Warre/Walker engagement

[Michael Rhodes]

The engagement was announced 3 JUne, 2005, between Caspar Alexis
Mackintosh Warre, son of Mr Angus Warre, of Uppark, West Sussex, and
Mrs Carolyn Hadden-Paton, of Lambourn Woodlands, Berks, & Charlotte
Elizabeth Walker, elder dau of the Hon. Sir Simothy Edward Walker, Kt,
(B. 1946), a Judge of the Court of Justice, Queen's Bench Div, of Ham,
Wilts, and Lady Walker (nee Mary Tyndall).

Source: Daily Telegraph 03 June, 2005

[Shinjinee]

As in son of (John) Anthony Warre MC by his former wife Anne Peace
Arabella "Arbell" Mackintosh, granddaughter of the 9th duke of
Devonshire?

from j1a

2.2.9.2.4.3.2.9.3.1.1.Anne Peace Arabella Mackintosh, b.24 Sep 1918,
30th Chief of Clan Chattan 1938-42; m.1st 3 Jan 1942 (div 1954) John
Anthony Warre (b.4 Dec 1912) [NB his 2nd wife Janetta Paynter (b 1922)
is a Beauclerk descendant]; m.2d John Henry Montagu-Douglas-Scott***
2.2.9.2.4.3.2.9.3.1.1.1.Angus Warre, b.21 Feb 1943; m.1985 Sophia
Teresa Meade-Fetherstonhaugh (b.22 Mar 1954)
2.2.9.2.4.3.2.9.3.1.1.1.1.Theodora Warre, b.1986
2.2.9.2.4.3.2.9.3.1.1.2.Jonathan James Warre, b.8 Sept 1944
2.2.9.2.4.3.2.9.3.1.1.3.George Dominic Mackintosh, b.24 Mar 1949

Shinjinee

[Michael Rhodes]

Yes, Shinjinee...I knew I'd left something out!
> Shinjinee

[aplou...@hotmail.com]

Caspar Alexis Mackintosh Warre was born 6 Aug 1974; son of Angus Warre
by his first (of 3) wife Carolyn Rennie.

Charlotte Elizabeth Walker was born 25 May 1972. Sir Timothy Walker is
professionally Hon. Mr. Justice Timothy Walker, High Court Judge. Lady
Walker was born Mary Jane Tyndall. There is a Tyndall family in 1952
Landed Gentry, which I don't have.

Sources; The Times online & Debrett's People of Today 2001.

(1) Angus Warre, b. Clifden Hampden Manor, Abingdon, Oxfordshire
21.2.1943;
m. 20.7.1972 (div.), Carolyn Geraldine Rennie, b.; 2nd dau of RG
Rennie, of Much Binding, Johannesburg, South Africa, and NN (Mrs JE
Cordingley, of The Manor House, West Camel, Somerset), and had issue 1
son,
(1a) Caspar Alexis Mackintosh Warre, b. 6.8.1974;

m. 2nd London 20.10.1982 (div.), Gina A Klijn, b.; and has further
issue 1 dau,
(2a) Eugenié Warre, b. 14.5.1983;

m. 3rd Chichester 30.11.1985, Sophia Teresa Meade-Fetherstonhaugh, b.
22.3.1954; 3rd & yst dau of Richard Meade-Fetherstonhaugh (grandson of
Richard Meade, 4th Earl of Clanwilliam), and Jean Falkner, and has
further issue 1 dau,
(3a) Theodora Warre, b. //.//.1986;

(2) Jonathan James Warre,b. Edensor House, Bakewell, Derbyshire
8.9.1944;

(3) George Dominic Mackintosh Warre, b. 49 Lowndes Sq., Belgravia
24.3.1949;
m. 1st 19.9.1981 (div.), Mary Ann Stewart-Richardson, b. 15.3.1961;
eldest dau of Brigadier Peter Neil Ralli Stewart-Richardson, of Creake
Abbey, North Creake, Norfolk (gr.son of Sir James Thomas
Stewart-Richardson, 14th Baronet), and Patricia Ann Lombe (Burke's LG).

m. 2nd //.//.1997 (engagement announced Times 13.12.1996), Camilla Jane
St. John Buxton, b. 19.6.1960; (m. 1st 1992, Edward Thomas Baxter, b.;)
eldest dau of Ronald Buxton, of Kimberley Hall, Wymondham, Norfolk
(g.g.gr.son of Sir Thomas Foweel Buxton, 1st Baronet), and his wife (&
3rd cousin once removed) Phyllida Buxton (gr.dau of Sir Victor Buxton,
4th Baronet), and has issue 1 dau,
Alice Miranda Mackintosh Warre, b. 19.12.1999;

[aplou...@hotmail.com]

And on a (sort) of related matter why did Arbell Mackintosh cease to be
30th Chief of Clan Chattan in 1942 (I presume at the time of her
marriage)?

Andrew Loughrey

[Shinjinee]

AHA! Thank you - so Eugenie Warre IS Angus's daughter. I wondered since
I had seen occasional pictures of her in Tatler. Now her half-sister
Theodora Warre is also around.

Shinjinee

[Shinjinee]

I read on one clan website that it was because she had assumed her
husband's name of Mrs John Warre (although he goes by Anthony, not
John). which was a non-clan name. The name of Mackintosh was what was
needed.

I don't pretend to know anything about Scottish clan chieftainships,
except that Lord Lyon has become strict about clan chiefs using their
clan surnames if they want to be recognized as chiefs. Since I read
the article a long time back, I don't remember who was recognized as
Chief of Clan Chattan in her place. I think that Clan Chattan had a
Mackintosh as its head (the two clans being united).

Thus some interesting name changes for certain peers
(Montagu-Douglas-Scott to Montagu Douglas Scott, with the last being
the official surname of the Duke of Buccleuch and his heir). A lack of
name changes for others (as in Douglas-Home) creates a mess - at least
two different peers - the Earl of Morton (Douglas) and the Earl of Home
(Douglas-Home) - are claiming chieftainship of the Douglas clan ,
although I don't think it has been a united clan for a very long time
beginning with the Red and Black Douglases). The patrilineal heir male
is the Duke of Hamilton, but he is also neither fish nor fowl, being a
Douglas-Hamilton, and thus unable to claim chieftainship of either
clan.

Shinjinee

[aplou...@hotmail.com]

I had suspected Arbell lost the Chieftainship because of the name
change on marriage, but other husbands (of Scottish peeresses or
landowner's) have changed/amended their surname's in similiar cases or
the eldest son has been registered in the mother's name at birth or
coming of age. Possibly Warre was unwilling to do so? Don't think
though than losing the Chieftainship affecting Arbell right to the
Mackintosh properties she already held & maybe still does.

Andrew

[Michael Rhodes]

Thanks very much for filling in the gaps here!

Michael