Re: Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region independent - ABC, CBS, NBC and New York Times

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MUJIB'S SURRENDER: WESTERN MEDIA WOULDN'T KNOW BETTER THAN TAJUDDIN OR ASM RABB

If people who were intimate and remained close to Mujib until the last few moments, such as Tajuddin or AS Rabb, who said Mujib didn't declare independence until the last moment, Then Mujib didn't declare independence.

Mujib in his house refused to sign a simple paper by Tajuddin, Mujib also refused Rabb to his request sign a one page UDI. Mujib was rather found hiding in the closet dressed up to surrender. Mujib knew he he signed the UDi, he could have been easily hanged. A cunning man indeed. If this is true, it is certain that Mujib didn't declare independence.

The mentioned clandestine radio that is mentioned in many western media, is the radio where Zia declared independence.

Don't forget, Zia finally declared the UDI on behalf of Mujib. Please don't mention only apple (Western media) as the only fruit without also mentioning orange (Mujib's deputies). They are fruits, both are sources of information. A bad habit indeed to cherry picking to say we should only trust Western media..

Mujib was rather found hiding in the closet, dressed up to surrender.

2018-04-05 0:25 GMT-04:00 Mannan Sarkar <sarkar...@yahoo.com>:

FOREIGN RELATIONS OF THE UNITED STATES, 1969–1976, VOLUME XI, SOUTH ASIA CRISIS, 1971

Source: https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v11/d11

11. Minutes of Washington Special Actions Group Meeting1

Washington, March 26, 1971, 3:03–3:32 p.m.

SUBJECT

• Pakistan

PARTICIPATION

• Chairman—Henry A. Kissinger
• State
  • Mr. U. Alexis Johnson
  • Mr. Christopher Van Hollen
• Defense
  • Mr. David Packard
  • Mr. James H. Noyes
• CIA
  • Mr. Richard Helms
  • Mr. David Blee
• JCS
  • Lt. Gen. Melvin Zais
  • Col. Frank W. Rhea
• NSC Staff
  • Col. Richard T. Kennedy
  • Mr. Harold H. Saunders
  • Mr. Sam Hoskinson
  • Mr. Keith Guthrie

SUMMARY OF CONCLUSIONS

After reviewing the situation in East Pakistan, the WSAG agreed that the U.S. should continue its policy of non-involvement in the dispute between West and East Pakistan. In particular, the U.S. should avoid being placed in a position where it could be accused of having encouraged the break-up of Pakistan. The WSAG agreed that the U.S. should delay action on any request that might be forthcoming for recognition of an independent East Pakistani regime.

The WSAG agreed that the State Department should be responsible for monitoring developments in Pakistan on a day-to-day basis and for insuring that the White House is fully informed. The State Department should insure that adequate preparations have been made to evacuate U.S. citizens should that become necessary.

Mr. Helms: [1 line of source text not declassified] the situation in the area of the Consulate General is very quiet but that an enormous fire has been going on for hours in the old part of the city. Very few shots or explosions have been heard. Only two of the Consulate personnel had been able to get to the Consulate building by 6:30 p.m.

[1 line of source text not declassified] Mujibur Rahman was taken into custody at 1:00 p.m. by the martial law authorities. Two of his supporters were killed when the arrest took place. [2 lines of source text not declassified]

[1½ lines of source text not declassified] They say that Yahyaʼs speech Friday2 night has to be heard to appreciate the venom in his voice as he described Mujibur Rahman. The fat is in the fire. Islamabad confirms that Mujibur Rahman was successfully arrested.

It is unclear what caused the collapse of the talks.

Dr. Kissinger: Yesterday it looked as though an agreement were in sight.

[Page 25]

Mr. Helms: Yes, an agreement appeared near on March 24. The breakdown may have been because of Mujibur Rahmanʼs insistence on the immediate lifting of martial law.

A clandestine radio broadcast has Mujibur Rahman declaring the independence of Bangla Desh. There are 20,000 loyal West Pakistani troops in East Pakistan. There are also 5,000 East Pakistani regulars and 13,000 East Pakistani paramilitary troops, but their loyalty is doubtful. We cannot confirm Indian press reports that a large number of Pakistani troops landed by ship. Six C–130s carrying troops were supposed to be going from Karachi to Dacca today. It will take them a long time, since they have to go via Ceylon.

There are 700 potential U.S. evacuees in Dacca and 60 or 70 in Chittagong. There has been no request for evacuation yet.

[1 paragraph (1½ lines of source text) not declassified]

Dr. Kissinger: I have no idea what caused the breakdown in talks. I was as much surprised as anyone else.

Mr. Van Hollen: One possible reason was that Yahya was unable to sell the settlement in West Pakistan. Another factor was the killing of twenty people and the resultant rise in tension.

Dr. Kissinger: Had the compromise3 [under discussion between Yahya and Mujibur Rahman]4 gone through, the next step toward independence couldnʼt have been prevented. That being the case, I donʼt understand why Mujibur Rahman wouldnʼt accept the compromise.

[omission in the source text] Will Bhutto become the dominant figure in the West?

Mr. Van Hollen: Possibly there will be a backlash in the West against Bhutto because it was he who forced Yahya to postpone the constituent assembly.

Dr. Kissinger: What do you think is going to happen?

Mr. Van Hollen: An effort will be made to prevent secession. However, the ability of the West Pakistani forces to maintain law and order in East Pakistan over the long run approaches zero. They may be able to control Dacca, but the Awami leadership will move to the countryside.

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Dr. Kissinger: Do you think the Awami will organize a resistance?

Mr. Van Hollen: They began to prepare for it last month.

Dr. Kissinger: If their leaders are arrested, can they continue?

Mr. Van Hollen: Yes, because of the tremendous popular sentiment behind them. After all, they won 160 out of 162 of the Assembly seats from East Pakistan in the election.

Dr. Kissinger: Then the prognosis is for civil war resulting eventually in independence or for independence fairly quickly.

(STILL NO MENTION OF ZIA ANYWHERE ABOVE)

Foreign Relations of the United States, 1969–1976, Volume XI, South Asia Crisis, 1971 - Office of the Historian

Foreign Relations of the United States, 1969–1976, Volume XI, ... history.state.gov 3.0 shell

On Saturday, March 31, 2018, 7:30:21 AM PDT, DeEldar <shahd...@gmail.com> wrote:

We already know that critical fact. As much as these BNP chellas would like to rewrite the history with giving the credit of declaring the independence to Zia, very little evidence is being provided to back-up their preposterous claim. Zia was not even a member of Awami league, nor was he even leading Awami league or NAP (Bhasani). He came from no where but wanted to claim the grand prize? So, lies need to be propagated. And these liars are still throwing dust to people's eyes to confuse and concur. I have no extra love for Awamis but what we need is the real truth and not BNP invented truth. Zia did not bring Bangladesh independence.

2018-03-30 23:22 GMT-04:00 Mannan Sarkar <sarkar...@yahoo.com>:

(To Be Noted: No Mention of Zia anywhere)

Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region independent, CBS, Mar 26, 1971

https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=YUCMCXfscgc

Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region independent, CBS, Mar 26, 1971 - MMR Jalal www.youtube.com Civil war breaks out in Pakistan; West Pakistan Army battles civilians in E. Pakistan; E. Pakistan Leader Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region independent.

Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region Independent Republic, ABC, March 26, 1971

https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=0tQk4r0FtmY

Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region Independent Republic, ABC, March 26, 1971 - MMR Jalal www.youtube.com E. Pakistan Leader Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region Independent Republic; civil war breaks out; West Pakistan rptdly. using full force including tanks to crush ...

Bangladesh - Civil War breaks out between E. and West Pakistan NBC, Mar 26, 1971

https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=KJAD-HnKVM8

Bangladesh - Civil War breaks out between E. and West Pakistan NBC, Mar 26, 1971 -- MMM Jalal www.youtube.com Civil War breaks out between E. and West Pakistan; E. Pakistan feels treated as colony, won major in December elections. West Pakistan President Yahya Khan hasn't ...

২৬শে মার্চের প্রথম প্রহরে বঙ্গ বন্ধুর স্বাধীনতার ঘোষনার বিষয়ে  ১৯৭১ সালের আন্তর্জাতিক নিউজ-মি ডিয়া
LEADER OF REBELS IN EAST PAKISTAN REPORTED SEIZED; Sheik Mijib Arrested After a Broadcast Proclaiming Region's Independence DACCA CURFEW EASED Troops Said to Be Gaining in Fighting in Cities -Heavy Losses Seen

The Pakistan radio announced today that Sheik Mujibur Rahman, the nationalist leader of East Pakistan, had been arrested only hours after he had proclaimed his region independent and after open rebellion was reported in several cities in the East.
New York Times - Mar 27, 1971
http://www.nytimes.com/1971/03 /27/archives/leader-of-rebels- in-east-pakistan-reported- seized-sheik-mijib.html

“The rebel leader Sheikh Mujib arrested.” The paper also added—“The radio Pakistan has declared that, Sheikh Mujib was arrested from his residence, within one hour after he declared the independence of Bangladesh.” (The Evening News, March 26, 1971: Headline news)

“The independence war has begun in East Pakistan. Pakistani soldiers started to crush Bangalee’s independence movement under the leadership of Sheikh Mujib. President Yahya Khan declared Sheikh Mujib the traitor of Pakistan. The declaration of the independent Bangladesh, in the name of Sheikh Mujib, came from a radio station named: “Voice of Bangladesh”. The radio also has issues an order to all Bangalees to follow orders only from the Sheikh Mujib, the leader of the independence.” (The Guardian- March 27, 1971)

“The leader of independence Sheikh Mujib has declared independence of Bangladesh and severe battle is in progress in the eastern part of Pakistan. President Yahya Khan has banned Awami League political party, declared Sheikh Mujib as the traitor of Pakistan and vowed to punish Sheikh Mujib for his crime. ” (The Times of London, March 27, 1971)

BreakUp of Pakistan | Bangladesh BORN by Pakistani INJUSTICE | Rare Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=KJAD-HnKVM8

Bangladesh - Civil War breaks out between E. and West Pakistan NBC, Mar 26, 1971 -- MMM Jalal www.youtube.com Civil War breaks out between E. and West Pakistan; E. Pakistan feels treated as colony, won major in December elections. West Pakistan President Yahya Khan hasn't ...

খবরটি প্রচারিত হয়েছিল মার্কিন যুক্তরাষ্ট্রের এবিসি নিউজে ১৯৭১ সালের ২৬ মার্চ তারিখেই।

প্রথম আলোর এপ্রিল ১, ২০০৯
যুক্তরাষ্ট্রের প্রতিরক্ষা গোয়েন্দা বিভাগের গোপন প্রতিবেদনে বলা হয়েছে, বঙ্গবন্ধু শেখ মুজিবুর রহমান ১৯৭১ সালের ২৬ মার্চ বাংলাদেশের স্বাধীনতার ঘোষণা দিয়েছেন।

এপ্রিল ১, ২০০৯

যুক্তরাষ্ট্রের প্রতিরক্ষা গোয়েন্দা বিভাগের গোপন প্রতিবেদনে বলা হয়েছে, বঙ্গবন্ধু শেখ মুজিবুর রহমান ১৯৭১ সালের ২৬ মার্চ বাংলাদেশের স্বাধীনতার ঘোষণা দিয়েছেন। গোয়েন্দা প্রতিবেদনটি সম্প্রতি যুক্তরাষ্ট্রের মহাফেজখানা থেকে প্রকাশিত হয়। ফলে দেশের বাইরেও ২৬ মার্চ বঙ্গবন্ধুর স্বাধীনতার ঘোষণা দেওয়ার দালিলিক প্রমাণ পাওয়া গেল।

গোয়েন্দা প্রতিবেদনে তারিখ ও সময় লেখা আছে, ২৬ মার্চ ১৯৭১, সময় ১৪টা ৩০। বিষয়: পাকিস্তানে গৃহযুদ্ধ। এতে বলা হয়েছে, ‘এই দিনে শেখ মুজিবুর রহমান পূর্ব পাকিস্তানকে একটি সার্বভৌম ও স্বাধীন গণপ্রজাতন্ত্রী বাংলাদেশ হিসেবে ঘোষণা দিলে পাকিস্তান প্রবলভাবেই গৃহযুদ্ধে জড়িয়ে পড়ে।’

প্রতিবেদনে আরও বলা হয়, ‘ঢাকা ও পূর্বাঞ্চলের অন্যান্য শহরে ভয়াবহ সংঘর্ষ হয়। বেসামরিক নাগরিক ও পুলিশসহ পূর্ব পাকিস্তান রাইফেলসের ১০ হাজার সদস্য পশ্চিম পাকিস্তানের নিয়মিত প্রায় ২৩ হাজার সদস্যের সঙ্গে সংঘর্ষে জড়িয়ে পড়ে। পশ্চিম পাকিস্তান থেকে নৌ ও বিমানে করে নিয়মিত সেনা এনে শক্তি বাড়ানো হয়। কঠোর সামরিক শাসন জারি করে ইসলামাবাদ যেকোনো উপায়ে দেশরক্ষার প্রতিশ্রুতি রক্ষা করে। অনেক লোকের প্রাণহানির আগ পর্যন্ত সম্ভবত এ পদক্ষেপ যৌক্তিক কারণে ব্যর্থ হবে।’

প্রতিবেদনটিতে প্রকাশক হিসেবে জন পাভেলস ও প্রস্তুতকারক হিসেবে জন বি হান্টের নাম লেখা আছে। আওয়ামী লীগের তথ্য ও গবেষণা সম্পাদক নূহ উল আলম লেনিন প্রতিবেদনটি এই প্রতিবেদকের কাছে দেন।

১৯৭১ সালের ২৫ মার্চ প্রেসিডেন্ট ইয়াহিয়া খান ঢাকা ত্যাগের আগে বাংলার মাটি রক্তে রাঙিয়ে দেওয়ার নির্দেশ দিয়ে যান। বঙ্গবন্ধু ইয়াহিয়ার ঢাকা ত্যাগের খবর পান উইং কমান্ডার এ কে খন্দকার ও লে. কর্নেল এ আর চৌধুরীর মাধ্যমে। পরিস্থিতি বুঝতে পেরে বঙ্গবন্ধু ইপিআরের ওয়্যারলেসের মাধ্যমে স্বাধীনতার আনুষ্ঠানিক ঘোষণা পাঠিয়ে দেন। পরদিন ২৬ মার্চ এই ঘোষণা সব থানা ও ইপিআর ক্যাম্পগুলোতে পৌঁছে যায়। শাহজাদপুর থানার তৎকালীন ওসি আবদুল হামিদ ওই বার্তাটি পান।

এ ছাড়া স্বাধীনতার ঘোষণাপত্র যা ১৯৭১ সালের ১০ এপ্রিল গৃহীত হয়, তাতে বলা আছে, ‘বঙ্গবন্ধু শেখ মুজিবুর রহমান জনগণের আত্মনিয়ন্ত্রণাধিকার অর্জনের আইনানুগ অধিকার প্রতিষ্ঠার জন্য ১৯৭১ সালের ২৬ মার্চ ঢাকায় যথাযথভাবে স্বাধীনতা ঘোষণা করেন, বাংলাদেশের অখণ্ডতা ও মর্যাদা রক্ষার জন্য বাংলাদেশের জনগণের প্রতি আহ্বান জানান, এবং ………’

ঘোষণাপত্রে বলা আছে, ‘এতদ্বারা আমরা আরও সিদ্ধান্ত ঘোষণা করিতেছি যে, শাসনতন্ত্র প্রণীত না হওয়া পর্যন্ত বঙ্গবন্ধু শেখ মুজিবুর রহমান প্রজাতন্ত্রের রাষ্ট্রপ্রধান এবং সৈয়দ নজরুল ইসলাম উপরাষ্ট্রপ্রধান পদে অধিষ্ঠিত থাকিবেন, এবং …

 

 

জনাব স্পীকার : এই হাউসের সামনে যে প্রস্তাব ছিল তা সংশোধনের পরে যে আকারের হয়েছে, আমি তা পড়ে শোনাচ্ছি। সংশোধিত প্রস্তাব হচ্ছে :
“বঙ্গবন্ধুর আহ্বানে ও আওয়ামী লীগের নেতৃত্বে ঐতিহাসিক স্বাধীনতা সংগ্রামে বাংলাদেশের যে বিপ্লবী জনতা, কৃষক, শ্রমিক, ছাত্র, যুবক, বুদ্ধিজীবী, বীরাঙ্গনা, প্রতিরক্ষা বিভাগের বাঙ্গালীরা, সাবেক ই. পি. আর পুলিশ, আনসার, মুজাহিদ ও রাজনৈতিক নেতা ও কর্মী ও বীর মুক্তিযোদ্ধারা নিজেদের রক্ত দিয়ে আমাদের স্বাধীনতা অর্জন করেছেন। আজকের দিনে বাংলাদেশর জনগণের ভোটে যথাযথভাবে নির্বাচিত বাংলাদেশ গণপরিষদের সশ্রদ্ধচিত্তে তাঁদের স্মরণ করছে।
১৯৭১ সালের ২৬ মার্চ বঙ্গবন্ধু শেখ মুজিবুর রহমান স্বাধীনতার যে ঘোষণা করেছিলেন এবং যে ঘোষণা মুজিব নগর থেকে ১৯৭১ সালের ১০ই এপ্রিল স্বীকৃত ও সমর্থিত হয়েছিল এই সঙ্গে এই গণপরিষদ তাতে একাত্মতা প্রকাশ করছে।
স্বাধীনতা সনদের মাধ্যমে যে গণপরিষদ গঠিত হয়েছিল আজ সে সনদের সঙ্গেও এ পরিষদ একাত্মতা ঘোষণা করছে।
এক্ষণে এই পরিষদ বাংলাদেশের সাড়ে সাত কোটি মানুষের আশা-আকাক্সক্ষার সেই সব মূর্ত আদর্শ, যথা, জাতীয়তাবাদ, গণতন্ত্র, সমাজতন্ত্র ও ধর্মনিরপেক্ষতা, যা শহীদান ও বীরদের স্বাধীনতা সংগ্রামে আত্মত্যাগে উদ্বুদ্ধ করেছিল, তার ভিত্তিতে দেশের জন্য একটি উপযুক্ত সংবিধান প্রণয়নের দায়িত্ব গ্রহণ করছে।”
বাংলাদেশ গণপরিষদ [১০ এপ্রিল, ১৯৭২]

 

 

এই ক্ষেত্রে খোদ টিক্কা খানের বয়ানটারে আমার বেশী অথেনটিক লাগে। কেনো মুজিব সইরা যান নাই তার যথার্থ উত্তরটা আছে এইখানে :

“I knew very well that a leader of his stature would never go away leaving behind his countrymen. I would have made a thorough search in every house and road in Dhaka to find out Sheikh Mujib. I had no intention to arrest leaders like Tajuddin and others. That is why they could leave Dhaka so easily.”
Then Tikka Khan said more in a very firm voice, “in case we failed to arrest Sheik Mujib on that very night, my force would have inflicted a mortal blow at each home in Dhaka and elsewhere in Bangladesh. We probably would have killed crores of Bangalees in revenge on that night alone.” (Interview by Musa Sadik, which took place in 1976 when Gen. Tikka Khan was the then Governor of Punjab, Published in the ‘News From Bangladesh’ on march 28, 2000) 

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Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's action of starting his non-co-operation movement is an act of treason. He and his party have defied the lawful authority for over three weeks. They have insulted Pakistan's flag and defiled the photograph of the Father of the Nation. They have tried to run a parallel Government. They have created turmoil, terror and insecurity.
TEXT OF YAHYA'S BROADCAST on March 26, 1971
https://profile-of-bengal.com/ history/liberation-war/dossier /march-26-1971-yahyas-broadcas t/

[rashed Anam]

1. The Western Media/govt  reports are merely the report on Zia's declaration which Zia had made on behalf of Mujib.  There is no reason for the western media to parse the narrative of who made the declaration and for whose behalf. 

2. No  Western media/govt reports  could refer to the Mujib's exact declaration 

3.  If Mujib had made the declaration, where is it? How come there is  NO record of it ? Where is Mujib's broadcast copy?  Who declared Mujib's declaration in Radio ?  How come no one had heard of it ? 

4. If Mujib had written a declaration draft for 26th March, who did he give it ? How come Mujib did not give such draft to any of his  leading political associates such as Taj Uddin, Dr. Kamal, Syed Najrul Islam etc? 

5. Why revision/re-creating of  history after 46 years? Had Mujib made those declaration would not they be known after 1971 ? Why there was no controversy about it then ? Why now ?  Because of One-party BAKSAL's attempt to  take over everything about Bangladesh ? 

My earlier email on it.....

1. Upon hearing a rumor that his newly wedded bride is pink  in complexion (due to pink makeup) , one 'HadaRam'  asked around the  known-and-unknown wedding guests  about it.  As some of them affirmed such pink rumor the HadaRam spent the rest of his married life believing his wife was indeed a pine one, never thinking of asking his wife or checking out himself the source of the object, his wife in his own house.  

The half educated, dimwit, imbecile like this BAKSALI Dictator's Chamcha Suhash Borua/Mannan Sarkar  seem to have become the poster boys of 'Little knowledge is Dangerous".  In his attempt to defile, impair and infringe our history and honor of our national hero, and freedom fighter, they are searching and using references  totally in the other end of the world away from the sources, instead of inquiring and using local sources that are directly involved.  There are numerous Bangladeshi historians and freedom fighters who have corroborated Zia'a account. Zia himself said about what he did. 

2.   Even in the US diplomatic telegram,   it was clearly mentioned that the declaration was made  ' in the name of Mujib'.   It's a well known public knowledge by now that Ziur Rahman made the proclamation twice , one on the 26th and the next one on the 27th March. On the 26th one, he did not mention Mujib's name. Fearing that it may be construed as army coup and not representing Bangladeshi nationalism as political freedom fight, he made the 2nd proclamation on the 27th using the term "on behalf of our great leader Sheikh Mujibur Rahaman". This is precisely what was meant in the US telegram. 

3. The western news media reports that the imbecile Suhash refers are merely western news reports  saying Mujib declared independence because Zia had already declared it on behalf of Mujib. So  theoretically speaking it's  Mujib declaration made and decided by Zia.  Zia had taken it upon himself to do so since Mujib was no where near to be found for the declaration as he was too busy surrendering and asking fellow leaders to flee.    The objective of the news report was to convey the news of  a independence fight. The objective of the news reports was not to established who did it, on behalf of whom etc. historical accounts. The Wall street journals and NY Times were not any direct parties to the fight. Awami leaders such as TajUddin, other freedom fighters  and sector commanders such as AK Khondokar  were the direct actors who were involved. We take their accounts. 

4. The Awami master country and Dada's motherland  India who was directly involved in the Bangladesh's struggle for freedom, itself says that Zia declared the independence. 

Zia introduced as the first president and first to declare independence of Bangladesh in Indian National Museum

http://www.ourtimebd.com/beta/2017/11/21/zia-introduced-as-the-first-president-and-first-to-declare-independence-of-bangladesh-in-indian-national-museum/

5. Listen yourself in Major Zia's own voice the declaration of independence . What better evidence you need than the horse's mouth that had declared it.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h9RJs5xkCs&t=56s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCCXTa9WZYM&t=2s

6. Tajuddin, the closest person to Mujib and AwamiLeague's 2nd highest person. According to him he went to Mujib to record the declaration but Mujib refused . 

"In the evening of 25 March, Mujib convened a meeting of senior Bengali nationalist leaders, including Tajuddin Ahmad and Colonel M A G Osmani, at his residence in Dhanmondi. They were briefed by Bengali insiders within the military of an impending crackdown and asked Mujub to declare independence for them to record it. But Mujib declined to do so fearing punishment from the government for treason. He ordered all leaders to flee to India. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_of_Bangladeshi_Independence

6.   Mujib wanted autonomy , not independence. See the interview yourself. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHx9qmLhmro

7.  " মেজর রফিক-উল ইসলাম বীরউত্তম, মুক্তিযুদ্ধের এক নম্বর সেক্টর কমান্ডার (১১ জুন থেকে ১৬ ডিসেম্বর ১৯৭১) তার লেখা গ্রন্থে লিখেছেন : ‘২৭ মার্চের বিকেলে তিনি (মেজর জিয়া) আসেন মদনাঘাটে এবং স্বাধীন বাংলা বেতার কেন্দ্র থেকে ঘোষণা দান করেন। প্রথমে তিনি নিজেকে রাষ্ট্রপ্রধান রূপে ঘোষণা করেন। পরে তিনি শেখ মুজিবুর রহমানের পক্ষে স্বাধীনতার ঘোষণা দিয়েছেন। কেন তিনি মত পরিবর্তন করেন তার ব্যাখ্যাও দিয়েছেন মেজর রফিক-উল ইসলাম। একজন সামরিক কর্মকর্তা নিজেকে রাষ্ট্রপ্রধান রূপে ঘোষণা দিলে এই ‘আন্দোলনের রাজনৈতিক চরিত্র’ (Political Character of the Movement) ক্ষতিগ্রস্ত হতে পারে এবং স্বাধীনতার জন্য এই গণ-অভ্যুত্থান সামরিক অভ্যুত্থান রূপে চিত্রিত হতে পারে, এই আশঙ্কায় দেশপ্রেমিক মেজর জিয়া শেখ মুজিবুর রহমানের নামে ঘোষণা দিলেন। তা শ্রুত হয় ২৮ মার্চ থেকে ৩০ মার্চ পর্যন্ত (Rafiq-ul-Islam, A Tale of Millions, Dhaka. BBI, 1981)। মেজর রফিক বর্তমানে জাতীয় সংসদের একজন নির্বাচিত সদস্য। এর আগে ১৯৯৬-২০০১ সময়কালে দীর্ঘদিন আওয়ামী লীগ সরকারের স্বরাষ্ট্রমন্ত্রী রূপে তিনি দায়িত্ব পালন করেন।" 

8. "৩ নম্বর সেক্টরের কমান্ডার মেজর কে এম সফিউল্লাহ, বীরউত্তম, তাঁর গ্রন্থে—Bangladesh At War (Dhaka, Academic publishers, 1989) ৪৩-৪৫ পৃষ্ঠায় যা লিখেছেন তা উল্লেখযোগ্য। তিনি লিখেছেন : মেজর জিয়া ২৫ মার্চের রাত্রিতে পাকিস্তান সামরিক বাহিনীর বিরুদ্ধে সদলবলে বিদ্রোহ ঘোষণা করেন, তার কমান্ডিং অফিসার জানজুয়া ও অন্যদের প্রথমে গ্রেফতার এবং পরে হত্যা করে, পাকিস্তান বাহিনীর বিরুদ্ধে যুদ্ধ ঘোষণা করেন। পরে ২৬ মার্চে তিনি স্বাধীনতার ঘোষণা দিয়ে পাকিস্তান সামরিক বাহিনীর মোকাবিলার জন্য সবাইকে আহ্বান করেন। এই ঘোষণায় তিনি নিজেকে রাষ্ট্রপ্রধান রূপে ঘোষণা করেন। ২৭ মার্চ মেজর জিয়া স্বাধীন বেতার কেন্দ্র থেকে আরেকটি ঘোষণায় বলেন : ‘বাংলাদেশ মুক্তিবাহিনীর সামরিক সর্বাধিনায়ক রূপে আমি মেজর জিয়া শেখ মুজিবুর রহমানের পক্ষে বাংলাদেশের স্বাধীনতা ঘোষণা করছি’ [ `Major Zia, Provisional Commander-in-Chief of the Bangladesh Liberation Army, hereby proclaim, on behalf of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, the Independence of Bangladesh' ]। তিনি আরো বলেন, ‘আমরা বিড়াল-কুকুরের মতো মরবো না, বরং বাংলা মায়ের যোগ্য সন্তান রূপে (স্বাধীনতার জন্যে) প্রাণ দেব। ইস্ট বেঙ্গল রেজিমেন্ট, ইস্ট পাকিস্তান রাইফেলস এবং সমগ্র পুলিশ বাহিনী চট্টগ্রাম, কুমিল্লা, সিলেট, যশোহর, বরিশাল, খুলনায় অবস্থিত পশ্চিম পাকিস্তানি সৈনিকদের ঘিরে ফেলেছে। ভয়ঙ্কর যুদ্ধ অব্যাহত রয়েছে।’ মেজর সফিউল্লাহর অভিব্যক্তি এক্ষেত্রে উল্লেখযোগ্য। তার মতে, এই ঘোষণা দেশে এবং বিদেশে স্বাধীনতা সংগ্রামীদের উদ্দীপ্ত করে। যারা ব্যক্তিগত ও বিচ্ছিন্নভাবে যুদ্ধে রত ছিলেন এই ঘোষণা তাদের নৈতিক বল ও সাহসকে বহু গুণ বাড়িয়ে দেয়। অন্যরাও এই যুদ্ধে শামিল হন।"

9. মেজর সুবিদ আলী ভূঁইয়া, মেজর জেনারেল (অব.) তার লিখিত—মুক্তিযুদ্ধে নয় মাস গ্রন্থের ৪৩-৪৪ পৃষ্ঠায় (ঢাকা, আহমদ পাবলিশিং হাউস, ১৯৭২) লিখেছেন, ‘মেজর জিয়াকে ২৭ মার্চের সন্ধ্যায় দেখে উত্সাহ-উদ্দীপনায় ফেটে পড়ল বেতার কেন্দ্রের কর্মীরা। ঘণ্টা দেড়েক চেষ্টার পর তিনি তাঁর সেই ঐতিহাসিক ভাষণটি তৈরি করে নিজেই সেটি ইংরেজি ও বাংলায় পাঠ করেন। মেজর জিয়া ওই ভাষণে নিজেকে ‘হেড অব দি স্টেট’ অর্থাত্ রাষ্ট্রপ্রধান রূপেই ঘোষণা করেছিলেন। কিন্তু তার পরের দিন আগের দেয়া বেতার ভাষণটির সংশোধন করে তিনি ঘোষণা দেন যে এই মুক্তিযুদ্ধ তিনি চালিয়ে যাচ্ছেন মহান নেতা শেখ মুজিবুর রহমানের পক্ষে।

10. কর্নেল অলি আহমদ, বীরবিক্রম, অক্সফোর্ড বুকস বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ে তার পিএইচডি অভিসন্দর্ভের অনুবাদ গ্রন্থে-রাষ্ট্র বিপ্লব : সামরিক বাহিনীর সদস্যবৃন্দ এবং বাংলাদেশের মুক্তিযুদ্ধ (ঢাকা, অন্বেষা প্রকাশন, ২০০৮) আরো সুস্পষ্টভাবে বলেছেন, ‘মেজর জিয়া ২৭ মার্চ ১৯৭১ কালুরঘাট বেতার কেন্দ্র থেকে বাংলাদেশের স্বাধীনতা ঘোষণা করেন। মেজর জিয়া ছিলেন আমাদের নেতা এবং বাংলাদেশের প্রথম অস্থায়ী রাষ্ট্রপতি’ (মুখবন্ধ)। অলি আহমদ তখন ছিলেন একজন ক্যাপ্টেন। সেই ঐতিহাসিক ঘোষণার সময় তিনি মেজর জিয়ার সঙ্গেই ছিলেন।

11. "কর্নেল অলি আহমদ তার অভিসন্দর্ভ রচনার জন্যে সাক্ষাত্কার গ্রহণ করেন ৮ জন শীর্ষ পর্যায়ের সামরিক কর্মকর্তার। তাদের সবাই বলেছেন, ১৯৭১ সালের ২৭ মার্চে জিয়াউর রহমান প্রদত্ত স্বাধীনতার ঘোষণা তারা শুনেছেন। সেক্টর নম্বর ৫-এর কমান্ডার তত্কালীন মেজর এবং পরবর্তীতে লেফটেন্যান্ট জেনারেল মীর শওকত আলী, বীরউত্তম বলেন, অষ্টম বেঙ্গল রেজিমেন্টের কমান্ডার জিয়াউর রহমান বিদ্রোহ ঘোষণা করলে এবং পরে স্বাধীনতা যুদ্ধের ডাক দিলে আমি সানন্দে যুদ্ধে যোগদান করি (পৃষ্ঠা ১৬৬, ১৬৭, ১৭১)। ১১ নম্বর সেক্টরের কমান্ডার (১৫ নভেম্বর থেকে ১৬ ডিসেম্বর) ফ্লাইট লেফটেন্যান্ট এম হামিদুল্লাহ খান লেখকের সঙ্গে এক সাক্ষাত্কারে বলেন : ‘১৯৭১ সালের ২৫ মার্চে মেজর জিয়ার সদলবলে বিদ্রোহ এবং ২৭ মার্চে স্বাধীনতার ঘোষণা স্বাধীন বাংলাদেশের গতিপথ নির্ধারণ করে দেয়।’"

12. " Zahur Ahmed Chowdhury, the Awami League leader who is propagated to have received the Sheikh’s ‘declaration of independence’ at his Chittagong residence, never claimed that he had ever received any such ‘declaration’. In this regard, Muyeedul Hasan, political secretary to Tajuddin Ahmad, the prime minister of the government-in-exile of Bangladesh in 1971, recollects: “As the leaders of Bangladesh were insisting on Indian recognition of Bangladesh, the government of India expressed deep suspicion about any declaration of independence [by the Sheikh]. The Indian authorities concerned asked [the leaders of Bangladesh] whether or not the latter have any proof or document of, or witness to, the declaration of independence. The government of India asked the members of the Bangladesh government-in-exile as well as the rest of the prime leaders of Awami League, including Zahur Ahmed Chowdhury, whether or not Sheikh Mujibur Rahman had told them anything [about independence]. All of them told the Indian authorities that he did not tell anyone about the declaration of independence.” (Muyeedul Hassan, in Muktijudhher Purbapor, p 30)

BAKSALI AwamiLeague Mujib had used Telegram over EPR to declare independence,  on the dreadful night of March 25 and that too over the EPR wireless system. The entire EPR had been exposed to terrible military assaults by the Pakistan army before the midnight of March 25 while the EPR men had instantly engaged themselves in fighting for lives against the Pakistan army, suggesting that its radio-system might not have been operational till midnight because of the heavy artillery attacks on EPR installations in question."

13.  Had Mujib declared the proclamation , why did not Mujib write about his independence proclamation in his own auto biography ?

14. Why did not Mujib tell about it to his closest political circle like Tajuddin and Dr. Kamal Hossain about  such important declaration ? 

15. No one was able to say how, when  Mujib sent the declaration to whom.   

16.. বাংলদেশের স্বত্তাকে ও দেশকে একক নয়ন্ত্রন ও মালিকানা নিতে চায় এই আওয়ামীলীগ 

As characteristics of BAKSAL AwamiLeague dictatorship , it does not tolerate any credit to any leaders but only to Mujib or AwamiLeague. It wants to own all honor, all credit , all rights to  ONLY itself.  It cannot and does not tolerate other's rightful place and honor due honors. 

 

That's why out of this malice and vengeance Awamileage,

a) Took away Zia's  Rastio Podok from National Museum

b) Took away Zia's name from Zia International Airport

c)  Took away Zia's name from Zia Shishu Park

d) Flooded Bangladesh institutions, museum, bridges, poles , etc. with Mujib name.

e)  They are doctoring/infringing  all publications/videos about Zia with fake/manufactured insertions with MujibAwami propaganda 

And this is yet another step in that continuation of the BAKSALI Propaganda

-RA

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 3:31 AM, <hna...@del.net> wrote:

There are still people who are alive and who had heard the radio
broadcast of Major Zia's Declaration of Independence. All you need is
to talk to people who were alive at that time and do not belong to BNP
or Awami League. You don't need to go searching in ABC's archives for
that. The transcript that I have read below, shows that even Dr.
Kissinger was not aware of the fact at that time why the talks between
Yahia and Mujib broke down. They thought that the talks were successful.
So, you can not really depend on these transcript to build up your
thesis.

