COLEMAN, Mrs Peter (Elisabeth Donata Regina Emma Clementine nee PRINZESSIN REUSS) 1932-2022

[Richard R]

From the Times of 4 May 2022: COLEMAN Donata (née Prinzessin Reuss) on 24th April 2022, aged 89, beloved wife of the late Bishop Peter Coleman, devoted mother of Antonia, Basil, Benedict and Elena, who enjoyed sharing the lives of her children and six grandchildren. as above.

She was d of HEINRICH 29th Prince REUSS &c 1891-1946 (5xgt gs of King GEORGE II 1683-1760) and Antonia Emma Elisabeth ZU CASTELL-CASTELL 1896-1971. She m 1960 Rt Rev Peter Everard 1928-2001 sometime Bishop of Crediton s of Geoffrey Everard COLEMAN 1900-42 by his c1923 m reg Q1 Herts to Lilian Bessie COOK 1900-83, and had two sons and two daus as above.

[marquess]

I have never completely managed to accept the continental system of a woman losing her hereditary status upon marriage.  From a H.S.H to a mere Mrs.  Is this the system throughout the continent?

[https:/www.maltagenealogy.com/LeighRayment/]

1) He was not Heinrich 29th Prince Reuss but Heinrich XXXIX. Prinz Reuß zu Köstritz (he renounced the title of Fürst)

2) Concerning to concept of marriage between different social ranks.

Ärgere Hand
https://www.mittelalter-lexikon.de/wiki/%C3%84rgere_Hand

[marquess]

Meaning of course that he was the 29th prince to be born in the 20th century, all the male line take the name Heinrich and the numerical numbering. I have never fully managed to discern the precise difference between Furst and Prinz? (Apart from his princely grace as opposed to H.S.H)

[John Horton]

I understand one to be a sovereign prince (or, in these dreadful days, a former sovereign prince) and the other a junior member of a royal family.

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In the case of ruling families, "Fürst" signifies the ruler, the head of the family. This applies to the Reuss lines, the Schwarzburg lines, Waldeck-Pyrmont, Lippe, Schaumburg-Lippe, the Hohenzollern lines, etc.

In the case of what are called "mediatized" families, the head of the family, and sometimes the head of individual lines, is often "Fürst", though sometimes merely "Graf" [Count].

In the case of some non-reigning and non-mediatized families, the head is a "Fürst". Examples are the Fürst von Pless or the Fürst von Carolath-Beuthen.

There are some anomalous cases of families in which all members are called "Fürst", such as the Princes von Wrede.

In all these cases "Fürst" is normally translated to English as "Prince".

To add to the confusion, in German, all members of many Russian and sometimes even Italian princely families are called "Fürst". And the Russian Grand Dukes, as we call them in English, are usually called "Großfürst" in German.

[marquess]

Even the head of the princely house of Bismarck is known as furst, it's a confusing anomalous business that would require a royal bureau to settle clearly.  Much in the same way that Franz-Josef clarified the position of Serene Highness for all princes in 1905.