Lenght of resumes
Jose Castro
A quick question: what's the standard size for resumes in your
countries?
I hear that in some countries a resume can only have 1 page, while in
others it has 4... I'd like to put some country names to the numbers
O:-)
FWIW, there really isn't a rule here in Portugal, but 1-2 pages is
generally considered short, and 5 pages is usually considered long.
What about your countries?
TIA
jac
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Adrian Howard
On 12 Nov 2007, at 14:42, José Alves de Castro wrote:
> Hi, folks.
>
> A quick question: what's the standard size for resumes in your
> countries?
[snip]
For the UK. I would say 1/2 page good. Three pages okay. More than
three pages go in the bin.
But that's just me :-)
Adrian
Jose Castro
On Nov 12, 2007, at 2:45 PM, Adrian Howard wrote:
>
> On 12 Nov 2007, at 14:42, José Alves de Castro wrote:
>
>> Hi, folks.
>>
>> A quick question: what's the standard size for resumes in your
>> countries?
> [snip]
>
> For the UK. I would say 1/2 page good.
Er... Is that "1 or 2 pages" or "half a page"? O:-)
> Three pages okay. More than three pages go in the bin.
>
> But that's just me :-)
>
> Adrian
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Adrian Howard
On 12 Nov 2007, at 15:19, José Alves de Castro wrote:
>
> On Nov 12, 2007, at 2:45 PM, Adrian Howard wrote:
>
>>
>> On 12 Nov 2007, at 14:42, José Alves de Castro wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, folks.
>>>
>>> A quick question: what's the standard size for resumes in your
>>> countries?
>> [snip]
>>
>> For the UK. I would say 1/2 page good.
>
> Er... Is that "1 or 2 pages" or "half a page"? O:-)
The former :-)
Adrian
Anthony Ettinger
> Hi, folks.
>
> A quick question: what's the standard size for resumes in your
> countries?
>
> I hear that in some countries a resume can only have 1 page, while in
> others it has 4... I'd like to put some country names to the numbers
> O:-)
>
> FWIW, there really isn't a rule here in Portugal, but 1-2 pages is
> generally considered short, and 5 pages is usually considered long.
>
> What about your countries?
>
> TIA
>
> jac
In US, people say 1 page, but I've seen 2 as normal. 4 is a bit long.
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> A quick question: what's the standard size for resumes in your countries?
It depends.
I've heard rules like 1 page for every 5 years of experience, or something
like that. Nowadays, resumes are often online, and never printed, so this
seems like less of an issue.
I personally haven't maintained a printable version of my resume for a
really long time, I just point people at the web page. Mine is kind of
long, but I've done a lot of stuff besides just work at jobs.
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Jody Belka
> On 12 Nov 2007, at 14:42, Jos? Alves de Castro wrote:
> >A quick question: what's the standard size for resumes in your
> >countries?
>
> three pages go in the bin.
>
> But that's just me :-)
I try never to go over 2 pages myself. Two pages means someone can
have them in a folder and look at both side by side.
Of course, this means that I keep having to go back over my CV and
revise it to keep it within the limit. That is a "good thing".
J
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Adrian Howard
On 12 Nov 2007, at 15:18, Jody Belka wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 02:45:54PM +0000, Adrian Howard wrote:
>> On 12 Nov 2007, at 14:42, Jos? Alves de Castro wrote:
>>> A quick question: what's the standard size for resumes in your
>>> countries?
>>
>> For the UK. I would say 1/2 page good. Three pages okay. More than
>> three pages go in the bin.
>>
>> But that's just me :-)
>
> I try never to go over 2 pages myself. Two pages means someone can
> have them in a folder and look at both side by side.
That's my preference too (my default CV is around 3/4 pages, but that
gets selectively edited down to one/two pages for whatever job I'm
applying for).
However, if I'm on the hiring side of the fence, I'll still look at 3
page documents. It's the small books that get binned :-)
> Of course, this means that I keep having to go back over my CV and
> revise it to keep it within the limit. That is a "good thing".
Indeed.
Adrian
Gabor Szabo
I am sure you have heard about it by now ;-)
and check how much people write there and check if there
is any correlation between length and country.
BTW I was told it should better be your friend who brings your
resume and then the length of the resume does not matter....
In Israel I used to try to be 1-2 pages long with the first page
covering the important things and the second that can go into
more details or less important issues. What might be also interesting
here is if you write your resume in English or Hebrew or both?
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Jose Castro
On Nov 12, 2007, at 4:57 PM, Gabor Szabo wrote:
> Though it is not a real answer but you could look at LinkedIn,
> I am sure you have heard about it by now ;-)
Of course I've heard of LinkedIn!
I even created a group for Perl Mongers there ;-)
http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/40830/4971AC40763D
Almost 500 people have already joined the group :-)
jac
> and check how much people write there and check if there
> is any correlation between length and country.
>
> BTW I was told it should better be your friend who brings your
> resume and then the length of the resume does not matter....
