Hamilton-Russell/Howard marriage

[Michael Rhodes]

_.The marriage took place at Greystoke Castle, Cumbria, 20 April, 2013, of Gustavus Michael Stucley Hamilton-Russell, 11th Viscount Boyne (b 27 May, 1965) son of the late 10th Viscount Boyne, KCVO (1931-95), of Burwarton, Bridgnorth, Salop, by his wife the former Rosemary Anne Stucley (scion of the Stucley Baronets), & Miss Julia Howard.

Lord Boyne married firstly, in 1991, Lucy, daughter of George Potter, by whom he has three children. I have scanned the Greystoke branch of the Howard Family (Dukes of Norfolk) for a Julia Howard and can't seem to locate her. Is the bride Julia Frances Howard (b 3 Oct 1964), dau of Sir John Philip Howard, 6th Baronet, of Corby Castle, Carlisle?

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[marquess]

Is the castle still under Howard ownership? What is the relationship between the Howard baronets and the ducal family?

[Turenne]

The 1st Bt married (1660) Catherine Howard, a descendant of the 4th Duke of Norfolk via his third son Lord William Howard.

 Philip Howard, the son of Sir John Philip Howard-Lawson, 6th Baronet, was suing his father for unlawfully selling the ancestral home of Corby Castle. Mr Howard, attempted to disinherit his father, the 6th Baronet, for failing to respect the wishes of Sir Philip John Canning Howard who had stated in a will that his heirs must change their name to Howard and adopt the family coat of arms.

Philip 'lost' the case insofar as he was awarded £5.60 per annum by the courts:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9692283/Baronets-son-awarded-5.60-in-2.5m-family-castle-sale-row.html

The courts don't like frivolous law suits!

RL

[LoopyCrown3]

Here is a link to the Dukes of Norfolk
Thomas Howard 4th Duke of Norfolk
Lord William Howard
Sir Philip Howard
Sir William Howard
Catherine Howard (married Sir John Lawson 1st bt of Brough Hall title created on the 6/7/1665)
Sir Henry Lawson 2nd bt
Sir John Lawson 3rd bt
Sir Henry Lawson 4th bt
Sir John Lawson 5th bt
Elizabeth Lawson
Sir William Lawson 1st bt (on the death of his uncle Sir Henry Lawson 6th bt his title was extinct his mother inherited the family estates and William was created Baronet of Brough Hall on the 8/9/1841 as a second creation of his uncles title)
Sir John Lawson 2nd bt
Sir Henry Joseph Lawson 3rd bt (married Ursula Mary Howard a descendant of Lord William Howard herself)
Sir William Howard-Lawson 5th bt
Sir John Philip Howard-Lawson 6th bt
Julia Frances Veronica Howard

[LoopyCrown3]

Here’s the other line via Ursula Mary Howard

Thomas Howard 4th Duke of Norfolk
Lord William Howard

Sir Francis Howard
William Howard
Thomas Howard
Henry Howard
Philip Henry Howard
Sir Philip John Canning Howard (owned Corby castle)
Ursula Mary Howard
Sir William Howard-Lawson 5th Bt
Sir John Philip Howard-Lawson 6th Bt
Julia Frances Veronica Howard

[Olivier]

Julia Frances Veronica Howard is a 10th cousin of a parent of Gustavus Michael Stucley Hamilton-Russell, Viscount Boyne. 

Indeed, Edward Somerset, Marquess of Worcester and Elizabeth Dormer are at the same time 

◦ancestors of the 12th generation of Gustavus Michael Stucley Hamilton-Russell, Viscount Boyne 

◦ancestors of the 11th generation of Julia Frances Veronica Howard 

Julia Frances Veronica Howard is also a 10th cousin of a grandparent of Gustavus Michael Stucley Hamilton-Russell, Viscount Boyne. 

Indeed, William Douglas, Marquess of Douglas and Mary Gordon are at the same time

 

◦ancestors of the 13th generation of Gustavus Michael Stucley Hamilton-Russell, Viscount Boyne 

◦ancestors of the 11th generation of Julia Frances Veronica Howard 

Julia Frances Veronica Howard is also a 11th cousin of a parent of Gustavus Michael Stucley Hamilton-Russell, Viscount Boyne. 

Indeed, David Carnegie, Earl of Southesk and Margaret Lindsay also 

William Howard and Mary Eure are at the same time 

◦ancestors of the 13th generation of Gustavus Michael Stucley Hamilton-Russell, Viscount Boyne 

◦ancestors of the 12th generation of Julia Frances Veronica Howard 

[LoopyCrown3]

I think Greystoke Castle is owned by the Howard Family. Lord Henry Howard-Molyneux-Howard owned it and he was the brother of the 12^th Duke of Norfolk. He was also the grandfather of Sir Edward Stafford Howard KCB JP DL and Esme Howard 1^st Baron Howard of Penrith GCB GCMG CVO.

Lord Henry’s son Henry Howard owned Greystoke Castle and Thornbury Castle. Henry Howard’s grandson via Sir Edward Stafford Howard KCB JP DL was Sir Algar Howard KCB KCVO MC TD.

Thornbury Castle is now a hotal owned by von Essen hotals

I don’t know which descendant of Lord Henry Howard-Molyneux-Howard owns Greystoke Castle. Replies would be great.

[Tracey Lowndes]

Looking at the Boyne article in Debrett's, I wondered why Frederick, the Viscount's eldest son, wasn't listed as the heir to the viscountcy. I found the answer here - the Viscount and his first wife adopted him, therefore he isn't eligible for the viscountcy.

[Richard R]

I can't open the link but I see Debrett clearly labels him as an adopted son.

[Richard R]

I made my Debrett comment from memory as I don't have the copy to hand. They usually label children as adopted where appropriate, but maybe they didn't on this occasion?

[Tracey Lowndes]

I have the 2008 and 2011 editions of Debretts and neither labels Frederick as adopted. The link I provided is a copy of the Burkes entry for the viscountcy, which does show him as adopted, as I said in my previous post.