Simon Egerton Scrope (1934-2010)
Michael Rhodes
North Yorkshire, died there, 7 March, 2010, aged 75. He was b 23 Dec
1934, son of Richard Ladislas Scrope by his wife the former Lady Jane
Egerton, daughter of the 4th Earl of Ellesmere (see Sutherland D);
married 23 Jul 1970, Jennifer Jane Parkinson, dau of Sir Kenneth
Parkinson, of Follifoot, North Yorkshire, by his wife the former Hon
Dorothy Lane-Fox, dau of the 1st and last Baron Bingley, and leaves
issue, (1) Simon Henry Richard (Harry) Scrope, b 1974, and (1) Emily
Scrope, b 24 May, 1972. He leaves grandchildren, of Alice and Tessa.
Private Funeral Mass at St Simon & Jude, Ulshaw. Service of
Thanksgiving will be announced at a later date.
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Shinjinee
long as his father and uncles.
So Harry Scrope is not married, is he? The last I heard of him via
news reports, he was in the Army and had done interesting things like
exploring in Antarctica. (His second cousin Ralph Baker-Cresswell, son
of Barbara nee Scrope, is also quite adventurous).
The Scrope succession AFAIK:
Head: Simon Richard Henry (Harry) Scrope (b. 1974)
Heirs: descended from Ralph Henry Scrope (1905-1981) and his wife Lady
Beatrice Savile
1. Henry John Scrope, cousin of late father
2. William Scrope, his son
3. Philip Scrope, yr brother of no.1
4. Richard Scrope, about whom I inquired some months back
5. Peter Scrope, yr brother of no. 1 and 3; he has at least 3 sons and
3 daus with wife Penny nee Davies (of Davies B)
etc.
Then come the descendants of the third son of Henry Aloysius Scrope
and Maria Mercedes de Laski
* John Scrope (b. 1932), who has at least two sons Christopher
(Kester) and Thomas, both with sons of their own
* Richard Scrope (another one) son of the late Bill Scrope
* Adrian Scrope (b. 1949) married to the former Sarah Ward, elder
daughter of the late Gerald Ward (godfather of HRH Prince Henry of
Wales aka Harry) and the former Rosalind Lygon, of Madresfield Court,
Worcs. Issue 1 son and 1 dau
The fourth son Simon Scrope d 1991 left only two daughters.
The next branch is extinct, I think, in the male line or the surviving
males are in their eighties and nineties. (This is the branch of the
late Conyers Stephen Scrope d 1993 who married 1stly Lady Mary Egerton
of the earls of Ellesmere, sister of the 6th Duke of Sutherland and
2ndly the mother of Viscountess Colville of Culross previously
Viscountess Davidson).
Then come some distant relatives but my information breaks down here.
The recent Burke's might offer more information for the interested.
One branch emigrated to Ireland, and a branch thereof to North America
(both US and Canada) where they adopted the surname Scroop. A member
of this branch created a website from where I got the information.
Shinjinee
On Mar 9, 5:23 am, Michael Rhodes <mig73allenford2...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
Michael Rhodes
On Mar 9, 4:28 pm, Shinjinee <ssenpub...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you, Michael. I'm sorry to hear that Simon Scrope didn't live as
> long as his father and uncles.
>
> So Harry Scrope is not married, is he?
I don't believe Harry is wed yet.
Shinjinee
Michael Rhodes
of 75. Simon Egerton Scrope, of Danby on Yore, near Middleham, served
on the committee for 23 years from 1981 until 2004, during which time
he helped steer the course through major developments including the
creation of the Melrose, Knavesmire and Ebor stands.
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/5061098.Tribute_paid_to_racing_stalwart_Simon_Egerton_Scrope/#
His association with the course went back to when he was a member of
the course from the early 1960s and worked with the business as its
insurance broker.
Marketing manager James Brennan, speaking on behalf of York
Racecourse, said Mr Scrope “was ever a gentleman and always had a word
for those of us working at the racecourse”.
He said: “He loved his racing and loved York as many of his family
have.”
