CHURCHILL, Rt Hon 6th Baron (1926-2020)

[Richard R]

From the Telegraph of 21 Oct 2020: CHURCHILL Baron (Richard) Harry Ramsay Spencer on 19.10.2020 aged 94. Private Funeral

He was s of Col Richard Augustus SPENCER (1888-1956, s of Lt-Col Augustus Campbell SPENCER (1851-1912, s of Gen Hon Sir Augustus Almeric SPENCER (1807-93, s of 1st Baron CHURCHILL (1779-1845 s of 4th Duke of MARLBOROUGH (1739-1817)) and Lady Frances FITZROY (1780-1866, dau of 3rd Duke of GRAFTON (1735-1811, 2x gt gs of King CHARLES II))))), and Maude Evelyn (d 1989) dau of Lt-Col Henry Lushington RAMSAY (1854-1928, gt gs of 8th Earl of DALHOUSIE (1730-87)) and Sophia THOMAS (d 1946). He m 1st 1958 Antionette Rose-Marie (d 1994) d of Godefroy DE CHARRIERE of Perverenges, Lausanne, Switzerland, and had two sons. He m 2nd 1999 Cressida Josephine Alice (formerly Mrs Rodney Sykes) d of Walter VON HALLE. His elder son succeeds him.

MICHAEL RICHARD DE CHARRIERE Spencer [7th] Baron CHURCHILL (b 9 Nov 1960), has yet to establish claim and appear on The Peerage Roll. He m 1995 Elizabeth MONK d Donald Franklin MOORE (1921-96) by his 1944 m (reg Q3 Kent) to Una D HARE (b 1916)

BROTHER LIVING

Hon DAVID ANTHONY DE CHARRIERE Spencer (b 11 March 1970), heir presumptive

[marquess]

Is there anyone under the age of 30 in remainder to this barony?

[Richard R]

Not quite under 30 but Charles William Alexander SPENCER (b 1990 reg Q1 London) m 2017 Adelle Francesca WEBB, no issue listed so far. gs of Capt John Lawrence SPENCER DSO MC (1917-67) 2xgt gs of 1st Baron CHURCHILL

[David Gabriel]

On wikipedia heir is nephew of 7th Baron. That would mean that David Anthony has a son but has died. 

[bx...@yahoo.com]

The Debrett's database is still showing David (listed as unmarried and childless) as hp.

Brooke

[bx...@yahoo.com]

I note the diagram shown on the Wikipedia page is incorrect.  Thomas, on that diagram, appears to be the brother of the 7th Baron, instead of the nephew.

Brooke

[bx...@yahoo.com]

Debrett's database is still showing David as the heir.

Is there any confirmation to the Wikipedia page, which shows his son as the new hp?

Thanks.

Brooke

[bx...@yahoo.com]

The Wikipedia page has reverted to showing the Hon. David, brother of the present Baron, as the hp.

Brooke.

[Henry W]

thepeerage.com has an update on Hon. David, bro & hp of the present Baron:

https://www.thepeerage.com/p10795.htm#i107943

He has two sons, born 2006 & 2007, the eldest of whom is previously referenced here and on Wikipedia.  The source is an email of 30 July 2023.  No marriage for Hon David is given.

Nothing on Debrett's database reflects these details.

[bx...@yahoo.com]

Thanks for the information, Henry.

This appears to be good news.  

However, is there a way to confirm these 2 sons are actually in remainder to the barony (as there is no information on their mother and an actual marriage)?

Thanks.

Brooke

[S. S.]

Debrett's 2019 print edition gives his address, so someone could write to him and inquire. His marriage and issue are not recorded in the print or online edition to date. 

S.S.

[gorgo...@gmail.com]

It would be great to have information from  GRO births index. If somebody has access to the index, please, check it.

[S R Eglesfield]

The information about the two sons of the Hon David Spencer which is given on thepeerage.com website has been provided, according to the footnote, by Thomas Ellison, who is presumably the elder of those sons, Thomas Felix Cameron de Charrière Ellison-Spencer. The younger son's name is given on  thepeerage.com as Sebastian David Oliver Spencer.

I checked the GRO births index, and found the birth of Thomas Felix Cameron Ellison registered in Kensington and Chelsea in Q4 2006. The mother's maiden surname is not shown against a birth entry on the GRO index unless one inputs it as one of the search criteria. However, I checked this birth entry on the Find My Past website, where the mother's maiden surname is automatically shown, eliminating the need for the researcher to have prior knowledge of it, and found her surname to have been Warner.

It seems likely to me that the younger son is the Sebastian David Isaac Ellison (note the different third christian name) whose birth was registered in Kensington and Chelsea in Q4 2007. His mother's maiden surname also appears on the GRO births index as Warner.

If these two birth entries are, indeed, for the sons of the Hon David Spencer, this calls into question why they were registered under the surname of Ellison, which is something to which I do not have the answer.

[bx...@yahoo.com]

S R, thanks so much for your investigative work on this.

I'm wondering if "Ellison" might be the name of these young men's biological father, and then, perhaps, the Hon. David adopted them?  Just trying to think of possibilities.

Brooke

[S R Eglesfield]

That would seem to be a possibility. It would, in any event, seem likely that they are not in the line of succession to the barony.

[gorgo...@gmail.com]

S R Eglesfield,

is it possible to find information about Ellison/ Warner marriage?

[bx...@yahoo.com]

It would be great if someone could find that out.

freebmd has marriage information, but only before 2000, and GRO has only birth and death records.

The only Ellison-Warner marriage I could find, between 1980 and 1999, was a Trevor Ellison to Elaine Warner in Mar 1981 in Gateshead.

Brooke

[S R Eglesfield]

It would seem that the marriage records have not been digitised yet, and that there is no prospect of that happening in the foreseeable future. As Brooke has said, freebmd has information up to around 2000 (although not all of the index entries have been transcribed yet), but there is, to my knowledge at least, nothing that is generally accessible in relation to more recent marriages.

[G. Willis]

Had a bit of a poke around but nothing really conclusive: Thomas Felix Cameron Ellison on the 2026 Electoral Roll along with an Anna D. Ellison in London S.W.4; Companies House has an Anna Diana Vyvyen Ellison (whose confirmation of identity records her name with only the first two forenames), b. 1953, 'British',  res. London S.W.4. No birth records for an Anna D. Warner nor Ellison in the U.K., but a marriage in 1973 for Anna D. V. Ellison and Mark Lousley at Brighton. No birth record evident on FreeBMD for him either. No Lousley-Ellison children evident in U.K. birth records.

Usually I check FamilySearch but it seems to be on the fritz given the results I was getting for several searches. How any of this could fit with T. Ellison being born to a 'Warner' mother I don't know; unless Anna Ellison was b. Warner (outside the U.K.?), married an Ellison prior to 1973, married M. Lousley that year, and... remarried an Ellison? Reverted to that name, had her son by a man of a completely different name but gave him 'her' surname of Ellison, and when required to put her maiden name did so? Of course things like surrogacy etc exist as options, but I know nothing of them really. Or is she T. Ellison's paternal aunt? At any rate, no sign of a Sebastian Ellison or Spencer, either in that household or any other, in the Electoral Roll. Note also the absence of 'de Charriere' and 'Spencer' in re: T. Ellison. One highlights the salient points that the Wikipedia article once indicated him to be the heir, and that thepeerage's source was evidently the same individual.