On 4/5/2018, "Post Card" <abahar...@gmail.com> wrote:

>MUJIB'S SURRENDER: WESTERN MEDIA WOULDN'T KNOW BETTER THAN TAJUDDIN OR ASM
>RABB
>
>If people who were intimate and remained close to Mujib until the last few
>moments, such as Tajuddin or AS Rabb, who said Mujib didn't declare
>independence until the last moment, Then Mujib didn't declare independence.
>
>Mujib in his house refused to sign a simple paper by Tajuddin, Mujib also
>refused Rabb to his request sign a one page UDI. Mujib was rather found
>hiding in the closet dressed up to surrender. Mujib knew he he signed the
>UDi, he could have been easily hanged. A cunning man indeed. If this is
>true, it is certain that Mujib didn't declare independence.
>
>The mentioned clandestine radio that is mentioned in many western media, is
>the radio where Zia declared independence.
>
>Don't forget, Zia finally declared the UDI on behalf of Mujib. Please don't
>mention only apple (Western media) as the only fruit without also
>mentioning orange (Mujib's deputies). They are fruits, both are sources of
>information. A bad habit indeed to cherry picking to say we should only
>trust Western media..
>
>Mujib was rather found hiding in the closet, dressed up to surrender.
>
>2018-04-05 0:25 GMT-04:00 Mannan Sarkar <sarkar...@yahoo.com>:
>

>> FOREIGN RELATIONS OF THE UNITED STATES, 1969–1976, VOLUME XI, SOUTH ASIA

>> CRISIS, 1971
>> Source: https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v11/d11
>> 11. Minutes of Washington Special Actions Group Meeting1

>> <https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v11/d11#fn:1.5.44.36.8.2>
>> Washington, March 26, 1971, 3:03–3:32 p.m.
>> SUBJECT
>>
>>    - Pakistan
>>
>> PARTICIPATION
>>
>>    - Chairman—Henry A. Kissinger
>>    - State
>>    - Mr. U. Alexis Johnson
>>       - Mr. Christopher Van Hollen
>>    - Defense
>>    - Mr. David Packard
>>       - Mr. James H. Noyes
>>    - CIA
>>    - Mr. Richard Helms
>>       - Mr. David Blee
>>    - JCS
>>    - Lt. Gen. Melvin Zais
>>       - Col. Frank W. Rhea
>>    - NSC Staff
>>    - Col. Richard T. Kennedy
>>       - Mr. Harold H. Saunders
>>       - Mr. Sam Hoskinson
>>       - Mr. Keith Guthrie

>>
>>
>> SUMMARY OF CONCLUSIONS
>>
>> After reviewing the situation in East Pakistan, the WSAG agreed that the
>> U.S. should continue its policy of non-involvement in the dispute between
>> West and East Pakistan. In particular, the U.S. should avoid being placed
>> in a position where it could be accused of having encouraged the break-up
>> of Pakistan. The WSAG agreed that the U.S. should delay action on any
>> request that might be forthcoming for recognition of an independent East
>> Pakistani regime.
>>
>> The WSAG agreed that the State Department should be responsible for
>> monitoring developments in Pakistan on a day-to-day basis and for insuring
>> that the White House is fully informed. The State Department should insure
>> that adequate preparations have been made to evacuate U.S. citizens
>> should that become necessary.
>>
>> Mr. Helms: [1 line of source text not declassified] the situation in the
>> area of the Consulate General is very quiet but that an enormous fire has
>> been going on for hours in the old part of the city. Very few shots or
>> explosions have been heard. Only two of the Consulate personnel had been
>> able to get to the Consulate building by 6:30 p.m.
>>

>> [1 line of source text not declassified] *Mujibur Rahman was taken into

>> custody at 1:00 p.m. by the martial law authorities. Two of his supporters

>> were killed when the arrest took place.* [2 lines of source text not
>> declassified]
>>
>> [1½ lines of source text not declassified] They say that Yahyaʼs speech
>> Friday2
>> <https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v11/d11#fn:1.5.44.36.28.6> night

>> has to be heard to appreciate the venom in his voice as he described
>> Mujibur Rahman. The fat is in the fire. Islamabad confirms that Mujibur
>> Rahman was successfully arrested.
>>
>> It is unclear what caused the collapse of the talks.
>>
>> Dr. Kissinger: Yesterday it looked as though an agreement were in sight.
>> [Page 25]

>> <https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v11/pg_25>

>>
>> Mr. Helms: Yes, an agreement appeared near on March 24. The breakdown may

>> have been because of Mujibur Rahmanʼs insistence on the immediate lifting
>> of martial law.
>>
>> *A clandestine radio broadcast has Mujibur Rahman declaring the

>> independence of Bangla Desh. There are 20,000 loyal West Pakistani troops
>> in East Pakistan. There are also 5,000 East Pakistani regulars and 13,000
>> East Pakistani paramilitary troops, but their loyalty is doubtful. We
>> cannot confirm Indian press reports that a large number of Pakistani troops

>> landed by ship. Six C–130s carrying troops were supposed to be going from

>> Karachi to Dacca today. It will take them a long time, since they have to

>> go via Ceylon.*

>>
>> There are 700 potential U.S. evacuees in Dacca and 60 or 70 in
>> Chittagong. There has been no request for evacuation yet.
>>

>> [1 paragraph (1½ lines of source text) not declassified]

>>
>> Dr. Kissinger: I have no idea what caused the breakdown in talks. I was
>> as much surprised as anyone else.
>>
>> Mr. Van Hollen: One possible reason was that Yahya was unable to sell the
>> settlement in West Pakistan. Another factor was the killing of twenty
>> people and the resultant rise in tension.
>>
>> Dr. Kissinger: Had the compromise3

>> <https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v11/d11#fn:1.5.44.36.48.4> [under

>> discussion between Yahya and Mujibur Rahman]4

>> <https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v11/d11#fn:1.5.44.36.48.8> gone
>> through, the next step toward independence couldnʼt have been prevented.
>> That being the case, I donʼt understand why Mujibur Rahman wouldnʼt

>> accept the compromise.
>>
>> [omission in the source text] Will Bhutto become the dominant figure in
>> the West?
>>
>> Mr. Van Hollen: Possibly there will be a backlash in the West against
>> Bhutto because it was he who forced Yahya to postpone the constituent
>> assembly.
>>
>> Dr. Kissinger: What do you think is going to happen?
>>
>> Mr. Van Hollen: An effort will be made to prevent secession. However, the
>> ability of the West Pakistani forces to maintain law and order in East
>> Pakistan over the long run approaches zero. They may be able to control
>> Dacca, but the Awami leadership will move to the countryside.
>> [Page 26]

>> <https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v11/pg_26>
>>
>> *Dr. Kissinger: Do you think the Awami will organize a resistance?*
>>
>> *Mr. Van Hollen: They began to prepare for it last month.*
>>
>> *Dr. Kissinger: If their leaders are arrested, can they continue?*
>>
>> *Mr. Van Hollen: Yes, because of the tremendous popular sentiment behind

>> them. After all, they won 160 out of 162 of the Assembly seats from East

>> Pakistan in the election.*
>> *Dr. Kissinger: Then the prognosis is for civil war resulting eventually
>> in independence or for independence fairly quickly.*
>> *(STILL NO MENTION OF ZIA ANYWHERE ABOVE)*
>> Foreign Relations of the United States, 1969–1976, Volume XI, South Asia

>> Crisis, 1971 - Office of the Historian

>> <https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v11/d11>
>>
>> Foreign Relations of the United States, 1969–1976, Volume XI, ...
>>
>> history.state.gov 3.0 shell
>> <https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v11/d11>

>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, March 31, 2018, 7:30:21 AM PDT, DeEldar <
>> shahd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> We already know that critical fact. As much as these BNP chellas would
>> like to rewrite the history with giving the credit of declaring the
>> independence to Zia, very little evidence is being provided to back-up
>> their preposterous claim. Zia was not even a member of Awami league, nor
>> was he even leading Awami league or NAP (Bhasani). He came from no where
>> but wanted to claim the grand prize? So, lies need to be propagated. And
>> these liars are still throwing dust to people's eyes to confuse and concur.
>> I have no extra love for Awamis but what we need is the real truth and not
>> BNP invented truth. Zia did not bring Bangladesh independence.
>>
>> 2018-03-30 23:22 GMT-04:00 Mannan Sarkar <sarkar...@yahoo.com>:
>>

>> *(To Be Noted: No Mention of Zia anywhere)*

>>
>> Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region independent, CBS, Mar 26, 1971
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=YUCMCXfscgc

>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUCMCXfscgc>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUCMCXfscgc>

>> Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region independent, CBS, Mar 26, 1971 - MMR

>> Jalal <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUCMCXfscgc>

>> www.youtube.com
>> Civil war breaks out in Pakistan; West Pakistan Army battles civilians in
>> E. Pakistan; E. Pakistan Leader Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region
>> independent.
>> Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region Independent Republic, ABC, March 26,
>> 1971 https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=0tQk4r0FtmY

>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tQk4r0FtmY>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tQk4r0FtmY>

>> Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region Independent Republic, ABC, March 26,

>> 1971 - MMR Jalal <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tQk4r0FtmY>

>> www.youtube.com
>> E. Pakistan Leader Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region Independent
>> Republic; civil war breaks out; West Pakistan rptdly. using full force
>> including tanks to crush ...
>> Bangladesh - Civil War breaks out between E. and West Pakistan NBC, Mar
>> 26, 1971 https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=KJAD-HnKVM8

>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJAD-HnKVM8>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJAD-HnKVM8>

>> Bangladesh - Civil War breaks out between E. and West Pakistan NBC, Mar

>> 26, 1971 -- MMM Jalal <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJAD-HnKVM8>

>> www.youtube.com
>> Civil War breaks out between E. and West Pakistan; E. Pakistan feels
>> treated as colony, won major in December elections. West Pakistan President
>> Yahya Khan hasn't ...

>> ২৬শে মারৠচের পৠরথম পৠরহরে বঙৠগ বনৠধৠর সৠবাধীনতার ঘোষনার বিষয়ে  ১৯৭১ সালের
>> আনৠতরৠজাতিক নিউজ-মি ডিয়া

>> LEADER OF REBELS IN EAST PAKISTAN REPORTED SEIZED; Sheik Mijib Arrested
>> After a Broadcast Proclaiming Region's Independence DACCA CURFEW EASED
>> Troops Said to Be Gaining in Fighting in Cities -Heavy Losses Seen
>>
>> The Pakistan radio announced today that Sheik Mujibur Rahman, the
>> nationalist leader of East Pakistan, had been arrested only hours after he
>> had proclaimed his region independent and after open rebellion was reported
>> in several cities in the East.
>> New York Times - Mar 27, 1971
>>

>> <http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50F10F63A55127B93C5AB1788D85F458785F9>http://www.nytimes.com/1971/03
>> /27/archives/leader-of-rebels- in-east-pakistan-reported-
>> seized-sheik-mijib.html
>> <http://www.nytimes.com/1971/03/27/archives/leader-of-rebels-in-east-pakistan-reported-seized-sheik-mijib.html>
>>
>>
>>
>> “The rebel leader Sheikh Mujib arrested.† The paper also added—“The radio

>> Pakistan has declared that, Sheikh Mujib was arrested from his residence,

>> within one hour after he declared the independence of Bangladesh.† (The

>> Evening News, March 26, 1971: Headline news)
>>

>> “The independence war has begun in East Pakistan. Pakistani soldiers
>> started to crush Bangalee’s independence movement under the leadership of

>> Sheikh Mujib. President Yahya Khan declared Sheikh Mujib the traitor of
>> Pakistan. The declaration of the independent Bangladesh, in the name of

>> Sheikh Mujib, came from a radio station named: “Voice of Bangladesh†. The

>> radio also has issues an order to all Bangalees to follow orders only from

>> the Sheikh Mujib, the leader of the independence.† (The Guardian- March 27,
>> 1971)
>>
>> “The leader of independence Sheikh Mujib has declared independence of

>> Bangladesh and severe battle is in progress in the eastern part of
>> Pakistan. President Yahya Khan has banned Awami League political party,
>> declared Sheikh Mujib as the traitor of Pakistan and vowed to punish Sheikh

>> Mujib for his crime. † (The Times of London, March 27, 1971)

>>
>> BreakUp of Pakistan | Bangladesh BORN by Pakistani INJUSTICE | Rare Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?

>> v=KJAD-HnKVM8 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJAD-HnKVM8>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJAD-HnKVM8>

>> Bangladesh - Civil War breaks out between E. and West Pakistan NBC, Mar

>> 26, 1971 -- MMM Jalal <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJAD-HnKVM8>

>> www.youtube.com
>> Civil War breaks out between E. and West Pakistan; E. Pakistan feels
>> treated as colony, won major in December elections. West Pakistan President
>> Yahya Khan hasn't ...

>> খবরটি পৠরচারিত হয়েছিল মারৠকিন যৠকৠতরাষৠটৠরের ঠবিসি নিউজে ১৯৭১ সালের ২৬
>> মারৠচ তারিখেই।
>>
>> পৠরথম আলোর ঠপৠরিল ১, ২০০৯
>> যৠকৠতরাষৠটৠরের পৠরতিরকৠষা গোয়েনৠদা বিভাগের গোপন পৠরতিবেদনে বলা হয়েছে,
>> বঙৠগবনৠধৠ শেখ মৠজিবৠর রহমান ১৯৭১ সালের ২৬ মারৠচ বাংলাদেশের সৠবাধীনতার
>> ঘোষণা দিয়েছেন।
>>
>> ঠপৠরিল ১, ২০০৯
>> যৠকৠতরাষৠটৠরের পৠরতিরকৠষা গোয়েনৠদা বিভাগের গোপন পৠরতিবেদনে বলা হয়েছে,
>> বঙৠগবনৠধৠ শেখ মৠজিবৠর রহমান ১৯৭১ সালের ২৬ মারৠচ বাংলাদেশের সৠবাধীনতার
>> ঘোষণা দিয়েছেন। গোয়েনৠদা পৠরতিবেদনটি সমৠপৠরতি যৠকৠতরাষৠটৠরের মহাফেজখানা
>> থেকে পৠরকাশিত হয়। ফলে দেশের বাইরেও ২৬ মারৠচ বঙৠগবনৠধৠর সৠবাধীনতার ঘোষণা
>> দেওয়ার দালিলিক পৠরমাণ পাওয়া গেল।
>>
>> গোয়েনৠদা পৠরতিবেদনে তারিখ ও সময় লেখা আছে, ২৬ মারৠচ ১৯৭১, সময় ১৪টা ৩০। বিষয়:
>> পাকিসৠতানে গৃহযৠদৠধ। ঠতে বলা হয়েছে, ‘ঠই দিনে শেখ মৠজিবৠর রহমান পূরৠব
>> পাকিসৠতানকে ঠকটি সারৠবভৌম ও সৠবাধীন গণপৠরজাতনৠতৠরী বাংলাদেশ হিসেবে ঘোষণা
>> দিলে পাকিসৠতান পৠরবলভাবেই গৃহযৠদৠধে জড়িয়ে পড়ে।’
>>
>> পৠরতিবেদনে আরও বলা হয়, ‘ঢাকা ও পূরৠবাঞৠচলের অনৠযানৠয শহরে ভয়াবহ সংঘরৠষ হয়।
>> বেসামরিক নাগরিক ও পৠলিশসহ পূরৠব পাকিসৠতান রাইফেলসের ১০ হাজার সদসৠয পশৠচিম
>> পাকিসৠতানের নিয়মিত পৠরায় ২৩ হাজার সদসৠযের সঙৠগে সংঘরৠষে জড়িয়ে পড়ে। পশৠচিম
>> পাকিসৠতান থেকে নৌ ও বিমানে করে নিয়মিত সেনা ঠনে শকৠতি বাড়ানো হয়। কঠোর
>> সামরিক শাসন জারি করে ইসলামাবাদ যেকোনো উপায়ে দেশরকৠষার পৠরতিশৠরৠতি রকৠষা
>> করে। অনেক লোকের পৠরাণহানির আগ পরৠযনৠত সমৠভবত ঠ পদকৠষেপ যৌকৠতিক কারণে
>> বৠযরৠথ হবে।’
>>
>> পৠরতিবেদনটিতে পৠরকাশক হিসেবে জন পাভেলস ও পৠরসৠতৠতকারক হিসেবে জন বি হানৠটের
>> নাম লেখা আছে। আওয়ামী লীগের তথৠয ও গবেষণা সমৠপাদক নূহ উল আলম লেনিন
>> পৠরতিবেদনটি ঠই পৠরতিবেদকের কাছে দেন।
>>
>> ১৯৭১ সালের ২৫ মারৠচ পৠরেসিডেনৠট ইয়াহিয়া খান ঢাকা তৠযাগের আগে বাংলার মাটি
>> রকৠতে রাঙিয়ে দেওয়ার নিরৠদেশ দিয়ে যান। বঙৠগবনৠধৠ ইয়াহিয়ার ঢাকা তৠযাগের খবর
>> পান উইং কমানৠডার ঠ কে খনৠদকার ও লে. করৠনেল ঠ আর চৌধৠরীর মাধৠযমে। পরিসৠথিতি
>> বৠঠতে পেরে বঙৠগবনৠধৠ ইপিআরের ওয়ৠযারলেসের মাধৠযমে সৠবাধীনতার আনৠষৠঠানিক
>> ঘোষণা পাঠিয়ে দেন। পরদিন ২৬ মারৠচ ঠই ঘোষণা সব থানা ও ইপিআর কৠযামৠপগৠলোতে
>> পৌঠছে যায়। শাহজাদপৠর থানার তৎকালীন ওসি আবদৠল হামিদ ওই বারৠতাটি পান।
>>
>> ঠ ছাড়া সৠবাধীনতার ঘোষণাপতৠর যা ১৯৭১ সালের ১০ ঠপৠরিল গৃহীত হয়, তাতে বলা আছে,
>> ‘বঙৠগবনৠধৠ শেখ মৠজিবৠর রহমান জনগণের আতৠমনিয়নৠতৠরণাধিকার অরৠজনের আইনানৠগ
>> অধিকার পৠরতিষৠঠার জনৠয ১৯৭১ সালের ২৬ মারৠচ ঢাকায় যথাযথভাবে সৠবাধীনতা ঘোষণা
>> করেন, বাংলাদেশের অখণৠডতা ও মরৠযাদা রকৠষার জনৠয বাংলাদেশের জনগণের পৠরতি
>> আহৠবান জানান, ঠবং ………’
>>
>> ঘোষণাপতৠরে বলা আছে, ‘ঠতদৠবারা আমরা আরও সিদৠধানৠত ঘোষণা করিতেছি যে,
>> শাসনতনৠতৠর পৠরণীত না হওয়া পরৠযনৠত বঙৠগবনৠধৠ শেখ মৠজিবৠর রহমান
>> পৠরজাতনৠতৠরের রাষৠটৠরপৠরধান ঠবং সৈয়দ নজরৠল ইসলাম উপরাষৠটৠরপৠরধান পদে
>> অধিষৠঠিত থাকিবেন, ঠবং …
>>
>>
>> জনাব সৠপীকার : ঠই হাউসের সামনে যে পৠরসৠতাব ছিল তা সংশোধনের পরে যে আকারের
>> হয়েছে, আমি তা পড়ে শোনাচৠছি। সংশোধিত পৠরসৠতাব হচৠছে :
>> “বঙৠগবনৠধৠর আহৠবানে ও আওয়ামী লীগের নেতৃতৠবে ঠতিহাসিক সৠবাধীনতা সংগৠরামে
>> বাংলাদেশের যে বিপৠলবী জনতা, কৃষক, শৠরমিক, ছাতৠর, যৠবক, বৠদৠধিজীবী,
>> বীরাঙৠগনা, পৠরতিরকৠষা বিভাগের বাঙৠগালীরা, সাবেক ই. পি. আর পৠলিশ, আনসার,
>> মৠজাহিদ ও রাজনৈতিক নেতা ও করৠমী ও বীর মৠকৠতিযোদৠধারা নিজেদের রকৠত দিয়ে
>> আমাদের সৠবাধীনতা অরৠজন করেছেন। আজকের দিনে বাংলাদেশর জনগণের ভোটে যথাযথভাবে
>> নিরৠবাচিত বাংলাদেশ গণপরিষদের সশৠরদৠধচিতৠতে তাঠদের সৠমরণ করছে।
>> ১৯৭১ সালের ২৬ মারৠচ বঙৠগবনৠধৠ শেখ মৠজিবৠর রহমান সৠবাধীনতার যে ঘোষণা
>> করেছিলেন ঠবং যে ঘোষণা মৠজিব নগর থেকে ১৯৭১ সালের ১০ই ঠপৠরিল সৠবীকৃত ও
>> সমরৠথিত হয়েছিল ঠই সঙৠগে ঠই গণপরিষদ তাতে ঠকাতৠমতা পৠরকাশ করছে।
>> সৠবাধীনতা সনদের মাধৠযমে যে গণপরিষদ গঠিত হয়েছিল আজ সে সনদের সঙৠগেও ঠ পরিষদ
>> ঠকাতৠমতা ঘোষণা করছে।
>> ঠকৠষণে ঠই পরিষদ বাংলাদেশের সাড়ে সাত কোটি মানৠষের আশা-আকাকৠসকৠষার সেই সব
>> মূরৠত আদরৠশ, যথা, জাতীয়তাবাদ, গণতনৠতৠর, সমাজতনৠতৠর ও ধরৠমনিরপেকৠষতা, যা
>> শহীদান ও বীরদের সৠবাধীনতা সংগৠরামে আতৠমতৠযাগে উদৠবৠদৠধ করেছিল, তার
>> ভিতৠতিতে দেশের জনৠয ঠকটি উপযৠকৠত সংবিধান পৠরণয়নের দায়িতৠব গৠরহণ করছে।â€
>> বাংলাদেশ গণপরিষদ [১০ ঠপৠরিল, ১৯৭২]
>>
>>
>> ঠই কৠষেতৠরে খোদ টিকৠকা খানের বয়ানটারে আমার বেশী অথেনটিক লাগে। কেনো মৠজিব
>> সইরা যান নাই তার যথারৠথ উতৠতরটা আছে ঠইখানে :
>>
>> “I knew very well that a leader of his stature would never go away leaving

>> behind his countrymen. I would have made a thorough search in every house
>> and road in Dhaka to find out Sheikh Mujib. I had no intention to arrest
>> leaders like Tajuddin and others. That is why they could leave Dhaka so

>> easily.â€
>> Then Tikka Khan said more in a very firm voice, “in case we failed to

>> arrest Sheik Mujib on that very night, my force would have inflicted a
>> mortal blow at each home in Dhaka and elsewhere in Bangladesh. We probably

>> would have killed crores of Bangalees in revenge on that night alone.â€

>> (Interview by Musa Sadik, which took place in 1976 when Gen. Tikka Khan was

>> the then Governor of Punjab, Published in the ‘News From Bangladesh’ on

>> march 28, 2000)
>>
>> -----------
>> Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's action of starting his non-co-operation movement
>> is an act of treason. He and his party have defied the lawful authority for
>> over three weeks. They have insulted Pakistan's flag and defiled the
>> photograph of the Father of the Nation. They have tried to run a parallel
>> Government. They have created turmoil, terror and insecurity.
>> TEXT OF YAHYA'S BROADCAST on March 26, 1971
>> https://profile-of-bengal.com/ history/liberation-war/dossier
>> /march-26-1971-yahyas-broadcas t/

>> <https://profile-of-bengal.com/history/liberation-war/dossier/march-26-1971-yahyas-broadcast/>
>>
>>
>>
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[rashed Anam]

1. The Western Media/govt  reports are merely the report on Zia's declaration which Zia had made on behalf of Mujib.  There is no reason for the western media to parse the narrative of who made the declaration and for whose behalf. 

2. No  Western media/govt reports  could NOT refer to the Mujib's exact declaration 

3.  If Mujib had made the declaration, where is it? How come there is  NO record of it ? Where is Mujib's broadcast copy?  Who declared Mujib's declaration in Radio ?  How come no one had heard of it ? 

4. If Mujib had written a declaration draft for 26th March, who did he give it to ?  What did he do with the draft ? How come Mujib did not give such draft to any of his  leading political associates such as Taj Uddin, Dr. Kamal, Syed Najrul Islam etc? 

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[hna...@del.net]

There are still people who are alive and who had heard the radio
broadcast of Major Zia's Declaration of Independence. All you need is
to talk to people who were alive at that time and do not belong to BNP
or Awami League. You don't need to go searching in ABC's archives for
that. The transcript that I have read below, shows that even Dr.
Kissinger was not aware of the fact at that time why the talks between
Yahia and Mujib broke down. They thought that the talks were successful.
So, you can not really depend on these transcript to build up your
thesis.


On 4/5/2018, "Post Card" <abahar...@gmail.com> wrote:

>MUJIB'S SURRENDER: WESTERN MEDIA WOULDN'T KNOW BETTER THAN TAJUDDIN OR ASM
>RABB
>
>If people who were intimate and remained close to Mujib until the last few
>moments, such as Tajuddin or AS Rabb, who said Mujib didn't declare
>independence until the last moment, Then Mujib didn't declare independence.
>
>Mujib in his house refused to sign a simple paper by Tajuddin, Mujib also
>refused Rabb to his request sign a one page UDI. Mujib was rather found
>hiding in the closet dressed up to surrender. Mujib knew he he signed the
>UDi, he could have been easily hanged. A cunning man indeed. If this is
>true, it is certain that Mujib didn't declare independence.
>
>The mentioned clandestine radio that is mentioned in many western media, is
>the radio where Zia declared independence.
>
>Don't forget, Zia finally declared the UDI on behalf of Mujib. Please don't
>mention only apple (Western media) as the only fruit without also
>mentioning orange (Mujib's deputies). They are fruits, both are sources of
>information. A bad habit indeed to cherry picking to say we should only
>trust Western media..
>
>Mujib was rather found hiding in the closet, dressed up to surrender.
>
>2018-04-05 0:25 GMT-04:00 Mannan Sarkar <sarkar...@yahoo.com>:
>

>> FOREIGN RELATIONS OF THE UNITED STATES, 1969–1976, VOLUME XI, SOUTH ASIA

>> CRISIS, 1971
>> Source: https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v11/d11
>> 11. Minutes of Washington Special Actions Group Meeting1

>> <https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v11/d11#fn:1.5.44.36.8.2>
>> Washington, March 26, 1971, 3:03–3:32 p.m.
>> SUBJECT
>>
>> - Pakistan
>>
>> PARTICIPATION
>>
>> - Chairman—Henry A. Kissinger
>> - State
>> - Mr. U. Alexis Johnson
>> - Mr. Christopher Van Hollen
>> - Defense
>> - Mr. David Packard
>> - Mr. James H. Noyes
>> - CIA
>> - Mr. Richard Helms
>> - Mr. David Blee
>> - JCS
>> - Lt. Gen. Melvin Zais
>> - Col. Frank W. Rhea
>> - NSC Staff
>> - Col. Richard T. Kennedy
>> - Mr. Harold H. Saunders
>> - Mr. Sam Hoskinson

>> - Mr. Keith Guthrie

>>
>>
>> SUMMARY OF CONCLUSIONS
>>
>> After reviewing the situation in East Pakistan, the WSAG agreed that the
>> U.S. should continue its policy of non-involvement in the dispute between
>> West and East Pakistan. In particular, the U.S. should avoid being placed
>> in a position where it could be accused of having encouraged the break-up
>> of Pakistan. The WSAG agreed that the U.S. should delay action on any
>> request that might be forthcoming for recognition of an independent East
>> Pakistani regime.
>>
>> The WSAG agreed that the State Department should be responsible for
>> monitoring developments in Pakistan on a day-to-day basis and for insuring
>> that the White House is fully informed. The State Department should insure
>> that adequate preparations have been made to evacuate U.S. citizens
>> should that become necessary.
>>
>> Mr. Helms: [1 line of source text not declassified] the situation in the
>> area of the Consulate General is very quiet but that an enormous fire has
>> been going on for hours in the old part of the city. Very few shots or
>> explosions have been heard. Only two of the Consulate personnel had been
>> able to get to the Consulate building by 6:30 p.m.
>>

>> [1 line of source text not declassified] *Mujibur Rahman was taken into

>> custody at 1:00 p.m. by the martial law authorities. Two of his supporters

>> were killed when the arrest took place.* [2 lines of source text not
>> declassified]
>>

>> [1½ lines of source text not declassified] They say that Yahyaʼs speech
>> Friday2

>> <https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v11/d11#fn:1.5.44.36.28.6> night

>> has to be heard to appreciate the venom in his voice as he described
>> Mujibur Rahman. The fat is in the fire. Islamabad confirms that Mujibur
>> Rahman was successfully arrested.
>>
>> It is unclear what caused the collapse of the talks.
>>
>> Dr. Kissinger: Yesterday it looked as though an agreement were in sight.
>> [Page 25]

>> <https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v11/pg_25>

>>
>> Mr. Helms: Yes, an agreement appeared near on March 24. The breakdown may

>> have been because of Mujibur Rahmanʼs insistence on the immediate lifting
>> of martial law.
>>
>> *A clandestine radio broadcast has Mujibur Rahman declaring the

>> independence of Bangla Desh. There are 20,000 loyal West Pakistani troops
>> in East Pakistan. There are also 5,000 East Pakistani regulars and 13,000
>> East Pakistani paramilitary troops, but their loyalty is doubtful. We
>> cannot confirm Indian press reports that a large number of Pakistani troops

>> landed by ship. Six C–130s carrying troops were supposed to be going from

>> Karachi to Dacca today. It will take them a long time, since they have to

>> go via Ceylon.*

>>
>> There are 700 potential U.S. evacuees in Dacca and 60 or 70 in
>> Chittagong. There has been no request for evacuation yet.
>>

>> [1 paragraph (1½ lines of source text) not declassified]

>>
>> Dr. Kissinger: I have no idea what caused the breakdown in talks. I was
>> as much surprised as anyone else.
>>
>> Mr. Van Hollen: One possible reason was that Yahya was unable to sell the
>> settlement in West Pakistan. Another factor was the killing of twenty
>> people and the resultant rise in tension.
>>
>> Dr. Kissinger: Had the compromise3

>> <https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v11/d11#fn:1.5.44.36.48.4> [under

>> discussion between Yahya and Mujibur Rahman]4

>> <https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v11/d11#fn:1.5.44.36.48.8> gone
>> through, the next step toward independence couldnʼt have been prevented.

>> That being the case, I donʼt understand why Mujibur Rahman wouldnʼt

>> accept the compromise.
>>
>> [omission in the source text] Will Bhutto become the dominant figure in
>> the West?
>>
>> Mr. Van Hollen: Possibly there will be a backlash in the West against
>> Bhutto because it was he who forced Yahya to postpone the constituent
>> assembly.
>>
>> Dr. Kissinger: What do you think is going to happen?
>>
>> Mr. Van Hollen: An effort will be made to prevent secession. However, the
>> ability of the West Pakistani forces to maintain law and order in East
>> Pakistan over the long run approaches zero. They may be able to control
>> Dacca, but the Awami leadership will move to the countryside.
>> [Page 26]

>> <https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v11/pg_26>
>>
>> *Dr. Kissinger: Do you think the Awami will organize a resistance?*
>>
>> *Mr. Van Hollen: They began to prepare for it last month.*
>>
>> *Dr. Kissinger: If their leaders are arrested, can they continue?*
>>
>> *Mr. Van Hollen: Yes, because of the tremendous popular sentiment behind

>> them. After all, they won 160 out of 162 of the Assembly seats from East

>> Pakistan in the election.*
>> *Dr. Kissinger: Then the prognosis is for civil war resulting eventually
>> in independence or for independence fairly quickly.*
>> *(STILL NO MENTION OF ZIA ANYWHERE ABOVE)*
>> Foreign Relations of the United States, 1969–1976, Volume XI, South Asia

>> Crisis, 1971 - Office of the Historian

>> <https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v11/d11>
>>
>> Foreign Relations of the United States, 1969–1976, Volume XI, ...
>>
>> history.state.gov 3.0 shell
>> <https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v11/d11>

>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, March 31, 2018, 7:30:21 AM PDT, DeEldar <
>> shahd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> We already know that critical fact. As much as these BNP chellas would
>> like to rewrite the history with giving the credit of declaring the
>> independence to Zia, very little evidence is being provided to back-up
>> their preposterous claim. Zia was not even a member of Awami league, nor
>> was he even leading Awami league or NAP (Bhasani). He came from no where
>> but wanted to claim the grand prize? So, lies need to be propagated. And
>> these liars are still throwing dust to people's eyes to confuse and concur.
>> I have no extra love for Awamis but what we need is the real truth and not
>> BNP invented truth. Zia did not bring Bangladesh independence.
>>
>> 2018-03-30 23:22 GMT-04:00 Mannan Sarkar <sarkar...@yahoo.com>:
>>

>> *(To Be Noted: No Mention of Zia anywhere)*

>>
>> Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region independent, CBS, Mar 26, 1971
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=YUCMCXfscgc

>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUCMCXfscgc>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUCMCXfscgc>

>> Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region independent, CBS, Mar 26, 1971 - MMR

>> Jalal <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUCMCXfscgc>

>> www.youtube.com
>> Civil war breaks out in Pakistan; West Pakistan Army battles civilians in
>> E. Pakistan; E. Pakistan Leader Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region
>> independent.
>> Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region Independent Republic, ABC, March 26,
>> 1971 https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=0tQk4r0FtmY

>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tQk4r0FtmY>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tQk4r0FtmY>

>> Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region Independent Republic, ABC, March 26,

>> 1971 - MMR Jalal <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tQk4r0FtmY>

>> www.youtube.com
>> E. Pakistan Leader Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region Independent
>> Republic; civil war breaks out; West Pakistan rptdly. using full force
>> including tanks to crush ...
>> Bangladesh - Civil War breaks out between E. and West Pakistan NBC, Mar
>> 26, 1971 https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=KJAD-HnKVM8

>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJAD-HnKVM8>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJAD-HnKVM8>

>> Bangladesh - Civil War breaks out between E. and West Pakistan NBC, Mar

>> 26, 1971 -- MMM Jalal <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJAD-HnKVM8>

>> www.youtube.com
>> Civil War breaks out between E. and West Pakistan; E. Pakistan feels
>> treated as colony, won major in December elections. West Pakistan President
>> Yahya Khan hasn't ...

>> ২৬শে মারৠচের পৠরথম পৠরহরে বঙৠগ বনৠধৠর সৠবাধীনতার ঘোষনার বিষয়ে ১৯৭১ সালের
>> আনৠতরৠজাতিক নিউজ-মি ডিয়া

>> LEADER OF REBELS IN EAST PAKISTAN REPORTED SEIZED; Sheik Mijib Arrested
>> After a Broadcast Proclaiming Region's Independence DACCA CURFEW EASED
>> Troops Said to Be Gaining in Fighting in Cities -Heavy Losses Seen
>>
>> The Pakistan radio announced today that Sheik Mujibur Rahman, the
>> nationalist leader of East Pakistan, had been arrested only hours after he
>> had proclaimed his region independent and after open rebellion was reported
>> in several cities in the East.
>> New York Times - Mar 27, 1971
>>

>> <http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50F10F63A55127B93C5AB1788D85F458785F9>http://www.nytimes.com/1971/03
>> /27/archives/leader-of-rebels- in-east-pakistan-reported-
>> seized-sheik-mijib.html
>> <http://www.nytimes.com/1971/03/27/archives/leader-of-rebels-in-east-pakistan-reported-seized-sheik-mijib.html>
>>
>>
>>
>> “The rebel leader Sheikh Mujib arrested.†The paper also added—“The radio

>> Pakistan has declared that, Sheikh Mujib was arrested from his residence,

>> within one hour after he declared the independence of Bangladesh.†(The

>> Evening News, March 26, 1971: Headline news)
>>

>> “The independence war has begun in East Pakistan. Pakistani soldiers
>> started to crush Bangalee’s independence movement under the leadership of

>> Sheikh Mujib. President Yahya Khan declared Sheikh Mujib the traitor of
>> Pakistan. The declaration of the independent Bangladesh, in the name of

>> Sheikh Mujib, came from a radio station named: “Voice of Bangladesh†. The

>> radio also has issues an order to all Bangalees to follow orders only from

>> the Sheikh Mujib, the leader of the independence.†(The Guardian- March 27,
>> 1971)
>>
>> “The leader of independence Sheikh Mujib has declared independence of

>> Bangladesh and severe battle is in progress in the eastern part of
>> Pakistan. President Yahya Khan has banned Awami League political party,
>> declared Sheikh Mujib as the traitor of Pakistan and vowed to punish Sheikh

>> Mujib for his crime. †(The Times of London, March 27, 1971)

>>
>> BreakUp of Pakistan | Bangladesh BORN by Pakistani INJUSTICE | Rare Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?

