Leigh Rayment's Website No Longer Online

[bx...@yahoo.com]

I just googled Leigh's website.

The website apparently no longer exists.

All of that wealth of information, gone.

Brooke

[Ind_Duke]

I guess there was somebody in this group who had taken an offline copy of the entire website. Does anybody have the copy?

[Ind_Duke]

See this thread: 

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/peerage-news/leigh$20rayment%7Csort:date/peerage-news/yzePkRnVQPg/xGRgdNvqCAAJ

On Thursday, March 12, 2020 at 4:51:33 PM UTC+5:30, bx...@yahoo.com wrote:

[James Harper]

Hi Brooke,

Go to the Wayback Machine website and copy and paste the URL. Then select a date to go back to. That way you’ll be able to retrieve most of the pages.

Nonetheless, I’d still support somebody republishing all of that data. Very sad that Leigh has passed on and all of that hard work should disappear from the current web!

I would love to lead the way on this myself but sadly I don’t have the time at the moment but if someone else is willing to host a site with the information, I promise I will contribute to updates and corrections, as I occasionally helped Leigh (particularly with historic MPs).

I have a list of new info that sadly never made it to Leigh, would be good to get it online somewhere.

Kind regards,
James

[bx...@yahoo.com]

Hi James.

Thanks for that information.

It would be wonderful if someone would be able to "recreate" what was on the website.

Seems a shame to have all that wealth of material just disappear.

Brooke

[David Gabriel]

I downloaded all of pages just after I heard he died.

[Nick Kingsley]

I have taken a copy of almost all of the website. If anyone needs a look-up please let me know.

I am considering whether I can make the information available online again and commit to maintaining it, and would welcome views on how useful this would be.

Nick Kingsley

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[bx...@yahoo.com]

Hi Nick.

Speaking for myself, although I am sure there are others who likely feel this way, I think that would be wonderful.

Leigh's website had information that couldn't be found anywhere else.

I really hope you will do it and if so, please let us know.

Thanks very much!

Brooke

On Thursday, March 12, 2020 at 7:21:33 AM UTC-4, bx...@yahoo.com wrote:

[Nick Kingsley]

It looks to me as though there will be significant technical challenges in the way of re-publishing Leigh Rayment's data without rekeying all the data. If anyone is more computer-savvy than me and would like to have a go and exporting it in a republishable form, I would be very happy to send them the data I hold on a memory stick. It looks as though the data was originally input into an Excel spreadsheet from which HTML output was derived. What I hold now is a mix of HTML pages and Word files containing unformatted text.

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[Sarah Rawlings]

Can someone let me have the data from Leigh Rayment’s website and I will add to the SCB Website.  Is that possible from your end? 

 

Can come in stick form and I will give to the web designers. 

 

Would that be of any help?

 

Sarah

 

Secretary Standing Council of The Baronetage

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[William]

If that approach is taken, perhaps his widow could hand over his domain to Nick or to SCB rather than inter muddle the two sites.
Either way it is an invaluable site and I question whether Nick would not be the better person to keep it up to date.

[dpth...@gmail.com]

I hope someone will do it. I have already many hundreds of pages on my site and it would be too cumbersome for me to manage.

Whoever does it will, I hope, contact Mrs Rayment for her permission, if the pages are to be posted verbatim. I suspect that she would happily agree. She did notify me when he died, but I don't any longer have her address, but others here may have it.

[Ind_Duke]

Can you share the link to your site please? 

[Sarah Rawlings]

If I can be sent the data from Leigh Rayment's website, I can endeavour to have it put on the SCB Website if that is a helpful option?  

Sarah

Secretary SCB

[dpth...@gmail.com]

Main page

http://www.angelfire.com/realm/gotha/index.html

An Online Gotha page, including most British ducal families and branches thereof:

http://www.angelfire.com/realm/gotha/gotha/gotha.htm

A Supplementary page with many more British noble families, as well as some Continental ones:

http://www.angelfire.com/realm/gotha/gotha/gotha4.html

[www.maltagenealogy.com]

I didn't realise Leigh managed that site too !!

I would not mine taking the site over and having it in Leigh's memory. But how does one make contact with his widow to obtain the register key to be able to transfer the data ??

[dpth...@gmail.com]

no.. that;s my site, Perhaps I misunderstood but I thought someone asked for the link to my site in this chain of postings.

[www.maltagenealogy.com]

I thoughtso.

