Improvements to http://perl-begin.org/
Shlomi Fish
was perfect after the last update, but boy I was wrong. A quick review and
critique of the site by a certain prominent Perl developer revealed many
issues with it, and afterwards I had found a lot of stuff that was lacking. So
here's what has changed.
We're now mirroring the public domain "Perl for Newbies" tutorial on
http://perl-begin.org/tutorials/perl-for-newbies/ as well as the GFDLed book
"Impatient Perl" by Greg London ( http://www.greglondon.com/ ). Their
presence on the site was done in order to preserve Perl-Begin's common look
and feel, and to make sure people would be able to access them without
having to go to a different site, which may be blocked by over-zealous
web-filters. We hope to mirror other freely distributable material that
may prove useful to beginners on Perl-Begin in the future.
The "call-for-action" notice at the beginning was changed to
"Learn Perl Now!" and now appears on all the pages.
We also fixed several look and style glitches.
There are also several corrections to the text and the hyperlinks.
Stack Overflow was added to http://perl-begin.org/web-forums/ .
There are now mentionings of two new topical books at
http://perl-begin.org/books/topics/ -
"Perl & LWP" and "Programming the Perl DBI".
Finally, the "About this site" page at http://perl-begin.org/about.html
was updated and made more modern.
We hope you enjoy the new site. If you like it, please recommend it to
your friends - if you don't - let us know and we'll see what we can do. Unless
mentioned otherwise, all the material on http://perl-begin.org/ is made
available under the Creative Commons Attribution Licence (CC-by) for almost
unlimited distribution and re-use.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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Steve Fink
Since I'm reading this via gmail, and it has a similar layout except
it resizes nicely, I did a quick Firebug check to see how they do it.
I would never have guessed. They do exactly what you're doing: use
absolute numbers of pixels. But when I resize, they apparently do
Javascripty magic to rewrite those numbers for the new screen size.
Tricksy hobbitses.
Want to try doing the same? Seems far easier than doing "real"
resizeable layout.
Denny
> I thought the Perl Beginners' Site - http://perl-begin.org/
> was perfect after the last update, but boy I was wrong.
> We hope you enjoy the new site. If you like it, please recommend it to
> your friends - if you don't - let us know and we'll see what we can do.
Hi Shlomi,
I was just looking through Perl-Begin.org and I found this page:
http://perl-begin.org/learn/get-a-job/
The (mis)quote at the top of it seems like an incredibly bad idea. It
doesn't actually illustrate the point in the following text at all, it
just says that using Perl is 'a problem'. That doesn't seem like a good
thing to say, imho.
Regards,
Denny
Shlomi Fish
This seems to be very complex. But patches would be welcome and considered to:
What should we do about the header image at the top which is exactly 780px
wide and aligns with the rest of the page perfectly? Should we have several
versions of the same image? Suggestions would be welcome.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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Shlomi Fish
Well, a few people I've talked with about it liked it, but several people like
you said that this adaptation of Zawinski's quote was not a good idea. The
quote at the top was meant as a joke and to capture people's attention, but
I'm no longer sure it delivers. We'll reconsider it.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
>
> Regards,
> Denny
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Shlomi Fish
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Steve Fink wrote:
> > I'm referring to http://perl-begin.org/style.css line 40 (according to
> > Firebug), specifically this CSS:
> >
> > #page-container { ... width:780px; }
> >
> > Bad!
>
> I have to say, the site looks very good visually - I haven't looked at
> the contents yet, but in terms of initial visual impact - it's very
> good. You've chosen a good template :)
Thanks.
> However I have to agree with Steve, having the fixed 780px width is
> annoying. My problem is the reverse of Steve, I have a large screen
> and having all the content crammed in a relatively small area in the
> middle of the screen doesn't add anything.
>
I was under the impression that this was Steve's problem too. But I'm not
sure.
In any case, either we can make the page wider somewhat, or alternatively try
to hack a more fluid design like Steve suggested.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
> Regards,
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Phillip Smith
On 19-Aug-09, at 9:45 AM, advocacy-d...@perl.org wrote:
> Suggestions would be welcome.
You should do what the rest of the Web community has done by designing
for the 80% of people that view your site at a higher resolution (and
who don't complain) than for the 20% (or less) percent who are still
surfing at circa 1990 screen resolutions (and who like to complain).
Seriously: have a look at your Web site statistics and make the
decision based on real visitor data, and not opinions.
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Iftekharul Haque
be fun" is quite nice, even if its layout may need some refining.
Also the green leaf motif is relaxing, I like it.
It might need a bit of a retouch to soften the colour scheme a bit.
The default white with sharp blue links is a bit jarring, and the
bullet lists also look very "default'y."
Earth colours are nice, but I'm terrible with colours.
- Ifty.
Johan Vromans
> You should do what the rest of the Web community has done ...
Apparently, the world has forgotten that the web was designed around
the concept of presenting content with logical markup, where the
viewer could control how the content must be presented on his screen.
-- Johan
Phillip Smith
On 23-Aug-09, at 4:54 AM, advocacy-d...@perl.org wrote:
>
>> You should do what the rest of the Web community has done ...
>
> Apparently, the world has forgotten that the web was designed around
> the concept of presenting content with logical markup, where the
> viewer could control how the content must be presented on his screen.
>
> -- Johan
Thankfully, the "world" has realized that 99% of users are too lazy to
learn about user-specified style sheets and, therefor, has made the
important visual presentation decisions for them. ;-)