>> v=KJAD-HnKVM8 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJAD-HnKVM8>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJAD-HnKVM8>

>> Bangladesh - Civil War breaks out between E. and West Pakistan NBC, Mar

>> 26, 1971 -- MMM Jalal <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJAD-HnKVM8>

>> www.youtube.com
>> Civil War breaks out between E. and West Pakistan; E. Pakistan feels
>> treated as colony, won major in December elections. West Pakistan President
>> Yahya Khan hasn't ...

>> “I knew very well that a leader of his stature would never go away leaving

>> behind his countrymen. I would have made a thorough search in every house
>> and road in Dhaka to find out Sheikh Mujib. I had no intention to arrest
>> leaders like Tajuddin and others. That is why they could leave Dhaka so

>> easily.â€
>> Then Tikka Khan said more in a very firm voice, “in case we failed to

>> arrest Sheik Mujib on that very night, my force would have inflicted a
>> mortal blow at each home in Dhaka and elsewhere in Bangladesh. We probably

>> would have killed crores of Bangalees in revenge on that night alone.â€

>> (Interview by Musa Sadik, which took place in 1976 when Gen. Tikka Khan was

>> the then Governor of Punjab, Published in the ‘News From Bangladesh’ on

>> march 28, 2000)
>>
>> -----------
>> Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's action of starting his non-co-operation movement
>> is an act of treason. He and his party have defied the lawful authority for
>> over three weeks. They have insulted Pakistan's flag and defiled the
>> photograph of the Father of the Nation. They have tried to run a parallel
>> Government. They have created turmoil, terror and insecurity.
>> TEXT OF YAHYA'S BROADCAST on March 26, 1971
>> https://profile-of-bengal.com/ history/liberation-war/dossier
>> /march-26-1971-yahyas-broadcas t/

>> <https://profile-of-bengal.com/history/liberation-war/dossier/march-26-1971-yahyas-broadcast/>
>>
>>
>>
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[RANU CHOWDHURY]

Thanks, Rashed Anam, for your forceful rebuttal of the falsehood surrounding the Declaration of Independence of Bangladesh. I fail to understand how many tons of Poitas the Awami/BAKSALis will continue to invent, collect and bestow on Sheikh Mujib to validate his Brahmmanhood?

Below is an old item by Obaid Chowdhury on the issue, for those who have time and patience to read for some additional facts. One may particularly see the piece by Syed Badrul Ahsan of the Daily Star.

Thanks,

RC

Declaration of Independence: The Controversy Continues

Awami leaders never tire of stating that Sheikh Mujibur Rahman made the Unilateral Declaration of Independence (UDI) of Bangladesh before his arrest on the night of March 25, 1971. Even their administration-orchestrated court verdict and the constitutional fixing do not seem to be enough for them.

I do not recall Sheikh Mujib ever claiming to have made the UDI, nor did he deny or contest what then-Major Ziaur Rahman announced from the Chittagong Radio Station on March 27, 1971.

During this past month of March, the Awami-supported electronic media started and ended with one message: Ebarer sangram shwadihinotar sangram. Ebarer sangram amader muktir sangram. …of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman that was delivered on March 7, 1971. It was not a UDI, as some Awami zealots would like to say. . Other than this message, there was nothing shown in the media or said in public as evidence that Mujib had  made the declaration of independence.

In a recent talk show, Awami League leader Tofail Ahmed went a step further. He said (if I heard it correctly), that Sheikh Mujib had prerecorded the UDI, which continued to be announced from midnight of March 25, 1971, and further claimed that many people heard that announcement.  However, Ahmed never mentioned which radio station had made that broadcast. No listener  came forward, either, claiming to have heard Mujib’s recorded voice of independence on the radio. 

Even though Mujib was conducting negotiations with the Pakistani leaders from March 15 onward, he was said to have instructed Tofail and others to prepare for the liberation war. Not only that, Mujib had already arranged with India to provide necessary assistance for shelter and for the conduct of the war for the freedom fighters, Tofail asserted. 

Bangladesh wartime Prime Minister Tajuddin Ahmed met Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi on April 4 and 6, 1971. There was no mention at that time of any prior arrangement between Sheikh Mujib and Indira Gandhi. Tajuddin had to sign a 7-Point agreement--an examination of the agreement will confirm that it was a total sellout--before India committed to help him.

Assuming that, as an alternative option, Mujib made that arrangement with India, in case his negotiations with the Pakistani junta failed --  what arrangement did he make to save the lives of unarmed Bengalis from the military crackdown? The daily arrivals of planes and ships in Dhaka and Chittagong with Pakistani troops and armament were no secret. Nor should the intended purpose of that ominous military buildup have been unclear to him. 

Do Tofail Ahmed and other Awami stalwarts want to imply that Sheikh Mujib allowed the genocide to take place before he decided to declare independence? A declaration nobody heard, at that? 

After the massacre of some 35,000 Bengalis, which was quoted by various international media, Major Ziaur Rahman of 8 Bengal Regiment took a huge risk to make the declaration of independence from the Kalurghat Betar Station on March 27. Millions in Bangladesh and outside heard the broadcast , thanks to a Japanese merchant ship, which picked up the message and relayed it worldwide. For the first time, Bangladeshis got a clear political direction, and started fighting for their independence. Resistance so far, by Bengali military and para-military elements and others, had been  largely for self-defense.  

There were a few versions of UDI in circulation. One said that ASM Abdur Rob, then a revolutionary student leader, coerced Sheikh Mujib to sign the UDI, which had been prepared by Rob  and was then given to the loyal BDR signalers at Peelkhana for transmission to AL leaders in Chittagong. It was unclear, however, how those loyalist elements could transmit the message, when they themselves were under attack by the Pakistanis. Although Rob had appeared in a number of interviews, I never heard him say that Shiekh Mujib made the declaration.

According to Dr. Aftab Ahmed, a former Chatra League leader and a professor at Dhaka University, Tajuddin Ahmed and a few other top AL politicians went to the residence of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman on the night of March 25 with a draft UDI. The supreme leader declined to sign it, on the grounds that the Pakistani leadership would then brand him a traitor. This suggests  that he was still a Pakistani at heart. Additionally, Mujib did not heed the politicians’  repeated requests to leave his residence so that he could lead  the liberation war. 

Mujib was arrested soon afterward . According to most accounts, he surrendered. His family, including today’s Prime Minister Shiekh Hasina, enjoyed the royal treatment provided by the Pakistan military, while the rest of the country was burning, and  people were dying and suffering.  

There is no dearth of evidence  that Sheikh Mujibur Rahman was hopeful for  a resolution of  the constitutional issues, and hopeful that he would soon become the Prime Minister of Pakistan. War and Secession: Pakistan, India, and the Creation of Bangladesh, a well-researched book by Richard Sisson and Leo Rose (1990) has details of the negotiations between the Presidential Team and the Awami League in Dhaka from March 15 to 24, 1971. Sheikh Mujib’s intense desire for  the premiership in Islamabad was noted at every turn.

One may also click on the link below for an article by Syed Badrul Ahsan published in The Daily Star on March 24, 2012. The writer is known to be a diehard Mujib follower.

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=227543

Badrul Ahsan wrote, “On this day (March 24) in 1971, the Awami League leadership stayed busy all morning, working out the finer details of the economy-related issues of a proposed governmental structure for Pakistan. The Awami League still believed that a constitutional way out for a transfer of power from the junta to the elected representatives of the people was possible.” 

At the end of the meeting on March 24, “General Peerzada said that another meeting could take place in the morning the next day, March 25. When Kamal Hossain inquired about the time of the meeting, Peerzada said he would call and let him know.”

“By the evening (on March 25), though, it had become clear to the Awami League that the regime had little intention of transferring power to an elected government.”

Yet, Sheikh Mujibur Rahman waited the whole day for the call from the president. Alas, the “call never came.” But something else struck the innocent Bengalis that night: Operation Searchlight. 

So, where was the opportunity  for Sheikh Mujib to make the UDI, much less pre-record it, as mentioned by Tofail Ahmed?

Lokkho Praner Binimoy (A Tale of Millions) by Major Rafiqul Islam gave some insights into the developments in Chittagong in March 1971. Lieutenant Colonel  M. R. Chowdhury, Major Ziaur Rahman, Captain Rafiqul Islam and others had several secret meetings to decide the course of actions to counter the military buildup in Chittagong. They thought they needed a political blessing for any action, should they deem one necessary against the Pakistanis.

Accordingly, they sent Captain Amin Ahmed Chowdhury to Dhaka to inform the political leadership of the alarming situation, further seeking permission to take countermeasures to save the lives of the Bengalis. The message was conveyed to Sheikh Mujib through Colonel MAG Osmany around March 17 (according to Air Vice Marshal Khandakar, the former Deputy Chief of the Mukti Bahini, on March 23). Reportedly, Mujib angrily retorted that he would not tolerate any military adventurism by the Bengalis when he was talking with the Pakistani leadership to reach  a political solution. A disappointed Captain Amin returned to Chittagong. Amin, now a retired Major General, may speak up.

So, did Sheikh Mujib really make the UDI? Major Rafiq, now an Awami League lawmaker, avoided the question in a talk show sometime back.

Nobody denies the need for a correct portrayal of the history of Bangladesh and its liberation war. If we distort that history  today, in the name of getting it correct, future generations will not condone us, and the perpetrators will be condemned to the dustbin of history. The truth, however, will surface and prevail in time.

“You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.”---Abraham Lincoln.

Obaid Chowdhury

New York, USA

April 4, 2012  

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Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} Re: Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region independent -ABC, CBS, NBC and New York Times

 

1. The Western Media/govt  reports are merely the report on Zia's declaration which Zia had made on behalf of Mujib.  There is no reason for the western media to parse the narrative of who made the declaration and for whose behalf. 

2. No  Western media/govt reports  could NOT refer to the Mujib's exact declaration 

3.  If Mujib had made the declaration, where is it? How come there is  NO record of it ? Where is Mujib's broadcast copy?  Who declared Mujib's declaration in Radio ?  How come no one had heard of it ? 

4. If Mujib had written a declaration draft for 26th March, who did he give it to ?  What did he do with the draft ? How come Mujib did not give such draft to any of his  leading political associates such as Taj Uddin, Dr. Kamal, Syed Najrul Islam etc? 

5. Why revision/re-creating of  history after 46 years? Had Mujib made those declaration would not they be known after 1971 ? Why there was no controversy about it then ? Why now ?  Because of One-party BAKSAL's attempt to  take over everything about Bangladesh ? 

My earlier email on it.....

1. Upon hearing a rumor that his newly wedded bride is pink  in complexion (due to pink makeup) , one 'HadaRam'  asked around the  known-and-unknown wedding guests  about it.  As some of them affirmed such pink rumor the HadaRam spent the rest of his married life believing his wife was indeed a pine one, never thinking of asking his wife or checking out himself the source of the object, his wife in his own house.  

The half educated, dimwit, imbecile like this BAKSALI Dictator's Chamcha Suhash Borua/Mannan Sarkar  seem to have become the poster boys of 'Little knowledge is Dangerous".  In his attempt to defile, impair and infringe our history and honor of our national hero, and freedom fighter, they are searching and using references  totally in the other end of the world away from the sources, instead of inquiring and using local sources that are directly involved.  There are numerous Bangladeshi historians and freedom fighters who have corroborated Zia'a account. Zia himself said about what he did. 

2.   Even in the US diplomatic telegram,   it was clearly mentioned that the declaration was made  ' in the name of Mujib'.   It's a well known public knowledge by now that Ziur Rahman made the proclamation twice , one on the 26th and the next one on the 27th March. On the 26th one, he did not mention Mujib's name. Fearing that it may be construed as army coup and not representing Bangladeshi nationalism as political freedom fight, he made the 2nd proclamation on the 27th using the term "on behalf of our great leader Sheikh Mujibur Rahaman". This is precisely what was meant in the US telegram. 

3. The western news media reports that the imbecile Suhash refers are merely western news reports  saying Mujib declared independence because Zia had already declared it on behalf of Mujib. So  theoretically speaking it's  Mujib declaration made and decided by Zia.  Zia had taken it upon himself to do so since Mujib was no where near to be found for the declaration as he was too busy surrendering and asking fellow leaders to flee.    The objective of the news report was to convey the news of  a independence fight. The objective of the news reports was not to established who did it, on behalf of whom etc. historical accounts. The Wall street journals and NY Times were not any direct parties to the fight. Awami leaders such as TajUddin, other freedom fighters  and sector commanders such as AK Khondokar  were the direct actors who were involved. We take their accounts. 

4. The Awami master country and Dada's motherland  India who was directly involved in the Bangladesh's struggle for freedom, itself says that Zia declared the independence. 

Zia introduced as the first president and first to declare independence of Bangladesh in Indian National Museum

http://www.ourtimebd.com/beta/2017/11/21/zia-introduced-as-the-first-president-and-first-to-declare-independence-of-bangladesh-in-indian-national-museum/

Zia introduced as the first president and first to declare ... www.ourtimebd.com Arijit Das, Kolkata. The photograph of former President Ziaur Rahman of Bangladesh is described as the first president of Bangladesh in the Indian National Museum, Kolkata.

[Post Card]

MUJIB HATED EDUCATED PEOPLE

(Check his lectures on youtube)

Abid Bahar

Research on the life of Mujib shows that he hated educated people and joked about their incompetency in dealing with

real problems. The reason behind this type of psycho behavior no doubt derives from him succeeding in life early in life a muscleman and later on becoming the "father-of the nation" without having any real education. He had his BA exam written by one Mazharul Islam of Kutubdia of Chittagong, a good friend of Mujib. While at Dhaka University Mujib was fined for his unstudent like behavior. When he failed to pay the fine, he was even expelled from the university. Isn't it the same type of behavior we see in his Chatro League followers.

Remember, after the liberation war, back from Pakistan, he had introduced the auto pass system. Interestingly, Hasina had completed her graduation by taking advantage of the auto pass system.

Hero-worshipping is one of the characteristics of fascism. So, if the "father of the nation," a model figure/ an exemplary figure can climb to that level, from being a muscleman to the "father of the nation," what is wrong with his followers in getting into corruption, killing the opposition members, vanishing the opposition to stay in power, or having fake certificate to become a teacher? After all, these Mujib followers, the so-called teachers are following the example of "father of the nation."

So, we have a problem.

It is truly worrisome to ignore the dead Mujib, who stayed in Pakistan during the entire liberation period when his leadership needed the most and upon his return he introduced fascism in Bangladesh. It is also worrisome to see Mujib's BKSAL fascism continues through Hasina BKSAL 2 fascism of course with Indian help and all in the name of our glorious liberation war in which neither Mujib nor Hasina nor many other spirited Awami collaborators (razakars participated.)

Sad to say, today's Bangladesh is ruled by true Pakistani razakars like Alamgir, Immam, the behai and many others, victimizing the real freedom fighters like Ziaur Rahman. Hasina even calls Ziaur Rahman as the #1 razakar. The point is we have identified the #2 razakar who is Hasina. Tell us who is the #1 razakar?The answer is it was Mujib.

 Mujib voluntarily surrendered to the enemy to keep himself and his family safe. His family was even paid allowance when Pakistani military targeted Bengalis to be slaughtered. Why?

The point is that you can deliver a fiery speech in the presence of a million people but when death rings on the door, even a lion can turn into a pussy cat. Mujib surrendered as if like a pussy cat. For his betrayal, Mujib should have been arrested as soon as he arrived in Bangladesh from his hijrat to Pakistan. Check the facts to understand the fiction.

[RANU CHOWDHURY]

 

 কিছু লোক হঠাৎ এত পাকিস্তানী তথ্য নির্ভর হয়ে গেল কেন বুঝতে পারলাম না। যুদ্ধের সময় পাকিস্তান হাজারো বাকোয়াস বকেছে। তাদের কথায় মুক্তি যোদ্ধারা ছিল দুষ্কৃতিকারী! 

তবে স্বাধীনতার ঘোষণা হয়েছিল এবং তা হয়েছিল চট্টগ্রাম থেকে, মেজর জিয়াউর রহমানের কণ্ঠে। মুজিবের পক্ষে বললেও, তিনিই করেছিলেন প্রথম ঘোষণাটি। এটা মেনে নিতে কিছু লোকের এত গাত্রদাহ কেন তা আমার বোধগম্য নয়। সত্য সত্যই। 

নিউ ইয়র্ক টাইমস নয়া দিল্লী থেকে পাঠানো পাকিস্তানী বার্তার বরাতে ঘোষণার খবরটি ছাপায়। মনে রাখবেন, নিউ ইয়র্কে যখন ২৭ তারিখ, বাংলাদেশে তখন ২৮ তারিখ, অর্থাৎ, চট্টগ্রামের ঘোষণাটি হয়ে গেছে (একটি জাপানী জাহাজ সাথে সাথে তা বহির্বিশ্বে রিলে করে ) এবং তাই শুনেছে। মুজিবের নামে ঘোষণা পরিবর্তন করায়, খবরে মুজিবের নাম দেয়া বিচিত্র নয়। তাছাড়া, মুজিবকে সবাই চেনে, জিয়া তখন কেউ ছিলেন না।  

টনকে টন তথ্য হাজির করে বলা হচ্ছে যে মুজিব স্বাধীনতার ঘোষণা করতে রাজি হন নি, বার বার তাগিদ দেয়া সত্ত্বেও। তাজুদ্দীনকে তিনি সাফ বলে দিয়েছেন যে তা করলে পাকিস্তানিরা তাকে ফাঁসিতে ঝুলিয়ে দিবে। ২৬ শে সে মার্চের (১৯৭১) ইত্তেফাক ও অন্যান্য খবরের কাগজ খুলে দেখুন মুজিব ২৭ শে মার্চ হরতালের ডাক দিয়েছিলেন। তাঁর কথায়, কোন অঘটন ঘটবে না। তাই তাজুদ্দীনকে গিয়ে "নাকে তেল দিয়ে ঘুমোতে" পরামর্শ দিলেন (তাজউদ্দীন নেতা ও পিতা, শারমিন আহমেদ)। অতএব স্বাধীনতার ঘোষণা দেবার সুযোগ কোথায়? যদি ঘোষণাই দিতেন, খুনি ইয়াহিয়া-টিক্কা চক্র মুজিব ও তাঁর পরিবারকে এত জামাই আদর দিয়ে রেখেছিলেন কেন? ওদিকে সারা বাংলাদেশে তারা চালাচ্ছিল হত্যাযজ্ঞ। পুরনো ঢাকার ঘোড়াও তা বিশ্বাস করবে না। 

যুদ্ধকালীন সংবাদে আসা যাক। যুদ্ধের সময়, বিশেষ করে মুক্তি যুদ্ধের সময়, অনেক কিছুই স্বচ্ছ থাকে না। কিছু গুজব, কিছু শোনা কথা আর অনেক কিছুই থাকে বানোয়াট। যেমন, মার্কিন দের ইরাকে WMD. তারও আগে, ১৯৫২ সালে মিথ্যা কমিউনিস্ট আগ্রাসনের দোহাই দিয়ে গণতান্ত্রিক ভাবে নির্বাচিত অতি জনপ্রিয় মোসাদ্দেক সরকারকে উৎখাত। গুয়েতেমালা, এল সালভাদোর, চিলি, গ্রানাডাতেও তাই। অতএব পশ্চিমারা কখন কোন সুরে কার স্বার্থে কথা বলে জানা মুশকিল।সব কিছু বেদবাক্য মেনে নিতে হবে এমন নয়। 

আমাদের মুক্তি যুদ্ধের দু'একটি কথা। এক ভাগিনা মুজিবনগরে এসে হাঁকলেন যে প্রধান মন্ত্রীর পদটি তারই প্রাপ্য। আরেক প্রাদেশিক সাংসদ মেজর জলিলের কাছে গিয়ে দাবি করলেন যে তিনি মেজর জেনারেলের সমকক্ষ, অতএব জলিলকে তার হুকুম মেনে চলতে হবে। জলিল কিছু বলেননি, একটু হাসলেন। তার একজন সহকর্মী এমন একটি বাক্য দিয়ে হাঁক দিলেন যে বেচারা সাংসদের আর টিকিটিও দেখা গেলো না পুরো নয় মাস।  এমন আরো কাহিনী আছে। 

ভাল কথা, আমাদের তথা কথিত দেশপ্রেমীদের কী এটা জানা আছে যে আমেরিকা এখনও বাংলদেশ মুক্তিযুদ্ধকে (পাকিস্তানের বিরুদ্ধে) একটি সন্ত্রাসী কর্মকান্ড মনে করে ? বাংলাদেশ সরকারের কিছু করা উচিত নয় ? 

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Subject: Fw: Fwd: [LA-Discussion] Re: {PFC-Friends} Re: Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region independent -ABC, CBS, NBC and New York Times

 

Get your lies straight:

The Western Media/govt  reports are merely the report on Zia's declaration which Zia had made on behalf of Mujib.  There is no reason for the western media to parse the narrative of who made the declaration and for whose behalf. 

The Pakistan radio announced today that Sheik Mujibur Rahman, the nationalist leader of East Pakistan, had been arrested only hours after he had proclaimed his region independent and after open rebellion was reported in several cities in the East.

https://www.nytimes.com/1971/03/27/archives/leader-of-rebels-in-east-pakistan-reported-seized-sheik-mijib.html

LEADER OF REBELS IN EAST PAKISTAN REPORTED SEIZED - The ... www.nytimes.com NEW DELHI, Saturday, March 27—The Pakistan radio announced today that Sheik Mujibur Rahman, the nationalist leader of East Pakistan, had been arrested only hours after he had proclaimed his region independent and after open rebellion was reported in several cities in the East. In a broadcast ...

11. Minutes of Washington Special Actions Group Meeting/1/ 

Washington, March 26, 1971, 3:03-3:32 p.m

Mr. Helms: [1 line of source text not declassified] the situation in the area of the Consulate General is very quiet but that an enormous fire has been going on for hours in the old part of the city. Very few shots or explosions have been heard. Only two of the Consulate personnel had been able to get to the Consulate building by 6:30 p.m. 

[1 line of source text not declassified] Mujibur Rahman was taken into custody at 1:00 p.m. by the martial law authorities. Two of his supporters were killed when the arrest took place. [2 lines of source text not declassified] 

https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/nixon/xi/45604.htm

So Bangabandhu was arrested after Zia made declaration on his behalf, right?  

There was absolutely no reason for the western media or the US State Department not to mention Zia's name at that point in time.  It only means you have no clue about journalism. Who are you trying to fool or deceive? Not everyone is Islamist.

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>> <https://history.state.gov/his toricaldocuments/frus1969-76v1 1/d11#fn:1.5.44.36.8.2>

>> <https://history.state.gov/his toricaldocuments/frus1969-76v1 1/d11#fn:1.5.44.36.28.6> night

>> <https://history.state.gov/his toricaldocuments/frus1969-76v1 1/d11#fn:1.5.44.36.48.4> [under

>> discussion between Yahya and Mujibur Rahman]4

>> <https://history.state.gov/his toricaldocuments/frus1969-76v1 1/d11#fn:1.5.44.36.48.8> gone

>> <http://select.nytimes.com/gst /abstract.html?res=F50F10F63A5 5127B93C5AB1788D85F458785F9>ht tp://www.nytimes.com/1971/03

>> /27/archives/leader-of-rebels- in-east-pakistan-reported-
>> seized-sheik-mijib.html
>> <http://www.nytimes.com/1971/0 3/27/archives/leader-of-rebels -in-east-pakistan-reported- seized-sheik-mijib.html>
>>
>>
>>
>> “The rebel leader Sheikh Mujib arrested.† The paper also added—“The radio
>> Pakistan has declared that, Sheikh Mujib was arrested from his residence,
>> within one hour after he declared the independence of Bangladesh.† (The
>> Evening News, March 26, 1971: Headline news)
>>
>> “The independence war has begun in East Pakistan. Pakistani soldiers
>> started to crush Bangalee’s independence movement under the leadership of
>> Sheikh Mujib. President Yahya Khan declared Sheikh Mujib the traitor of
>> Pakistan. The declaration of the independent Bangladesh, in the name of
>> Sheikh Mujib, came from a radio station named: “Voice of Bangladesh†. The
>> radio also has issues an order to all Bangalees to follow orders only from
>> the Sheikh Mujib, the leader of the independence.† (The Guardian- March 27,
>> 1971)
>>
>> “The leader of independence Sheikh Mujib has declared independence of
>> Bangladesh and severe battle is in progress in the eastern part of
>> Pakistan. President Yahya Khan has banned Awami League political party,
>> declared Sheikh Mujib as the traitor of Pakistan and vowed to punish Sheikh
>> Mujib for his crime. † (The Times of London, March 27, 1971)
>>
>> BreakUp of Pakistan | Bangladesh BORN by Pakistani INJUSTICE | Rare Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?
>> v=KJAD-HnKVM8 <https://www.youtube.com/watch ?v=KJAD-HnKVM8>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch ?v=KJAD-HnKVM8>

>> Bangladesh - Civil War breaks out between E. and West Pakistan NBC, Mar
>> 26, 1971 -- MMM Jalal <https://www.youtube.com/watch ?v=KJAD-HnKVM8>

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[RANU CHOWDHURY]

কিছু লোক হঠাৎ এত পাকিস্তানী তথ্য নির্ভর হয়ে গেল কেন বুঝতে পারলাম না। যুদ্ধের সময় পাকিস্তান হাজারো বাকোয়াস বকেছে। তাদের কথায় মুক্তি যোদ্ধারা ছিল দুষ্কৃতিকারী! 

তবে স্বাধীনতার ঘোষণা হয়েছিল এবং তা হয়েছিল চট্টগ্রাম থেকে, মেজর জিয়াউর রহমানের কণ্ঠে। মুজিবের পক্ষে বললেও, তিনিই করেছিলেন প্রথম ঘোষণাটি। এটা মেনে নিতে কিছু লোকের এত গাত্রদাহ কেন তা আমার বোধগম্য নয়। সত্য সত্যই। 

নিউ ইয়র্ক টাইমস নয়া দিল্লী থেকে পাঠানো পাকিস্তানী বার্তার বরাতে ঘোষণার খবরটি ছাপায়। মনে রাখবেন, নিউ ইয়র্কে যখন ২৭ তারিখ, বাংলাদেশে তখন ২৮ তারিখ, অর্থাৎ, চট্টগ্রামের ঘোষণাটি হয়ে গেছে (একটি জাপানী জাহাজ সাথে সাথে তা বহির্বিশ্বে রিলে করে ) এবং তাই শুনেছে। মুজিবের নামে ঘোষণা পরিবর্তন করায়, খবরে মুজিবের নাম দেয়া বিচিত্র নয়। তাছাড়া, মুজিবকে সবাই চেনে, জিয়া তখন কেউ ছিলেন না।  

টনকে টন তথ্য হাজির করে বলা হচ্ছে যে মুজিব স্বাধীনতার ঘোষণা করতে রাজি হন নি, বার বার তাগিদ দেয়া সত্ত্বেও। তাজুদ্দীনকে তিনি সাফ বলে দিয়েছেন যে তা করলে পাকিস্তানিরা তাকে ফাঁসিতে ঝুলিয়ে দিবে। ২৬ শে সে মার্চের (১৯৭১) ইত্তেফাক ও অন্যান্য খবরের কাগজ খুলে দেখুন মুজিব ২৭ শে মার্চ হরতালের ডাক দিয়েছিলেন। তাঁর কথায়, কোন অঘটন ঘটবে না। তাই তাজুদ্দীনকে গিয়ে "নাকে তেল দিয়ে ঘুমোতে" পরামর্শ দিলেন (তাজউদ্দীন নেতা ও পিতা, শারমিন আহমেদ)। অতএব স্বাধীনতার ঘোষণা দেবার সুযোগ কোথায়? যদি ঘোষণাই দিতেন, খুনি ইয়াহিয়া-টিক্কা চক্র মুজিব ও তাঁর পরিবারকে এত জামাই আদর দিয়ে রেখেছিলেন কেন? ওদিকে সারা বাংলাদেশে তারা চালাচ্ছিল হত্যাযজ্ঞ। পুরনো ঢাকার ঘোড়াও তা বিশ্বাস করবে না। 

যুদ্ধকালীন সংবাদে আসা যাক। যুদ্ধের সময়, বিশেষ করে মুক্তি যুদ্ধের সময়, অনেক কিছুই স্বচ্ছ থাকে না। কিছু গুজব, কিছু শোনা কথা আর অনেক কিছুই থাকে বানোয়াট। যেমন, মার্কিন দের ইরাকে WMD. তারও আগে, ১৯৫২ সালে মিথ্যা কমিউনিস্ট আগ্রাসনের দোহাই দিয়ে গণতান্ত্রিক ভাবে নির্বাচিত অতি জনপ্রিয় মোসাদ্দেক সরকারকে উৎখাত। গুয়েতেমালা, এল সালভাদোর, চিলি, গ্রানাডাতেও তাই। অতএব পশ্চিমারা কখন কোন সুরে কার স্বার্থে কথা বলে জানা মুশকিল।সব কিছু বেদবাক্য মেনে নিতে হবে এমন নয়। 

আমাদের মুক্তি যুদ্ধের দু'একটি কথা। এক ভাগিনা মুজিবনগরে এসে হাঁকলেন যে প্রধান মন্ত্রীর পদটি তারই প্রাপ্য। আরেক প্রাদেশিক সাংসদ মেজর জলিলের কাছে গিয়ে দাবি করলেন যে তিনি মেজর জেনারেলের সমকক্ষ, অতএব জলিলকে তার হুকুম মেনে চলতে হবে। জলিল কিছু বলেননি, একটু হাসলেন। তার একজন সহকর্মী এমন একটি বাক্য দিয়ে হাঁক দিলেন যে বেচারা সাংসদের আর টিকিটিও দেখা গেলো না পুরো নয় মাস।  এমন আরো কাহিনী আছে। 

ভাল কথা, আমাদের তথা কথিত দেশপ্রেমীদের কী এটা জানা আছে যে আমেরিকা এখনও বাংলদেশ মুক্তিযুদ্ধকে (পাকিস্তানের বিরুদ্ধে) একটি সন্ত্রাসী কর্মকান্ড মনে করে ? বাংলাদেশ সরকারের কিছু করা উচিত নয় ? 

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[Post Card]

Sorry, I had to make some changes in the above write up.

MUJIB HATED EDUCATED PEOPLE

(Check his lectures on youtube)

Abid Bahar

Research on the life of Mujib shows that he hated educated people and joked about their incompetency in dealing with

real problems. The reason behind this type of psycho behavior no doubt derives from him succeeding in life from a muscleman to even become the "father-of the nation" and that without having any real education. He had his BA exam written by one Mazharul Islam of Kutubdia, Chittagong, Mazharuk was a good friend of Mujib. While at Dhaka University Mujib was fined for his unstudent like behavior. When he didn't pay the fine, he was expelled from the university. Isn't it the same type of behavior we see in his Chatro League followers; the organization he built in his own image

Remember, after the liberation war, back from Pakistan, he had introduced the auto pass system. Interestingly, Hasina had completed her graduation by taking advantage of this auto system, it set an example of gaining something without doing any hard work. 

Hero-worshipping is one of the characteristics of fascism. So, if the "father of the nation," a model figure/ an exemplary figure can climb to the highest  level of honor, from being a Sohrowardhy muscleman to the "father of the nation," what is wrong with his followers in getting into corruption, killing the opposition members, vanishing the opposition to stay in power, or having fake certificate to become a teacher? After all, these Mujib followers, the so-called civil servants, bankers, teachers are following the example of "father of the nation."

So, we have a problem. We have the fascism problem in Bangladesh.

It is true and worrisome to ignore the dead Mujib, who stayed in Pakistan during the entire liberation period when his leadership needed the most in Bangladesh and upon his return he introduced one party fascism in Bangladesh. It is also worrisome to see Mujib's BKSAL fascism to continue through Hasina BKSAL 2, of course the latter is using Indian help and all in the name of our glorious liberation war in which neither Mujib nor Hasina nor many other spirited Awami collaborators (razakars of today participated.)

Sad to say, today's Bangladesh is ruled by true Pakistani razakars like Alamgir, Immam, the razakar behai, Shahriar Kabir  and many others. They don't hesitate to victimize the real freedom fighters like Ziaur Rahman. Hasina even calls Ziaur Rahman as the #1 razakar. The point is we have identified the #2 razakar who is Hasina. Tell us who is the #1 razakar?The answer is it was Mujib.

History tells us that Mujib voluntarily surrendered to the enemy to keep himself and his family safe. His family was even paid allowance when Pakistani military targeted Bengalis to be slaughtered. Why?

The point is that you can deliver a fiery speech in the presence of a million people but when death rings on the door, even a lion can turn into a pussy cat. Mujib surrendered as if like a pussy cat hiding in the closet without declaring the UDI. It was a crime Mujib committed, It was a crime of betrayal.  For his betrayal, For this, Mujib should have been arrested as soon as he arrived in Bangladesh from his hijrat to Pakistan. When you have a demagogue, Muscleman becomes the father, he can bring misery for himself and for his unfortunate nation. Check the facts to understand the Awami Indian fiction about Mujib.

[Post Card]

LIKE MUJIB, HASINA'S FASCIST ELECTION STRATEGY

Mehedi Faruq and Nil Akash shared a link.

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[rashed Anam]

Look at the desperation  and total lack of digital or analog logic in the Mannan Sakar's BAKSALI  make-it-yourself-history  attempt. 

He references PAKISTANI RADIO reports as his evidence that Mujib had declared independence !! Imagine that.   Pakistani Radio as part of the dictator regime who had just attacked Bangladesh was supposed to tell truth ?  Was not the Pakistani Radio part of the govt's mouth piece and broadcasting propaganda, lies etc   to justify their attacks on us ? 

What is not to understand about it ?  Surely Pakistan would try to justify arresting Mujib on the ground that we attacked Pakistani, just as the Awami Lig's current  GOOM-KHUN and rampant arrest and denial of democratic rights  are based on many lies about the oppositions . 

He conveniently still not answered my points . Here are they agin. Try to answer them or refute them 

1. The Western Media/govt  reports are merely the report on Zia's declaration which Zia had made on behalf of Mujib.  There is no reason for the western media to parse the narrative of who made the declaration and for whose behalf. 

2. No  Western media/govt reports  could refer to the Mujib's exact declaration . 

3.  If Mujib had made the declaration, where is it? How come there is  NO record of it ? Where is Mujib's broadcast copy?  Who declared Mujib's declaration in Radio ?  How come no one had heard of it ? 

4. If Mujib had written a declaration draft for 26th March, who did he give it to ?  What did he do with the draft ? How come Mujib did not give such draft to any of his  leading political associates such as Taj Uddin, Dr. Kamal, Syed Najrul Islam etc? 

5. Why revision/re-creating of  history after 46 years? Had Mujib made those declaration would not they be known after 1971 ? Why there was no controversy about it then ? Why now ?  Because of One-party BAKSAL's attempt to  take over everything about Bangladesh ? 

-RA

[rashed Anam]

1) Mujib had failed to lead the MUKTI-JUDDHO !!  As leader he should have led the nation in fighting back. He should not have  surrendered  and should not have kept negotiating till 25th March in the hope of becoming PM of Pakistan. 