In the mean time, anyone who has contact details to Leigh's widow for access to register keys to his website is appreciated. Though importantly, his widow knowing the site can stay alive would be perhaps a good idea.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200209205451/http://www.leighrayment.com/

[William]

I recommend we ask his widow to give the site.to wikitree.com (in...@wikitree.com), a subsidiary of interesting.com, provided that both corporates will not operate the leighrayment part of their site as a profit centre, thereby enabling them to upload data relating to current MPs, Peers, Baronets Etc (which in turn will them to avoid GDPR restrictions). The advantage of going down. this route is that they will appoint a team of people who will collectively take responsibility for keeping the leighrayment project”:up to date. I am sure they will agree.

Leigh Rayment’s widow should be. Reachable through godaddy.com according. to Whois.com

[Nick Kingsley]

Sarah,

That would be excellent. To what address should I send it?

Nick Kingsley

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[Sarah Rawlings]

Am I now going to publish my email address worldwide!!!

 

Better send it to secr...@baronetage.org

 

I will then take it from there.  Might not be instant but probably a good place for all who wish to look to see the detail. 

 

Have also received from another kind source. 

 

Sarah

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[www.maltagenealogy.com]

My host server has managed to obtain the registry and its files.

It will then move them to a new site, as a subdomain of Maltagenealogy.com  Leigh will be the key the the site in memorial. Hopefully to be up and ready by early next week. 

[Nick Kingsley]

I actually meant a snail-mail address but if you have the data from another source do you want to see what can be done with that before taking any further steps? 

Nick

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[www.maltagenealogy.com]

Now accessible at https://www.maltagenealogy.com/LeighRayment/

Some changes will occur in due course and updates.

[James Harper]

Bravo! Looks great.

I have some changes I was due to send to Leigh over historical MPs. Where should I submit these to in future?

[Ind_Duke]

Hurrah!! Thanks a lot!

[www.maltagenealogy.com]

Changes and updates indeed, though i have cut out a couple sections. Focusing on the Baronetage and peerages at best.

Orders are still there.  The site is a good year behind and good timing in the coming week or two to update it.

[bx...@yahoo.com]

Wow! Wow! Wow!

From my first post about this situation to the "resurrection" of Leigh's site, 10 days.

Unbelievable!

The internet at its finest.

Thanks to all those involved, especially maltagenealogy.com.

Major kudos!

[Sarah Rawlings]

Nick

I can give you my address, it is on the SCB website.  I am happy to proceed but one or two of this group may not think my option is the correct one.  I would be depositing the data, but may not update regularly as I already have 3 data bases to maintain.  Just let me know.  Happy to try to assist but there may be a better solution for you all.  

Sarah

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[Jonathan]

On Sunday, 22 March 2020 00:39:53 UTC, www.maltagenealogy.com wrote:

Now accessible at https://www.maltagenealogy.com/LeighRayment/

Some changes will occur in due course and updates.

First of all, excellent work, my thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread, and particular www.maltagenealogy.com for their hard work.

I would, however, still like to see Leigh's site restored at its original domain name, and preferably maintained. Not only because it's an extremely useful resource, but also in Leigh's memory.

I would think there are also intellectual property issues with simply pasting the whole site in a new location, which strictly speaking needs permission from his estate.

I found this in a thread from February 2019:

On Saturday, 23 February 2019 02:19:06 UTC, dpth...@gmail.com wrote:

    I received the below email just now. I do not know why it was sent to me, and not the group, since I have never had any contact with Mr. Rayment (though I am aware of impressive body of work). Since no simliar announcement seems to have been made in the group, I thought that I'd better post it. I suspect that she found a posting, and then clicked "reply directly to ember" instead of "reply to group".

    "I am very saddened to have to inform you of the death of my dear husband Leigh on 1st February 2019.  He had an operation for a knee replacement on 3rd Dec 2018 but complications arose and he did not recover.  I am so sorry it has taken me until now to give you this news but only now am I able to peruse his emails and inform his correspondents.  If I may ask, should you know of any other correspondents on Leigh's peerage website that would need to know of Leigh's death my family and I would be very grateful if you could pass on our sad news.

    Should you wish to get in touch my email address is:  jean_ray****@yahoo.com

    Kindest regards........................Jean Rayment"

So there we have the e-mail address of Leigh's widow (it's her name with an underscore, nothing additional). I don't know whether anyone fancies dropping Mrs Rayment a sensitively worded e-mail explaining how much Leigh and his site meant to many of us, and that we would love to ensure the information he compiled lives on.

If we could obtain the raw data (there was a suggestion that the website is built from another data source) I would be happy to assist with any necessary scripting or web coding, of which I have reasonable knowledge. I would also be happy to pay part of the fee for domain registration and web hosting. (It must be a group effort to ensure it's maintained in perpetuity.)

The advantages of having at least redirects from the original domain name are that any links would be restored. For example, very many Wikipedia pages refer to Leigh's page, and are currently broken.