>
> In Israel I used to try to be 1-2 pages long with the first page
> covering the important things and the second that can go into
> more details or less important issues. What might be also interesting
> here is if you write your resume in English or Hebrew or both?
>
> Gabor
>
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> Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=82476
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Gabor Szabo
>
> On Nov 12, 2007, at 4:57 PM, Gabor Szabo wrote:
>
> > Though it is not a real answer but you could look at LinkedIn,
> > I am sure you have heard about it by now ;-)
>
> Of course I've heard of LinkedIn!
>
> I even created a group for Perl Mongers there ;-)
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/40830/4971AC40763D
>
> Almost 500 people have already joined the group :-)
No kiddin' ? :-)
And do you know that it is a very good place to look for
an insider contact in any company when you are looking for a job?
Or that recruiters often use it to find candidates?
And that you can recommend each other so that possible
recruiters can already have a good first impression of you?
I really appreciate the new Perl Mongers group on LinkedIn,
I think it can really help a lot of people in our community to
find a good job.
Andy Lester
On Nov 12, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Gabor Szabo wrote:
>> I even created a group for Perl Mongers there ;-)
>>
>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/40830/4971AC40763D
>
> And do you know that it is a very good place to look for
> an insider contact in any company when you are looking for a job?
What are you basing that on? Do you know anyone who has done so? I
would love to hear stories of this happening.
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Uri Guttman
AL> On Nov 12, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Gabor Szabo wrote:
>>> I even created a group for Perl Mongers there ;-)
>>>
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/40830/4971AC40763D
>>
>> And do you know that it is a very good place to look for
>> an insider contact in any company when you are looking for a job?
AL> What are you basing that on? Do you know anyone who has done so? I
AL> would love to hear stories of this happening.
we will find out soon enough. i just joined that group (or at least
applied and cog needs to approve it). i plan on using linkedin (and now
this perl group) to market my perl head hunting services. as soon as i
get perlhunter.com (don't look, it is empty) built a little i will
experiment with promoting it on linkedin. i will report any results to
andy and/or this list. and since i have your attention, i have several
leads for perl hackers in boston and new york. let me know if you are
interested. email u...@perlhunter.com.
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Walt Mankowski
> >>>>> "AL" == Andy Lester <an...@petdance.com> writes:
>
> AL> On Nov 12, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Gabor Szabo wrote:
>
> >>> I even created a group for Perl Mongers there ;-)
> >>>
> >>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/40830/4971AC40763D
> >>
> >> And do you know that it is a very good place to look for
> >> an insider contact in any company when you are looking for a job?
>
>
> AL> What are you basing that on? Do you know anyone who has done so? I
> AL> would love to hear stories of this happening.
>
> we will find out soon enough. i just joined that group (or at least
> applied and cog needs to approve it). i plan on using linkedin (and now
> this perl group) to market my perl head hunting services. as soon as i
> get perlhunter.com (don't look, it is empty) built a little i will
> experiment with promoting it on linkedin. i will report any results to
> andy and/or this list. and since i have your attention, i have several
> leads for perl hackers in boston and new york. let me know if you are
> interested. email u...@perlhunter.com.
I thought actual head hunting was off-topic here. This is the
*discussion* list, not the jobs list.
Walt
Andy Lester
On Nov 12, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Uri Guttman wrote:
> AL> What are you basing that on? Do you know anyone who has done
> so? I
> AL> would love to hear stories of this happening.
>
> we will find out soon enough.
No, I meant using LinkedIn for networking with new people, not just
the PM group.
As far as I can see, LinkedIn is all about networking existing people
a la Facebook, and I have yet to hear of anyone who has found anyone
else via LinkedIn.
That's the kind of story I'm looking for.
xoxo,
Andy
Uri Guttman
AL> On Nov 12, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Uri Guttman wrote:
AL> What are you basing that on? Do you know anyone who has done
>> so? I
AL> would love to hear stories of this happening.
>>
>> we will find out soon enough.
AL> No, I meant using LinkedIn for networking with new people, not
AL> just the PM group.
AL> As far as I can see, LinkedIn is all about networking existing
AL> people a la Facebook, and I have yet to hear of anyone who has
AL> found anyone else via LinkedIn.
i am not sure what you mean by new people. perl people on linked in who
are not in the perl group? perl people not even on linked in? i doubt
you would find many of those unless someone sees a job lead and forwards
it to outside friends. that could happen.
AL> That's the kind of story I'm looking for.
well, i will be using linked in in all possible ways. they claim to be a
good place to search for candidates and i will try that. i can send
messages to my connections and through them to many more connections.
although the pm group may be self selected perl mongers but i don't
expect all of its members to have networked much. and they can also
spread the word to their connections who may not be in the perl group.
anyhow, there is no way i would do this on orkut (which had a
large perl group) or other networking sites. linked in seems to be the
only one aimed at professional types.