Mr Scrope became a director of Pontefract Racecourse in 1995 and was
appointed its chairman two years later.
He stood down from the position a fortnight ago, saying he did not
feel fit enough to attend as many meetings as he would like to.
Mr Scrope was born on December 23 1934. He married his wife, Jane, on
July 23, 1970 at Wellington Barracks, Guards Chapel, Westminster,
London and they had two children, Emily and Harry.
The Scrope family has lived at Danby on Yore since 1548. The family
motto is Devant si je puis – Forward if I can.
Mr Scrope died at home on Sunday, March 7.
Michael Rhodes
families in the country, Simon Egerton Scrope of Danby on Yore, North
Yorkshire, who has died aged 75, was renowned by all who knew him as
the quintessential English gentleman.
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/obituaries/Simon-Scrope.6167712.jp
His family were a force in England before the Norman Conquest and
subsequently became active in Wensleydale from the early 14th
century.
Between the reigns of Edward II and Charles I the Scroope family (as
it was then spelt) produced an Archbishop, two Bishops, one Lord High
Chancellor, two Chief Justices, four Treasurers, five Knights of the
Garter, two Earls and 20 Barons. (NOTE: Was the family name ever
spelt Scroope? Surely, Lords Scrope of Bolton and Lords Scrope of
Masham were never SCROOPE)
Simon Scrope loved racing and played important roles at York and
Pontefract. He was a formidable shot with rifle and shot-gun, an
astute fisherman and respected huntsman. He was a renowned expert on
trees, shrubs, birds and other wildlife.
He was born in London to Richard Scrope better known as Dick, who
divided his time between the City, where he had an insurance brokerage
business, and Yorkshire. During the war Simon, with younger sister
Elizabeth, were brought up by their mother, Lady Jane Egerton,
daughter of the Earl of Ellesmere.
Educated at Gilling Castle and Ampleforth College, Simon Scrope
developed a love of history and was a proud winner of the college
general knowledge prize. He hunted with the Ampleforth College Beagles
as Master for two seasons.
National Service was spent with the Coldstream Guards with whom his
father had served and his son Harry would eventually serve. A lifelong
appreciation of the Armed Forces ensued, best reflected in an endless
interest in military history.
From the Army, he read land management at Trinity College, Cambridge.
He became Joint Master of the Trinity Foot Beagles while further
adding to a wide circle of loyal and life-long friends.
He then followed his father into insurance, becoming chairman of the
brokers Richards Longstaff; a position he held for over 30 years.
He personally took care of the insurance requirements of numerous
landed estates across the country. This expertise among many other
qualities made him a long serving trustee of Swinton Park, Masham,
Burton Agnes Hall, Bridlington and Mertoun near Kelso; family seat of
his uncle the Duke of Sutherland.
He was chairman of various charitable trusts, and for many years was a
director of the St John and St Elizabeth independent London hospital.
His love of horse racing resulted in 23 years as a member of the York
Racecourse Committee, during which time he helped undertake major
developments including the creation of the Melrose, Knavesmire and
Ebor stands. For 11 very happy years he was also chairman of
Pontefract racecourse. Nearer to home he particularly savoured a
morning on the Middleham gallops with highly respected local trainers
such as Mark Johnston.
His wife Jane, daughter of former Yorkshire County Cricket Club
chairman Sir Kenneth Parkinson, shared his enjoyment of racing,
stalking and gardening. He shared her love of music which would be a
great comfort to him in his final years. A lifelong appreciation of
fine art, particularly Rembrandt, Titian and Caravaggio, would also be
fulfilled in later life.
The couple had known each other from childhood, and were married in
1970 at The Guards Chapel, Wellington Barracks.
When not in a grouse butt, Simon Scrope was happiest waging war
against the weeds in his garden or planting trees in his much-prized
parkland.
During his tenure at Danby, he greatly enhanced the 1,500-acre estate
with an extensive tree-planting programme.
His Canadian Red Willows, pollarded every second year, now adorn the
garden of many a friend.