2) If "escaping"  as so bad why did he ordered his leadership to flee to India ?

3) Leading the Mukti-juddho without surrendering is not escaping.  

4) Did Zia escape ? or Led the fight ?

5) Do you term George Washington as 'escaping' when he led the fight against the British for independence ? Do you term Ho Chi MIn of Vietnam as escaping ?

 

The difference between Mujib and them were that Mujib was blinded by the greed of becoming PM rather than delivering independence to the nation. 

  

-RA

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 10:56 PM, Sen71 <surjo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Mujib did the right thing under the circumstances. Why would he escape from his own country? Had he escaped to India, that would have looked really bad for him and for his followers. A true leader should always be prepared to sacrifice his/her own life than escaping through the back door. He dared the Pakistanis to take him on. That is a sign of great courage. The lower level leaders should run away and organize the resistance.

Even people like Kissinger thought that the independence was inevitable. If there had been a last minute compromise, Bangladesh would have become a free country with very little bloodshed. But that was not to be.

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 1:13 AM, Post Card <abahar...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Post Card]

Mannan sarker could be joy himself. This sarker is both shameless and mean spirited.

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[RANU CHOWDHURY]

Wow, what an idiotic logic! Everything Mujib did was correct and everything others did was foolish. Great!! I don't deny Mujib's contribution in developing an awakening among the Bengalis of then East Pakistan, but many of his actions and blunders cannot be condoned, either. 

May I ask Mr. Sen?

Mujib's negotiation with the military junta to keep Pakistan in tact was right; the Bengali elements in the military, police, BDR, as well as students, teachers  and others clamouring and preparing for independence was wrong! Right?

Mujib's surrender was right; that was the way to achieve independence of Bangladesh! Right?

He averted the gallows for "treason" by not declaring the independence, as per tons of credible accounts. But on return to Bangladesh in January 1971, Mujib claimed that Pakistan was planning to hang him anyway and even dug a grave in front of his cell. What a story!

Mujib's arrangement of safety for self and family members in the face of Pakistani attacks was right; rest of the 70 million Bengalis were wrong by facing the jaws of  the killer hyenas! Right?

Finally, the people did a great wrong, if not blunder, by fighting, sacrificing and winning independence of Bangladesh in Mujib's absence! Right?

In Bangladesh:

Mujib was right to form Rakkhi Bahini and kill nearly 40,000 political opponents! Right?

Mujib was right to make Fourth Amendment making himself the omni powerful President in 11 minutes! Right?

Mujib was right to make Bangladesh into an international bottomless basket case with his party and administration's high handed corruption, and eliminating half a million people in a man-made famine! Right. 

Mujib was right to hold royal style marriages for his sons while the emaciated people fought the dogs in the city garbage for a grub! Right?

Mujib was right to clamp Emergency and rob off people's fundamental rights! Right? 

Mujib was right to make BAKSAL to take the country to a one-party dictatorship! Right?

The list goes on...

A small note: Zia deserted, revolted and made a call for independence. He fought for and won Bangladesh, as did his fellow Bengali soldiers and others for nine months while Mujib and his family enjoyed royal hospitality under killer Yahya-Tikka-Bhutto.  

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Subject: Re: Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region independent - ABC, CBS, NBC and New York Times

 

Zia was a soldier and he deserted his designated Pakistani post. He had no choice but to hide and fight. The same applied to other Awami League leaders. It was planned and executed with Mujib's life being at stake. Had he been killed, the destiny of Bangladesh would not have been any different than total eviction of Pakistanis from East Pakistan. So, that was a very calculated risk. A brave leader should stand on his ground and Mujib exactly followed that cardinal principle.

Comparison with Washington is not a valid one because America is a huge landmass and Brits were not controlling every square feet of that landmass as they did not control every part of India. BTW, Washington was a professional military man. He did not win any election as far as we know?:-) (sarcasm!) Indian Congress leaders and Gandhi did not flee to China to start a guerilla war against the Brits. To add more insult to an injury, Ho Chi Minh was not a Mujib like democratic leader to begin with. He never won any damn democratic election to lead any Vietnamese parliament. He became a guerilla leader with many years of underground work and organizing fighters. That man can't be compared with anybody except another rebel guerilla leader. He never believed in any parliamentary democracy as East/west Pakistanis did. Please read his biography before you make false assumptions.  

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[M. Aleem]

I liked this e-mail from Mr. Sen... Yes, Sheikh Mujib had won the election... that was an outstanding thing... surrendering to Pakistan Army was a nice trick... not declaring independence was another trick .... all tricks brought the Independence of Bangladesh and that's why he was given a hero's grand reception on April 10th, 1972.

The FFs who fought on the ground for 9 months were bunch of stupid, and because of that, we see in newspapers that many FFs pull ricksaw for bread and butter(lobon morich) and some also beg on the street... the country and people who do not know how to value good work will continue that pattern for many years and decades to come...

 

 

 

On Friday, April 6, 2018, 3:58:55 PM EDT, Sen71 <surjo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Logic is not your best forte as far as I see from your posts. Read Washington's and Ho Chi Minh's biographies and their struggle strategies than passing these unintelligent comments. Apples and oranges can't be compared. Mujib won the election and he stood his ground in his own country. None of those other leaders had won any elections. They did not have the same stature and status. They were military men, who resorted to guerilla war to grab their lands. A proper comparison would be current Catalonian independence issue in Spain. 

Mujib was a brave man and he did not surrender to Pakistanis but stood his ground. That is called a very brave leadership. The moment the talk was broken, Bangladesh was an inevitable reality. There was no need for Mujib to flee to the 'most hated country' like India. Had he done so, you people would be criticizing and cursing him for that grave sin.  

[M. Aleem]

High court e je history lekha hoisilo, otar copy koi? Ota ektu post korle valo hoi naa? 

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An important piece of history.
সিকদার গিয়াসউদ্দিন

১৯৭১' সাল। ২৬'শে মার্চ।পাকিস্তান সরকারের রাষ্ট্রদ্রোহ মামলা ও স্বাধীনতার ঘোষনা।

১৯৭১'সাল।অগ্নিঝরা মার্চ।তথাকথিত পূর্ব পাকিস্তান।স্বাধীনতা অর্জনের লক্ষ্যে সারাদেশ উত্তাল।মিছিলের পর মিছিল।চতুর্দিকে গগনবিধারী আওয়াজ।"বীর বাঙালী অস্ত্র ধর-বাংলাদেশ স্বাধীন কর।"কক্সবাজার মহকুমার "রামু থানা"ও এর ব্যতিক্রম নয়।প্রতিটি গ্রামে,মহল্লায়,থানা সদরে মিছিলের পর মিছিলের অন্ত নেই।

৭০'এর নির্বাচনে সমগ্র কক্সবাজার মহুকুমায় পাকিস্তান জাতীয় পরিষদের (Member of National Assembly)নির্বাচনে প্রতিদ্বন্দ্বিতা করেন পিডিপি'র পক্ষে পাকিস্তানের বিখ্যাত পার্লামেন্টারিয়ান(পরে পূর্ব পাকিস্তান শান্তি কমিটির সভাপতি বা অন্যতম নেতা)মৌলভী ফরিদ আহমদ,কনভেনশান মুসলিমলীগের জাফর আলম চৌধূরী(পরে কক্সবাজার মহকুমার শান্তি কমিটির চেয়ারম্যান)এবং নেজামে ইসলামের পক্ষে কেন্দ্রীয় নেতা মৌলানা ছিদ্দিক আহমদ (পরে কেন্দ্রীয় শান্তি কমিটির মেম্বার)আওয়ামীলীগের পক্ষে উপরোক্ত বাঘা বাঘা নেতাদের বিপুল ভোটের ব্যবধানে পরাজিত করেন টেকনাফের সাধারন পরিবারে জন্মগ্রহন করা একজন তরুন মেধাবী উকিল প্রয়াত নূর আহমদ।পরবর্তিতে ১৯৭২'সালে নতুন দল হিসাবে জাসদের আত্মপ্রকাশ ঘটে।তিনি কক্সবাজার জেলা জাসদের নেতৃত্ব দেন।

রামু,উখিয়া,টেকনাফ থেকে প্রাদেশিক পরিষদের নির্বাচনে বিপুল ভোটে জয়লাভ করেন আওয়ামীলীগের ওসমান সরওয়ার আলম চৌধূরী।(পরবর্তিতে রাষ্ট্রদূত প্রয়াত অধ্যক্ষ ওসমান সরওয়ার আলম চৌধূরী কক্সবাজারের ক্ষনজন্মা সমাজসেবকের স্বীকৃতি অর্জন করেন।)
১৯৭১'সালের বঙ্গবন্ধুর ঐতিহাসিক ৭'ই মার্চের ভাষনের পরপরই রামু থানায় ওসমান সরওয়ার আলম চৌধূরী,মোশতাক আহমদ (পাকিস্তান সিভিল সার্ভিসের লোভনীয় চাকুরী ছেড়ে স্বাধীনতা আন্দোলনে যোগ দেন।ঢাকা বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ে অন্যতম মেধাবী ছাত্র হিসাবে পরিচিত ছিলেন।পরবর্তিতে অধ্যাপক,অধ্যক্ষ ও বিশিষ্ট শিক্ষাবিদ হিসাবে সুনাম অর্জন করেন।মোজাফ্ফর আহমদ সমর্থিত ন্যাপের কেন্দ্রীয় নেতা ছিলেন।)এবং রামু খিজারী আদর্শ উচ্চ বিদ্যালয়ের কিংবদন্তি প্রধান শিক্ষক আকতার আহমদসহ সর্বস্তরের জনসাধারণের কাছে সম্মানিত ও গ্রহনযোগ্য ব্যক্তিত্ব আর তরুন নেতৃত্বের সমন্বয়ে সংগ্রাম পরিষদ গঠিত হয়।অবশ্য সংগ্রাম পরিষদ গঠনে কক্সবাজার মহুকুমার আওয়ামীলীগ সভাপতি জোয়ারিয়ানালার আফছার কামাল চৌধূরী আর মহুকুমা ছাত্রসংগ্রাম পরিষদের রামু গর্জনিয়ার তৈয়বউল্লাহ চৌধূরী (ভিপি কক্সবাজার কলেজ)কক্সবাজার টেক পাড়ার ছুরত আলম (সাধারণ সম্পাদক,মহুকুমা ছাত্রলীগ),উখিয়ার দিদারুল আলমচৌধূরী(সভাপতি,মহুকুমা ছাত্রলীগ),রামু মেরোংলোয়ার ওবাইদুল হক,সূমথ বড়ুয়া,দীপক বড়ুয়া সহ যাঁদের নামে মামলা প্রদান করা হয়- সকলেই বিশেষ ভূমিকা পালন করেন।আওয়ামীলীগের মেরুংলোয়ার গোলাম কবিরের ভূমিকা বিশেষ প্রনিধানযোগ্য।তাছাড়াও আজিজ মিয়া,জাফর আলম সিকদার,পরিমল পাল সহ অনেকেই সংগ্রাম কমিটির জন্য কাজ করেন।রামু স্কুলের এস এস সি পরীক্ষার্থীদের মধ্যে নূরুল হক,আবু আহমদ সহ অনেকেই সংগ্রাম কমিটির জন্য নিবেদিত প্রান ছিলো।

৭'ই মার্চের ধারাবাহিকতায় পরবর্তিতে ওসমান সরওয়ার আলম চৌধূরীর স্বার্বিক তত্বাবধানে আনসার কমান্ডার রাজারকুলের আবদুল হকের নেতৃত্বে রামু থানার সকল আনসার বাহিনীকে একত্রিত করে আরও স্থানীয় উৎসাহী তরুনদের সমন্বয়ে রামু স্কুল ময়দানে ক্যাম্প বানিয়ে মুক্তিসংগ্রামের লক্ষ্যে সার্বক্ষনিক প্রশিক্ষনের ব্যবস্থা করা হয়।২৩'শে মার্চ "পাকিস্তান দিবসের"পরিবর্তে সারাদেশে"প্রতিরোধ দিবস"আর কেন্দ্রীয় ছাত্রসংগ্রাম পরিষদের ডাকে ঘরে ঘরে বাংলাদেশের পতাকা উড়ানোর সিদ্ধান্তের সাথে রামু থানার সংগ্রাম পরিষদও একাত্মতা ঘোষনা করে।ঐদিন রামু থানায় বাংলাদেশের পতাকা উড়িয়ে দেয়া হয় এবং ঘরে ঘরেও স্বতস্ফূর্তভাবে পতাকা উড়িয়ে দেয়া হয়।প্রতিটি গ্রামে তরুন আর ছোট ছোট ছেলেমেয়েরা বাংলাদেশের পতাকা নিয়ে মিছিল করতে থাকে।অত:পর রামু থানা সংগ্রাম পরিষদের অনুমোদনক্রমে ওসমান সরওয়ার আলম চৌধূরীর সার্বিক তত্বাবধানে সংগ্রাম কমিটির সদস্য এবং আনসার কমান্ডার আবদুল হকের নেতৃত্বে সকল আনসার বাহিনী সহকারে রামু থানা দখল করে অস্ত্রাগার থেকে সকল অস্ত্রশস্ত্র সংগ্রাম কমিটির হেফাজতে রাখার ব্যবস্থা সম্পন্ন হয়।পাক সেনারা রামু দখল করার পর সেখানকার রামুথানার ওসি এস আই শামশুদ্দিন আহমদ পাকিস্তান সরকারের পক্ষে মামলা G.R.100/71.দাখিল ও নথিভূক্ত করেন।তাতে সর্বমোট ৩৫ জনকে এবং২৫/৩০ বিদ্রোহী ইপিআরের কথা উল্লেখিত হয়।মামলাটি তিন পৃষ্টায় লিখিত।

দ্বিতীয় পৃষ্টায় ওসি শামশুদ্দিন আহমদ পাকিস্তান সরকারের পক্ষে লেখেন-"On the morning 26.3.71 the President of Pakistan was pleased to ban Awami league party and suspended all political activities.On the same day it was announced by the Awami league leaders that SK.Mozibur Rahman chief of the said party had declared independence of East Pakistan & named it Swadin Bangladesh."তৃতীয় পৃষ্টায় আসামীদের বিরুদ্ধে আরো যা অভিযোগ আনা হয়েছে-"they also looted away forcibly Govt. and private arms & ammunitions and other Valuable properties on the point of death with heavy arms and ammunitions with a view of waging "WAR"against Islami republic of Pakistan and its valiant armed forces.

মুক্তিযূদ্ধ মন্ত্রণালয়ে কিংবা মুক্তিযূদ্ধ যাদুঘরে এই রাষ্ট্রদ্রোহ মামলার (G.R.100/71)কপি তথা এই দলিলটা আছে কিনা জানিনা।আমাদের বাংলাদেশের স্বাধীনতার ঘোষনাকে কেন্দ্র করে গোয়েবলসীয় জঘন্য মিথ্যাচারের বিরুদ্ধে এটিও একটি দলিল নয় কি?আমাদের মুক্তিযুদ্ধ মন্ত্রণালয় ও মুক্তিযুদ্ধ যাদুঘর আগামী প্রজন্মের ইতিহাসবেত্তা ও সন্তান সন্ততির স্বার্থে এটি সংরক্ষন করবে সেটা আশা করা যায়।

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Subject: Re: Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region independent - ABC, CBS, NBC and New York Times

 

“Mujib was a brave man and he did not surrender to Pakistanis but stood his ground. “

Ha ha, as if Mr. SEN lived with Mujib, there are people still alive who lived closely with Mujib and knows him from his college life. If someone warship him, that’s individual choice. DON’T IMPOSE ON OTHERS. To me Mujib was a Cowardly mischievous and selfish individual with loud voice. He had no love or affection or any respect for the nation

Razzak A. Syed

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Well Said Mr. Ranu Chowdhury !!! 

-RA

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Thanks, Rashed Anam. Yet, cannot come close to your articulation in virtually any issue. 

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Well Said Mr. Ranu Chowdhury !!! 

-RA

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[Rezaul Karim]

"There couldn't have been a better speech than this one at this time."-Yahya Khan

"The concluding part of Mujib's speech bears testimony to the
vascillating and faltering stance of Mujib on that day in particular
and on those days in general. He wanted to work, as much as possible,
within the legal framework of the existing constitution and settle for
a confederation status for East Pakistan rather than complete
independence. A perusal of General (Rtd) Rao Farman Ali's booklet
"Bhutto, Mujib and Bangladesh" supports this view. While Awami League
party henchmen and their sympathizers take highly-bloated pride in the
7th March speech of Sheikh Mujib for being the declaration of
independence, it is interesting to note that Mujib's 7th March speech
was also hailed by Yahya Khan, the erstwhile military ruler of
Pakistan. Upon hearing about the speech, he is said to have commented, "There couldn't have been a better speech than this one at this time."

On the top of that, Pakistan Army did not feel threatened at all at
this. Mujib exchanged words with General Yahya Khan about his 7th
March speech beforehand. Dr. G. W. Choudhury wrote, "While many
people, well ahead of Mujib's 7th March public gathering, hoped to
hear him finally declare independence, Yahya Khan had a lengthy
discussion with Mujib. The tone of voice was still cordial; the two
were still then eager to discuss. Mujib invited Yahya to pay a visit
to Dhaka to see the ready-to-explode plight of Dhaka with his own
eyes. Yahya, in turn, requested Mujib not to take any unretractable
step. “ Mujib did not declare independence on March 7." [Akhondo
Pakistaner Shesh Dingooli (Last Days of Undivided Pakistan) by G.W.
Choudhury, p.152]."

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[Jalal Uddin Khan]

Part I

I'm in complete solidarity with the message of the poems by Dr Taj H, and with Zoglul H Bhai's call for unity in the fight against the Awami fascism, and Captain Razzak S's view of Bangladesh under the grip of the totalitarian hasina regime. While I would like to ask you to stay tuned for the next clip on President Zia, I take the opportunity now to share with you all the following excerpts from Chapter 9, "The Quagmire of Partisan Politics Over the Dead: Controversies Over the Image and Status of Mujib and Zia," (pp.309-346): https://www.amazon.com/Bangladesh-Political-Literary-Reflections-Divided/dp/1433146134:

"No doubt, Mujib was a great, bold, noble, inspiring, arousing, and charismatic pre-and-pro-independence leader. Along with the three other founding fathers of Bangladesh—Hussein Shaheed Suhrawardy, Sher-e-Bangla A K Fazlul Hoque, and Moulana Abdul Hameed Khan Bhashani, all three of whom are now unfortunately neglected, being not remembered as much as they deserve—,[i] Mujib was a legend, a monumental figure, a towering personality, a Himalayan hero, and an Oceanic phenomenon during the 1960s that ultimately led up to the independence of Bangladesh. Both in soul and stature and mind and body, Mujib was as big and broad as the Bay of Bengal. [……...........]"

"All’s Well That Ends Well—that is the name of a comedy by Shakespeare, which contrasts with the tragedy of Mujib’s life. In the case of Mujib, whose saga spanned decades of his political career, all was not well since it did not end well. Many renowned sub-continental politicians—Mujib, Zulfiker Ali Bhutto, Benazir Bhutto, Ziaul Hoque, Mahatma Gandhi, Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi, and Ghulam Azam—all ended unhappily, though all of them began happily and promisingly (with Azam, for instance, having played a great role in the language movement in the late 1940s and early 1950s as a prominent student leader, especially as the twice elected General Secretary of DUCSU—1947–1949). [………………]"

"Mujib’s rise and fall were like the rise and fall of Julius Caesar of Rome, who was once a hugely popular republican and then turned a dictator, to be killed by his own close associates, Brutus and Cassius. Mujib’s tragic fate was similar to the initially rosy and promising French Revolution of 1789, which, with the massacre of thousands and the execution of King Louis XVI and Queen Marie Antoinette in 1793, turned violent in no time, leading to Maximilian Robespierre’s year-long extremely radical “Jacobin” Reign of Terror until July 28, 1794, the day Robespierre himself was guillotined. Mujib’s painful end is comparable to the end of Napoleon, child of the French Revolution, who was one of the greatest and also one of the meanest, as the poet Lord Byron described him, with his spectacular rise and pathetic downfall also directly suggested by Byron’s contemporary P. B. Shelley, in his sonnet on Ozymandias (ancient Egyptian Pharaoh Ramses II, who ruled probably at the time of Prophet Musa/Moses)".[ii]

"The cruel reversal of Mujib’s fortune was like the rise and fall of Shakespeare’s ambitious and tragic character Macbeth, and those of Browning’s Patriot (“It was roses, roses, all the way,/ With myrtle mixed in my path like mad […] For they fling, whoever has a mind/ Stones at me for my year’s misdeeds”) and Tennyson’s politically and symbolically suggestive Eagle (“Ring’d with the azure world, he stands […] And like a thunderbolt he falls”). The tide and ebb of Mujib’s unfortunate career and most of the members of his family were similar to Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Muammar al-Gaddafi of Libya, Zein al-Abedine (Ben Ali) of Tunisia, and Ferdinand Marcos of the Philippines. Mujib’s fate was like that of Czar Nicholas II of Russia and his Romanov family, all unfortunately executed by the Bolshevik revolutionaries in 1918. Bearing the official title of “Emperor and Autocrat of All the Russias” (including Finland and Poland) during his rule as the last emperor of Russia, Nicholas II was also nicknamed by his political opponents as “Nicholas the Bloody” because of his violent political crackdowns and persecutions. […..]"

While Mujib and Zia were the two massive superstars on Bangladesh’s political playground, all the five national leaders mentioned here (as well as Nawab Sir Khwaja Salimullah Bahadur and Syed Nawab Ali Chowdhury) deserve a “High 5” and ought to be paid equal tribute the way (Faruq Mahfuz Anam) James does pay homage to them in his patriotic motherland song, “Amar Sonar Bangla.” "

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[i] http://www.amardeshonline.com/pages/printnews/2013/03/23/193160. মাওলানা ভাষানীর একটি দূর্লভ এক্সক্লুসিভ ভিডিও। স্বাধীনতার স্বপ্নদ্রষ্টা যখন বাঙ্গালীদের স্বাধীনতার স্বপ্ন দেখাচ্ছিলেন, তখন জনতা স্লোগান দিচ্ছিলো “আমাদের জাতীর পিতা- মাওলানা ভাষানী। বাঙ্গালীর জাতীর পিতা- মাওলানা ভাষানী”। https://www.facebook.com/palash88/videos/10205389138287310/

[ii]http://www.drfirozmahboobkamal.com/2011-01-23-21-55-47/1148-chapter-32-shaikh-mujib-and-his-rule-in-foreign-media.html

Part II

Continuing from the previous post on Mujib, here is an excerpt from Chapter 9, "The Quagmire of Partisan Politics Over the Dead: Controversies Over the Image and Status of Mujib and Zia," (pp. 309-346): https://www.amazon.com/Bangladesh-Political-Literary-Reflections-Divided/dp/1433146134:

"While Sheikh Mujib and Ziaur Rahman were the two massive superstars in Bangladesh’s political playground, all the five national leaders (H S Suhrawardy, Sher-e-Bangla A K Fazlul Haq, Mawlana A H K Bhashani, Mujib, and Zia, as well as Nawab Sir Salimullah and Syed Nawab Ali Chowdhury) deserve a “High 5” and ought to be paid equal tribute the way (Faruq Mahfuz Anam) James does pay homage to them in his patriotic motherland song, 'Amar Sonar Bangla.'

"Both Mujib and Zia had a Promethean spark in them. Both died a tragic death; both sacrificed a lot for the country; both shone out and stood out in their own best ways. Both depended on their political means—good or bad, right or wrong—to achieve their otherwise noble ends, not necessarily through the dire straits of state terrorism or the crooked and crafty Machiavellian, Chanakyan, and Lilliputian (low and mean, nasty and nefarious, divisive and despotic) way. However, like the dark shadow at the bottom of the lamp or the spots in the moon or the thorns of the rose, both are thought to have had their negative side too. One remembers William Blake’s:

O Rose, thou art sick.

The invisible worm,

That flies in the night

In the howling storm:

Has found out thy bed

Of crimson joy:

And his dark secret love

Does thy life destroy.

"As the declarer/proclaimer of the independence of Bangladesh and later as the founder of the popular and patriotic Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP), the memory of the great and glorious Zia would always remain illumining and illuminating. He was at the forefront of both the emergence and existence of Bangladesh—first in March 1971 and then in November 1975. In light of his numerous milestone contributions, his incandescent collective vision, and his vigorous pursuit of lofty national goals and ideals, he may be regarded as হাজার বছরের শ্রেষ্ঠ বাংলাদেশী (the greatest Bangladeshi ever, of a thousand years).

"[..........] This is a fact for which Hasina ought to have remained ever thankful to Zia, instead of being, ironically, a deep and dark Ziaphobe and thereby a violent and vindictive BNPhobe. [....] To sum up, President Zia was one of the brightest stars in the political sky of Bangladesh. He was the maker of modern Bangladesh. Unlike Mujib, Zia made the key declaration of the independence of Bangladesh; unlike Mujib (who was sort of “missing in action” and whose family was under the proper care and protection of the Pakistani military), Zia fought in the frontline of the war of independence for nine long months. [....] Zia’s manifold and multifarious contribution was too large to make the people of Bangladesh stay home and not to make them lament hard and loud with shock and surprise at his assassination. They came out in millions to mourn. The mourning by masses was borne out even by the testimony of Zia’s opponents [....]

"Unlike Mujib, Zia never failed and always pushed the country forward progressively and incrementally in a democratic amity and harmony with the people. He was and remains a beacon of hope, success, and achievement. During those critical, chaotic, and crucial November days in 1975, the nation was reborn for the second time under his smart and wise leadership as he had provided equally great warfront leadership when the nation was first born in 1971.

"The record needs to be set straight about one of the greatest sons of the soil, President Gen Zia, whose most heroic and patriotic role in 1971 as well as 1975–1981 was as luminous and illustrious as the sun that shines in the skies of Bangladesh every day. 

The glory that was Zia was the glory that was Bangladesh itself, both being inseparable and synonymous with each other. His name and memory are there to dazzle, radiate, and suffuse over everything Bangladeshi and to dwarf everything contrary down. He was born to win, outshine, and outsmart the negative forces of all kinds and leave a legacy not to be forgotten but to be carved in stone and marked in indelible ink on the pages of history about Bangladesh.

"It is only fitting that Zia is being paid powerful poetical homages on the occasion of his each and every martyrdom anniversary. One example: নও তুমি কোন জাতির পিতা /নও তুমি কোন বংগের বন্ধু/তুমি এই বাংলার সাধারন মানুষের প্রান/তুমি ছিলে সদা মহান/তুমি রেখেছো বাংলাদেশের মান/শহীদ প্রেসিডেনট জিয়াউর রহমান । (as collected from S Akhter’s e-mail post of September 8, 2016). Yet another example is the following poem taken from Selim Anwar’s blog post:

রাখাল রাজা জিয়াউর রহমান স্মরণে

হে অধিনায়ক, হে বিজয়ী বীর

দারুণ এক আহবানে ৭ কোটি বাঙালীরে শক্তি দিয়েছো

সাহস দিয়েছো প্রেরণা দিয়েছো,

করেছো উন্নত শির ।

জীবন বাজি রেখে লড়েছো লড়াই

অসম এক যুদ্ধে

তাই তোমারে কুর্নিশ করে

সকল আবাল-বনিতা-বৃদ্ধে ।

বাঙলা মায়ের সাহসী সন্তান বাংলাকে ভালবেসে

হানাদার বধ কাব্য তুমি লিখেছো কেমনে

ভাবি আজও বসে বসে ।

দেশ যখন অরাজকতায় ,কান্ডারীহীন,

বঙ্গবন্ধু খুনে

আবারও তুমি দাঁড়িয়েছিলে সমুখপানে,

রাষ্ট্রমাতার চরম ক্রান্তি ক্ষনে ।

গনতণ্ত্র ফেরত এলো তোমার দুহাত ধরে

দেশের অর্থনীতি সচল হলো তোমারই যাদুর করে ।

হে বিজয়ী বীর, লও সালাম ,লও ভালবাসা ,লও বিজয়মালা

তোমার সততা দেশপ্রেম আর কীর্তি স্মরি

শ্রদ্ধা লয়ে দিবানিশি সারাবেলা ।

দুঃখে পরাণ যায় বুকটা ফেটে যায়

কেমন করে দানিল আঘাত তোমার সারা গায়

তপ্ত বুলেটে তোমার পিঞ্জরায়

এ সবুজে গায়ের লালি ঢেলে দিলে

তুমি এই বাংলায় ।

দেশের মানুষেরে তুমি পথ দেখিয়েছো স্বপ্ন দিয়েছো

মাথা তুলে দাঁড়াবা

তোমার মরণে লাখ লাখ বাঙালী

তাই কেঁদে হলো জারে জার ।

হৃদয়ে তোমার বাংলাদেশ ছিল, ছিল কমল প্রাণ

কাস্তে-কোদাল হাতে করেছো কাজ,

গেঞ্জি গায়ে সেজেছো শ্রমিকের সাজ

আর কেহ তা পারে নাই

সারা বাঙলার অগণিত লোক তাই স্মরে তোমারে,

তোমারে ভুলে নাই ।

বাংলাদেশী জাতীয়তাবাদ শ্রেষ্ঠ সৃষ্টি তোমার

যার মন্তরে এক হতে পারে সকল নরনারী বাংলার ।

দেশ রত্ন শহীদ প্রেসিডেন্ট জিয়া -উর- রহমান

আজও তাই স্মরি তোমারে দিয়ে মম মন প্রাণ

কীর্তি তোমার থাকবে অমলিন হে দেশপ্রেমী সন্তান,

যতদিন রবে পদ্মা- মেঘনা-যমুনা বহমান । [i]

"Great men are never dead. They never die. They can never be finished and dismissed and done away with, simply because they are physically dead, leaving seemingly divergent legacies to live on behind them. Their lives and memories are always a guide and an inspiration to posterity and future generations, who ought to spare no pains to find a common ground and a common platform on which the views may actually converge with positive differences narrowing the gap rather than diverge with irreconcilable contradictions widening the divide. [...........]"

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[i] http://www.somewhereinblog.net/blog/selimanwar007/29836234 (30 May 2013)

2018-04-08 19:13 GMT+04:00 Sen71 <surjo...@gmail.com>:

A simple announcement did not bring Bangladesh independence. The announcement is very much a secondary act to the prevailing condition in then volatile East Pakistan. Zia can't be crowned as the mastermind of Bangladesh independence because he read something on radio. Who was he? Who did he represent? Pakistanis did not even know who was Zia at that time, let alone his redundant announcement. If Pakistani news is corroborating with rest of the news agencies of then time's ground reality, why that evidence should be discounted? Is that a moronic logic?

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[RANU CHOWDHURY]

Nobody claims that a "simple announcement" did bring Bangladesh independence. Independence of Muslim majority East Bengal (today's Bangladesh) was rooted in Sher-e-Bangla's Lahore Resolution (1940), which was later tampered by Jinnah-Liaquat gang to demand only "one homeland" (Pakistan) for Muslims of India. In addition, there were contributions of Suhrawardi, Maulana Bhasani (who in fact demanded Swadhin Purbo Bangal at the Kagmari Sommelon in 1957), Abul Hashem and score others dedicated leaders. Yet earlier, one cannot ignore what Sir Nawab Salimullah did for the emancipation of the Bengali Muslims. Sheikh Mujibur Rahman arrived at the right time of history to carry forward their message when the deprived people of East Pakistan, spearheaded by the students, were ripe to snatch their rights. Mujib does deserve credit to give leadership at that crucial juncture of our history. But, he was not without controversy, nor was he a simple man; those who worked with him, do testify that. 

Regarding the "simple announcement", I may reiterated that to reach a goal one needs to make the first step, and the announcement was the "first step" that the politicians failed to do. Yes, Ziaur Rahman was a nobody then (March 1971), but standing in the crossroad of history when the Pakistan military machine started massacring the Bengalis, he took it upon himself to do what he thought was the right thing to do. Sadly, those who had peoples mandate, the political leaders, were nowhere to be found then. They went into hiding while some surrendered after ensuring the safety for self and family. 

Also, if that announcement was not that important, why are we fighting about who made it or who read it or when and where it was made?

Again, "simple announcement", or the "first step" was not enough. One needs to follow it through or make further steps to reach the goal. Ziaur Rahman, his colleagues and 300,000 freedom fighters did it. They suffered, they bled and won the victory after nine months. They did not smoke Erin in the comfort of Pakistani safe heaven. 

On Friday, April 7, 2018, 3:13 AM EDT, Sen71 <surjo...@gmail.com> wrote:

A simple announcement did not bring Bangladesh independence. The announcement is very much a secondary act to the prevailing condition in then volatile East Pakistan. Zia can't be crowned as the mastermind of Bangladesh independence because he read something on radio. Who was he? Who did he represent? Pakistanis did not even know who was Zia at that time, let alone his redundant announcement. If Pakistani news is corroborating with rest of the news agencies of then time's ground reality, why that evidence should be discounted? Is that a moronic logic? 

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[Jalal Uddin Khan]

Look before you leap. Read before you comment.  Don't look at an elephant like a blind man. You're a  hasina BAL, so everything anti hasina would look different to you. Don't be a jealous zealot. Only a close minded fanatical hasina BAL fundamentalist like you can say what you said. Everything said in the book has been forcefully corroborated and backed by facts, duly and properly documented and referenced, well-beyond your comprehension and capacity. Many professors endorsed the book, which may have already caused a heartburn in you. Cheer up!

On Apr 8, 2018 10:11 PM, "Sen71" <surjo...@gmail.com> wrote:

I can only congratulate you for writing a book. A professional editing would have given you some credibility as an independent author but the quality is not there. When somebody reads your book, the contents are incoherent, repetitious and redundant. Writing is not an easy work. Edit, edit and more editing makes a good product whether it is based on facts or fictions. The book is not fact based at all by any means except a very one sided opinionated versions of the events of the past. I do not mind people going after the founders but there needs to be some sincerity in that endeavor. A great number of books are available against Gandhi, Nehru, Bose, Zinnah and many other world leaders. That is all good and great! Mujib was also made of flesh and blood.

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[Jalal Uddin Khan]

You are a crook under the name of bolod-marka Surjosen alias Shah daldar alias several other fake names alias your real Hindu low caste Dalit name. You made exactly the same f-shit comment in the same language about 7 years ago under the name of f-shah daldar. That time I recommended that you take a freshman composition course for which I said I was ready to pay. Read the book, even just a page or two everyday as your routine homework, to improve your f-unreadable English to find a job of teaching basic English to immigrants. I'm sure you can at best be a toilet cleaner at the universities where the great professors I'm referring to are teaching. Get lost under your f-fake Dalit worm infested names.

On Apr 9, 2018 1:30 AM, "Sen71" <surjo...@gmail.com> wrote:

What facts are you talking about? Who did review your work? New York Times or Deshi Inqilab? How many books did you sell so far? One to yourself? As for my being envious of your authorship, I say, get some English creative writing course before you write your next paragraph. Most of your endorsing professors would not even find a janitorial job in any third rated universities in the US, let alone in my department. Good luck and get lost!

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[M. Aleem]

What are the qualifications for a janitorial position in a third rated US University?

I would guess from seeing some janitors in my Boston office....

Mexican unauthorized/illegal immigrant

Few words of English expertise

High school dropout for sure, could be elementary dropout

Surely those endorsing professors will never get a janitorial position in any US University... See how truthful Mr. Sen is!

I heard one such adviser of English language courses lives with social welfare... That is a department Mr. Jalal will not qualify either...

Mr. Jalal, bow down to Mr. Sen...

BTW, which Universities are third rated in US?

