Vaughan/FitzRoy enagement

[Michael Rhodes]

The engagement was announced 21 March 2007 between Charles J. Vaughan,
son of Mr and Mrs Patrick Vaughan, of Courtfield, Herefordshire, and
the Lady Louise Helen Mary FitzRoy(b. 1973), eldest daughter of James
Oliver Charles FitzRoy, styled Earl of Euston (b. 13 Dec 1947), of
Euston, Suffolk, by his wife the former Lady Clare Amabel Margaret
Kerr (b. 1951).

The bride-to-be is a grandaughter paternally of the 11th Duke of
Grafton, KG, and a granddaughter maternally of the late 12th Marquess
of Lothian, KCVO.

Michael Rhodes (please delete the x to e-mail me)
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[bx...@yahoo.com]

Just another example of 21st century nobility. The granddaughter of
a duke AND a marquess becomes engaged to a guy totally unrelated to
any peerage, baronetage or landed gentry family. I guess it must be
true love!

Brooke
bx...@yahoo.com

On Mar 20, 11:29?pm, "Michael Rhodes"

[Michael Rhodes]

On 21 Mar, 19:51, "b...@yahoo.com" <b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Just another example of 21st century nobility. The granddaughter of
> a duke AND a marquess becomes engaged to a guy totally unrelated to
> any peerage, baronetage or landed gentry family. I guess it must be
> true love!
>
> Brooke
>

But Mr Vaughan could be the grandson maternally of a baronet, or the
great-grandson of a peer. I have an index of married names of peer's
daughters, but no list for baronet's daughters -

[Wilton]

On Mar 21, 3:51 pm, "b...@yahoo.com" <b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Just another example of 21st century nobility. The granddaughter of
> a duke AND a marquess becomes engaged to a guy totally unrelated to
> any peerage, baronetage or landed gentry family. I guess it must be
> true love!
>
> Brooke

> b...@yahoo.com

I'm afraid you're mistaken.Courtfield is the estate of the
bridegroom's parents so
they're very much landed gentry. You can find them in Burke's under
Vaughan of Courtfield.

[bx...@yahoo.com]

Thank goodness! My faith in the upper class has been restored!

Brooke
bx...@yahoo.com

[Michael Rhodes]

On 23 Mar, 20:00, "b...@yahoo.com" <b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thank goodness! My faith in the upper class has been restored!
>
> Brooke

Links to Vaughan of Courtfield pages, and a connection to a Prince of
the Roman Catholic Church, Cardinal Herbert Vaughan:-

http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/uv/vaughan01.htm#top

http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A060348b.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Vaughan

http://homepages.phonecoop.coop/waltking/FH/vaughan_of_courtfield.htm

Is this correct:-

6th Duke of Newcastle (1834-79) = Henrietta Adela Hope
I
Lady Beatrice Adelina Pelham-Clinton (d 1935) = Sir Cecil Lister-Kaye,
4th Bt (1854-1931)
I
Florence Lister-Kaye (b 1885) m 1908, Colonel Charles Jerome Vaughan,
of Courtfield
I
UNKKNOWN Vaughan, of Courtfield =
I
Patrick Vaughan, of Courtfield =
I
Charles J (Jerome??) Vaughan = Lady Louise FitzRoy

I

[Wilton]

On Mar 23, 9:34 pm, "Michael Rhodes" <migx73allenford2...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> Links to Vaughan of Courtfield pages, and a connection to a Prince of
> the Roman Catholic Church, Cardinal Herbert Vaughan:-

He was additionally Archbishop of Westminster 1892-1903 and Lord of
the Manors of Ruardean and Welsh Bicknor. He
was succeeded by his brother, Col. Francis Baynham Vaughan
(1844-1922).

>
> Is this correct:-
>
> 6th Duke of Newcastle (1834-79) = Henrietta Adela Hope
> I
> Lady Beatrice Adelina Pelham-Clinton (d 1935) = Sir Cecil Lister-Kaye,
> 4th Bt (1854-1931)
> I
> Florence Lister-Kaye (b 1885) m 1908, Colonel Charles Jerome Vaughan,
> of Courtfield
|

Joseph Herbert Vaughan of Courtfield (b 1910 d ?) = Mrs. Mary Holroyd-
Smyth Courtnay (L.G. of Ireland, Smyth of Ballynatray)
I
Patrick Vaughan, of Courtfield (b 1943) = Lorna Findlay

[Turenne]

>
>
>

Wilton wrote:

> > 6th Duke of Newcastle (1834-79) = Henrietta Adela Hope
> > I
> > Lady Beatrice Adelina Pelham-Clinton (d 1935) = Sir Cecil Lister-Kaye,
> > 4th Bt (1854-1931)
> > I
> > Florence Lister-Kaye (b 1885) m 1908, Colonel Charles Jerome Vaughan,
> > of Courtfield
>
> |
> Joseph Herbert Vaughan of Courtfield (b 1910 d ?) = Mrs. Mary Holroyd-
> Smyth Courtnay (L.G. of Ireland, Smyth of Ballynatray)
> I
> Patrick Vaughan, of Courtfield (b 1943) = Lorna Findlay
> I
> Charles J (Jerome??) Vaughan = Lady Louise FitzRoy

Brooke wrote:

>Thank goodness! My faith in the upper class has been restored!

There you are Brooke, there's always a duke there somewhere - you just
have to look! :)

Richard Lichten

[Shinjinee]

> There you are Brooke, there's always a duke there somewhere - you just
> have to look! :)
>
> Richard Lichten

Thank you for a good laugh this morning. Even if the fiance is not a
descendant of this line, he still has some impressive earlier
connections (check the Stirnet site out). How is he related to
Richard Vaughan of the same family, who made news in some article or
the other a while back?

Shinjinee

[Wilton]

On Mar 27, 11:55 pm, "Shinjinee" <ssen_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> How is he related to
> Richard Vaughan of the same family, who made news in some article or
> the other a while back?
>
> Shinjinee

I'm unaware of the story you're referring to but Richard Vaughan is
one of
Patrick Vaughan's younger twin brothers (b 1948).

[Shinjinee]

Ahh, thank you. He was described as a farmer in some story about Mill
Hill Missionaries and Courtfield. It was a long time back.

Shinjinee