He cared deeply for the countryside, and for countrymen. He was a
member of the Yorkshire Dales Rivers Trust, and a Trustee of the
Marrick Priory Outdoor Education Centre in Swaledale.
When he was diagnosed with Parkinson's Disease over 10 years ago, only
his closest family were told, to avoid unnecessary fuss. He remained
determined to continue as active a life as he possibly could for as
long as was humanly possible.
His resolute dignity became a byword for inspiration amidst increasing
adversity.
In Simon Scrope were combined deep religious faith, fortitude and
humour. He possessed an inquiring mind and his meticulous attention to
detail was well renowned.
He did not suffer fools gladly. Renowned as a firm mediator, he always
inspired great loyalty with his courteous and balanced approach.
Simon Scrope is survived by his wife Jane, their son Harry, 35,
daughter Emily, 37, and granddaughters, Alice and Tessa.
A Thanksgiving Mass for his life will be held at Ampleforth Abbey on
Friday, April 23, which is St George's Day.
A retiring collection will be held for Combat Stress and The
Coldstream Afghan Fund.
--==--
Richard R
April 2010. It's terribly well written and worth quoting in extenso:
Simon Scrope
Simon Scrope, who has died aged 75, was the head of one of the most
illustrious families in England and the epitome of the traditional
country squire.
...Scrope (pronounced "Scroop") combined a career in the City with his
stewardship of Danby, the family's 1,500-acre estate in North
Yorkshire.....A devout Roman Catholic, thankful for his good fortune
in life, he dedicated much time to voluntary work and was greatly
respected for his probity. The Scropes descend from one of Edward the
Confessor's Norman favourites, and were thus already settled in
England at the time of the Conquest. The family motto, Devant si je
puis (Forward if I am able), is a sardonic allusion to their name,
which means "crab" in the Norman dialect. Establishing themselves in
Wensleydale in the 12th century, Scropes distinguished themselves on
the Crusades and in the Hundred Years War, were regularly summoned to
medieval parliaments as barons, and have produced five Garter
knights.
The Scrope coat of arms, Azure a bend or, was one of the earliest to
be adopted and, to amateurs of heraldry, is a celebrated curiosity.
Campaigning in Scotland in 1385, Richard, Lord Scrope of Bolton, was
aghast to see it borne by a fellow knight, Sir Richard le Grosvenor.
The matter was tried in the Court of Chivalry – John of Gaunt, Harry
"Hotspur" and Geoffrey Chaucer all giving evidence on Scrope's behalf.
Depositions were conveniently heard in York Minster, the family burial
place, where the Scrope arms were prominently on display, as they were
– in glass, alabaster and stone – in more than 40 other churches in
Yorkshire.
The court's decision in favour of Scrope has long rankled with the
Grosvenors. Hugh Grosvenor, 1st Duke of Westminster, was to name his
famous racehorse (the 1880 Derby winner) Bend Or, and it was also his
nickname for his grandson, the 2nd Duke, whose chestnut hair reminded
him of the horse. For their part, the proud Scropes sport a
distinctive family tie, based on their arms, of blue with diagonal
gold stripes.
Simon Scrope descended from a junior branch of the family which
succeeded to the headship in 1630. Christopher Scrope was by that time
a convicted recusant and knew better than to press his claim to the
titles and estates. Christopher's son seated himself at Danby-on-Yore,
in the heart of the Scrope country, which the family had acquired
through an heiress in 1576.
Largely rebuilt in the 16th century, Danby Hall incorporates one of
the most southerly examples of a peel tower, dating from the early
14th century. A small chamber at the top of the "old Tower" served as
a chapel, the only place of Catholic worship for miles around. In the
early 1800s a capacious priest's hole was rediscovered at the back of
a fireplace.
Generations of Scropes were barred, as Catholics, from public office.
Their sons were sent abroad, with false identities, for their
schooling. Forbidden to own any horse worth more than £5, they
depended on kindly Protestant neighbours to hold them in their own
names. The Scrope who bred Danby Cade, a famous 18th-century
racehorse, was not his legal owner.