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On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 5:30 PM, Sen71

<surjo...@gmail.com> wrote:

What facts are you talking about? Who did review your work? New York Times or Deshi Inqilab? How many books did you sell so far? One to yourself? As for my being envious of your authorship, I say, get some English creative writing course before you write your next paragraph. Most of your endorsing professors would not even find a janitorial job in any third rated universities in the US, let alone in my department. Good luck and get lost!

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 3:19 PM, Jalal Uddin Khan <juk...@gmail.com> wrote:

Look before you leap. Read before you comment.  Don't look at an elephant like a blind man. You're a  hasina BAL, so everything anti hasina would look different to you. Don't be a jealous zealot. Only a close minded fanatical hasina BAL fundamentalist like you can say what you said. Everything said in the book has been forcefully corroborated and backed by facts, duly and properly documented and referenced, well-beyond your comprehension and capacity. Many professors endorsed the book, which may have already caused a heartburn in you. Cheer up!

On Apr 8, 2018 10:11 PM, "Sen71" <surjo...@gmail.com> wrote:

I can only congratulate you for writing a book. A professional editing would have given you some credibility as an independent author but the quality is not there. When somebody reads your book, the contents are incoherent, repetitious and redundant. Writing is not an easy work. Edit, edit and more editing makes a good product whether it is based on facts or fictions. The book is not fact based at all by any means except a very one sided opinionated versions of the events of the past. I do not mind people going after the founders but there needs to be some sincerity in that endeavor. A great number of books are available against Gandhi, Nehru, Bose, Zinnah and many other world leaders. That is all good and great! Mujib was also made of flesh and blood.

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Jalal Uddin Khan <juk...@gmail.com> wrote:

Part I

I'm in complete solidarity with the message of the poems by Dr Taj H, and with Zoglul H Bhai's call for unity in the fight against the Awami fascism, and Captain Razzak S's view of Bangladesh under the grip of the totalitarian hasina regime. While I would like to ask you to stay tuned for the next clip on President Zia, I take the opportunity now to share with you all the following excerpts from Chapter 9, "The Quagmire of Partisan Politics Over the Dead: Controversies Over the Image and Status of Mujib and Zia," (pp.309-346): https://www.amaz on.com/Bangladesh-Political-Li terary-Reflections-Divided/dp/ 1433146134:

"No doubt, Mujib was a great, bold, noble, inspiring, arousing, and charismatic pre-and-pro-independence leader. Along with the three other founding fathers of Bangladesh—Hussein Shaheed Suhrawardy, Sher-e-Bangla A K Fazlul Hoque, and Moulana Abdul Hameed Khan Bhashani, all three of whom are now unfortunately neglected, being not remembered as much as they deserve—,[i] Mujib was a legend, a monumental figure, a towering personality, a Himalayan hero, and an Oceanic phenomenon during the 1960s that ultimately led up to the independence of Bangladesh. Both in soul and stature and mind and body, Mujib was as big and broad as the Bay of Bengal. [……...........]"

"All’s Well That Ends Well—that is the name of a comedy by Shakespeare, which contrasts with the tragedy of Mujib’s life. In the case of Mujib, whose saga spanned decades of his political career, all was not well since it did not end well. Many renowned sub-continental politicians—Mujib, Zulfiker Ali Bhutto, Benazir Bhutto, Ziaul Hoque, Mahatma Gandhi, Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi, and Ghulam Azam—all ended unhappily, though all of them began happily and promisingly (with Azam, for instance, having played a great role in the language movement in the late 1940s and early 1950s as a prominent student leader, especially as the twice elected General Secretary of DUCSU—1947–1949). [………………]"

"Mujib’s rise and fall were like the rise and fall of Julius Caesar of Rome, who was once a hugely popular republican and then turned a dictator, to be killed by his own close associates, Brutus and Cassius. Mujib’s tragic fate was similar to the initially rosy and promising French Revolution of 1789, which, with the massacre of thousands and the execution of King Louis XVI and Queen Marie Antoinette in 1793, turned violent in no time, leading to Maximilian Robespierre’s year-long extremely radical “Jacobin” Reign of Terror until July 28, 1794, the day Robespierre himself was guillotined. Mujib’s painful end is comparable to the end of Napoleon, child of the French Revolution, who was one of the greatest and also one of the meanest, as the poet Lord Byron described him, with his spectacular rise and pathetic downfall also directly suggested by Byron’s contemporary P. B. Shelley, in his sonnet on Ozymandias (ancient Egyptian Pharaoh Ramses II, who ruled probably at the time of Prophet Musa/Moses)".[ii]

"The cruel reversal of Mujib’s fortune was like the rise and fall of Shakespeare’s ambitious and tragic character Macbeth, and those of Browning’s Patriot (“It was roses, roses, all the way,/ With myrtle mixed in my path like mad […] For they fling, whoever has a mind/ Stones at me for my year’s misdeeds”) and Tennyson’s politically and symbolically suggestive Eagle (“Ring’d with the azure world, he stands […] And like a thunderbolt he falls”). The tide and ebb of Mujib’s unfortunate career and most of the members of his family were similar to Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Muammar al-Gaddafi of Libya, Zein al-Abedine (Ben Ali) of Tunisia, and Ferdinand Marcos of the Philippines. Mujib’s fate was like that of Czar Nicholas II of Russia and his Romanov family, all unfortunately executed by the Bolshevik revolutionaries in 1918. Bearing the official title of “Emperor and Autocrat of All the Russias” (including Finland and Poland) during his rule as the last emperor of Russia, Nicholas II was also nicknamed by his political opponents as “Nicholas the Bloody” because of his violent political crackdowns and persecutions. […..]"

While Mujib and Zia were the two massive superstars on Bangladesh’s political playground, all the five national leaders mentioned here (as well as Nawab Sir Khwaja Salimullah Bahadur and Syed Nawab Ali Chowdhury) deserve a “High 5” and ought to be paid equal tribute the way (Faruq Mahfuz Anam) James does pay homage to them in his patriotic motherland song, “Amar Sonar Bangla.” "

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[i] http://www.amardeshonline. com/pages/printnews/2013/03/23 /193160. মাওলানা ভাষানীর একটি দূর্লভ এক্সক্লুসিভ ভিডিও। স্বাধীনতার স্বপ্নদ্রষ্টা যখন বাঙ্গালীদের স্বাধীনতার স্বপ্ন দেখাচ্ছিলেন, তখন জনতা স্লোগান দিচ্ছিলো “আমাদের জাতীর পিতা- মাওলানা ভাষানী। বাঙ্গালীর জাতীর পিতা- মাওলানা ভাষানী”। https://www.facebook. com/palash88/videos/1020538913 8287310/

হে বিজয়ী বীর, লও সালাম ,লও ভাল বাসা ,লও বিজয়মালা

তোমার সততা দেশপ্রেম আর কীর্তি  স্মরি

শ্রদ্ধা লয়ে দিবানিশি সারাবেলা  ।

দুঃখে পরাণ যায় বুকটা ফেটে যায়

কেমন করে দানিল আঘাত তোমার সারা  গায়

তপ্ত বুলেটে তোমার পিঞ্জরায়

এ সবুজে গায়ের লালি ঢেলে দিলে

তুমি এই বাংলায় ।

দেশের মানুষেরে তুমি পথ দেখিয়ে ছো স্বপ্ন দিয়েছো

মাথা তুলে দাঁড়াবা

তোমার মরণে লাখ লাখ বাঙালী

তাই কেঁদে হলো জারে জার ।

হৃদয়ে তোমার বাংলাদেশ ছিল, ছিল  কমল প্রাণ

কাস্তে-কোদাল হাতে করেছো কাজ,

গেঞ্জি গায়ে সেজেছো শ্রমিকের সা জ

আর কেহ তা পারে নাই

সারা বাঙলার অগণিত লোক তাই স্ মরে তোমারে,

তোমারে ভুলে নাই ।

বাংলাদেশী জাতীয়তাবাদ শ্রেষ্ঠ সৃ ষ্টি তোমার

যার মন্তরে এক হতে পারে সকল নরনা রী বাংলার ।

দেশ রত্ন শহীদ প্রেসিডেন্ট জিয়া  -উর- রহমান

আজও তাই স্মরি তোমারে দিয়ে মম ম ন প্রাণ

কীর্তি তোমার থাকবে অমলিন হে দে শপ্রেমী সন্তান,

যতদিন রবে পদ্মা- মেঘনা-যমুনা ব হমান । [i]

"Great men are never dead. They never die. They can never be finished and dismissed and done away with, simply because they are physically dead, leaving seemingly divergent legacies to live on behind them. Their lives and memories are always a guide and an inspiration to posterity and future generations, who ought to spare no pains to find a common ground and a common platform on which the views may actually converge with positive differences narrowing the gap rather than diverge with irreconcilable contradictions widening the divide. [...........]"

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[i] http://www.somewhereinblog .net/blog/selimanwar007/298362 34 (30 May 2013)

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Subject: [LA-Discussion] Re: {PFC-Friends} Re: Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region independent -ABC, CBS, NBC and New York Times
Reply-To: la-dis...@googlegroups.com

1. The Western Media/govt  reports are merely the report on Zia's declaration which Zia had made on behalf of Mujib.  There is no reason for the western media to parse the narrative of who made the declaration and for whose behalf. 

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[Jalal Uddin Khan]

Stop sending your f-stupid idiotic comments. I didn't ask for what's nonsense, no better than ugly shit,  coming from you. You have been exposed as a cowardly vermin hiding under Surjosen Shah daldar. Being a Dalit low caste Hindu, you got  neither taste nor capacity for quality. Being a cow dung lover,  what else can you do except hiding under fake names? Shit!

On Apr 9, 2018 3:02 AM, "Sen71" <surjo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Stop sending me excerpts from your book. I did not ask for that rubbish. If you are suffering from some low self confidence issue, there is no remedy for it except working little harder with the anterior part of body. Having seen some of your excepts, I say, your work is as good as toilet paper.    

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[RANU CHOWDHURY]

Everyone has his place in history, that is my argument. 

I don't remember if Bhasani ever contested any election, let alone that in 1970, even though he was the Founder-President of the Awami (Muslim) League. He was opposed to military rule all his life. He rejected Ayub Khan's RTC, as well as Yahya's 1970 elections (under LFO), which Sheikh Mujib accepted. By that time, Bhasani had given his final salam to West Pakistan saying, "From now on, my only demand is "Swadhin Puro Bangla." Mind you, the 1969 Students Movement and the Free Mujib (from ACC) Movement was spearheaded by Bhasani. 

I had earlier said, Mujib came at the right time of history. Someone once said, "Even if a monkey composed 6-Point (many claimed its authorship though), it would have been equally hit when the people of East Pakistan were ripe against Islamabad." Nonetheless, I do not deny Sheikh Mujib's untiring efforts and  contribution in the awakening of Bengalis and making them speak in one voice by late 1960s. However, he seemed to have run out of steam after March 7, 1971.  Whatever he had done since, cannot be justified, let alone condoned.

Sir, I don't know if you have seen 1971; and if you did, what was your role then. However, as a smalltime--decorated though-- FF (a captain fleeing Lahore in a Jeep and fighting the war under Z Force), I know what we fought for, what deal we got on and after December 16, 1971, and where we are heading now. That perhaps is the reason I feel feel better where the shoe pinches.

You have your views. I have mine. I don't think we can convince each other, however hard we try. So, let's end here and be happy with what we believe. I can only hope, an unbiased and untampered history will one day decide what is truth and what is myth or fiction.  

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Subject: Re: {PFC-Friends} Re: Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region independent - ABC, CBS, NBC and New York Times

 

If you want to go back to 1857's uprising against the Brits to minimize Mujib's contribution and emphasize more on other Muslim leaders for Muslim causes, more power to you but they are simply irrelevant to what had culminated 1971's freedom struggle. The whole 1960 decade belonged to Mujib and his six points autonomy demands. That is what led him to the landslide victory in 1970 election, which was boycotted by very dubious Bhasani. He saw the writings on the wall and knew his party would get much votes. He might not even win a seat in the parliament. So, if Bhasani needs to be given credit for Bangladeshi independence, you can also add few others in the list like Salimullahs, Golam Azams and other political dudes of that time. I state again that Zia was not a factor for Bangladeshi independence. His announcement did make Bangladesh free.

Historical facts could be very cruel to some revisionists and for very good reasons, they can't be rewritten at will with concocted lies. Thank you all. I am done with my two cents contribution.

[Jalal Uddin Khan]

Thank you Engineer Aleem and Captain Razzak S for taking a swipe at this cowardly foul-mouthed guy hiding under a series of fake names--surjosen shah daladar and other colorful names. Anyway, "Bangladesh as a nation knows it very well that without Zia's clarion call on 26 March 1971, it would not have seen independence and that it could have ended up being either a Kashmir, or a Sikkim, or a Chechnya, or a Dagestan, or a Palestine!," to quote from my forthcoming volume. In the meantime, let me give you some highlights from  Chapter 9, "The Quagmire of Partisan Politics Over the Dead: Controversies Over the Image and Status of Mujib and Zia," (pp.309-346): https://www.amazon.com/Bangladesh-Political-Literary-Reflections-Divided/dp/1433146134::

"Zia did the historic declaration (to be distinguished from mere reading out an announcement) over the radio from a remote location in Chittagong, not only in the most heroic manner but also in the unprecedented God-gifted magnetic and thundering voice he was endowed with.^[i] Millions of people heard Zia’s fascinating tone of voice, the memory of which must still be fresh and living to those who are still alive, just as they would also remember his far-reaching and penetrating eagle-eyed looks and his unique smile and confidence-exuding and courage-building individual style. The smart Zia was multilingual and could speak several languages fluently: Bengali, English, Urdu, so on. He was truly a modern man of versatile skills and innovations—linguistic, military, political, patriotic, and statecraft. He was Bangladesh’s Renaissance man and hence its Sir Philip Sidney (1554–1586), Sir Lucius Cary (1610–1643) and his noble friend Sir Henry Morison (as celebrated in English/Elizabethan poetry, especially Ben Jonson’s Cary-Morison Ode) and Major Robert Gregory (who lived from 1881 to 1918 and was commemorated in W B Yeats’s trio of poems), all having lived a short life of heroic fighting and other multitude of high qualities, all dying in action.

"Zia’s role in the battlefield (from which Mujib was away, by chance or choice, living in the safe or uncertain custody of Pakistan)^[ii] and his political leadership during 1976–1981 were and remain as bright and exemplary as the most visible and conspicuous star in the sky. He was able to overcome the irrational and primordial element that, according to German sociologist Max Weber, lies in the quality of charisma and used his positive charisma, rationally and intelligently, to build foundations and institutions, not to destroy them. Zia was the Gluck (good luck) of John Ruskin’s famous “long” short story 'The King of the Golden River,' who becomes synonymous with the title character 'King' at the end of the story after having patiently and persistently confronted the mean and greedy in his own elder brothers.

"Mujib also had his great voice and style and stature. The voices of both Mujib and Zia still keep ringing into the ears of millions. Both of them 'shine like a polestar through smoke-clouds, dust-clouds, and all manner of down-rushing and conflagration,' as Carlyle said a hero was to be, in his On Heroes, Hero-Worship, and the Heroic in History (1840). He said that great men were a profitable company as Mujib and Zia were (and are) to us. Carlyle went on:

We cannot look upon a great man without gaining something by him. He is the living light-fountain, which it is good and pleasant to be near. The light which enlightens, which has enlightened the darkness of the world; and this not as a kindled lamp only, but rather as a natural luminary shining by the gift of Heaven; a flowing light-fountain, as I say, of native original insight, of manhood and heroic nobleness;—in whose radiance all souls feel that it is well with them. On any terms whatsoever, you will not grudge to wander in such neighborhood for a while.^[iii]

Both Mujib and Zia were great men. May God/Allah the Almighty forgive their sins and grant them a special corner in the gardens of Jannah (paradise).

"Coming back to history, if Mujib’s contribution was to make the iron red-hot at the advent of the liberation war—a glorious achievement as it was—, Zia rose to strike the iron at the right moment. In this respect, the eminent Dr Zafrullah Chowdhury’s claims about the crucial contribution of both Mujib and Zia bear historical significance.^[iv] Zia mobilized and led the nation, along with other military heroes, to a splendid and spectacular success in December 1971. Without his key and crucial role, which worked miracles in arousing the entire nation through his thundering voice and eagle-eyed vision, the freedom struggle, at least at the beginning, would have floundered in doubt and disarray. His announcement or declaration of independence, followed by his action on the war front, reminds one of what Thomas Carlyle said about the French Revolution in his essay on Oliver Cromwell and Napoleon Bonaparte: “Truly, without the French Revolution, one would not know what to make of an age like this at all. We will hail the French Revolution, as shipwrecked mariners might the sternest rock, in a world otherwise all of baseless sea and waves.” Zia’s formation of the BNP provided the much-needed political balance, nationalist dimension, and a viable, liberating alternative to the militant totalitarianism of the post-independence Baksalite AL.

"One cannot think of the emergence of Bangladesh and its victory in 1971 without Zia, who, to repeat, had declared the independence of Bangladesh in March and then valiantly fought to turn the dream into reality. When Mujib and his family, in the safe custody of the Pakistani authorities, were away from the battlefield, Zia was there fighting at the front line. One cannot think of multiparty democracy in Bangladesh without Zia. He revived democracy and brought it back to life after it was earlier hacked and battered to death through the formation of BAKSAL by Mujib. Today’s Hasina-led AL owes its existence to Zia, who gave it a second life as he allowed it to resurface after its pitiful demise in 1975. Zia was as great a politician and a statesman as he was a soldier of flying colors in the field. It is a glory of the Cantonment that it had produced a super son like Zia [...}

"Zia was the maker of modern Bangladesh, as the former president B. Chowdhury and political analysts such as Minar Rashid always asserted.^[i] Among a host of other things that he achieved in a short period of time, it was Zia who started the modern industrial and agricultural revolution in Bangladesh. Militarily and innovative policy-and-management-wise, he was the Oliver Cromwell, George Washington, and Dwight Eisenhower of Bangladesh. His actions and achievements were like those of Charles XII of Sweden, Pericles of Athens, Leonidas of Sparta, Lucius Cincinnatus of Rome, Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon, and the tragically short-lived and short-lasting Nawab Sirajuddowla of Bengal.  He can be compared to Cyrus the Great (of ancient Persia, 550–330 BC), whom even the Greeks, his enemies, acknowledged as an exceptional leader [.....] Both Zia and Mujib were Bangladesh’s Nelson Mandela, though in different ways. Like the long imprisoned Mandela, the imprisoned Mujib was an inspiration to his people; like the free Mandela in power, Zia took steps to unite the country by taking people of different political orientations and ideologies in the governance of the country. One of them was his brave and brilliant Prime Minister Shah Azizur Rahman (apart from another minister Abdul Alim), who was once an Awami League leader, from 1962 to 1970, and then turned a supporter of Pakistan during the liberation war, for which he was arrested after the liberation, to be released by Mujib a year later. It was for the same purpose of peace and unity that Mujib forgave thousands of anti-liberation men (over 7,000), including Shah Azizur Rahman, who he thought had a political right to support an undivided Pakistan during the war. (American Presidents also pardoned hundreds of thousands of Confederate soldiers of the American South, who were responsible for more than a million casualties during the Civil War).^[ii] Now that the country became independent, all belonged to one and the same Bangladesh and all were Bangladeshis [....]

"Following Mujib’s footsteps, Zia went one step forward in uniting the nation and taking into his government some of those who had previously differed with him politically.^[iii] If Hoque, Bhashani, and Suhrawardy were the three not-so-distant direction-giving stars in the northern sky of Bangladesh and Sheikh Mujib was a lofty beacon (like the ancient lighthouse of Alexandria, essential to the long-tossed sailors in the open sea), Zia was the sunshine to provide the immediate life-giving and life-sustaining heat and light to the nation both during and after the liberation, especially during his few years of rule in the mid nineteen seventies. While Mujib and Zia were the two massive superstars in Bangladesh’s political playground, all the five national leaders mentioned here (as well as Nawab Sir Khwaja Salimullah Bahadur and Syed Nawab Ali Chowdhury) deserve a “High 5” and ought to be paid equal tribute the way (Faruq Mahfuz Anam) James does pay homage to them in his patriotic motherland song, 'Amar Sonar Bangla.'

"Both Mujib and Zia had a Promethean spark in them. Both died a tragic death; both sacrificed a lot for the country; both shone out and stood out in their own best ways. Both depended on their political means—good or bad, right or wrong—to achieve their otherwise noble ends, not necessarily through the dire straits of state terrorism or the crooked and crafty Machiavellian, Chanakyan, and Lilliputian (low and mean, nasty and nefarious, divisive and despotic) way. However, like the dark shadow at the bottom of the lamp or the spots in the moon or the thorns of the rose, both are thought to have had their negative side too [....]"

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^[i] I was then an SSC candidate, one of the millions to directly hear, from quite far, the heroic declaration of independence by the immortal Zia over the Radio. I also saw the huge crowds at the equally immortal Sheikh Mujib’s mammoth meetings in 1970, one or two of which I traveled from far to attend.

^[ii] Mizanur Rahman Chowdhury, a senior AL leader, commented in 1978 that whenever there was a risk or fear of life, Sheikh Mujib chose to get arrested. This is also borne out by Siddiq Salek's book, Witness to Surrender, in which he mentions that Mujib sent two aides to General Khadem Hossain Raja in Dhaka Cantonment on the night of March 6/7 asking to be arrested. When General Yahya was supposed to make an official declaration on March 25 to hand over power to Mujib as the elected representative of the majority, Mujib was waiting the whole day for his coveted position of the PM of Pakistan without any “good news.” Little did he know that Yahya already ordered the Operation Searchlight aimed at annihilating the Bengalis as he had secretly left Dhaka.

^[iii] The Selected Works of Thomas Carlyle, p. 91: https://books.google.ca/books?isbn=1312254319

^[iv] http://www.amardeshonline.com/pages/details/2016/01/28/321116#

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^[i] Journalist Shafik Rehman and UK resident (Ret) Maj Syed Abu Bakar Siddique wrote to this effect: https://www.facebook.com/ShafikRehmanPresents?_rdr; www.somewhereinblog.net/blog/abushethi/29411669; amader-kotha.com/page/234164; http://www.sheershakhobor.com of 2016/11/05

^[ii]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_or_granted_clemency_by_the_President_of_the_United_States#

^[iii] For an estimate of Zia’s historic contribution, see: http://www.dailynayadiganta.com/detail/news/26275#; http://www.sheershanewsbd.com/2015/05/30/82497; https://www.facebook.com/minar.rashid/posts/492238867643216

 

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[Jalal Uddin Khan]

Bhashani was a great patriot fighting for the masses and the independence of East P/Bangladesh all along in clear and unequivocal terms. Unlike Mujib, he never hesitated and never harbored a wish to become the PM of the united Pakistan. He was a founding father of Bangladesh, along with a number of others, including Zia. As a Pakistani citizen he spoke Urdu, as many other leaders and intellectuals of that time did (and still do), including H S Suhrawardy, Kamal H, and Rehman S. As a native of Bengal  he spoke Bangla. What a great politician he was all his life! Cowdung Malu idiots cannot like him because he was a Maulana and a practicing Muslim--honest and sincere--who is on record to have lavishly praised Zia for his honesty and sincerity.

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 7:23 PM, Sen71 <surjo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah, Bhasani knew his limit and hence he did not try to test his electoral 'popularity'. Be as it may, he was an old man and never been a true force for freedom except serving the Pakistani agenda. As for 6 points demands, no monkey showed up at the critical point except too late. So, the credit goes to the rightful person! And, we know who is that money.

Here is Bhasani showing his great love for Pakistan. The man is such a shameless monkey that he delivers the speech in Urdu. What a joke!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSjA5nsSyoE

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[Jalal Uddin Khan]

By calling Bhashani a shameless monkey, you are for civil discussion? No way. What a raw and ribald abuse you're throwing at a great political leader? By cowardly hiding under a number of fake names,  you've all along been hurling profane slurs at everybody for years, that's your niche. Go back and see how abusive you have been to different people at different times over the years. Unfortunately,  your cowardliness cannot hide your meanness,  narrow mindedness, and lowliness.  I hope you try to get rid of your vulgarities and be more civil and polite. 

On Apr 9, 2018 9:51 PM, "Sen71" <surjo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Low IQ should not be any excuse for uttering profanity. I am here for a civil discussion. If that is not your forte, do not respond. If you really up the ante, I could be very cruel and devastating.
As for your ignorant racial tantrum, you should ask your daddy where he stole his Khan title from by being such a darkey dog? "Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones" 

Good day and good luck!

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[RANU CHOWDHURY]

I had no intention of prolonging the debate. Just wanted to make a comment on the Bhasani video. Sometime back, DeEldar circulated the same video. So, I now know who Sen71 is.

I had commented at that time that listening to the delivery carefully, I doubted if it was Bhasani's own voice. The Urdu speech was followed by his Bengali delivery. Mark the difference in voice, intonation, pitch and content. Any idiot can find the difference between the two. In the bottom it says the speech was delivered on April 2, 1972 at Paltan, Dhaka. Why would Bhasani speak in Urdu in Bangladesh? For whom? It is clear that it was a deliberate attempt to demean and defame a respected Bengali leader.

I lived in Pakistan for eight years, and I know even an average Urdu speaker can hardly deliver some of the difficult words so correctly and so purely done in this video. Bhasani was a pure Bengali (from Assam region), and I have not come across a Bengali who spoke Urdu in such chaste manner. If you have seen the Indian movie My Name is Khan, you would know how the hero tried to demonstrate how the word "Khan" needed be pronounced. The moment a non-Urdu speaking person utters such words as Khan, Ahmad, Mahboob, Qayamat, one would find he is not one. Similarly, how hard a non-Sylheti tries to emulate the language, will invariably fail.   

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Yeah, Bhasani knew his limit and hence he did not try to test his electoral 'popularity'. Be as it may, he was an old man and never been a true force for freedom except serving the Pakistani agenda. As for 6 points demands, no monkey showed up at the critical point except too late. So, the credit goes to the rightful person! And, we know who is that money.

Here is Bhasani showing his great love for Pakistan. The man is such a shameless monkey that he delivers the speech in Urdu. What a joke!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSjA5nsSyoE

Maulana Abdul Hamid Khan Bhashani addresses about 1970s election on National issues Part-1.wmv www.youtube.com Abdul Hamid Khan Bhashani (1880--1976) was a popular political leader in Pakistan and Bangladesh, a rural based self-educated person.He was the founder and President ...

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[zainul abedin]

Salam,

Zia's radio-announcement 1971 had a tremendous effect like Dalim's radio-announcement in 1975.

ZA

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[Jalal Uddin Khan]

This hooded Hindu Surjosen cum Shah Deldar--a coward hidden under fake names-- hates Muslims.  He calls Bhashani a shameless monkey because he was a Maulana and a practicing Muslim. He loves all to speak Hindi and love Hindustan. Speaking Urdu and loving Pakistan is a problem to this racist who is full of verbal abuse. 

On Apr 10, 2018 2:00 AM, "Sen71" <surjo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Here is the Bjasani's Deoband link! So, Urdu should not be any issue for this Maulana. There is some accent there but the voice is his.

"Between 1907 and 1909, Bhashani attended the famous Islamic

University of Deoband, where he received theological training.

Deoband was widely regarded as a centre with progressive lean-

ings. Several Sufi orders have influenced Deoband’s teachings.

Its theologians are reputed to have shared an ‘anti-imperialist’

orientation, and to have actively propagated the need to end

Britain’s domination over the subcontinent."

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https://iias.asia/sites/default/files/IIAS_NL55_1213.pdf

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[Rezaul Karim]

If one can speak more languages. why it would be a shame? when its a sign of strength. Millions of Indians speak urdu, a language they love.

In 1970, Sk. Mujib's speech in Karachi ( Nistar park) was in urdu. 

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018, 11:23 AM Sen71 <surjo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah, Bhasani knew his limit and hence he did not try to test his electoral 'popularity'. Be as it may, he was an old man and never been a true force for freedom except serving the Pakistani agenda. As for 6 points demands, no monkey showed up at the critical point except too late. So, the credit goes to the rightful person! And, we know who is that money.

Here is Bhasani showing his great love for Pakistan. The man is such a shameless monkey that he delivers the speech in Urdu. What a joke!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSjA5nsSyoE

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GUHA EXTREMIST MEMBERS

 Guhas are extremists. Their expression is so childish that they are like they live in caves sharing space with the Talibans. Mind you most extremists of all faith posses similar type of behavior. De oldi and Guha's hatred against Urdu, Muslims or Arab people or anything that has to do with Muslims is so deadly that these teen like adults could even voluntarily become suicide bombers for the Hindu fanatic Modi and they would cry Kai, kali and say bharat mata ki joy, with great pleasure speaking in Hindi, shave their head and act like teens and worship the cow or drink own their urine ( Murarji Desai did) or a little more civilized drink the urine of the cow. Awamis should know that they do all of this in the name of Indian "progressive politics" in Bangladesh.

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[Sitangshu Guha]

It doesn’t matter, how big you write, at the end of the day, you and your cohorts are just a bunch of parasites, living in the civilized world with full heart of hatred! 

The venom of your language and your very faith are compatible with extremism and produce suicide bombers and talibans, bokoharam, AlQuida, etc.  Only your people can come in America to kill and create 9/11 and many others atrocities against infidels around the world! 

In 2003 I was heavily searched in Paris airport and finally I told them, ‘ listen, I’m not a Muslim!’ Believe me, I’m glad that I’m not! You know why? Because then you would become my brother! Unfortunately, people of hate can’t be my brothers and I’m glad for that! 

So far world saw only Islamic suicide bombers and followers of your faith can only be suicide bombers! Well, there are other fanatics, but they are child in comparison to your own kind! 

We may worship anyone, but we don’t run after barbarism and false and became inhuman, which creates suicide bombers!

Have some shame! Again, post card, look like your hatred will make you envelope soon! 

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[RANU CHOWDHURY]

Sorry, I am drawn into this futile and disgusting discussion for nothing.

Bhasanis Urdu knowledge is not in question, an average Bengali's Urdu delivery is. True, there may be great number of Bengalis whose foreign language expertise surpass the foreigners. I understand initially Michael Modhusudhon was more of an Englishman than a Bengali. My Maulana father was fluent in Urdu, Arabic and Farsi. After living in Pakistan and the Middle East for many years, I discovered the difference. 

More serious question is the reported speeches in the video. I said before repeatedly, and reiterate again, the two speeches of Bhasani, one in Urdu followed by another in Bangla, are not the same in any angle. Those who heard Bhasani's speeches and know his voice confirmed this fact. Frankly, the Urdu one sounded more like President Ayub Khan's  one of his weekly Radio speeches. All his life, Bhasani was anti-Pakistan, anti-Ayub, anti-Yahya. He gave the goodbye "As-Salamualaikum" to the Pakistanis as early as 1957 at Kagmari. Why would he try to flatter Ayub or Pakistanis when he was not seeking any official or elected position under them? 

I also said earlier that, one might have hundred an one reason to dislike a person, yet there were many others who had thousands of reasons to like the same person. So this discussion is useless. 

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Loving Pakistan and Urdu is not a crime but it needs be disclosed before showing fake love for Bangladesh and its causes. In 1970, Bhasani chose to speak in Urdu when people were fully charged with 1952's spirit. It shows how much Maulana cared about an autonomous Bangladesh and Bangla. He was a shortsighted old fool and knew his political days were almost over. It is understandable why he did not participate in the poll.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:15 AM, Rezaul Karim <rezaulk...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Jalal Uddin Khan]

Yesterday, Bhashani was "a shameless monkey;" today he is "a shortsighted old fool."  What a verbal abuse colorful ! "Good for goose but not for gander? মামা বাড়ির আবদার?" I say, what a slur and slander? When you yourself is submerged under fake names, you'll see only fakeness all around. Bhashani's love for the masses and his commitment to people's emancipation was never to question. If there was only one honest and sincere and selfless guy in the politics of those days, it was Bhashani who was emulated by Zia. Like or not, both were among the Founding Fathers of Bangladesh. Mujib's love for Bangladesh was at best half-fake, if not quarter, as demonstrated again and again during 1971-1975. At first, it was Bangladesh or Pakistan? Pakistan or Bangladesh? PM of P or fighting for B? Oscillation. Conflict. Equivocation. Hesitation. Between the two horns of dilemma. Finally, totally out of sight into the safety and comfort of P. Then the terror Rakkhibahini, Bakshal, and famine.  

Loving Pakistan and Urdu is not a crime but it needs be disclosed before showing fake love for Bangladesh and its causes. In 1970, Bhasani chose to speak in Urdu when people were fully charged with 1952's spirit. It shows how much Maulana cared about an autonomous Bangladesh and Bangla. He was a shortsighted old fool and knew his political days were almost over. It is understandable why he did not participate in the poll.

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[Mohammed Shoaib]

Very True.

Shoaib

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[Mohammed Shoaib]

Are we still fighting over a "Dead Issue"?  Can any Dead Horse rise no matter how brutally it may be whipped!  Those who live in the Past are condemned by the Present and cursed by the Future.  Remember:  "Dunya Usi Ka Hai Jo Aggey Dekhey -- the World belongs to those who always looks ahead".  Truth may be twisted -- but can never be obliterated.  Allah is our "Ultimate Witness".  Regards.

Shoaib

On Friday, April 6, 2018, 2:57:38 PM PDT, Farida Majid <farida...@hotmail.com> wrote:

সিকদার গিয়াসউদ্দিন added 3 new photos.