Gabor Szabo
>
> On Nov 12, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Uri Guttman wrote:
>
> > AL> What are you basing that on? Do you know anyone who has done
> > so? I
> > AL> would love to hear stories of this happening.
> >
> > we will find out soon enough.
>
>
> No, I meant using LinkedIn for networking with new people, not just
> the PM group.
>
> As far as I can see, LinkedIn is all about networking existing people
> a la Facebook, and I have yet to hear of anyone who has found anyone
> else via LinkedIn.
>
> That's the kind of story I'm looking for.
As I can see these are at least two different issues.
1) I have seen several requests to contact with other going through my node.
Most of them were would be employers who wanted to get in touch with
specific users.
Some of them were the would be employees who wanted to "sell themself"
to an employer.
I don't know about the results as I have not checked that with either side.
2) I have seen the same as above but for consulting services - that
is when you are not
looking for employment.
Personally I have used it many times to get in touch with clients both
as a Perl trainer and for marketing my QA Automation services,
specifically the QA Day:
http://www.pti.co.il/qa_day.html
While I don't have a huge statistics, it seems to be more effective
than cold calling potential
clients.
I was contacted by at least one company - Google - checking if I was
interested in working for them. I wasn't. They were using the direct
messaging feature and not the 'send through a contact feature' which
might be faster and you can reach more people but which lacks
the reference part.
3) It is definitely not for 'making new friends' or contacting people
just for fun. It is geared
towards business contacts including employment. I even tried to
recommend this on PerlMonks http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=645950
as a way of helping each other, with very little success
Maybe my explanation was not good.
4) I have seen people looking up contacts via LinkedIn and when they notice I
have direct contact to the "target person" they ask me to give them their
phone number. In such cases I usually ask the "taget person" if it is
ok to give
out the phone number, but usually it is. So these people use LinkedIn only to
locate the right contact and not actually to reach her.
Again, I think this group José setup on LinkedIn will be able to help us a lot.
First by making this tool more accepted in the Perl community.
Second, when you are looking for an employment in company X, if you find a
Perl monger in that company you might know who is capable to evaluate your
CPAN life etc. in that company. Even if you don't know that person personally.
regards
Randal L. Schwartz
José> A quick question: what's the standard size for resumes in your countries?
Mine's about a paragraph long, but it's in the back of thousands of Perl
books in the world, so I don't even have to send it along. :)
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>>>>>> "José" == José Alves de Castro <jose....@log.pt> writes:
>
> José> A quick question: what's the standard size for resumes in your countries?
>
> Mine's about a paragraph long, but it's in the back of thousands of Perl
> books in the world, so I don't even have to send it along. :)
>
Not very useful. How about if someone was applying to you for a job, what size résumé would you like to see?
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On Nov 13, 2007, at 12:00, "Mr. Shawn H. Corey" <shawn...@magma.ca>
wrote:
> Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>>>>>>> "José" == José Alves de Castro <jose....@log.pt> writes:
>> José> A quick question: what's the standard size for resumes in yo
>> ur countries?
>> Mine's about a paragraph long, but it's in the back of thousands of
>> Perl
>> books in the world, so I don't even have to send it along. :)
>
> Not very useful. How about if someone was applying to you for a
> job, what size résumé would you like to see?
Usually 1-2 pages. If you are very experienced then 2-3 pages.
Everything in the resume should be interesting and relevant though.
As lont as it is, the length isn't so important.
- ask
Dave Rolsky
> Usually 1-2 pages. If you are very experienced then 2-3 pages.
>
> Everything in the resume should be interesting and relevant though. As lont
> as it is, the length isn't so important.
One way to keep the resume shorter is to start trimming descriptions of
your oldest positions.
For example, I have my earliest two positions listed on my resume with
just employer, title and dates, since presumably my more recent positions
are going to be more interesting to a potential employer.
Uri Guttman
DR> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Ask Bjørn Hansen wrote:
>> Usually 1-2 pages. If you are very experienced then 2-3 pages.
>>
>> Everything in the resume should be interesting and relevant though.
>> As lont as it is, the length isn't so important.
DR> One way to keep the resume shorter is to start trimming descriptions of
DR> your oldest positions.
DR> For example, I have my earliest two positions listed on my resume with
DR> just employer, title and dates, since presumably my more recent
DR> positions are going to be more interesting to a potential employer.
that is a decent idea. i have to trim out many jobs because i have had
so many over the years. i still keep some very old ones since the work i
did there is still relevent to my career. but many smaller contracts and
such are totally edited out of the short version. i keep a longer
version around for me. even so my shorter version is about 3 pages.
one thing i have done in helping out my clients is to show them how to
write shorter and punchier job descriptions. this helps in reading and
editing resumes. for example tell me what you were responsible for and
don't tell me all the little technical details about which editor you
used. you designed a foo system that did this. not "i used apache and
mod_perl and the foo module and the bar module and blah blah. i used OO
perl throughout and used a waterfall development methodology except when
it wasn't raining."