I would be happy to hear other people's thoughts on this.

[www.maltagenealogy.com]

I did try to contact his widow without any luck. Secondly, if his estate were to restore the old website, happy to take it down.

It will remain to his honour and also happy to add a memorial for him if anyone can send that to me.

At this stage it is in the same format as prior but with Maltagenealogy.com/

[Jonathan]

Thanks again for your hard work. It's good that the site is back online in some form. If the domain name becomes available for re-registration and one of us gets hold of it, we can set up redirects to your site so that links to Leigh's site work again.

[Nick Kingsley]

Sarah,

Having looked at the pages on maltagenealogy, I think the majority of the job has been done for us! I will however retain the data for the time being.

Thanks for your offer of help.

Nick

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[Nick Kingsley]

Many thanks for getting this data back online. A real service to our community!

Nick

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 12:39 AM www.maltagenealogy.com <tancar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Now accessible at https://www.maltagenealogy.com/LeighRayment/

Some changes will occur in due course and updates.

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[David Gabriel]

I am now little confused. Will it now remain on maltageneaology or not? 

[www.maltagenealogy.com]

As long as the estate of Leigh do not object.

It will stay much the same in Leigh's honour.

[Ind_Duke]

Hey, I thought regarding the updates to Leigh Rayment' site, we could use this discussion as a means of pointing out any corrections and updates to the peerage records. We could all note the updates here and maltagenealogy could make the changes to the page. I have noted the following updates.

1) Peerage records section -  Viscount Falmouth is now a centenarian and needs to be listed.

2) Baronetage introduction section - Longest held baronetcies -  Michael Bernard Grenville Oppenheimer, 3rd baronet has died and the exact duration of his term needs to be updated. 

3) In the historically longest serving section of both the peerage and the baronetage, the duration of the terms needs to be updated.

[William]

How does it honour LeIgh to fail To keep it u to o date.?

[www.maltagenealogy.com]

Hi there,

Yes it is something I am still trying to work on with updates. 

[www.maltagenealogy.com]

All new Peers added..

Now this coming week will be working from last January 2019 to current all dead peers and Baronets and heirs.

[colinp]

I wonder if access to Leigh's website has now been lost through Wayback machine?  A while ago I embarked on a project to bring Leigh's listing of knights and privy counsellors up to date - this is the part of the website that hasn't been transferred to maltagenealogy's site.  On going into the archived website on Wayback Machine today it seems now to be "parked for free" by "Godaddy.com" and as far as I can tell ( I am not particularly IT literate) one has to take out a subscription to access the website.  Is this right or am I missing something obvious?  Is there an alternative way of viewing Leigh's website as it was before it went down?

[dpth...@gmail.com]

all seems available to me. Here's a snapshot of it from 10-24-19 https://web.archive.org/web/20191024165310/http://leighrayment.com/

[colinp]

Thank you, Colin

[colinp]

In fact the only page that doesn't open for me (and which I have been unable to save because it just sends me to the "godaddy" site) is the Honorary Knights and Dames (under "Knights and Dames since 1837").  If anyone has saved this page and can either link the saved page here or perhaps email it to me that would be very helpful

On Thursday, 12 March 2020 11:21:33 UTC, bx...@yahoo.com wrote:

[dpth...@gmail.com]

try this page https://web.archive.org/web/20181013154841/http://www.leighrayment.com/knights/knightshon.htm

It's from an archive from 11-5-18, though the page itself purports to be updated 11-10-18

[dpth...@gmail.com]

When using the Wayback machine (web.erchive.org) you are usually given many different choices of dates. If the archive from one date doesn't have what you want, try another date.. which is how I found the 11-5-18 archive. I got the same godaddy page as Colin when using the link I posted a while ag.

[Richard R]

HI Colin

I've emailed something to you.

RIchard

[colinp]

Many thanks to Paul and Richard for your help

[colinp]

Leigh Rayment's complete website can also be found here -  Leigh Rayment's Pages (ukelections.info)

It looks as if the host of the website may have been keeping the MPs' pages up to date

[https:/www.maltagenealogy.com/LeighRayment/]

Sadly I haven't been keeping up-to-date on the MP's pages and a number of other pages. I ve only manage to keep up to date with Baronets and Peerages. I am always happy for any advice via email.

I am trying my best to obtain the former website back to at least give it the originality.  So far no luck.

[S. S.]

Helen Belcher has done rather a fantastic job updating the MPs, MEPs etc pages rather well. Also quite a few of the offices and titles are now hyperlinked, so it makes navigating from one point to another rather easy. The same for the representative peers' lists. 

S.S.