Re: Truck Access - Proposed Bottom Dollar Store
Stephan Koledin
is a bit unwieldy.
This seems like a perfect type of debate/discussion for the neighborhood
google group (and email list) we've had setup for several years now:
http://groups.google.com/group/pennavepgh
(click the "Join this group" link to the right)
I invite you all to subscribe to the group and move this and other
discussions there.
Hopefully having a open, neutral forum for everyone in the neighborhood
will encourage additional debate and discussion of this issue as well as
many others.
Stephan Koledin
5151 Penn Ave
On 02/11/2011 11:15 AM, Nash, David wrote:
> Bill, I beg to differ. I have spent more than twenty years bringing
> tractor-trailer rigs into urban settings including Manhattan, Chicago --
> and Pittsburgh. We started with 45' trailers then 48' and now 53'.
> Trailers don't bend in the middle like articulated buses. The driver
> does have the ability to shorten the wheel-base somewhat but the reality
> is that the nose of the trailer describes an arc that is different from
> that of the tractor. Further, the tires of the trailer do not describe
> the same arc as those of the tractor. Instead, their turning radius
> will be less than that of the tractor (referred to as "off-tracking.")
> Countless poles, curbs, street trees, parking meters and parked cars
> have fallen victim to off-tracking.
>
> With respect to impact on traffic, anyone who has waited for a truck to
> make multiple attempts at a loading dock on Liberty Avenue near 16th
> street knows the frustration. Imagine an ambulance on its way to
> Children's Hospital having to cut through the neighborhood while two
> grocery employees hold Penn Ave traffic for the turning truck.
>
> Also, I'm skeptical that truck traffic will be limited to three per
> week. There's no true way to predict or control the number of trucks
> required and I'd rather have a responsible business be so successful
> that it exceeds it's projections and needs more deliveries. If the site
> is designed properly, the number of deliveries should be inconsequential.
>
> Best regards,
>
> David
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:21 AM, William Cornell <wfco...@gmail.com
> <mailto:wfco...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Dear David & all,
>
> Let's remember that we are talking about 3 delivery trucks per week.
> I don't think this, even with a wide turn, will bring Penn Avenue
> and the neighborhood to a halt.
>
> Bill
> On Feb 10, 2011, at 6:08 PM, Nash, David wrote:
>
>> Hi, All.
>>
>> Family Dollar happened to be receiving a truck delivery as I drove
>> by today. A photo is attached to give you a sense of the turning
>> radius required by a tractor-trailer rig and the challenges of the
>> proposed grocery store site.
>>
>> Please note that CEC's drawings CP 1 and CP 2 show the trucks
>> encroaching into the parking area. Past experience suggests that
>> a right angle turn with a 53' L x 102" W trailer and conventional
>> (long-nosed) tractor (approximately 75 feet total length) will
>> require the full width of Penn Avenue.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Michael Rebinski
>> <mich...@bloomfield-garfield.org
>> <mailto:mich...@bloomfield-garfield.org>> wrote:
>>
>> To the attendees of Monday's meeting:
>>
>> As promised, here are the designs previously drawn up by
>> George Haberman for the proposed grocery store to be located
>> at 5200 Penn Avenue.
>>
>> "5200 Penn Ave" is the original design with entrance on Coral
>> street, rejected by residents at the December meeting.
>>
>> "Penn Ave CP 1" and "Penn Ave CP 2" are scenarios without an
>> entrance on Coral street. These documents show the difficulty
>> of bringing a truck in solely from Penn Ave, without any
>> secondary entrance.
>>
>> "5200 Penn Ave-Pacific" is the most current design, which you
>> encountered at the recent meeting. This design is a
>> compromise, which would bring trucks in from Penn Ave and
>> route them onto S. Pacific, where they could return to Penn.
>> This design requires reopening the portion of Pacific Ave
>> between Coral and Penn to two way traffic.
>>
>> For those of you that have volunteered for the 5200 Penn
>> Avenue committee, we will contact you soon regarding a meeting
>> date.
>>
>> Michael Rebinski
>> BGC
>>
>>
>> <Tractor-Trailer at Family Dollar.jpg>
>
>
William Cornell
Thanks for the invitation, but for the moment I won't be joining the
discussion group. While I clearly disagree with David Nash, I regret
responding in this format. A committee is being set up based on last
Monday's meeting with Brantley Tillman and George Haberman through the
BGC. I have found Tillman and Haberman serious and respectful to the
concerns and needs of the neighborhoods that will be effected and
served by a new grocery store in walking distance to many local
residents. Many residents of the Garfield neighborhoods do not have
ready access to the internet, so I don't think a google group or email
discussions will be adequately inclusive to those who will be affected
by this process. I will read what is posted but not further
participate in the internet discussions. I will be participating in
the resident's committee that is being set up.
Best regards, Bill Cornell