The title of the book is a give away -- Islam decontextualized from the rest of civilization, and treated as a monolithic phenomenon of a sort; and that too going 'wrong' assuming  everything else went 'right'.

          For Shaheen's interest, I am providing links of article by that splendid man, Asghar Ali Engineer. I may not read Urdu, but I have the academic background that equips me with skill to 'read' the semiotic information about an important cutural icon like Sir Syed Ahmad Khan.

   http://www.indianmuslims.info/articles/asghar_ali_engineer/muslims_modernity_and_change.html

http://www.sailanmuslim.com/news/maulvi-mumtaz-ali-a-nineteenth-century-advocate-of-womens-rights-by-asghar-ali-engineer/

              All the best,

                               Farida

Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 14:46:47 -0500

Subject: Re: Some Aspects of the Muslim Educational System in Pre-Colonial India
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Ehsan Ahrari

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Mar 7, 2013, 3:44:20 PM3/7/13
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Ok, assuming that you are serious about reading womens’ contribution to the national security debate in the US (I don’t pay any attention to Canada, which, I think, should be the 51st state!!!), you should Google Trudi Rubin of Philadelphia Inquirer; Barbara Starr of CNN (she is excellent on Defense matters), and Martha Raddatz of ABC News (she has been to Afghanistan and Iraq more than many top military officials).  I don’t care much for her analysis; I like to watch her interview top US military officials.

1.      Fatema Mernissi of Morocco is absolutely first rate, but she writes on Islam.  I haven’t read anything by her lately, however.  I also like Ayesha Siddqua of Pakistan.   She has written one of the two best books on Pakistani military, the other being the book by Shuja Nawaz.  Consequently, she has remained permanently on her country’s military’s shit list.

I will pass on other names as they come to mind.

In all seriousness, I don’t pay attention to the gender issue.  I only look for what kind of a quality material any writer is producing.  Just on the downside, I just read a long piece be a female former FSO.  It is full of shit, to put it nicely.  The essay on the alleged presence of AQ in Bosnia.   She was soiling the reputation of Izebegovic based not on her personal work or interviews, but relying on two authors, who are at least as much of Islamophobes as she is.  You can Google, “Bosnia and global jihad.  It is by Lebl.

This should keep you busy.  And, yes, I will send you my bill!

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Ali Shaheen

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Mar 7, 2013, 5:00:42 PM3/7/13
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Many thanks Farida - I  have great respect for Asghar Ali Engineer and a few decades ago had the good fortune of meeting him at a dinner.  BTW the Canadian journalist, Sally Armstrong has just released her new book Ascent of Women which promises to be quite inspirational and is considered a feminist guide to action, including women's voices from Afghanistan, Kenya, Bosnia etc.   

Do look after yourself.  I burnt out and developed major health problems while doing political and community work, so please be sure to practice some self care.  May I suggest a multivitamin, additional B complex and at least 500 mg of vitamin C daily, to help with the stress, in case you are not doing this already.  If you enjoy music, that helps too.  Just so you know, I had a really short fuse while I was burning out and losing my health :).  
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Taj Hashmi

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Mar 7, 2013, 5:00:55 PM3/7/13
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Shirin Mazari of Pakistan is very good -- she writes on South asian security issues. America's Homeland Security is a phony issue, the Congress, Pentagon, Neo-cons and often the White House whips up the monster to justify invasions of distant countries or to justify billions of dollars of defence expenditure.

TH

Subject: RE: Some Aspects of the Muslim Educational System in Pre-Colonial India
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 15:44:20 -0500

Ehsan Ahrari

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Mar 7, 2013, 5:06:59 PM3/7/13
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I never liked much of what she wrote many years ago. I have not read anything by her lately.  I purposely did not include her in my recommendation.  I disagree with you on homeland security; the issue is much too complicated than what you describe.

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Ali Shaheen

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Mar 7, 2013, 5:52:57 PM3/7/13
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Geez!  You really enjoy pissing people off don't you!  I'll have you know that during the War of 1812, when you yanks tried to take over Canada, we beat your pants off right here in Toronto.  In fact we even drove you back all the way to Washington and burned down the White House.  That was enough to teach you guys to NEVER, EVER even THINK about making us a 51st. state.  We are very happy with our medicare, don't have race riots, don't have gated communities, we don't go around with a sense of entitlement to the world's resources nor do we act like the schoolyard bully :).  No wonder your draft dodgers sought asylum here.  And we saved your skin when the Ayatullah took you hostage - and you ungrateful wretches make a movie giving all the credit to CIA in a typical example of American "fairness" - talk about the Ugly American!!!!!!

BTW am familiar with Mernissi and Ayesha Siddiqua, but will you please, please stop speed reading!!!!!  What made you assume that I wanted to read women's contributions to national security issues?  I asked you to include their perspectives in your work instead of focusing on men, men, men - to use your own words.  But feel free to ignore women's perspectives if you will - it's your loss really. 

Bill?!! What bill?  You'll have to go to a Collection Agency I'm afraid :)
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Taj Hashmi

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Mar 7, 2013, 7:57:11 PM3/7/13
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Thanks Shaheen for tackling this Hydrabadi Yankee Doodle -- Canada is after all Canada! What am I doing here in the US? Just enlightening and educating some of them. And always enjoy the difference whenever I compare anything -- yes anything -- of Canada with the US.

TH


Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 17:52:57 -0500

Subject: Re: Some Aspects of the Muslim Educational System in Pre-Colonial India

Ehsan Ahrari

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Mar 7, 2013, 8:05:20 PM3/7/13
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Canada will always be an afterthought, Tazooooooooooo.  That is why you are not only here, but also acquired residency, and will trade your you know what to keep it.

 

As for me, this is what I have to say everyone who badly needs to take a chill pill and develop some sense of humor:

 

Mera neelgun asma bekrana

 

Translate that for your Bengali friends using your tooti phooti Asami Urdu!

 

Cheers and pensées heureuses

 

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Ali Shaheen

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Mar 8, 2013, 3:48:51 PM3/8/13
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You know I forgot to mention the Underground Railroad and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms!  You have my sympathies Taj but the next time you and Neelufar come home we'll walk down to Fort York and raise a toast (okay you can bring wine, I'll bring my water) to the War of 1812.  Whenever my American cousins get too big for their boots I take them there to gloat :).  In the meantime, place your right hand over your heart and join me:

Oh Canada! Our home and native land
True Patriot Love in Everyone (okay "in all thy sons" grumble grumble) Command
With glowing hearts we see thee rise 
The true North strong and free
From far and wide Oh Canada 
We stand on guard for thee

God keep our land
Glorious and free
Oh Canada we stand on guard for thee
Oh CA NA DA we stand on   guard   for   thee (drumroll please!)
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