"Penal times" ended with the passing of the Catholic Relief Act in
1829. Scrope of Danby petitioned in vain for the earldom of Wiltshire,
but retained the heraldic supporters (a pair of Cornish choughs) that
the family claim by prescription – supporters being an honour usually
afforded only to peers and knights grand cross under Royal Warrant.
Simon Egerton Scrope was born in London on December 23 1934, the only
son of Richard (Dick) Scrope and his wife Lady Jane Egerton, sister of
the 5th Earl of Ellesmere, who in 1963 succeeded his cousin as 6th
Duke of Sutherland. Scrope spent part of a wartime childhood at
Mertoun, the Ellesmere seat in the Borders.
After schooling at Gilling Castle and Ampleforth, and National Service
with his father's old regiment, the Coldstream Guards, in Germany,
Scrope studied Land Management at Trinity College, Cambridge.
In his subsequent career in the City he was chairman, for more than 30
years, of Richards Longstaff, a private-client insurance business
specialising in landed estates.
Scrope dealt personally with the needs of some prominent clients,
including York racecourse and the trustees of Mertoun, his childhood
home. The expansion of the firm (bought out by HSBC in 1993) was a
considerable achievement in which Scrope took great pride. Without the
backing of a successful business career, he would undoubtedly have had
to sell his beloved Danby.
He derived great satisfaction from his planting of trees on the
estate, from his beautification of the garden and parkland and, above
all, from the shoot. A skilful fisherman and fine shot, he was also a
renowned huntsman.
He was the schoolboy Master, for two seasons, of the Ampleforth
College Beagles, and joint Master of the Trinity Foot Beagles while at
Cambridge. Another lifelong passion was for stalking. Scrope was never
happier than during the single, magical week each year that he spent
in a tiny bothy in the forest of Glenquoich.
....Scrope was noted for his meticulous timekeeping and attention to
matters of style and dress, habits he had acquired as a young officer
in the Coldstream. He set the highest standards for himself and
others. With his unswerving sense of fair play, sound judgment, sense
of humour and understated turn of phrase, he inspired many devoted
admirers.
During a long battle with Parkinson's disease, he showed remarkable
courage, determination and lack of self-pity. On June 8 2005,
immaculate in a dark suit and the family tie, he presided over a large
gathering of Scrope descendants in York. To commemorate the 600th
anniversary of the execution of Archbishop Richard Scrope, the family
journeyed by boat to a service in the Minster, hearing Mass on the
way. The proceedings culminated with their laying a wreath on the
Archbishop's tomb.
Simon Scrope, who died at Danby on March 7, was happily married for
nearly 40 years to Jane, daughter of Sir Kenneth Parkinson, a former
chairman of Yorkshire County Cricket Club, whom he had known since
childhood. She survives him, with their son and daughter
E N D S
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/7607958/Simon-Scrope.html
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Turenne
> The family motto, Devant si je puis (Forward if I am able), is a sardonic allusion to their name,
> which means "crab" in the Norman dialect.
I am intrigued by the motto, which to me is a mistranslation. 'Devant'
means, if anything, 'in front of' or maybe even 'foremost'. I reckon
that the motto should translate as 'In front if I am able' which has
an entirely different meaning.
> Azure a bend or, was one of the earliest to be adopted and, to amateurs of heraldry, is a celebrated curiosity. Campaigning in Scotland in > 1385, Richard, Lord Scrope of Bolton, was aghast to see it borne by a fellow knight, Sir Richard le Grosvenor. ......
The other quick point is that the Scropes didn't have entirely their
own way regarding coats of arms. Although they won their action againt
the Grosvenors, they lost a separate action involving the Carnminow
family and another one which related to the Stanleys (on a different
heraldic matter).
Following Michael's point, I can find no reference to a 'Scroope' . Le
Scrope seems to be the earliest spelling:
'Gulielmus Lescrope.
Filius Baron Lescrope.
Comes Wiltiniae.
Thesaurarius Angliae.
Dominus Maniae
Constabularius.
Castri De Queeneburgh.
15 Junii Ano Rich. 2.
Vicesimo 1397. '
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