June 10, 2015 · 

An important piece of history.
সিকদার গিয়াসউদ্দিন

১৯৭১' সাল। ২৬'শে মার্চ।পাকিস্তান সরকারের রাষ্ট্রদ্রোহ মামলা ও স্বাধীনতার ঘোষনা।

১৯৭১'সাল।অগ্নিঝরা মার্চ।তথাকথিত পূর্ব পাকিস্তান।স্বাধীনতা অর্জনের লক্ষ্যে সারাদেশ উত্তাল।মিছিলের পর মিছিল।চতুর্দিকে গগনবিধারী আওয়াজ।"বীর বাঙালী অস্ত্র ধর-বাংলাদেশ স্বাধীন কর।"কক্সবাজার মহকুমার "রামু থানা"ও এর ব্যতিক্রম নয়।প্রতিটি গ্রামে,মহল্লায়,থানা সদরে মিছিলের পর মিছিলের অন্ত নেই।

৭০'এর নির্বাচনে সমগ্র কক্সবাজার মহুকুমায় পাকিস্তান জাতীয় পরিষদের (Member of National Assembly)নির্বাচনে প্রতিদ্বন্দ্বিতা করেন পিডিপি'র পক্ষে পাকিস্তানের বিখ্যাত পার্লামেন্টারিয়ান(পরে পূর্ব পাকিস্তান শান্তি কমিটির সভাপতি বা অন্যতম নেতা)মৌলভী ফরিদ আহমদ,কনভেনশান মুসলিমলীগের জাফর আলম চৌধূরী(পরে কক্সবাজার মহকুমার শান্তি কমিটির চেয়ারম্যান)এবং নেজামে ইসলামের পক্ষে কেন্দ্রীয় নেতা মৌলানা ছিদ্দিক আহমদ (পরে কেন্দ্রীয় শান্তি কমিটির মেম্বার)আওয়ামীলীগের পক্ষে উপরোক্ত বাঘা বাঘা নেতাদের বিপুল ভোটের ব্যবধানে পরাজিত করেন টেকনাফের সাধারন পরিবারে জন্মগ্রহন করা একজন তরুন মেধাবী উকিল প্রয়াত নূর আহমদ।পরবর্তিতে ১৯৭২'সালে নতুন দল হিসাবে জাসদের আত্মপ্রকাশ ঘটে।তিনি কক্সবাজার জেলা জাসদের নেতৃত্ব দেন।

রামু,উখিয়া,টেকনাফ থেকে প্রাদেশিক পরিষদের নির্বাচনে বিপুল ভোটে জয়লাভ করেন আওয়ামীলীগের ওসমান সরওয়ার আলম চৌধূরী।(পরবর্তিতে রাষ্ট্রদূত প্রয়াত অধ্যক্ষ ওসমান সরওয়ার আলম চৌধূরী কক্সবাজারের ক্ষনজন্মা সমাজসেবকের স্বীকৃতি অর্জন করেন।)
১৯৭১'সালের বঙ্গবন্ধুর ঐতিহাসিক ৭'ই মার্চের ভাষনের পরপরই রামু থানায় ওসমান সরওয়ার আলম চৌধূরী,মোশতাক আহমদ (পাকিস্তান সিভিল সার্ভিসের লোভনীয় চাকুরী ছেড়ে স্বাধীনতা আন্দোলনে যোগ দেন।ঢাকা বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়ে অন্যতম মেধাবী ছাত্র হিসাবে পরিচিত ছিলেন।পরবর্তিতে অধ্যাপক,অধ্যক্ষ ও বিশিষ্ট শিক্ষাবিদ হিসাবে সুনাম অর্জন করেন।মোজাফ্ফর আহমদ সমর্থিত ন্যাপের কেন্দ্রীয় নেতা ছিলেন।)এবং রামু খিজারী আদর্শ উচ্চ বিদ্যালয়ের কিংবদন্তি প্রধান শিক্ষক আকতার আহমদসহ সর্বস্তরের জনসাধারণের কাছে সম্মানিত ও গ্রহনযোগ্য ব্যক্তিত্ব আর তরুন নেতৃত্বের সমন্বয়ে সংগ্রাম পরিষদ গঠিত হয়।অবশ্য সংগ্রাম পরিষদ গঠনে কক্সবাজার মহুকুমার আওয়ামীলীগ সভাপতি জোয়ারিয়ানালার আফছার কামাল চৌধূরী আর মহুকুমা ছাত্রসংগ্রাম পরিষদের রামু গর্জনিয়ার তৈয়বউল্লাহ চৌধূরী (ভিপি কক্সবাজার কলেজ)কক্সবাজার টেক পাড়ার ছুরত আলম (সাধারণ সম্পাদক,মহুকুমা ছাত্রলীগ),উখিয়ার দিদারুল আলমচৌধূরী(সভাপতি,মহুকুমা ছাত্রলীগ),রামু মেরোংলোয়ার ওবাইদুল হক,সূমথ বড়ুয়া,দীপক বড়ুয়া সহ যাঁদের নামে মামলা প্রদান করা হয়- সকলেই বিশেষ ভূমিকা পালন করেন।আওয়ামীলীগের মেরুংলোয়ার গোলাম কবিরের ভূমিকা বিশেষ প্রনিধানযোগ্য।তাছাড়াও আজিজ মিয়া,জাফর আলম সিকদার,পরিমল পাল সহ অনেকেই সংগ্রাম কমিটির জন্য কাজ করেন।রামু স্কুলের এস এস সি পরীক্ষার্থীদের মধ্যে নূরুল হক,আবু আহমদ সহ অনেকেই সংগ্রাম কমিটির জন্য নিবেদিত প্রান ছিলো।

৭'ই মার্চের ধারাবাহিকতায় পরবর্তিতে ওসমান সরওয়ার আলম চৌধূরীর স্বার্বিক তত্বাবধানে আনসার কমান্ডার রাজারকুলের আবদুল হকের নেতৃত্বে রামু থানার সকল আনসার বাহিনীকে একত্রিত করে আরও স্থানীয় উৎসাহী তরুনদের সমন্বয়ে রামু স্কুল ময়দানে ক্যাম্প বানিয়ে মুক্তিসংগ্রামের লক্ষ্যে সার্বক্ষনিক প্রশিক্ষনের ব্যবস্থা করা হয়।২৩'শে মার্চ "পাকিস্তান দিবসের"পরিবর্তে সারাদেশে"প্রতিরোধ দিবস"আর কেন্দ্রীয় ছাত্রসংগ্রাম পরিষদের ডাকে ঘরে ঘরে বাংলাদেশের পতাকা উড়ানোর সিদ্ধান্তের সাথে রামু থানার সংগ্রাম পরিষদও একাত্মতা ঘোষনা করে।ঐদিন রামু থানায় বাংলাদেশের পতাকা উড়িয়ে দেয়া হয় এবং ঘরে ঘরেও স্বতস্ফূর্তভাবে পতাকা উড়িয়ে দেয়া হয়।প্রতিটি গ্রামে তরুন আর ছোট ছোট ছেলেমেয়েরা বাংলাদেশের পতাকা নিয়ে মিছিল করতে থাকে।অত:পর রামু থানা সংগ্রাম পরিষদের অনুমোদনক্রমে ওসমান সরওয়ার আলম চৌধূরীর সার্বিক তত্বাবধানে সংগ্রাম কমিটির সদস্য এবং আনসার কমান্ডার আবদুল হকের নেতৃত্বে সকল আনসার বাহিনী সহকারে রামু থানা দখল করে অস্ত্রাগার থেকে সকল অস্ত্রশস্ত্র সংগ্রাম কমিটির হেফাজতে রাখার ব্যবস্থা সম্পন্ন হয়।পাক সেনারা রামু দখল করার পর সেখানকার রামুথানার ওসি এস আই শামশুদ্দিন আহমদ পাকিস্তান সরকারের পক্ষে মামলা G.R.100/71.দাখিল ও নথিভূক্ত করেন।তাতে সর্বমোট ৩৫ জনকে এবং২৫/৩০ বিদ্রোহী ইপিআরের কথা উল্লেখিত হয়।মামলাটি তিন পৃষ্টায় লিখিত।

দ্বিতীয় পৃষ্টায় ওসি শামশুদ্দিন আহমদ পাকিস্তান সরকারের পক্ষে লেখেন-"On the morning 26.3.71 the President of Pakistan was pleased to ban Awami league party and suspended all political activities.On the same day it was announced by the Awami league leaders that SK.Mozibur Rahman chief of the said party had declared independence of East Pakistan & named it Swadin Bangladesh."তৃতীয় পৃষ্টায় আসামীদের বিরুদ্ধে আরো যা অভিযোগ আনা হয়েছে-"they also looted away forcibly Govt. and private arms & ammunitions and other Valuable properties on the point of death with heavy arms and ammunitions with a view of waging "WAR"against Islami republic of Pakistan and its valiant armed forces.

মুক্তিযূদ্ধ মন্ত্রণালয়ে কিংবা মুক্তিযূদ্ধ যাদুঘরে এই রাষ্ট্রদ্রোহ মামলার (G.R.100/71)কপি তথা এই দলিলটা আছে কিনা জানিনা।আমাদের বাংলাদেশের স্বাধীনতার ঘোষনাকে কেন্দ্র করে গোয়েবলসীয় জঘন্য মিথ্যাচারের বিরুদ্ধে এটিও একটি দলিল নয় কি?আমাদের মুক্তিযুদ্ধ মন্ত্রণালয় ও মুক্তিযুদ্ধ যাদুঘর আগামী প্রজন্মের ইতিহাসবেত্তা ও সন্তান সন্ততির স্বার্থে এটি সংরক্ষন করবে সেটা আশা করা যায়।

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Subject: Re: Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region independent - ABC, CBS, NBC and New York Times

“Mujib was a brave man and he did not surrender to Pakistanis but stood his ground. “

Ha ha, as if Mr. SEN lived with Mujib, there are people still alive who lived closely with Mujib and knows him from his college life. If someone warship him, that’s individual choice. DON’T IMPOSE ON OTHERS. To me Mujib was a Cowardly mischievous and selfish individual with loud voice. He had no love or affection or any respect for the nation

Razzak A. Syed

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> On 7 Apr 2018, at 05:58, Sen71 <surjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
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[Post Card]

       

   

খালেদা জিয়ার আইনজীবী ও সাবেক স্পিকার জমির উদ্দিনকে খুঁজে পাওয়া যাচ্ছে না!

On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 12:10 AM, Post Card <abahar...@gmail.com> wrote:

LIKE MUJIB, HASINA'S FASCIST ELECTION STRATEGY

Mehedi Faruq and Nil Akash shared a link.

সংসদ নির্বাচনের জন্য কেনা হচ্ছে ৫৩ হাজার শটগান

আগামী জাতীয় সংসদ নির্বাচনে ভোট কেন্দ্রের নিরাপত্তায় ‘৩০৩ রাইফেল’-এর বদলে ‘১২ বোর শটগান’ ব্যবহার করা হবে। এ লক্ষ্...

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On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 11:58 PM, Post Card <abahar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry, I had to make some changes in the above write up.

MUJIB HATED EDUCATED PEOPLE

(Check his lectures on youtube)

Abid Bahar

Research on the life of Mujib shows that he hated educated people and joked about their incompetency in dealing with

real problems. The reason behind this type of psycho behavior no doubt derives from him succeeding in life from a muscleman to even become the "father-of the nation" and that without having any real education. He had his BA exam written by one Mazharul Islam of Kutubdia, Chittagong, Mazharuk was a good friend of Mujib. While at Dhaka University Mujib was fined for his unstudent like behavior. When he didn't pay the fine, he was expelled from the university. Isn't it the same type of behavior we see in his Chatro League followers; the organization he built in his own image

Remember, after the liberation war, back from Pakistan, he had introduced the auto pass system. Interestingly, Hasina had completed her graduation by taking advantage of this auto system, it set an example of gaining something without doing any hard work. 

Hero-worshipping is one of the characteristics of fascism. So, if the "father of the nation," a model figure/ an exemplary figure can climb to the highest  level of honor, from being a Sohrowardhy muscleman to the "father of the nation," what is wrong with his followers in getting into corruption, killing the opposition members, vanishing the opposition to stay in power, or having fake certificate to become a teacher? After all, these Mujib followers, the so-called civil servants, bankers, teachers are following the example of "father of the nation."

So, we have a problem. We have the fascism problem in Bangladesh.

It is true and worrisome to ignore the dead Mujib, who stayed in Pakistan during the entire liberation period when his leadership needed the most in Bangladesh and upon his return he introduced one party fascism in Bangladesh. It is also worrisome to see Mujib's BKSAL fascism to continue through Hasina BKSAL 2, of course the latter is using Indian help and all in the name of our glorious liberation war in which neither Mujib nor Hasina nor many other spirited Awami collaborators (razakars of today participated.)

Sad to say, today's Bangladesh is ruled by true Pakistani razakars like Alamgir, Immam, the razakar behai, Shahriar Kabir  and many others. They don't hesitate to victimize the real freedom fighters like Ziaur Rahman. Hasina even calls Ziaur Rahman as the #1 razakar. The point is we have identified the #2 razakar who is Hasina. Tell us who is the #1 razakar?The answer is it was Mujib.

History tells us that Mujib voluntarily surrendered to the enemy to keep himself and his family safe. His family was even paid allowance when Pakistani military targeted Bengalis to be slaughtered. Why?

The point is that you can deliver a fiery speech in the presence of a million people but when death rings on the door, even a lion can turn into a pussy cat. Mujib surrendered as if like a pussy cat hiding in the closet without declaring the UDI. It was a crime Mujib committed, It was a crime of betrayal.  For his betrayal, For this, Mujib should have been arrested as soon as he arrived in Bangladesh from his hijrat to Pakistan. When you have a demagogue, Muscleman becomes the father, he can bring misery for himself and for his unfortunate nation. Check the facts to understand the Awami Indian fiction about Mujib.

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 11:37 PM, Post Card <abahar...@gmail.com> wrote:

MUJIB HATED EDUCATED PEOPLE

(Check his lectures on youtube)

Abid Bahar

Research on the life of Mujib shows that he hated educated people and joked about their incompetency in dealing with

real problems. The reason behind this type of psycho behavior no doubt derives from him succeeding in life early in life a muscleman and later on becoming the "father-of the nation" without having any real education. He had his BA exam written by one Mazharul Islam of Kutubdia of Chittagong, a good friend of Mujib. While at Dhaka University Mujib was fined for his unstudent like behavior. When he failed to pay the fine, he was even expelled from the university. Isn't it the same type of behavior we see in his Chatro League followers.

Remember, after the liberation war, back from Pakistan, he had introduced the auto pass system. Interestingly, Hasina had completed her graduation by taking advantage of the auto pass system.

Hero-worshipping is one of the characteristics of fascism. So, if the "father of the nation," a model figure/ an exemplary figure can climb to that level, from being a muscleman to the "father of the nation," what is wrong with his followers in getting into corruption, killing the opposition members, vanishing the opposition to stay in power, or having fake certificate to become a teacher? After all, these Mujib followers, the so-called teachers are following the example of "father of the nation."

So, we have a problem.

It is truly worrisome to ignore the dead Mujib, who stayed in Pakistan during the entire liberation period when his leadership needed the most and upon his return he introduced fascism in Bangladesh. It is also worrisome to see Mujib's BKSAL fascism continues through Hasina BKSAL 2 fascism of course with Indian help and all in the name of our glorious liberation war in which neither Mujib nor Hasina nor many other spirited Awami collaborators (razakars participated.)

Sad to say, today's Bangladesh is ruled by true Pakistani razakars like Alamgir, Immam, the behai and many others, victimizing the real freedom fighters like Ziaur Rahman. Hasina even calls Ziaur Rahman as the #1 razakar. The point is we have identified the #2 razakar who is Hasina. Tell us who is the #1 razakar?The answer is it was Mujib.

 Mujib voluntarily surrendered to the enemy to keep himself and his family safe. His family was even paid allowance when Pakistani military targeted Bengalis to be slaughtered. Why?

The point is that you can deliver a fiery speech in the presence of a million people but when death rings on the door, even a lion can turn into a pussy cat. Mujib surrendered as if like a pussy cat. For his betrayal, Mujib should have been arrested as soon as he arrived in Bangladesh from his hijrat to Pakistan. Check the facts to understand the fiction.

2018-03-30 23:22 GMT-04:00 Mannan Sarkar <sarkar...@yahoo.com>:

(To Be Noted: No Mention of Zia anywhere)

Sheik Mujibur Rahman declares region independent, CBS, Mar 26, 1971

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[Jalal Uddin Khan]

Thanks Shahada Bhai for exposing this Sen cum Dedar guy who doesn't have any ghilu to know what an eternal damnation is awaiting him for being a malicious murtad and turning his back on his good Maulavi father. May Allah save him from the consuming flames of hellfire.  

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:47 AM, Shahadat Suhrawardy <Shahadat...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Jalal bhai, 

This guy is not a Hindu. He is a Muslim by name, born out of a Moulavi from Barisal. Gani bhai and I are more than sure about it. As his last name was 'Islam', he even changed his name.

Shahadat

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[RANU CHOWDHURY]

Does it matter if he is a Hindu or Muslim? Let him come from any denomination, or profess any faith, it is his choice and business. What I know:

Sen71 and DeEldar are one and same person. If one has followed DeEldar's views and those of Sen71, one would find they are same. Guha, Farida Majid, one GT Russel and a few others are his sidekicks. Few are some of his ideas:

--He is a Muslim hater. Anything Islamic is bad. Anything Hinduism is great. 

--India is "mother of all nations."

--He is a hater of Bangladesh as a country. According to him, it is sinking and the people should jump this forsaken place.

--Mujib's surrender to Yahya-Tikka was a "masterstroke of statesmanship." According to him, it guaranteed the independence of Bangladesh.

--India liberated Bangladesh while Mukti Bahni kept itself busy shopping in Kolkata and Agartala.

--Ziaur Rahman was not an FF because he did not provide any picture of  war front activities, suggesting Zia should have carried a camera instead of a rifle.

--The list goes on, including some in this thread.... 

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From: Jalal Uddin Khan <juk...@gmail.com>
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Mujib's was nonviolent by name

Mujib's was nonviolent by name but in reality his Chatro League, Jubo League and the Sromik Leaguers were killing Biharis and Muslim Leaguers all over Bangladesh. Even Kabliwalas were slaughtered for speaking a non Bengal language. This was done with Indian plan to provoke Pakistani military.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 11:58 AM, Sen71 <surjo...@gmail.com> wrote:

"(1) Rahman has embarked on a Gandhian-type non-violent non-cooperation campaign which makes it harder to justify repression; and (2) the West Pakistanis lack the military capacity to put down a full scale revolt over a long period. "

Americans got it right. Under the circumstances, that was the best strategy to break the camel's (Pakistan) back. Fleeing to India would have looked very poorly on a statesman like Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. BNP and Jamat people want to find fault in Mujib's strategy when their contribution to Bangladeshi independence was very dubious and criminal. The goal is to portray Mujib in a bad light to promote a false and ugly narrative about Bangladeshi independence. Please bring more historical documents to enlighten these doubters. Thank you.   

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:33 PM, Mannan Sarkar <sarkar...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Volume XI: 

Foreign Relations, 1969-1976

South Asia Crisis, 1971

Editor: Louis J. Smith

General Editor: Edward C. Keefer

United States Government Printing Office
Washington
2005

DEPARTMENT OF STATE PUBLICATION 11199

Office of the Historian
Bureau of Public Affairs

http://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/nixon/xi/

http://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/nixon/xi/45604.htm

Washington, March 1, 1971.

Rahman is almost solely concerned about East Pakistan and is unwilling to compromise on the autonomy issue. Because he favors normalization of relations with India, he is in further conflict with Yahya and Bhutto who are both fairly hard-line toward India. The scope for compromise is probably minimal and Rahman could well decide that now is the best time to opt out of the Pakistani union. He clearly had this on his mind when he talked with Ambassador Farland on Sunday/4/ and asked about U.S. aid to an independent East Pakistan and as a lever to prevent West Pakistan from intervening militarily against a succession [secession] movement. 

We are after all witnessing the possible birth of a new nation of over 70 million people in an unstable area of Asia and, while not the controlling factor, we could have something to do with how this comes about-peacefully or by bloody civil war. 

Washington, March 4, 1971. 

Mujib has admitted to several foreign correspondents "off the record" that he will announce the equivalent to independence for East Pakistan on Sunday.

Washington, March 13, 1971

While East Pakistani leader Mujibur Rahman has stepped back a bit from a declaration of independence, the full text of his March 7 speech conveys a harsher tone than the initial summary reports, and it seems apparent that his retreat was tactical.

Our embassy in Islamabad believes that Rahman's goal remains unchanged-"emancipation" of East Pakistan from West Pakistani domination. This could still conceivably mean "full provincial autonomy" within a united Pakistan. But it is just as likely, if not more so, that Rahman has come to believe firmly that the freedom he seeks is only attainable by outright independence. His speech last Sunday would suggest an effort to achieve his goal by gradual assertion of power without risking a direct confrontation with the army that might follow a unilateral declaration of independence. 

Conclusions 

The coming days should tell whether Yahya and the West Pakistani military decide there are still grounds for trying to work out a political solution that would insure the continued unity of Pakistan. Yahya reportedly is going to Dacca to meet with Rahman shortly. 

The following would seem to be the most likely situations that could now develop: 
1. Yahya could decide not to take Rahman's challenge lying down and to retaliate, perhaps to the extent of arresting Rahman and the other leaders, and attempting to clamp a military lid on East Pakistan. There are two basic problems here: (1) Rahman has embarked on a Gandhian-type non-violent non-cooperation campaign which makes it harder to justify repression; and (2) the West Pakistanis lack the military capacity to put down a full scale revolt over a long period. 

2. A static waiting game could develop with neither the army nor the civilians prepared to take a bold initiative to break the deadlock and each hoping the other will break first. This is where we are now and Rahman would probably prefer to continue like this for a while longer so that he can gradually take de facto control of East Pakistan without forcing a showdown. 

3. There might be more tactical political moves by Yahya, Rahman or Bhutto designed to probe for areas of accommodation and buy more time without giving up anything. This has been the mode of operation so far but it may be that just about all of the possibilities in this sphere have been played out. 

In short, the Pakistan crisis is far from over and could suddenly flare up again. 

Washington, March 15, 1971

Mujib Takes Over East Pakistan; Yahya Flies to Dacca 

Sheikh Mujibur Rahman announced in Dacca early today, that his party, the Awami League, was taking over the administration of East Pakistan on the grounds that the party had a majority (288 of 300) in the Provincial Assembly. Mujib acted unilaterally and in defiance of President Yahya Khan's Martial Law Administration which continues to be the Government of Pakistan. The fact that Mujib's announcement contained 35 "directives" for assuming control of the administration indicates that it was a deliberate and carefully planned move. 

In taking this step, Mujib has directly confronted the Yahya government but has carefully avoided an unqualified declaration of East Pakistani independence and has based his action on the "democratic" voice of the people as expressed in the December election. The Yahya regime must react quickly to this critical move, and Yahya himself has flown to Dacca to talk with Mujib. 

The options available to Yahya appear to be two, either of which would further endanger the already fragile unity of Pakistan. If Yahya acquiesces in the step, he has forfeited his martial law powers, at least in the East, and would be hard pressed to retain them in the West (see below regarding Bhutto's speech on Sunday/2/). If Yahya, or others in the military, decide to resist Mujib's action by force, East Pakistan will be engulfed in a struggle between the military and the Bengali nationalists, the outcome of which can only be eventual independence of Bengal and the breaking of all ties with West Pakistan-unless, as seems unlikely in the long run, the army can successfully contain a rebellion. Mujib's statement called on Bengalis to resist "by all possible means" any force used against them. 

Washington, March 26, 1971

The West Pakistani army has moved to repress the East Pakistan secession movement. Our embassy believes that the military probably has sufficient strength to assert immediate control over Dacca and other major cities, but is not capable of maintaining control over an extended period. 

Mujibur Rahman was taken into custody at 1:00 p.m. by the martial law authorities. Two of his supporters were killed when the arrest took place. 

They say that Yahya's speech Friday/2/ night has to be heard to appreciate the venom in his voice as he described Mujibur Rahman. The fat is in the fire. Islamabad confirms that Mujibur Rahman was successfully arrested. 

A clandestine radio broadcast has Mujibur Rahman declaring the independence of Bangla Desh. 

According to Henry Kissinger, "When the Nixon administration took office, our policy objective on the subcontinent was, quite simply, to avoid adding another complication to our agenda." (Kissinger, White House Years, page 848) As events developed in South Asia, that proved to be an increasingly difficult objective to achieve. A political crisis developed in Pakistan out of Bengali demands for autonomy for East Pakistan, demands which were highlighted by the results of a general election in December 1970. The subsequent crisis, which roiled the subcontinent in conflict from March to December 1971, led to warfare between India and Pakistan, and eventuated in the transition of the east wing of Pakistan into the new nation of Bangladesh. The United States, which was using Pakistan at the time as a conduit in conducting secret negotiations with China, intervened in the crisis to try to prevent fighting between India and Pakistan. When fighting developed, the Nixon administration "tilted" toward Pakistan. 

2. Memorandum From Harold Saunders and Samuel Hoskinson of the National Security Council Staff to the President's Assistant for National Security Affairs (Kissinger)/1/ 

Washington, March 1, 1971. 

/1/ Source: National Archives, Nixon Presidential Materials, NSC Files, Box 625, Country Files, Middle East, Pakistan, Vol. IV, 1 Mar 71-15 May 71. Secret. Sent for information. 

SUBJECT 
Situation in Pakistan 
Events in Pakistan today took a major step toward a possible early move by East Pakistan for independence. 

/2/ March 3. 

The future course of events now depends largely on the decision of Mujibur Rahman and the other leaders of the dominant Awami League party in East Pakistan. A general atmosphere of tension prevails throughout Dacca, and numerous spontaneous processions and demonstrations calling for the independence of East Pakistan are reported to be underway.

It is impossible to predict what Mujibur Rahman and the Awami League will do at this point. They are most unlikely, however, to back down from their six-point program calling for virtual autonomy. It has the strong emotional and popular backing in East Pakistan and is adamantly opposed by West Pakistani leader Z.A. Bhutto, important elements of the military and many politically aware West Pakistanis. 

Rahman is almost solely concerned about East Pakistan and is unwilling to compromise on the autonomy issue. Because he favors normalization of relations with India, he is in further conflict with Yahya and Bhutto who are both fairly hard-line toward India. The scope for compromise is probably minimal and Rahman could well decide that now is the best time to opt out of the Pakistani union. He clearly had this on his mind when he talked with Ambassador Farland on Sunday/4/ and asked about U.S. aid to an independent East Pakistan and as a lever to prevent West Pakistan from intervening militarily against a succession [secession] movement. 

/4/ February 28. Farland's conversation with Mujibur Rahman was reported in telegram 540 from Dacca, February 28; published in Foreign Relations, 1969-1976, volume E-7, Documents on South Asia, 1969-1972, Document 121. 

U.S. Policy 
As you know, we have so far attempted to remain neutral and uninvolved. Our line has been that we favor the unity of Pakistan and that it is up to the Pakistanis to determine the future of their country. There is at least a theoretical alternative (which one part of CIA holds out) of urging Yahya to take the third of the West Pakistanis opposed to Bhutto and try to reach accommodation with Rahman, but that would provoke a sharp reaction in the West, even perhaps in the army. State is not inclined to become involved in this way. This issue is still open, however. 

Beyond that, we have these questions: 
-Should the U.S. be hedging its bets with East Pakistan against the possibility that East secedes? 
-If there is secession, how active should the U.S. be in trying to avoid bloodshed? 
The contingency plan ordered in NSSM 118/5/ should be finished in the next twenty-four hours. I will send that to you as soon as it arrives with a recommendation on handling. We are after all witnessing the possible birth of a new nation of over 70 million people in an unstable area of Asia and, while not the controlling factor, we could have something to do with how this comes about-peacefully or by bloody civil war. 

5. Memorandum From Harold Saunders and Samuel Hoskinson of the National Security Council Staff to the President's Assistant for National Security Affairs (Kissinger)/1/ 

/1/ Source: National Archives, Nixon Presidential Materials, NSC Files, Box 625, Country Files, Middle East, Pakistan, Vol. IV, 1 Mar 71-15 May 71. Secret. Sent for information. 

Washington, March 4, 1971. 

SUBJECT 
Situation in Pakistan 

Overnight reports from Pakistan indicate that the situation in East Pakistan is deteriorating. The following are the new developments: 

-Mujibur Rahman seems to have virtually slammed the door on the possibility of East-West accommodation by categorically rejecting President Yahya's plan to hold a conference of the major political leaders on March 10. 

-Mujib has admitted to several foreign correspondents "off the record" that he will announce the equivalent to independence for East Pakistan on Sunday./2/ He did, however, go on to say that the East and West wings should write their respective constitutions and thereafter discussions over the form of linkage could take place. [This leaves the door open to some sort of confederal relationship and is the reason we advocate-via your talking points/3/-not jumping too soon to recognition of East Pakistani independence.]/4/

6. Minutes of Senior Review Group Meeting/1/ 

Washington, March 6, 1971, 11:40 a.m.-12:20 p.m. 

/1/ Source: National Archives, Nixon Presidential Materials, NSC Files, NSC Institutional Files (H-Files), Box H-112, SRG Minutes, Originals, 1971. Secret; Nodis. No drafting information appears on the minutes. The meeting was held in the White House Situation Room. A briefer record of the meeting, prepared by Brigadier General Devol Brett of OSD, is in the Washington National Records Center, OSD Files, FRC 330 76 0197, Box 74, Pakistan 092 (Jan-Jul) 1971. 

SUBJECT 
Pakistan 

PARTICIPATION 
Chairman-Henry A. Kissinger 
State 
U. Alexis Johnson 
Christopher Van Hollen 
William Spengler 
Thomas Thornton 
Defense 
James S. Noyes 
Brig. Gen. Devol Brett 

CIA 
Richard Helms 
David H. Blee 

JCS 
Vice Adm. John Weinel 
Col. James Connell 

NSC Staff 
Col. Richard Kennedy 
Harold Saunders 
Samuel Hoskinson 
Jeanne W. Davis 

SUMMARY OF DECISIONS 
It was agreed to: 
-discuss the situation with the British to see if they would take the lead in an approach to West Pakistan to discourage the use of force, if it should become necessary; 

-advise our missions at Dacca and Islamabad of our thinking and instruct Dacca, if they receive an approach from Mujib on recognition of a separate East Pakistan regime, to say nothing and refer it to Washington; 

-consult by telephone on Sunday, March 7 following word on Mujib's speech./2/ 

/2/ Reference is to a speech Mujibur Rahman was scheduled to deliver in Dacca on March 7. 

/6/ Telegram 38122 to Islamabad and Dacca, March 6. (Ibid.) 

Mr. Van Hollen: There are three possibilities for Mujib tomorrow: a unilateral declaration of independence; something just short of that-possibly a suggestion for two separate constitutions; or acceptance of Yahya's proposal that the National Assembly meet on March 25. 

Mr. Kissinger: But doesn't Mujib control the Assembly? 

Mr. Van Hollen: Yes, but Yahya controls its convening. 

Mr. Kissinger: Why wouldn't the convening of the National Assembly on March 25 be acceptable to East Pakistan? They control the Assembly and nothing can pass without them. 

Mr. Van Hollen: They may interpret it as another stalling tactic by Yahya. 

Mr. Kissinger: If they accept the proposal for an Assembly meeting, we have no foreign policy problem. 

Mr. Johnson: I agree; the temperature drops. 

Mr. Kissinger: What would be the motive for a declaration of independence? 

Mr. Van Hollen: There has been movement in East Pakistan in that direction which was intensified by Yahya's postponement of the National Assembly meeting that was scheduled for last Wednesday./7/ Also, they have interpreted Yahya's speech yesterday as being particularly hardline, blaming Mujib for the situation and threatening the use of force. 

8. Memorandum From the President's Assistant for National Security Affairs (Kissinger) to President Nixon/1/ 

/1/ Source: Library of Congress, Manuscript Division, Kissinger Papers, Box CL 210, Geopolitical File, South Asia, Chronological File, Nov 1969-July 1971. Secret. Sent for information. President Nixon put a checkmark on the memorandum to indicate he saw it. 
Washington, March 13, 1971. 

SUBJECT 
Situation in Pakistan 

An immediate showdown between East and West Pakistan has been averted for the time being. The prospects for a reconciliation and settlement remain poor, however, and the basic elements of the situation remain essentially unchanged. 

Situation in Perspective 

President Yahya and the West Pakistani military appear determined to maintain a unified Pakistan by force if necessary. The replacement of the Military Governor in East Pakistan with a tougher man, the generally harsh tone of Yahya's March 6 speech/2/ and the explicit warning that force would be used against any move for separation are all indications in this direction. There is also evidence that the military forces in the East Wing are being gradually strengthened by troops being airlifted through Ceylon. Yahya may personally lean toward conciliation, but he must answer to the dominant hardliners in his army. 

/2/ See footnote 5, Document 6. 

While East Pakistani leader Mujibur Rahman has stepped back a bit from a declaration of independence, the full text of his March 7 speech/3/ conveys a harsher tone than the initial summary reports, and it seems apparent that his retreat was tactical. He made clear that something very close to independence, i.e., "emancipation," is his goal and that his movement will not be deflected until that is achieved. Noteworthy also is the fact that Rahman quite openly took issue with Yahya, accusing him of "submitting to the declaration of a minority" [West Pakistan]/4/ and asserting that his own Awami League is the only legitimate source of authority in the country. 

/3/ Awami League President Mujibur Rahman addressed a rally at Dacca racecourse on March 7 and called for a continuation of the "peaceful non-cooperation" movement against the government, including the closure of all government offices and educational institutions. He said that he would consider attending the National Assembly session scheduled by President Yahya for March 25 if martial law were terminated, the troops in East Pakistan were withdrawn to their barracks, and power was returned to the elected representatives of the people. (Telegram 637 from Dacca, March 7; National Archives, RG 59, Central Files 1970-73, POL PAK) 

Our embassy in Islamabad believes that Rahman's goal remains unchanged-"emancipation" of East Pakistan from West Pakistani domination. This could still conceivably mean "full provincial autonomy" within a united Pakistan. But it is just as likely, if not more so, that Rahman has come to believe firmly that the freedom he seeks is only attainable by outright independence. His speech last Sunday would suggest an effort to achieve his goal by gradual assertion of power without risking a direct confrontation with the army that might follow a unilateral declaration of independence. 

Conclusions 

The coming days should tell whether Yahya and the West Pakistani military decide there are still grounds for trying to work out a political solution that would insure the continued unity of Pakistan. Yahya reportedly is going to Dacca to meet with Rahman shortly. 

The following would seem to be the most likely situations that could now develop: 
1. Yahya could decide not to take Rahman's challenge lying down and to retaliate, perhaps to the extent of arresting Rahman and the other leaders, and attempting to clamp a military lid on East Pakistan. There are two basic problems here: (1) Rahman has embarked on a Gandhian-type non-violent non-cooperation campaign which makes it harder to justify repression; and (2) the West Pakistanis lack the military capacity to put down a full scale revolt over a long period. 

2. A static waiting game could develop with neither the army nor the civilians prepared to take a bold initiative to break the deadlock and each hoping the other will break first. This is where we are now and Rahman would probably prefer to continue like this for a while longer so that he can gradually take de facto control of East Pakistan without forcing a showdown. 

3. There might be more tactical political moves by Yahya, Rahman or Bhutto designed to probe for areas of accommodation and buy more time without giving up anything. This has been the mode of operation so far but it may be that just about all of the possibilities in this sphere have been played out. 

In short, the Pakistan crisis is far from over and could suddenly flare up again. 

As you know, the Senior Review Group met last Saturday/5/ to consider the U.S. posture at this juncture. It was generally agreed that very little, if anything, could be gained by U.S. diplomatic intervention at this point and that the best posture was to remain inactive and do nothing that Yahya might find objectionable. The choice was basically between continuing on this course, at least until the situation jelled, and weighing in now with Yahya in an effort to prevent the possible outbreak of a bloody civil war. The case for inaction at this point is: 

/5/ March 6; see Document 6. 

-It is not necessary for us to shift now to a more activist approach since Yahya knows we favor unity and is doing everything possible to achieve a political settlement. 
-It is undesirable for us to intervene now since we could realistically have little influence on the situation and anything we might do could be resented by the West Pakistanis as unwarranted interference and jeopardize our future relations. 

It should be pointed out that the main cost of following this approach is that it may jeopardize our future relations with East Pakistan if it becomes independent. On balance, however, it is a more defensible position to operate as if the country remains united than to take any move that would appear to encourage separation. I know you share that view. 

9. Information Memorandum From the Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern and South Asian Affairs (Sisco) to Secretary of State Rogers/1/ 

Washington, March 15, 1971. 

/1/ Source: National Archives, RG 59, Central Files 1970-73, POL 23-8 PAK. Confidential. Drafted by Craig Baxter (NEA/PAF) and cleared by Spengler and Van Hollen. 

SUBJECT 

Mujib Takes Over East Pakistan; Yahya Flies to Dacca 

Sheikh Mujibur Rahman announced in Dacca early today, that his party, the Awami League, was taking over the administration of East Pakistan on the grounds that the party had a majority (288 of 300) in the Provincial Assembly. Mujib acted unilaterally and in defiance of President Yahya Khan's Martial Law Administration which continues to be the Government of Pakistan. The fact that Mujib's announcement contained 35 "directives" for assuming control of the administration indicates that it was a deliberate and carefully planned move. 

In taking this step, Mujib has directly confronted the Yahya government but has carefully avoided an unqualified declaration of East Pakistani independence and has based his action on the "democratic" voice of the people as expressed in the December election. The Yahya regime must react quickly to this critical move, and Yahya himself has flown to Dacca to talk with Mujib. 

The options available to Yahya appear to be two, either of which would further endanger the already fragile unity of Pakistan. If Yahya acquiesces in the step, he has forfeited his martial law powers, at least in the East, and would be hard pressed to retain them in the West (see below regarding Bhutto's speech on Sunday/2/). If Yahya, or others in the military, decide to resist Mujib's action by force, East Pakistan will be engulfed in a struggle between the military and the Bengali nationalists, the outcome of which can only be eventual independence of Bengal and the breaking of all ties with West Pakistan-unless, as seems unlikely in the long run, the army can successfully contain a rebellion. Mujib's statement called on Bengalis to resist "by all possible means" any force used against them. 

/2/ March 14. 

In a speech in Karachi on Sunday, West Pakistan political leader Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto demanded that power be turned over to majority parties in each wing, Bhutto's in the West, Mujib's in the East. Bhutto's speech, in fact, may have triggered Mujib's action. It may also indicate what has been suspected for some time, that Bhutto has decided that his chances of attaining power in the West are best achieved by a split-total or nearly so-in the country. However, Bhutto has less opportunity to act than Mujib because the army is strong in the West and could probably contain a rebellion. 

The day's events cast further doubt on continued unity in Pakistan. Yahya's response will be the most important determining factor. 

10. Memorandum From the President's Assistant for National Security Affairs (Kissinger) to President Nixon/1/ 

Washington, March 26, 1971. 

/1/ Source: National Archives, Nixon Presidential Materials, NSC Files, Box 625, Country Files, Middle East, Pakistan, Vol. IV, 1 Mar 71-15 May 71. Secret; Nodis. Sent for information. A handwritten notation on the memorandum indicates the President saw it. 

SUBJECT 
Situation in Pakistan 

The West Pakistani army has moved to repress the East Pakistan secession movement. Our embassy believes that the military probably has sufficient strength to assert immediate control over Dacca and other major cities, but is not capable of maintaining control over an extended period. This raises two immediate problems for us: (1) the safety of official and private Americans, and (2) the U.S. role, if any, in a peacemaking effort. I have called a WSAG meeting for 3:00 p.m. today and will provide recommendations after that. 

11. Minutes of Washington Special Actions Group Meeting/1/ 

Washington, March 26, 1971, 3:03-3:32 p.m. 

/1/ Source: National Archives, Nixon Presidential Materials, NSC Files, NSC Institutional Files (H-Files), Box H-115, WSAG Minutes, Originals, 1971. Top Secret; Nodis. No drafting information appears on the minutes. The meeting was held in the White House Situation Room. A briefer record of the meeting was prepared in OASD/ISA by James Noyes. (Washington National Records Center, OSD Files, FRC 330 76 0197, Box 74, Pakistan 092 (Jan-Jul) 1971) 

SUBJECT 
Pakistan 

PARTICIPATION 

Chairman-Henry A. Kissinger 

State 
Mr. U. Alexis Johnson 
Mr. Christopher Van Hollen 
Defense 
Mr. David Packard 
Mr. James H. Noyes 

CIA 
Mr. Richard Helms 
Mr. David Blee 

JCS 
Lt. Gen. Melvin Zais 
Col. Frank W. Rhea 

NSC Staff 
Col. Richard T. Kennedy 
Mr. Harold H. Saunders 
Mr. Sam Hoskinson 
Mr. Keith Guthrie 

SUMMARY OF CONCLUSIONS 

After reviewing the situation in East Pakistan, the WSAG agreed that the U.S. should continue its policy of non-involvement in the dispute between West and East Pakistan. In particular, the U.S. should avoid being placed in a position where it could be accused of having encouraged the break-up of Pakistan. The WSAG agreed that the U.S. should delay action on any request that might be forthcoming for recognition of an independent East Pakistani regime. 

The WSAG agreed that the State Department should be responsible for monitoring developments in Pakistan on a day-to-day basis and for insuring that the White House is fully informed. The State Department should insure that adequate preparations have been made to evacuate U.S. citizens should that become necessary. 

Mr. Helms: [1 line of source text not declassified] the situation in the area of the Consulate General is very quiet but that an enormous fire has been going on for hours in the old part of the city. Very few shots or explosions have been heard. Only two of the Consulate personnel had been able to get to the Consulate building by 6:30 p.m. 

[1 line of source text not declassified] Mujibur Rahman was taken into custody at 1:00 p.m. by the martial law authorities. Two of his supporters were killed when the arrest took place. [2 lines of source text not declassified] 

[11/2 lines of source text not declassified] They say that Yahya's speech Friday/2/ night has to be heard to appreciate the venom in his voice as he described Mujibur Rahman. The fat is in the fire. Islamabad confirms that Mujibur Rahman was successfully arrested. 

/2/ March 26. 

It is unclear what caused the collapse of the talks. 
Dr. Kissinger: Yesterday it looked as though an agreement were in sight. 

Mr. Helms: Yes, an agreement appeared near on March 24. The breakdown may have been because of Mujibur Rahman's insistence on the immediate lifting of martial law. 

A clandestine radio broadcast has Mujibur Rahman declaring the independence of Bangla Desh. There are 20,000 loyal West Pakistani troops in East Pakistan. There are also 5,000 East Pakistani regulars and 13,000 East Pakistani paramilitary troops, but their loyalty is doubtful. We cannot confirm Indian press reports that a large number of Pakistani troops landed by ship. Six C-130s carrying troops were supposed to be going from Karachi to Dacca today. It will take them a long time, since they have to go via Ceylon. 

……

Dr. Kissinger: What do you think is going to happen? 

Mr. Van Hollen: An effort will be made to prevent secession. However, the ability of the West Pakistani forces to maintain law and order in East Pakistan over the long run approaches zero. They may be able to control Dacca, but the Awami leadership will move to the countryside. 

Dr. Kissinger: Do you think the Awami will organize a resistance? 

Mr. Van Hollen: They began to prepare for it last month. 

Dr. Kissinger: If their leaders are arrested, can they continue? 

Mr. Van Hollen: Yes, because of the tremendous popular sentiment behind them. After all, they won 160 out of 162 of the Assembly seats from East Pakistan in the election. 

Dr. Kissinger: Then the prognosis is for civil war resulting eventually in independence or for independence fairly quickly. 

Mr. Van Hollen: That's right. 

Dr. Kissinger: Now that Yahya has taken the lead in opposing the secession, how will he be able to back off without fighting? 

Mr. Van Hollen: It will be very difficult. He was on record as early as March 6 as opposing secession. 

Mr. Johnson: The question is how long he can sustain this policy. 

Dr. Kissinger: How long can he supply his forces in East Pakistan? 

Mr. Van Hollen: It will be very difficult to do so. 

Dr. Kissinger: Do his forces have stocks in East Pakistan? 

Mr. Helms: No. 

Mr. Van Hollen: There is one understrength division there. It has effective control of only a part of Dacca. It is surrounded by 75 million hostile Bengalis, who could easily be stirred up, particularly if Mujibur Rahman is arrested. 

Dr. Kissinger: What is the prognosis for the next few days? 

Mr. Johnson: Dawn comes in Dacca at 7:00 or 8:00 p.m. our time. We will know better in one more day how much bloodletting there is likely to be. 

[Sitangshu Guha]

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পহেলা বৈশাখ নিয়ে বাঙালী খ্রিস্টানদের কোন ধর্মীয় সংঘাত নেই। বাঙালী বৌদ্ধ, হিন্দুদের কোন সমস্যা নেই। জাতিগত সম্প্রদায় চাকমা মারমা সাঁওতালসহ আরো যে সব জাতিগোষ্ঠির নিজস্ব বর্ষবরণ আছে, তারপরও বৃহত্তর বাঙালী জাতিগোষ্ঠির পহেলা বৈশাখকে উৎযাপন করতে তাদের কোন সমস্যা হয় না। প্রশ্ন তুলেছে কেবল বাঙালী মুসলমানরা। তবে এটিকে ‘বাঙালী মুসলমান সংকট’ বলে ব্রেকেটে ফেলে দিলে আরো বড় সত্যকে আড়াল করা হবে। 

একজন চাইনিজ মুসলমান একইভাবে চাইনিজদের সংস্কৃতিগত ঐক্যকে ফাটল ধরায়। চাইনিজ মুসলমানদের সকলের নাম আরবীতে রাখা হয়। সংখ্যায় কম হবার কারণে এবং চাইনিজ সরকারের কোন ছাড় না থাকায় সেখানকার মুসলিমদের পক্ষে চীনের ইতিহাস ঐতিহ্য জাতিসত্ত্বাকে মুসলমান পরিচয়ে বিভক্ত করতে পারছে না। দোষটা মুসলমানদের নয়, দোষটা তাদের ধর্মের। ইসলামের উপনিবেশ সমস্ত জাতি ও সংস্কৃতির বিরুদ্ধে। ইসলাম আরবী সংস্কৃতিকে ধ্বংস করেছে। বহু ধর্ম ও জাতির মিলন স্থান আরবকে মুসলিম জাতীয়তাবাদ দিয়ে নিশ্চহৃ করে দিয়েছে। যে কোন জাতির সংস্কৃতিই ইসলামের চোখে কুফরি, বিদাত, জাহেলি, শয়তানের পদঙ্ক…। এ কারণেই মুসলমানরা যে কোন জাতি গোষ্ঠির মধ্যে মিলেমিশে থাকতে পারে না। ইসলাম যখন থেকে বাঙালীদের মধ্যে প্রবেশ করেছে তখনই সে একজন বাঙালীকে তার সংস্কৃতির বিরুদ্ধে দাঁড় করিয়ে দিয়েছে। একজন ভারতবর্ষীকে নিজ ভূমি থেকে আরবের ধূসর মরুভূমিকে তার কেন্দ্র বানিয়ে নিজ দেশে পরবাসী করে তুলেছে। পৃথিবীর এমন কোন মহাদেশ নেই, এমন কোন জাতি নেই যেখানে ইসলাম ধর্মালম্বণীরা বিরোধ সৃষ্টি করেনি স্থানীয় কালচারের বিরুদ্ধে। পহেলা বৈশাখকে তাই কুফরি, হিন্দুয়ানী বলে বর্জনের প্রতি বছরের যে ডাক অভিনব কিছু নয়। এটি পুরোপুরি ইসলামসম্মত!

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 2:47 PM RANU CHOWDHURY <ran...@hotmail.com> wrote:

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Does it matter if he is a Hindu or Muslim? Let him come from any denomination, or profess any faith, it is his choice and business. What I know:

Sen71 and DeEldar are one and same person. If one has followed DeEldar's views and those of Sen71, one would find they are same. Guha, Farida Majid, one GT Russel and a few others are his sidekicks. Few are some of his ideas:

--He is a Muslim hater. Anything Islamic is bad. Anything Hinduism is great. 

--India is "mother of all nations."

--He is a hater of Bangladesh as a country. According to him, it is sinking and the people should jump this forsaken place.

--Mujib's surrender to Yahya-Tikka was a "masterstroke of statesmanship." According to him, it guaranteed the independence of Bangladesh.

--India liberated Bangladesh while Mukti Bahni kept itself busy shopping in Kolkata and Agartala.

--Ziaur Rahman was not an FF because he did not provide any picture of  war front activities, suggesting Zia should have carried a camera instead of a rifle.

--The list goes on, including some in this thread.... 

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Sitanggshu Guha

[Jalal Uddin Khan]

Neither mujib nor any member of his family was a freedom fighter. Directly or indirectly they were all under the care and comfort of the Pakistanis. Mujib offered himself to the safety and security of the Pakistanis leaving the people to die. Hasina enjoying the love and care of the Pakistanis was full of praise for them while expressing hatred for the Bengalis. See Matiur Rahman Rentu's book   Amar Fashi Chai.

On Apr 12, 2018 11:41 PM, "Sen71" <surjo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Only Mujib was there to take the Pakistani heat while others took safe shelters. Whether he was a violent man in his private life, that immaterial to how first salvo was fired and how the case was made for an independent Bangladesh. Bhasani did not stand his ground but chose to cross the border. Not anymore shameful than just another regular citizen. As far as I know, he did not start any Kami-Kanji attack force in India to defeat Pakistani soldiers. People should look at the bigger picture than criticizing the man who brought independence to an instant reality. Love him or hate him but that has no value at this point of time.

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[Sitangshu Guha]

BRAVO

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 5:10 PM DeEldar <shahd...@gmail.com> wrote:

If there was a creator, he would have made you an useful camel for greater good of this universe. 

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 4:22 PM, Razzak Syed <ams...@aol.com> wrote:

“দোষটা মুসলমানদের নয়, দোষটা তাদের ধর্মের। ইসলামের উপনিবেশ সমস্ত জাতি ও সংস্কৃতির বিরুদ্ধে। ইসলাম আরবী সংস্কৃতিকে ধ্বংস করেছে। বহু ধর্ম ও জাতির মিলন স্থান আরবকে মুসলিম জাতীয়তাবাদ দিয়ে নিশ্চহৃ করে দিয়েছে। যে কোন জাতির সংস্কৃতিই ইসলামের চোখে কুফরি, বিদাত, জাহেলি, শয়তানের পদঙ্ক…।”

কথাটা গুহ্য বাবুদের দৃষটিতে সত্য, কারন ইসলাম একমাএ ধর্ম, যে ধর্মে মুর্তি পুজা নিষিদ্ধ এবং দৃডভাবে বিশ্বাস করতে হয় “ সৃষটিকর্তা একজন এবং তার কোন শরিক নাই”, কাজেই অন্য ধর্ম বিশবাসিদের গায়ে তো লাগবে। গুহ্য বাবুরা তো নিজেদের ধর্ম সম্পর্কে কোন জ্ঞাণ রাখেন না, ইসলাম নিয়ে মাতামাতি করেন, তবে মাতামাতি টা কাজের হতো যদি সততার সাথে ইসলামকে জানার চেষ্টা করতেন। মরার মুহুর্তে ঠিকই বুঝতে পারবেন, কিন্তু তখন না কাওকে বলতে পারবেন বা নিজেকে শুধরাতে পারবেন। 

সময় থাকতে সৃষ্টিকর্তা চিনুন আর কথামত চলেন।

Razzak A. Syed

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Sitanggshu Guha

[RANU CHOWDHURY]

"They all chose to stand their ground to show the courage."

This has gone overboard. There is limit to coward worshiping! 

Mujib and his family stood their grounds and showed courage by surrendering to killer Yahya-Tikka? By enjoying royal treatment under Pakistanis? And the 70 million Bengalis who faced the Pakistani bullets and batons were all stupid idiots?

Bangladesh government in exile was a foolish step and illegal? 300,000 freedom fighters were stupids and criminals? Hundreds of thousand shaheeds at the hands of the Pakistanis were fools?

Yet, Mujib did not waste time to head the product of the illegal (exile) government and the sacrifice of stupids and criminals immediately upon setting his feet on the independent country?

 "If Pakistani army had done any harm to these people, 90,000 Pakistani soldiers would have never returned to Pakistan." 

Really? Why then there was no tear, no innalillah when Mujib fell on August 15, 1975? Why nobody was willing to join the Janaza of Mujib (only 17 could be forcibly collected) ? 75 million people did not have guns pointed on their heads not to show their love for Mujib.

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It’s obvious, Zia didn’t do it mischievously for himself, he did it for the nation, Mujib and his family was mischievous, they never could dreamt  that Freedom fighters like Ziaur Rahman will win against Pakistan. So, they remained with Pakistani as their citizens.

 Razzak A. Syed

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On 13 Apr 2018, at 07:40, Sen71 <surjo...@gmail.com> wrote:

They all chose to stand their ground to show the courage. If Pakistani army had done any harm to these people, 90,000 Pakistani soldiers would have never returned to Pakistan. These family members had a noble and honorable reason to stay in Dacca while Begum Zia had no reason to stay in Dacca cantonment with the Pakistani army and carry out a very disgraceful and dishonest life. Analyze these two scenarios!

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[M. Aleem]

A Pakistani rajbondi eating porota gosto daily took the heat? Yeah, heat of the food, for sure.

No other leader in the world history had such a luxerious  wartime life and a grand heros reception a month after victory. 

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On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 3:41 PM, Sen71

<surjo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Only Mujib was there to take the Pakistani heat while others took safe shelters. Whether he was a violent man in his private life, that immaterial to how first salvo was fired and how the case was made for an independent Bangladesh. Bhasani did not stand his ground but chose to cross the border. Not anymore shameful than just another regular citizen. As far as I know, he did not start any Kami-Kanji attack force in India to defeat Pakistani soldiers. People should look at the bigger picture than criticizing the man who brought independence to an instant reality. Love him or hate him but that has no value at this point of time.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Post Card <abahar...@gmail.com> wrote:

[RANU CHOWDHURY]

This discussion is an old one with DeEldar. 

One not being in the war front in 1971 has no idea how it was fought. How do you say "Zia did not win any war?" Were you in the Z Force? Or, any force at all, anywhere in 1971? A war historian? What do you know about the victories of Z Force? I know because I was there. After the war, Z Force had earned the maximum number of gallantry awards. Bangladesh government was not an idiot like you to bestow those honors on the fighters, dead and alive. Zia himself won Bir Uttam. BTW, then Captain Ziaur Rahman won Hilal-e-Jurat, the second highest gallantry award in the 1965. His 1 Bengal, under Lt Col ATK Haque (Bengali), fought in Khem Karan sector against India. In that war too, 1 Bengal won the highest number of awards. So think before you open your ugly mouth against Ziaur Rahman.

None of the Mukti Bahini (MB) forces had tanks, but Z Force and S Force had own artillery. Even when India joined the war on December 4, 1971, there was no tank either to start with. Nobody denies Indian support in our war efforts-- military, material and moral. It would have been difficult to sustain our war activities without Indian backing. However, India was not alone; many outside countries and international communities came forward to help the Mukti Bahini; and aids poured in.

Until July, limited help was provided to the MB through BSF only. After the 7- Point Agreement Indira Gandhi imposed on Tajuddin in July, did India provide weapons to form three conventional (regular) Brigades-- Z Force, S Force and K Force, in addition to sector troops under 11 Sector Commanders. Yet, while the MB fought the Pakistanis, Indian support elements remained at the back. India came openly after the declaration of war on December 4. By that time Pakistani forces in East Pakistan were crippled and became sitting ducks without air or naval power. The war continued until December 13 when General Manekshaw started the psychological warfare with Sam Manekshaw Ka Paigham asking the Pakistanis to surrender or face annihilation. The surrender came after two days and formalized on December 16. Though the Pakistanis surrendered to the Joint Command of India and Bangladesh, India mischievously kept any representative of MB during the ceremony. Not only that. Indian history does not acknowledge the existence and contribution of MB in 1971. Later, India took away, rather looted, the entire sophisticated weaponry of 5+ Pakistani Divisions, which rightfully belonged to Bangladesh. No wonder you are singing your masters (Indian) voice.

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There is day and night difference between a regular soldier and a leader/father of a nation. Zia did not win any war. He was only conducting hit and run skirmishes without really any frontal battle with the Pakistanis. In those days, battles were not won by Kalasnikovs or machine guns. As we know, Zia and his force did not posses any tanks or powerful artillery to fight against a very well equipped Pakistani soldiers. Without any full Indian intervention, Pakistan would have stayed in East Pakistan for many more years with the help of great numbers of Bengali/Bihari collaborators and Razakars. There is no shame to acknowledge that Indians liberated the country and Pakistanis surrendered to General Aurora and not to soldier Zia. Get the facts right, Sir. Zia's value and contribution was overly inflated and corrupted.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8FqfHcvr0c 

1971 Indo Pak War - RARE VIDEO - Bangladesh Liberation www.youtube.com Full video:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_kP0A60tNA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOnQ2gDG1gM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN9aRP-TW0E

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Razzak Syed <ams...@aol.com> wrote:

It’s obvious, Zia didn’t do it mischievously for himself, he did it for the nation, Mujib and his family was mischievous, they never could dreamt  that Freedom fighters like Ziaur Rahman will win against Pakistan. So, they remained with Pakistani as their citizens.

 Razzak A. Syed

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On 13 Apr 2018, at 07:40, Sen71 <surjo...@gmail.com> wrote:

They all chose to stand their ground to show the courage. If Pakistani army had done any harm to these people, 90,000 Pakistani soldiers would have never returned to Pakistan. These family members had a noble and honorable reason to stay in Dacca while Begum Zia had no reason to stay in Dacca cantonment with the Pakistani army and carry out a very disgraceful and dishonest life. Analyze these two scenarios!

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[RANU CHOWDHURY]

Sorry, I am wasting my time and losing my temper. You have your knowledge, understanding and conviction. I have mine. 

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Are we talking about Zia being a Pakistani soldier? Fighting in the western front? Should we put that in his Bangladesh resume? What is the relevance? Pakistan lost all their wars against Indians as far as the history goes.

[RANU CHOWDHURY]

Sorry to butt in again. 

Records of Mukti Juddho are available in Bangladesh, most authentic ones being compiled under Hassan Hafizur Rahman in 15 volumes. There are tons of books written by eminent freedom fighters and historians. Dig them. Those who could not join the liberation war for whatever reasons, "grapes are sour" for them. To them, the bleeding and sacrifices of fighters were "bloated" and "inflated", even though I don't disagree about a few misplaced honors, as well as a few genuine ones missing them (Major Jalil being one). Yes, the only inflated figure I know is Mujib's "3 million Shaheeds" of war.

Remember, you had earlier wanted documentary proof that Zia was a freedom fighter, as if Zia should have carried a camera with him?

Remember, you took himalayan convincing to agree that Yahya's Affidavit was genuine?

Remember, you wanted proof that Zia could speak Bangla, as if he spoke in English or Urdu or Greek during the war or during his presidency?

I don't usually use foul words unless pushed to the extreme. Wise people advise not to argue with a fool, because one may not find the difference. 

So, over and out. 

Thanks.

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Show me some war documentary about Zia winning a battle against Pakistanis with his fancy artillery. And you being the witness when you think your liberation story is more credible than others? How many Pakis did run away from the front from that frontal assault? People were simply given too many unnecessary awards by corrupt people for no good reason except to inflate their egos. Finally, they used those big inflated egos to butcher the first family including the women and children.
Now a days it is impossible to find a person who did not fight the freedom fight when it is obvious that the person was not even born in 1971. So, please stop telling all these tall tales to me about liberation war. We know who were heroes and who were not. Everything is/was inflated to its maximum absurdity. Lies are more rampant than fleas on a dead rat.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:11 PM, RANU CHOWDHURY <ran...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[Post Card]

MUJIB SUFFERED IN PAKISTAN!!!

Mujib was a liar saying he suffered in Pakistan What about his family in Dhaka. Hasina had so much comfort in the company of Pakistanis in their protection that she even had her Joy born. Didn't Mujib voluntarily surrendered? "A Pakistani rajbondi eating porota gosto daily took the heat? Yeah, heat of the food, for sure."

True, "No other leader in the world history had such a luxerious  wartime life and a grand heros reception a month after victory. "

As soon as he arrived in Dhaka, he should have been escorted to custody as the #1 Pakistani razakar. Like Golam Azam had great background first but later on was a betrayer, Mujib should have the same fate for his razakari.

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[M. Aleem]

Interesting...

Was there press/publications during liberation war on sector commanders' success/victories? Let's think Zia was at the bottom in success... There were 10 other sector commanders... Could you show pictures of others with press focus?

I have seen some photos of Kader Siddiqui killing biharis ... Not sure that can be counted as victory... Victory over helpless people? 

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Good as garbage as we know how Bangladeshi history was written and compiled by many openly partisan hacks! I have more trust on the foreigners writing about Bangladesh liberation than Bangladeshis distorting their own liberation history. Intelligent people should read then time news papers and watch documentaries rather than relying one or two paid authors, who did not only smoke but inhaled a great deal of toxic substance. I have no time to argue with you until you show me some goods and documentary from then time about Zia's victories. As a person of rigor, I go for proof and evidences and you have totally failed in that regard. When you suggest Zia's announcement from Kalurghat is more important for Bangladeshi independence than Mujib's 7th March speech, I understand where you come from.
Yes, Zia did not have to carry any camera. But, he was such an important sector commander that no press followed his grand victories and document them?  You are wasting my time. 

http://2001-2009.state.gov/r/p a/ho/frus/nixon/xi/

http://2001-2009.state.gov/r/p a/ho/frus/nixon/xi/45604.htm

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[RANU CHOWDHURY]

I still feel BNP and the opposition should not go for elections unless it is held under a CTG. Without CTG, it would be a replay of January 5 (2014). If BNP participates in it, a few symbolic seats will not give it any clout whatsoever. But it will give the winner a greater legitimacy. On the other hand, a BNP less election this time may be difficult to feed the nation and the world. Police regime has its limitations too.  

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Subject: Re: preparation of Dirty Election by BAL

 

Recently I visited a small town in Bangladesh, for my personal needs, I was sitting with the ‘Officer In-Charge’ of the Police. In my presence, OC was briefing his officers to visit every single schools and government institutions to collect data on individual’s who are likely to be participating as a polling officials. He also mentioned that each individual should be categorised as a follower of a political party either ‘BAL’ or ‘BNP’ or ‘BJP’ or ‘BJI’, but no ‘neutral’, if anyone claims neutrality must be marked as ‘BJI or BNP’.

That shows how desperate this BAL to win the elections. When OC realised my shock, his expression was “ bhaijaan, we are so concerned for forthcoming elections that we cannot sleep, but EC has no headache, all headache is ours”. I had no choice other than nodding my head.

BNP still busy on arranging procession, I think should be more vigilant and visiting their constituents and meeting the voters and identify the individual voters and work on them and plan a election strategy to defeat the BAL’s strategy.

Razzak Syed

[Jalal Uddin Khan]

Difficult to say in clear black and white. It's all hazy and grayish. To be or not to be. 2014 was a not to be and it has been worse since. So why not this time be a to be? After all, there may be a greater national opposition unity looming large, unlike 2014. Let's see. Hasina-BAL must be successfully challenged either through election or fierce opposition to the election. 

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 11:29 PM, 'R Syed' via North America Bangladeshi Community <na...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I agree with you RC bhai. It’s all planned by Indian advisers. Now it’s clear that irrespective of election takes place or not, BAL will remain in power 

 Razzak A. Syed

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[Jalal Uddin Khan]

No one wants terrorists--be they Hindu or Muslim. However, BNP must remain pro-Islamic/pro-Muslim as much as pro-Nationalist and patriotic. Bangladesh must maintain its Islamic identity. Say "No" to pro-Hindu BAL atheists and secularists. Lutfuzzamam Babar was a great home minister, far superior to the super beautiful Shahara Khatun, Farmers' Bank Chor Mokha Alamgir and all the rest of BALs.

On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 3:23 PM, R Syed <ams...@aol.com> wrote:

“If BNP wants to fight BAL in the poll, it needs to be transparent about not bringing back the Bangla-Bhai/ ISIS terror to Bangladesh”

That’s your parents and uncles from Indian has to ensure. They are their creations, nothing to do with BNP.

 Razzak A. Syed


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> If BNP wants to fight BAL in the poll, it needs to be transparent about not bringing back the Bangla-Bhai/ ISIS terror to Bangladesh with a criminal minister like Babar.

[Sitangshu Guha]

Only one mistake: Terrorists are designated to one particular religious group...Hindus, Christians, Buddhist, Sikh, Jain, Jew doesn’t fits there at this time!! Thanks 

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You must be crazy. Modi, BJP, RSS, Hindu priests and politicians, Buddhist Burmese monks, Hindu-loving hasna--all are blood sucking terrorists of the first order. 

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A mob of Hindus wielding swords and sticks back off after Indian Rapid Reaction Force officers stopped them from attacking a small group of Muslims March 1, 2002 in Ahmadabad, India. (Ami Vitale/Getty Images) . 

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You must be crazy. Modi, BJP, RSS, Hindu priests and politicians, Buddhist Burmese monks, Hindu-loving hasna--all are blood sucking terrorists of the first order. 

On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Sitangshu Guha <guh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Only one mistake: Terrorists are designated to one particular religious group...Hindus, Christians, Buddhist, Sikh, Jain, Jew doesn’t fits there at this time!! Thanks 

On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 2:35 PM Jalal Uddin Khan <juk...@gmail.com> wrote:

No one wants terrorists--be they Hindu or Muslim. However, BNP must remain pro-Islamic/pro-Muslim as much as pro-Nationalist and patriotic. Bangladesh must maintain its Islamic identity. Say "No" to pro-Hindu BAL atheists and secularists. Lutfuzzamam Babar was a great home minister, far superior to the super beautiful Shahara Khatun, Farmers' Bank Chor Mokha Alamgir and all the rest of BALs.

On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 3:23 PM, R Syed <ams...@aol.com> wrote:

“If BNP wants to fight BAL in the poll, it needs to be transparent about not bringing back the Bangla-Bhai/ ISIS terror to Bangladesh”

That’s your parents and uncles from Indian has to ensure. They are their creations, nothing to do with BNP.

 Razzak A. Syed


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[RANU CHOWDHURY]

Bulldozer and killers of innocents in Gaza are not Muslims; carpet bombers in Syria are not all Muslims; trouble in Ukraine was not the creation of Muslims; 10,000 bombing attacks committed in Northern Ireland and Great Britain were not the acts of Islamists; Uighurs and  Tibetans are not victimized by Muslims, Kashmiris are not massacred by Muslims; the Vegas killer was not a Muslim; the Killing Fields in Cambodia and the genocide in Rwanda were not committed by Islam. Some Islamists fight back because they were pushed against the wall, and you call them "terrorists." For some, fighting for independence is designated as "terrorism" by adversaries. George Washington, Gandhi, Nehru, Jinnah, Subash Bose, Arafat, Mandela, Mukti Joddhas of 1971--all fall in the same category. 

All said, a terrorist who kills innocents has no faith, least of all Islam, which never sanctions such acts under any circumstances. If such a person carries an Islamic name, or conducts such acts in the name of Islam, he is no Muslim and should be condemned in the strongest of terms.  

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[RANU CHOWDHURY]

"Them(n) came Omar , who declare(d) it is plain stupidity to argue when they can use swords." I am not sure how authentic this statement is. Here is what I know of Omar: 

Omar was a fierce anti-new faith and headed, with an open sword in hand, to kill Prophet Muhammad (SM). One the way, he happened to listen to a verse of the Quran from the recitations of his newly converted sister and her husband, and his heart meted. He ran to the Prophet, still sword in hand, and accepted Islam. Brave as he was, he made no secret of his conversion to his clan. Omar had become a changed person since. What I learned from various authentic sources, he was a strickler of Islamic injunctions (for which he caned to death--not beheaded--his son for alcohol drinking. Half the way of canning, the offender died and the balance was carried out over his grave. I understand, Abu Bakr did so to one of his offending sons too.). He also ordered the new governors of Damascus and Baghdad to demolish the Roman and Persian style palaces they built for themselves. After the fall of Jerusalem to Muslims, the Roman governor desired to surrender to the Islamic Caliph. The supremely attired governor was shocked to see a tall, baldy, dark person in ragtag arriving on a horseback with only a few aides. He was Omar, the Caliph of the Islamic world.  

In fact, Omar was against harsh treatments to the defeated enemy and forceful conversions. He asked Caliph Abu Bakr to take action against Commander-in-Chief Khaled bin Walid, who earned a reputation for such actions. Abu Bakr didn't oblige, knowing Khaled's value. When he became Caliph, Omar immediately reduced Commanding General Khaled to an ordinary soldier under his deputy Abu Obaidah. But acknowledging his former boss's personal bravery and superior battle tactics, Abu Obaidah always kept Khaled by his side and invariably sent him where other generals failed or were finding difficulty with the enemies. Reportedly, Khaled never lost a war and became a legend in the Arab world. When reduced to a soldier, many admiring women shaved their heads in his honor. Khaled died rather young--in his early fifties--mostly due to many battle wounds he suffered. Omar said to have visited his grave often and wept.

By all accounts, Omar's Caliphate was the best.  

 

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Well, BNP did projected  religious image which only led to it to dire predicament it find itself. BNP will not enemy anymore , when 70%+ its supporters identify themselves as atheist or secular are pushed out. But Hasina cannot thank enough for this advise to BNP, because that’s suits her and Jamaat blue print for BNP in 1994. Tarique Zia dreaded this , so made uttered the famous statement religion and politics shouldn’t mixed, 

The definition of stupidity that  Einstein made famous is “ do the same thing over and over again , and expect to see different results”.

Let me tell you something on Islam and stupidity. Prophet (pubs) pride himself for method of his preaching, which is  arguing with kafir for teaching of Islam. Them came Omar , who declare it is plain stupidity to argue when they can use swords.  Now hardly any Muslims engage in arguing if they can avoid it, whose preaching method is more valued here, Omar or PM. PM spend his time arguing for years, but never got attacked by kafirs, that show tolerance of so-called kafirs. Omar bragged  of his  beheading counts , he even beheaded his own son for drink alcohols; human body creates thousands gallons of alcohol in stomach of each person every year, check that info , with graduates from Medical schools for confirmation. I am not for alcohols consumption, be don’t see justification of cruelty to them,either.

Lip servicing PM’s preaching but practicing or raving  Omar values is misguided Islam. 

If Khaled is put to death in jail, which is increasingly likelyhood, you have nobody but Jamar in  1994.

I say BNP should be pro people , be they Hindu or Muslim; as Khaleda always strides for under the circumstances she was dealt with.

0809.2018, 15:35, "Jalal Uddin Khan" <juk...@gmail.com>:

[Jalal Uddin Khan]

Destructive Deldar is a foolish progeny of the BAL hasina terror and tyranny. He wants to tarnish the image of the patriotic and peace loving BNP  and its great leaders, young or old. Deldar lives in the land of the deaf and dumb if he believes the BAL would ever change its brutal and bloody image.

On 8 Sep 2018 22:00, "DeEldar" <shahd...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, if anybody thinks that BNP/Tareque/Babar gang would be allowed to create terror in the northeast part of India and the Chankya clan would not respond in kind, they are living in the fools paradise. BNP should renounce terror totally in Bangladesh and beyond..... or else it would be a history. No good deed would go unpunished forever. Play safe and stay safe as long as you are not considered as a top dog! Even bankrupt Pakis have realized the problem

[Jalal Uddin Khan]

You coward Deldar who hides his Hindu malayun identity under a Muslim name are busy sucking shahrukh khan imran khan Saif Ali khan aamir khan and others. That's why they are big in malayun India. Don't you see, you fool?

On 8 Sep 2018 22:11, "DeEldar" <shahd...@gmail.com> wrote:

Obviously, the whole world has a different opinion and as a result... many fair and darkie-Khans are doubled checked for their intentions wherever reside and travel. Do you think that comes from the vacuum? Think harder! Just being in denial would not change the situation. 

[RANU CHOWDHURY]

We are going somewhat off the track, nonetheless enjoying the interesting arguments.

What I know, Omar's somewhat erratic behavior following Prophet Muhammad's death was emotional, as described by most Islamic historians. He was unwilling to accept the prophet's death, more so to prevent or contain the rebellion from prospective pretenders. And, Omar was not the one to start beheading as a mode of punishment. It was in vogue much earlier.

Beheading was randomly carried out during Prophet Muhammad's time. Remember the beheading of some 700 Jews who repeatedly betrayed the pacts with the Muslims in Madinah? The judgement was ordered by a Jewish arbitrator chosen by betrayers. During the Makkha conquest, a number of dangerous foes were beheaded at the prophet's instruction. 

We are talking about sixth-seventh century Arabia, which till recently was sunk into Ayyame Jahiliat with all its manifestations and impacts. Beheading was a common matter even in small conflicts. Almost every male adult carried a sword, for both safety as well as for taking revenge. For death penalty, I doubt if they knew any other mode than beheading. 

It would be unfair to judge Arabic justice of those days in today's standard, as it is unfair and illogical to judge Sheikh Mujibur Rahman in today's standard. One needs to go back to 1972-75 to understand him and evaluate him. 

During its early period, many Muslim victors carried it (beheading) out against unyielding enemy. In fact, Muslims learned it from the Romans, Byzantines and Persians. That was the order of the day. Saudi Arabia still does it for certain charges. In Afghanistan and tribal Pakistan, almost everybody carries a gun and shoot to kill is daal bhat for them, as common as swatting flies. 

Why blaming the Muslims? Guillotine and beheading was extensively done in Europe until eighteenth century. What did Hitler do to the Jews? Japanese were even worse. They threw Chinese children up in the air and caught them by bayonets in Nanking. In Malaya, they stripped their victims, tied them with trees, spilled honey on their naked backside and released the bees to have a feast. Haven't you seen the nude Hindu saints parading the streets carrying the severed heads of kids who were sacrificed for whatever reasons? These are no less barbaric. 

Death penalty is still debated around the world. While the tendency is towards a sane, decent and humane treatment towards an offender, yet a death is a death, be it done by a bullet or rope or electric shock or lethal injection or a sword. 

 

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First, thank for debating , if beheading is any justice. Even I find death sentence is acceptable, beheading is no no. So did PM,,refused carry out punishment. That first introduced by Omar in Islam. It was the same Omar who found lying about prophets immortality, violating most important tenets of Islam, which states all live creature are mortals. Does violation that come across to anyone as truthful  statement from sane adult, let alone strickler of Islam. At his deathbed PM banished Omar from his room for violating tenets of basic decency, that fooling people for power. He had premonition, Islamic values will be misrepresented after his death as Omar is found to be guilty of. And Omar will play an important role in it, so refused to appoint Omar as authority on Islam, till his last breath. Does PM wish regarding Omar maters to any Muslim, I guess not, because they dissmisive of what PM did or wanted for Omar at deathbed.

08.09.2018, 23:33, "RANU CHOWDHURY" <ran...@hotmail.com>:

[RANU CHOWDHURY]

Thanks, Mr. Jajjabor or whoever you are, for your knowledgeable inputs.

My education and knowledge is limited. I am not an authority on Islam, nor do I claim that whatever I say 

is final. I was not a witness to events happened 1400/1500 years ago. I just expressed whatever little I read. Perhaps, there are many things we still do not know, or know the wrong/misinterpreted versions. Before our respective views enter further controversy/contradiction, I would like to end the discussion here. 

But, before that, I would like to clarify that nowhere did I try to "take Omar more seriously than PM." Astaghferullha! Nauzubillah!! Nor did I say that "prophet killed  700 Jews." I said it was done during the prophet's time.

Ma-As-Salaam.

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The erratic behaviour of Omar at PM deathbed, as  I have been told is his impatience for power.  

Nobody is claiming Islam invented violence, Becauss it was a practice of the time, so it’s  Islamic, is not a convincing argument for a new religion. Islam is not for perpetuating or validating  kafir practices or other vices of the time, but sure it sounds like that if you take Omar more seriously than PM. Caliphate didn’t exist in PM’s lifetime , so not sure if that  has any relevance in Islam, for strickler of Islam. Still Revisionist Muslim like Shia ,Sunni and others believe Caliphate is important for their religion. They dismiss the decree from PM, that after his death there will be no authority  that has religious sanctity until Mehsud Imam is born. 

PM will not be thrilled to find out there are sects like Suni , Shia and many others were born out of power struggle that ensued just outside the room where and when he was laying on deathbed. 

Do you know, when PM was in deathbed for 4 days ( Thursday to Monday) he pleaded for pen and paper to spell out what should be done after he dies. Omar and his men stood guard to stop anybody with pen and paper untill Omar is appointed as head, that sound ms more like a palace intrigue than a devine account.

The claim prophet killed  700 Jews in a week couldn’t be verified by Jews literature at the time. First time any Jewish doc mentioned that refers a Muslim doc that was from,  more than  100 years after prophet was born.  It could have be concocted to validate the kafir practice in justice to fool their religious followers as it happened in other religions. One of my Hindu colleagues Tamil, caste system is one such case. It Tamil culture caste system is frowned upon, unlike many northern Hindu communities.

Founder of Jamat Al hind, Maulana Moudidi addressed Omar as badtard, because he violated a a basic tenant of Islam, when claimed , as Qureshi he has the claim of power, others are inferior to them as in caste culture. Moudidi was Sunni, and a close friend of Shia Khomeini. I read article in a Pakistani Islamic literature , Modidi was accused of of being a closet Shia, who knows. If true, then Jamat Islam of Bangladesh could be Shia party in disguise.

09.09.2018, 05:27, "RANU CHOWDHURY" <ran...@hotmail.com>:

[qamruddin chowdhury]

We want neither BNP Nor BAL. 

We want to dream; we are dreamers for excellence. We want neutral SELECTED Care Taker Admin of technocrat, patriotic civilians.

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Destructive Deldar is a foolish progeny of the BAL hasina terror and tyranny. He wants to tarnish the image of the patriotic and peace loving BNP  and its great leaders, young or old. Deldar lives in the land of the deaf and dumb if he believes the BAL would ever change its brutal and bloody image.

On 8 Sep 2018 22:00, "DeEldar" <shahd...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, if anybody thinks that BNP/Tareque/Babar gang would be allowed to create terror in the northeast part of India and the Chankya clan would not respond in kind, they are living in the fools paradise. BNP should renounce terror totally in Bangladesh and beyond..... or else it would be a history. No good deed would go unpunished forever. Play safe and stay safe as long as you are not considered as a top dog! Even bankrupt Pakis have realized the problem

On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 3:35 PM Jalal Uddin Khan <juk...@gmail.com> wrote:

No one wants terrorists--be they Hindu or Muslim. However, BNP must remain pro-Islamic/pro-Muslim as much as pro-Nationalist and patriotic. Bangladesh must maintain its Islamic identity. Say "No" to pro-Hindu BAL atheists and secularists. Lutfuzzamam Babar was a great home minister, far superior to the super beautiful Shahara Khatun, Farmers' Bank Chor Mokha Alamgir and all the rest of BALs.

On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 3:23 PM, R Syed <ams...@aol.com> wrote:

“If BNP wants to fight BAL in the poll, it needs to be transparent about not bringing back the Bangla-Bhai/ ISIS terror to Bangladesh”

That’s your parents and uncles from Indian has to ensure. They are their creations, nothing to do with BNP.

 Razzak A. Syed


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[RANU CHOWDHURY]

I said I didn't want to drag the discussion further; it is becoming bitter and irrelevant. I am not much familiar with the sources you quoted. But I heard they are not free from controversies, and could not be acceptable as authentic as such. I also know enemies of  Islam present many unfounded facts to demean this faith and its great prophet (checking one's puberty for execution is the weirdest thing I ever heard).

BTW, I find similarity in the composition, typos and arguments between Oshlil Jajjabor and Khoniker Othithi. We had a similar discussion on Omar in the past and KO put forward exactly the same arguments. 

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Subject: Re: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Re: preparation of Dirty Election by BAL

 

Sorry , for misrepresenting   you, when I  wrote prophet didn’t behead 700 Jews; please read that  as, prophet didn’t sanction slaughtering of 700 Jews. The account you referred to is called bin quariza in Some hadis. According to Maulana Taj Hadis is a clever document of character assignations to demean PM.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OxST_mauX88

According to full acount in hadis , prophet stripped young  children as young 6, both boys and girl, to check if they had pubic hair or not. If they had any he deemed them fit to beheaded. Prophet preached people can be accountable only for their crime, punishment has to propionate the mischief.

Maulan Moudidi said, Omar , before he accepted Islam , made lots money during annual kafir  Pligram to Kaba. Incidentally that piligram also called Haj. When PM wanted to destroy Kaba, because Allah (sw) asked him to do that. PM slated it for destruction, Omar climbed to roof top started to praying as protest. That account was also confirmed by Dr Zahir Nyak in one of his YouTube video. Now that is most holy places in the Muslim world. It was preserved against the initial dictum of Allah, 

 

09.09.2018, 13:59, "RANU CHOWDHURY" <ran...@hotmail.com>:

[Sitangshu Guha]

Okay, just listen to this girl: https://www.facebook.com/LopaRahman.Page/videos/549837348781186/

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 9:27 PM Oshlil Jajjabor <jajj...@yandex.com> wrote:

Boy, talk about , different strokes for different folks. Omar wanted kill PM, he got become a Caliphate, but preteen who had pubic hair slated for beheading because some of in her or him tried job kill PM. Collective punishment is very important very important for caste system, even  supposedy caste society see any decency. If you go to Islamic gathering , 90% of it bring Caliphates preaching and hades , very little from PM; as if his ones are secondary ,like only Allah ((sw) can judge others religious conviction. But revisionist  Muslim follows Omar example than anything else, settle arguments with swords when you can get away safely, whenconbered, argue like PM, put emphasis on fairness mercy and tolerance as a deceptive tactics; even most kafir had higher standards, they never attacked  PM until Omar joined.

These Omar worshiper are jihadist today, they spend time arguing, preach that as for stupids, that is compliment for PM for years preferred arguing with people he thought did agree with him.

  

Hi 10.09.2018, 17:14, "DeEldar" <shahd...@gmail.com>:

Boy, in the 7th century Arabia, everything was possible in the name of establishing a new religion by hook or crook. It meant good business than bloody oneness of a non-existent God. If Allah, really existed and aided our Bandhas, Muslims would be ruling every sphere of our lives and they would have been traveling to other planets with Allah's rockets. I never heard about pubic hair test but I am not surprised as many countries still practicing the genital mutilations.

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 4:09 PM Oshlil Jajjabor <jajj...@yandex.com> wrote:

Knowledge is power, what you don’t can kill, atleast keep you progressing.

Here is a quotes from  Hades on pubic justice.

It was narrated that 'Abdul-Malik bin`Umair said: “I heard 'Atiyyah Al-Quazi say: 'We were presented to the Messenger of Allah on the Day of Quraizah. Those whose public hair had grown were killed, and those whose public hair had not yet grown were let go. I was one of those whose pubic hair had not yet grown, so I was let go.” (Sahih)

Sunan Ibn Majah 3:20:2541

Also , see link below for that. With your characterizations our beloved PM , suggest he at least approved collective punishing of children ( anybody under 18 are children) offends Muslims; just like it does to revisionist Muslim when Omar is called out for his cruel ways. 

 

Please don’t tell me , now you think I wrote that hadis. A video narrative by a Saudi women translating  hadis was my first exposure to material. Not just me, many haji questions validly or sanctity of that kind of punishment, specially women in private. One women , reading this account in hades, felt, one Has to loose sanity to recoincile Beheading with act of kindness; may be that was the idea to keeping Muslim from  full their potential , and stay behind in science without  questioning  the leadership of half educated mullahs.  I will try to search for the video narrative by a Saudi woman , it is shame utube  frequently block that link, without saying there is no such hades.  In medical history , some are born with  hair throughout the body. Those who think that is criteria to sort out guilty, then satan would proud of them.

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Ban…

10.09.2018, 13:45, "RANU CHOWDHURY" <ran...@hotmail.com>:

--

Sitanggshu Guha

[RANU CHOWDHURY]

Razzak, 

No point arguing.  উলুবনে মুক্তো ছড়িয়ে লাভ নাই। কথায় বলে, চোরা না শুনে ধর্মের কাহিনী।

First, I believe DeEldar is a male person, a conjecture from the characteristics of his posting and from various other references. Second, it is no point talking about Allah, His messages, Prophets and the next world with someone who doesn't believe in them. Yet, he seems to find everything good in Hinduism and, by extension, India. How can one pollute the Heaven when it doesn't exist in his mind?

Not that I find everything good or perfect with Islam, yet that is the best one available for mankind, if followed in its true meanings.  

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Don’t worry auntie, very soon you will know, once the death is on your door step. Unfortunately you wouldn’t be able to share your experience with fellow mates around you, if anyone would have, then stupids like you wouldn’t exists.

 Razzak A. Syed

Sent from my iPhone

On 12 Sep 2018, at 01:32, DeEldar <shahd...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, this too will end someday when our Bandhas will realize that there is nothing beyond this mortal world. If you ask these fools whether to live for another day or so or get a free ticket for the heaven, most will opt for the first option. If climbing on an woman is the only dream, go to a brothel and have your wish fulfilled than polluting the sacred heaven with the crawling stinky sperms.

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 9:27 PM Oshlil Jajjabor <jajj...@yandex.com> wrote:

Boy, talk about , different strokes for different folks. Omar wanted kill PM, he got become a Caliphate, but preteen who had pubic hair slated for beheading because some of in her or him tried job kill PM. Collective punishment is very important very important for caste system, even  supposedy caste society see any decency. If you go to Islamic gathering , 90% of it bring Caliphates preaching and hades , very little from PM; as if his ones are secondary ,like only Allah ((sw) can judge others religious conviction. But revisionist  Muslim follows Omar example than anything else, settle arguments with swords when you can get away safely, whenconbered, argue like PM, put emphasis on fairness mercy and tolerance as a deceptive tactics; even most kafir had higher standards, they never attacked  PM until Omar joined.

These Omar worshiper are jihadist today, they spend time arguing, preach that as for stupids, that is compliment for PM for years preferred arguing with people he thought did agree with him.

Hi 10.09.2018, 17:14, "DeEldar" <shahd...@gmail.com>:

Boy, in the 7th century Arabia, everything was possible in the name of establishing a new religion by hook or crook. It meant good business than bloody oneness of a non-existent God. If Allah, really existed and aided our Bandhas, Muslims would be ruling every sphere of our lives and they would have been traveling to other planets with Allah's rockets. I never heard about pubic hair test but I am not surprised as many countries still practicing the genital mutilations.

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 4:09 PM Oshlil Jajjabor <jajj...@yandex.com> wrote:

Knowledge is power, what you don’t can kill, atleast keep you progressing.

Here is a quotes from  Hades on pubic justice.

It was narrated that 'Abdul-Malik bin`Umair said: “I heard 'Atiyyah Al-Quazi say: 'We were presented to the Messenger of Allah on the Day of Quraizah. Those whose public hair had grown were killed, and those whose public hair had not yet grown were let go. I was one of those whose pubic hair had not yet grown, so I was let go.” (Sahih)

Sunan Ibn Majah 3:20:2541

Also , see link below for that. With your characterizations our beloved PM , suggest he at least approved collective punishing of children ( anybody under 18 are children) offends Muslims; just like it does to revisionist Muslim when Omar is called out for his cruel ways. 

 

Please don’t tell me , now you think I wrote that hadis. A video narrative by a Saudi women translating  hadis was my first exposure to material. Not just me, many haji questions validly or sanctity of that kind of punishment, specially women in private. One women , reading this account in hades, felt, one Has to loose sanity to recoincile Beheading with act of kindness; may be that was the idea to keeping Muslim from  full their potential , and stay behind in science without  questioning  the leadership of half educated mullahs.  I will try to search for the video narrative by a Saudi woman , it is shame utube  frequently block that link, without saying there is no such hades.  In medical history , some are born with  hair throughout the body. Those who think that is criteria to sort out guilty, then satan would proud of them.

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Ban…

10.09.2018, 13:45, "RANU CHOWDHURY" <ran...@hotmail.com>:

I said I didn't want to drag the discussion further; it is becoming bitter and irrelevant. I am not much familiar with the sources you quoted. But I heard they are not free from controversies, and could not be acceptable as authentic as such. I also know enemies of  Islam present many unfounded facts to demean this faith and its great prophet (checking one's puberty for execution is the weirdest thing I ever heard).

[Jalal Uddin Khan]

http://www.newagebd.net/article/50432/sri-lanka-to-ban-animal-sacrifices-at-hindu-temples

Sri Lanka to ban animal sacrifices at Hindu temples

Agence France-Presse . Colombo | Published: 17:04, Sep 12,2018

      

 

 

A representative image of sacrificing animal at Hindu temples. -- Times of India photo

Animal sacrifices at Hindu temples could be banned in Sri Lanka under new plans announced Wednesday, after growing protests over the rituals from the country's Buddhist majority as well as moderate Hindus.
The cabinet approved a proposal put forward by the Hindu Religious Affairs minister to outlaw the ancient practice that is still observed at several temples across the country.
‘The legal draughtsman was asked to prepare a bill to ban animal and bird sacrifices at Hindu temples,’ the government said in a statement.
During religious festivals, some devout Hindus sacrifice goats, chickens, and buffalos, expecting good fortune in return.
But the practice has offended animal rights activists, as well as many other Sri Lankans.
Although there is currently no clear law prohibiting animal sacrifices at places of worship, Sri Lankan courts from time to time have issued temporary bans on such practices.
Hindus constitute about 12 per cent of Sri Lanka's 21 million population, which is mainly Buddhist. 
Muslims, the third largest religious group in the country, also conduct ritualistic animal sacrifices — although it appears the law would apply only to Hindus.
The country has experienced waves of religious tension in recent years, with anti-Muslim riots in March leaving three people dead and hundreds of mosques, homes, and businesses reduced to ashes.

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 6:44 PM, Mohammed Shoaib <shoa...@yahoo.com> wrote:

The "Holy Koran" is very clear.  "La Ikraha Fid Din -- There is no compulsion in religion".  "Lakum Di Nukum Wal Ya Din -- Their religion is for them, your religion is for you".  All religions are based on the "Faith in Almighty -- a Soul in our body".  When you connect the two with a bunch of "Rites and Rituals" -- you establish a religion.  Fundamentally all religions are the same -- Faith in Soul and The Almighty -- only rituals identify the difference.  It is not only "Inter-Religion" but also Intra-Religion.  Religious wars, whether Inter or Intra are based on this "Man made rites and rituals -- having nothing to do with Almighty".  How stupid are such so called "Warriors of Faith"?  Aren't atheists better off compared to the "Warriors of Faith" who fight one another against the "Will and Injunctions of Allah?  Has a single atheist ever killed a fellow atheist because of the "Different Ways" they establish the "Non-Existence of God"!

Faith has to be absolute -- it can not pass "Scientific Scrutiny" -- nor "Rational Thinking".  Billions of Autopsies has found no evidence of Soul in our Body. No one has come to show any "Scientific Evidence (Evidence that is authenticated by our Senses -- See, Hear, Touch, Smell, Taste etc.) to establish God, although there are numerous "Signs and Symbols" that forces us to believe that there has to be a "Almighty Allah".  German Poet Gothe went insane crying, "O God, where are you -- please reveal your mystery to me before I go totally crazy."  All he had to do was to read the "Koran" where God clearly declares, "I am far beyond any Scientific Scrutiny or Rational Thinking.  You can never find me with either or both.  Either you believe in me with your "Absolute Faith" or You don't.  It does not matter to me.

Faith is absolutely an "Individual's Domain".  Just as I know how I feel when I pray --  the same way a Hindu knows how he feels when he worships a cow or a monkey.  I have no right to challenge his Faith just as he has no right to challenge mine.  Your absolute faith will protect you from fighting with other religions -- and also from the "Secterian War' currently unleashed within the same religion (Shia, Sunni, Ismaili, Deobondi, Wahhabi, Qadiani etc).  Best wishes.

Shoaib

On Wednesday, September 12, 2018, 2:44:37 PM PDT, Oshlil Jajjabor <jajj...@yandex.com> wrote:

Not that I find everything good or perfect with Islam.  Razzak

Expound on it, if you  please. Deception is not in Islam, but Omar was deception master. He lied about immortality, now many Muslims think deception is sanctioned by Allah (sw).

12.09.2018, 16:41, "R Syed" <ams...@aol.com>:

Dear OJ,

   Please read the email carefully. I never had or have any doubts about Islam or Allah (SWT) or his Prophets. Any individual reads the Quran with open mind, goes through all signs mentioned in the Quran, never can deny the existence of Allah (SWT) nor can deny any words of the Quran.

My apologies any of my words confused you or misguided you.

May Allah (SWT) save us and protect us from the Devil.

Razzak A. Syed

Sent from my iPhone

On 13 Sep 2018, at 06:02, Oshlil Jajjabor <jajj...@yandex.com> wrote:

Bro Razzak, 

 Astagferullah, please don’t say Islam is not perfect.   I wouldn’t dare to say so , unless I think Allah (sw) and PM is not perfect.  Or Muslim totally destroyed it with injecting horries and Calphate, so no more a religion that make sense. Allah (sw) send Islam as a perfect religion. Practicing imperfect religion on Allah’s (sw) account is not acceptable, it is better to not practice at all or judge others on wrong interpretations. That is tantamount to Insulting Him.

May be secular and atheist are one up on practicing believer, because they don’t say any of their own or caliphs dictum as from Allah, or pretend to be god.

12.09.2018, 15:32, "R Syed" <ams...@aol.com>:

DeElder hidings under burka, what people can expect? Either a infidel terrorist or a woman? With good thoughts, I believe DeElder must be a religious woman who has very relationship with her Master Devil ( by mistake). 

“Not that I find everything good or perfect with Islam, yet that is the best one available for mankind, if followed in its true meanings.”

RC bhai, I have my reservations on your above statement, human beings are created for the religion ‘Islam’, it’s been religious truth in all religious scriptures, from Adam(AWS) to Prophet (SAW) preached and practiced the same religion ‘Islam’. 

After 1400 years if anyone trying to find the perfection of the faith!! Must be  in seine, because human beings loves to argue, therefore, teachings of Prophets are never been followed neither the Devil ever spared any human beings from derailing them other than Prophets. 

So, stupid like DeElder, who doesn’t have the guts to expose his true face, is nothing but a deceiver. Might the Devil himself in human form.

Razzak A. Syed

Sent from my iPhone

On 13 Sep 2018, at 01:03, DeEldar <shahd...@gmail.com> wrote:

Obviously, people like Razzak is not intelligent enough to spread and propagate any wit or knowledge that this world needs. If you think, he says something intelligent and clever, you should point that out for the whole forum. The guy is an idiot and he happens to be a pious Muslim because of a 'Muslim' sperm.

What I said about these idiotic suicidal heaven seekers polluting the heaven with sperm is rather a metaphoric expression which was not taught in RC's BDR academia. So, I understand why RC wants to defend an idiot for his low intelligence.

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[RANU CHOWDHURY]

Just to clarify, following statement is not Razzak's. It is from me, and please read it in full. I don't impose my opinion on others. 

Not that I find everything good or perfect with Islam, yet that is the best one available for mankind, if followed in its true meanings.  

---

From: Oshlil Jajjabor <jajj...@yandex.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 9:44 PM
To: R Syed
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Subject: Re: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Re: preparation of Dirty Election by BAL

Not that I find everything good or perfect with Islam.  Razzak

Expound on it, if you  please. Deception is not in Islam, but Omar was deception master. He lied about immortality, now many Muslims think deception is sanctioned by Allah (sw).

12.09.2018, 16:41, "R Syed" <ams...@aol.com>:

Dear OJ,

   Please read the email carefully. I never had or have any doubts about Islam or Allah (SWT) or his Prophets. Any individual reads the Quran with open mind, goes through all signs mentioned in the Quran, never can deny the existence of Allah (SWT) nor can deny any words of the Quran.

My apologies any of my words confused you or misguided you.

May Allah (SWT) save us and protect us from the Devil.

Razzak A. Syed

Sent from my iPhone

On 13 Sep 2018, at 06:02, Oshlil Jajjabor <jajj...@yandex.com> wrote:

Bro Razzak, 

 Astagferullah, please don’t say Islam is not perfect.   I wouldn’t dare to say so , unless I think Allah (sw) and PM is not perfect.  Or Muslim totally destroyed it with injecting horries and Calphate, so no more a religion that make sense. Allah (sw) send Islam as a perfect religion. Practicing imperfect religion on Allah’s (sw) account is not acceptable, it is better to not practice at all or judge others on wrong interpretations. That is tantamount to Insulting Him.

May be secular and atheist are one up on practicing believer, because they don’t say any of their own or caliphs dictum as from Allah, or pretend to be god.

12.09.2018, 15:32, "R Syed" <ams...@aol.com>:

DeElder hidings under burka, what people can expect? Either a infidel terrorist or a woman? With good thoughts, I believe DeElder must be a religious woman who has very relationship with her Master Devil ( by mistake). 

“Not that I find everything good or perfect with Islam, yet that is the best one available for mankind, if followed in its true meanings.”

RC bhai, I have my reservations on your above statement, human beings are created for the religion ‘Islam’, it’s been religious truth in all religious scriptures, from Adam(AWS) to Prophet (SAW) preached and practiced the same religion ‘Islam’. 

After 1400 years if anyone trying to find the perfection of the faith!! Must be  in seine, because human beings loves to argue, therefore, teachings of Prophets are never been followed neither the Devil ever spared any human beings from derailing them other than Prophets. 

So, stupid like DeElder, who doesn’t have the guts to expose his true face, is nothing but a deceiver. Might the Devil himself in human form.

Razzak A. Syed

Sent from my iPhone

On 13 Sep 2018, at 01:03, DeEldar <shahd...@gmail.com> wrote:

Obviously, people like Razzak is not intelligent enough to spread and propagate any wit or knowledge that this world needs. If you think, he says something intelligent and clever, you should point that out for the whole forum. The guy is an idiot and he happens to be a pious Muslim because of a 'Muslim' sperm.

What I said about these idiotic suicidal heaven seekers polluting the heaven with sperm is rather a metaphoric expression which was not taught in RC's BDR academia. So, I understand why RC wants to defend an idiot for his low intelligence.

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 12:02 AM RANU CHOWDHURY <ran...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[RANU CHOWDHURY]

Let me clarify, following statement is not Razzak's. It is from me.

Not that I find everything good or perfect with Islam, yet that is the best one available for mankind, if followed in its true meanings.  

---

From: Mohammed Shoaib <shoa...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 10:44 PM
To: R Syed; Oshlil Jajjabor
Cc: DeEldar; Ranu Chowdhury; Nabdc Group; jalal khan; Pfc; LA Discussion; bangladesh-progressives googlegroups; Surjo Sen; Rezaul Karim; rashed Anam; Suhas Barua; Jashim Uddin; Farida Majid; Mohammad Gani; Khoniker Othithee; Nurunnabi Dr; NURUL HAQ-BACHCHU; Nurul Kabir; tamanna karim; osman gani; alapon; Tanvir Nowaz; Tarun Barua; taj uddin; Sitangshu Guha; Mannan Sarkar

Subject: Re: {NA Bangladeshi Community} Re: preparation of Dirty Election by BAL

The "Holy Koran" is very clear.  "La Ikraha Fid Din -- There is no compulsion in religion".  "Lakum Di Nukum Wal Ya Din -- Their religion is for them, your religion is for you".  All religions are based on the "Faith in Almighty -- a Soul in our body".  When you connect the two with a bunch of "Rites and Rituals" -- you establish a religion.  Fundamentally all religions are the same -- Faith in Soul and The Almighty -- only rituals identify the difference.  It is not only "Inter-Religion" but also Intra-Religion.  Religious wars, whether Inter or Intra are based on this "Man made rites and rituals -- having nothing to do with Almighty".  How stupid are such so called "Warriors of Faith"?  Aren't atheists better off compared to the "Warriors of Faith" who fight one another against the "Will and Injunctions of Allah?  Has a single atheist ever killed a fellow atheist because of the "Different Ways" they establish the "Non-Existence of God"!

Faith has to be absolute -- it can not pass "Scientific Scrutiny" -- nor "Rational Thinking".  Billions of Autopsies has found no evidence of Soul in our Body. No one has come to show any "Scientific Evidence (Evidence that is authenticated by our Senses -- See, Hear, Touch, Smell, Taste etc.) to establish God, although there are numerous "Signs and Symbols" that forces us to believe that there has to be a "Almighty Allah".  German Poet Gothe went insane crying, "O God, where are you -- please reveal your mystery to me before I go totally crazy."  All he had to do was to read the "Koran" where God clearly declares, "I am far beyond any Scientific Scrutiny or Rational Thinking.  You can never find me with either or both.  Either you believe in me with your "Absolute Faith" or You don't.  It does not matter to me.

Faith is absolutely an "Individual's Domain".  Just as I know how I feel when I pray --  the same way a Hindu knows how he feels when he worships a cow or a monkey.  I have no right to challenge his Faith just as he has no right to challenge mine.  Your absolute faith will protect you from fighting with other religions -- and also from the "Secterian War' currently unleashed within the same religion (Shia, Sunni, Ismaili, Deobondi, Wahhabi, Qadiani etc).  Best wishes.

Shoaib

On Wednesday, September 12, 2018, 2:44:37 PM PDT, Oshlil Jajjabor <jajj...@yandex.com> wrote:

Not that I find everything good or perfect with Islam.  Razzak

Expound on it, if you  please. Deception is not in Islam, but Omar was deception master. He lied about immortality, now many Muslims think deception is sanctioned by Allah (sw).

12.09.2018, 16:41, "R Syed" <ams...@aol.com>:

Dear OJ,

   Please read the email carefully. I never had or have any doubts about Islam or Allah (SWT) or his Prophets. Any individual reads the Quran with open mind, goes through all signs mentioned in the Quran, never can deny the existence of Allah (SWT) nor can deny any words of the Quran.

My apologies any of my words confused you or misguided you.

May Allah (SWT) save us and protect us from the Devil.

Razzak A. Syed

Sent from my iPhone

On 13 Sep 2018, at 06:02, Oshlil Jajjabor <jajj...@yandex.com> wrote:

Bro Razzak, 

 Astagferullah, please don’t say Islam is not perfect.   I wouldn’t dare to say so , unless I think Allah (sw) and PM is not perfect.  Or Muslim totally destroyed it with injecting horries and Calphate, so no more a religion that make sense. Allah (sw) send Islam as a perfect religion. Practicing imperfect religion on Allah’s (sw) account is not acceptable, it is better to not practice at all or judge others on wrong interpretations. That is tantamount to Insulting Him.

May be secular and atheist are one up on practicing believer, because they don’t say any of their own or caliphs dictum as from Allah, or pretend to be god.

12.09.2018, 15:32, "R Syed" <ams...@aol.com>:

DeElder hidings under burka, what people can expect? Either a infidel terrorist or a woman? With good thoughts, I believe DeElder must be a religious woman who has very relationship with her Master Devil ( by mistake). 

“Not that I find everything good or perfect with Islam, yet that is the best one available for mankind, if followed in its true meanings.”

RC bhai, I have my reservations on your above statement, human beings are created for the religion ‘Islam’, it’s been religious truth in all religious scriptures, from Adam(AWS) to Prophet (SAW) preached and practiced the same religion ‘Islam’. 

After 1400 years if anyone trying to find the perfection of the faith!! Must be  in seine, because human beings loves to argue, therefore, teachings of Prophets are never been followed neither the Devil ever spared any human beings from derailing them other than Prophets. 

So, stupid like DeElder, who doesn’t have the guts to expose his true face, is nothing but a deceiver. Might the Devil himself in human form.

Razzak A. Syed

Sent from my iPhone

On 13 Sep 2018, at 01:03, DeEldar <shahd...@gmail.com> wrote:

Obviously, people like Razzak is not intelligent enough to spread and propagate any wit or knowledge that this world needs. If you think, he says something intelligent and clever, you should point that out for the whole forum. The guy is an idiot and he happens to be a pious Muslim because of a 'Muslim' sperm.

What I said about these idiotic suicidal heaven seekers polluting the heaven with sperm is rather a metaphoric expression which was not taught in RC's BDR academia. So, I understand why RC wants to defend an idiot for his low intelligence.

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 12:02 AM RANU CHOWDHURY <ran...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[Mohammed Shoaib]

The "Holy Koran" is very clear.  "La Ikraha Fid Din -- There is no compulsion in religion".  "Lakum Di Nukum Wal Ya Din -- Their religion is for them, your religion is for you".  All religions are based on the "Faith in Almighty -- a Soul in our body".  When you connect the two with a bunch of "Rites and Rituals" -- you establish a religion.  Fundamentally all religions are the same -- Faith in Soul and The Almighty -- only rituals identify the difference.  It is not only "Inter-Religion" but also Intra-Religion.  Religious wars, whether Inter or Intra are based on this "Man made rites and rituals -- having nothing to do with Almighty".  How stupid are such so called "Warriors of Faith"?  Aren't atheists better off compared to the "Warriors of Faith" who fight one another against the "Will and Injunctions of Allah?  Has a single atheist ever killed a fellow atheist because of the "Different Ways" they establish the "Non-Existence of God"!

Faith has to be absolute -- it can not pass "Scientific Scrutiny" -- nor "Rational Thinking".  Billions of Autopsies has found no evidence of Soul in our Body. No one has come to show any "Scientific Evidence (Evidence that is authenticated by our Senses -- See, Hear, Touch, Smell, Taste etc.) to establish God, although there are numerous "Signs and Symbols" that forces us to believe that there has to be a "Almighty Allah".  German Poet Gothe went insane crying, "O God, where are you -- please reveal your mystery to me before I go totally crazy."  All he had to do was to read the "Koran" where God clearly declares, "I am far beyond any Scientific Scrutiny or Rational Thinking.  You can never find me with either or both.  Either you believe in me with your "Absolute Faith" or You don't.  It does not matter to me.

Faith is absolutely an "Individual's Domain".  Just as I know how I feel when I pray --  the same way a Hindu knows how he feels when he worships a cow or a monkey.  I have no right to challenge his Faith just as he has no right to challenge mine.  Your absolute faith will protect you from fighting with other religions -- and also from the "Secterian War' currently unleashed within the same religion (Shia, Sunni, Ismaili, Deobondi, Wahhabi, Qadiani etc).  Best wishes.

Shoaib

On Wednesday, September 12, 2018, 2:44:37 PM PDT, Oshlil Jajjabor <jajj...@yandex.com> wrote:

Not that I find everything good or perfect with Islam.  Razzak

Expound on it, if you  please. Deception is not in Islam, but Omar was deception master. He lied about immortality, now many Muslims think deception is sanctioned by Allah (sw).

12.09.2018, 16:41, "R Syed" <ams...@aol.com>:

Dear OJ,

   Please read the email carefully. I never had or have any doubts about Islam or Allah (SWT) or his Prophets. Any individual reads the Quran with open mind, goes through all signs mentioned in the Quran, never can deny the existence of Allah (SWT) nor can deny any words of the Quran.

My apologies any of my words confused you or misguided you.

May Allah (SWT) save us and protect us from the Devil.

Razzak A. Syed

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On 13 Sep 2018, at 06:02, Oshlil Jajjabor <jajj...@yandex.com> wrote:

Bro Razzak, 

 Astagferullah, please don’t say Islam is not perfect.   I wouldn’t dare to say so , unless I think Allah (sw) and PM is not perfect.  Or Muslim totally destroyed it with injecting horries and Calphate, so no more a religion that make sense. Allah (sw) send Islam as a perfect religion. Practicing imperfect religion on Allah’s (sw) account is not acceptable, it is better to not practice at all or judge others on wrong interpretations. That is tantamount to Insulting Him.

May be secular and atheist are one up on practicing believer, because they don’t say any of their own or caliphs dictum as from Allah, or pretend to be god.

12.09.2018, 15:32, "R Syed" <ams...@aol.com>:

DeElder hidings under burka, what people can expect? Either a infidel terrorist or a woman? With good thoughts, I believe DeElder must be a religious woman who has very relationship with her Master Devil ( by mistake). 

“Not that I find everything good or perfect with Islam, yet that is the best one available for mankind, if followed in its true meanings.”

RC bhai, I have my reservations on your above statement, human beings are created for the religion ‘Islam’, it’s been religious truth in all religious scriptures, from Adam(AWS) to Prophet (SAW) preached and practiced the same religion ‘Islam’. 

After 1400 years if anyone trying to find the perfection of the faith!! Must be  in seine, because human beings loves to argue, therefore, teachings of Prophets are never been followed neither the Devil ever spared any human beings from derailing them other than Prophets. 

So, stupid like DeElder, who doesn’t have the guts to expose his true face, is nothing but a deceiver. Might the Devil himself in human form.

Razzak A. Syed

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On 13 Sep 2018, at 01:03, DeEldar <shahd...@gmail.com> wrote:

Obviously, people like Razzak is not intelligent enough to spread and propagate any wit or knowledge that this world needs. If you think, he says something intelligent and clever, you should point that out for the whole forum. The guy is an idiot and he happens to be a pious Muslim because of a 'Muslim' sperm.

What I said about these idiotic suicidal heaven seekers polluting the heaven with sperm is rather a metaphoric expression which was not taught in RC's BDR academia. So, I understand why RC wants to defend an idiot for his low intelligence.

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 12:02 AM RANU CHOWDHURY <ran...@hotmail.com> wrote: