annual job stats?
Terrence Brannon
super-thin. Is this just my impression? Is there a graph of jobs
posted to jobs.perl.org per annum somewhere?
I'd like to see how things have gone since the site went live back in 200x.
Walt Mankowski
I'm curious what gives you the impression that the pickings are thin.
Admittedly I'm not in the job market at this time, but I just counted
127 job postings on the perl jobs list just since the beginning of the
year. That seems pretty healthy to me.
Walt
Uri Guttman
WM> On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 03:54:16PM -0500, Terrence Brannon wrote:
>> It appears we are in wartime/recession and the job pickings are
>> super-thin. Is this just my impression? Is there a graph of jobs
>> posted to jobs.perl.org per annum somewhere?
>>
>> I'd like to see how things have gone since the site went live back in 200x.
WM> I'm curious what gives you the impression that the pickings are thin.
WM> Admittedly I'm not in the job market at this time, but I just counted
WM> 127 job postings on the perl jobs list just since the beginning of the
WM> year. That seems pretty healthy to me.
and you can see the monthly postings since may 2001 at:
http://jobs.perl.org/about/stats
dunno what more you need. trivial to download that and pipe it into a
graphing thingie of your choice. a quick eyeballing shows solid growth
in each year and never a major long term downslide in postings per
month. part of this is due to repeated posts
for the same unfilled jobs and also the word keeps spreading about the
site and list. more agencies and companies seem to be using it.
the only downtrend i see is that december seems to always be a
low month but that makes sense.
if ask could handle another task, breaking the stats down by different
posters it would be interesting to see. but alas, i won't ask ask to do
another task!
uri
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Dave Rolsky
> and you can see the monthly postings since may 2001 at:
>
> http://jobs.perl.org/about/stats
>
> dunno what more you need. trivial to download that and pipe it into a
> graphing thingie of your choice. a quick eyeballing shows solid growth
> in each year and never a major long term downslide in postings per
> month. part of this is due to repeated posts
> for the same unfilled jobs and also the word keeps spreading about the
> site and list. more agencies and companies seem to be using it.
>
> the only downtrend i see is that december seems to always be a
> low month but that makes sense.
These stats aren't the best option. When a job expires and gets renewed,
we update the date of the posting, so jobs move from month to month if
they're reposted.
brian d foy produced some stats based on mail to the jo...@perl.org list
which are probably better. It seemed like job postings have only gone up
in the past few years. Whether that's the market or simply that
jobs.perl.org has better market _share_ is impossible to know.
-dave
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Larson Rider
I don't think the job market is going down. I think that Perl might be
trending into being an "old" technology...
As a recruiter I notice trends. Perl jobs seem to have peaked in 2005
and 2006. I count the late 90's as a never to be repeated state of
fantasy.
I am seeing Google influence the world towards Python and the growing
LAMP community both are supplanting areas where Perl was the language of
choice.
Also places that used Perl for apps, I am noticing, are moving to
Java/XML combinations with the proliferation of broadband networking
beyond just internet access.
I see Perl becoming more niche into systems software, particularly in QA
areas where file systems and interaction with Linux and Unix OS
components are needed.
Overall I am seeing a fairly steep steady rise in overall software
FTE-Direct Employee hiring and the contract market, while growing, is
not as strong. For Perl developers, I would recommend having either
Java2/J2SE with XML or have strong knowledge of file systems (NFS, CIFS
etc.) and their protocols.
-Lars
James Moore
I've got completely the opposite impression - everyone's having trouble
hiring in the tech world. Not enough people to go around.
- James Moore
Gabor Szabo
I am not sure, 140 posts in the first 3 weeks of January seems good.
http://jobs.perl.org/about/stats
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Todd Cranston-Cuebas
job seekers in the perl world, the market is very good. This of course
assumes:
a). You're strong in perl
b). You're willing to go where the job is
c). You have reasonable expectations of your salary vs. your skills
Honestly, if point you're a little short on the first requirement (strong
perl), you'll still be find. If you have a solid engineering background
(some years of experience, CS degree perhaps, solid OO skills, MVC
development framework experience, etc.) and you're willing to work in perl,
you'll find a job on a perl team.
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Subject: Re: annual job stats?
Randal L. Schwartz
"Larson> I am seeing Google influence the world towards Python and the growing
"Larson> LAMP community both are supplanting areas where Perl was the language of
"Larson> choice.
Eh? What do you think the "P" stands for in LAMP?
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Marty Landman
> >>>>> ""Larson" == "Larson Rider" <LRI...@pridestaff.com> writes:
>
>"Larson> I am seeing Google influence the world towards Python and the growing
>"Larson> LAMP community both are supplanting areas where Perl was
>the language of
>"Larson> choice.
>
>Eh? What do you think the "P" stands for in LAMP?
According to Wikipedia, it mostly stands for PHP :(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAMP_%28software_bundle%29
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Adrian Howard
Ditto. It's more of an employee's market at the moment than I've seen
since the late nineties (in the UK anyway)
Adrian
Brian D Foy
<aut...@urth.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Uri Guttman wrote:
>
> > and you can see the monthly postings since may 2001 at:
> >
> > http://jobs.perl.org/about/stats
> brian d foy produced some stats based on mail to the jo...@perl.org list
> which are probably better. It seemed like job postings have only gone up
> in the past few years. Whether that's the market or simply that
> jobs.perl.org has better market _share_ is impossible to know.
My post at http://use.perl.org/~brian_d_foy/journal/32142 just counts
posts per month (possibly filtering out messages that don't look like a
job post). I don't do anything to try to figure out duplicates.
As Dave says, neither set of numbers support anything terribly useful.
I just like the idea of a Perl community that takes care of its own by
providing a way for employers and employees to connect. :)
Xaero
I just joined the list and was reading though the old posts (that's what I just got for downloading 100 headers :-s). Thought it would be interesting to see how things have been on jobs.perl.org for the last decade since the first posting to jobs.perl.org happened sometime in May-01. Then realized it's only been 9 years :P, but since I spent sometime on it I decided to send this anyway. Wierd that Terrence Brannon should mention recession in early '07 and since we almost had one, I included a comparision to Dow Jones as well.
Here it is:
http://i46.tinypic.com/29e1yc6.png
Regards.
And a blast from the past :D