George Silver Oliver Annesley Colthurst (1931-2008)

[Michael Rhodes]

George Silver Oliver Annesley Colthurst, who died in France, 16 Aug
2008, was a scion of the Colthurst Baronets (cr 1744, Ireland). He was
b 1931, a yr son of Sir Richard Colthurst, 8th Baronet, High Sheriff
of Co Dublin 1920-21, and was a yr brother of Sir Richard, 9th Bt;
educated at Harrow & Trinity College, Cambridge (MA); Career:- 2nd
Lieut, Grenadier Guards; Member of the London Stock Exchange; Partner
in de Zoete & Bevan 1961-81; Liveryman, Goldsmiths' Co, Member of the
Court of Common Council (Broad Street Ward) 1976-80; married (i) 1959
(div 1966), the Hon Elizabeth Sophia Sidney, dau of the 1st Viscount
De L'Isle, VC, KG, GCMG, GCVO; married (ii) 1968, Caroline Romaine
Combe, scion of that LG family, dau of Cdr Anthony Boyce Combe
(descended from the Farquhar Barronets); and leaves issue from the 1st
marriage, Shaunagh (b 1961); and issue from the 2nd marriage, Romaine
(b 1969) and Rowena (b 1971) and grandchildren, Elizabeth, