PSC #128 2023-12-14

[Philippe Bruhat (BooK)]

This week, Graham was on holidays, so Paul and Philippe:

* reviewed new mailing list threads. Just one - a rethink of signatures.
* submitted a talk proposal to the Perl dev room at FOSDEM
* continued to discuss the complexities of moving past the number
‘5’ for the major part of the language version

Quote of the week: “There _are_ features that make the language slow,
but those are the features that _make_ the language.”

--
Philippe Bruhat (BooK)

Even the worst guesser is right once in a while.
(Moral from Groo The Wanderer #72 (Epic))

[Scott Baker]

Can you elaborate on any discussions related to Perl > 5.x?

[Paul "LeoNerd" Evans]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 18:39:23 -0800
Scott Baker <sc...@perturb.org> wrote:

> Can you elaborate on any discussions related to Perl > 5.x?

Mostly just that the digit '5' is embedded eeeeverywhere. Github
repository names, mailing list names, environment variable names,
packaging system names (e.g. OpenBSD ports) so it will take a lot of
work to flush them all out and get everyone to remove them all. It is
likely the sort of thing that's going to need a year or two of trials
and test versions first before we get everything lined up.

I did briefly think about whether we can do a dual track of two
different version numbers for the same code - for example, what if 5.42
was also released as 7.2, and 5.44 also as 7.4 and so on; but in
practice we thought that might end up being even more confusing. So in
the end that might not be a workable plan.

--
Paul "LeoNerd" Evans

leo...@leonerd.org.uk | https://metacpan.org/author/PEVANS
http://www.leonerd.org.uk/ | https://www.tindie.com/stores/leonerd/

[G.W. Haywood]

Hi there,
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2023, Paul "LeoNerd" Evans wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 18:39:23 -0800
> Scott Baker <sc...@perturb.org> wrote:
>
>> Can you elaborate on any discussions related to Perl > 5.x?
>
> Mostly just that the digit '5' is embedded eeeeverywhere. Github
> repository names, mailing list names, environment variable names,
> packaging system names (e.g. OpenBSD ports) so it will take a lot of
> work to flush them all out and get everyone to remove them all.

So don't change it.

The change will do little more than cause suspicion.

--

73,
Ged.

[Michiel Beijen]

Hi!

On 12/15/23 09:54, Paul "LeoNerd" Evans wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 01:14:34 +0100
> Elvin Aslanov <rwp.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> submitted a talk proposal to the Perl dev room at FOSDEM

>> Links, please
> I don't think they're public yet until the schedule is published, but
> we submitted "Updates from the PSC"
>
It seems here's the link:

https://fosdem.org/2024/schedule/event/fosdem-2024-3570-updates-from-the-psc/

So it's on Saturday, 3rd of February 2024, on FOSDEM, the big European
open source developers conference in Brussels, and there seems to be a
'Perl and Raku' devroom on Saturday -->
https://fosdem.org/2024/schedule/track/perl-raku/

 in PSC#125, Philippe wrote:

* FOSDEM Perl Devroom CfP: none of us are planning to attend in person,
but if someone else wanted to present on our behalf we could

And I guess this has changed, and at least Paul will be there?

I was planning on attending FOSDEM - it's always great! I was trying to create a list of talks I might be interested in a couple weeks ago and then the Perl/raku devroom was not there yet (or I just missed it!) and now I found it. While I do not do lots of perly stuff nowadays if it fits I might attend a presentation, or run into some perl people there

--
Michiel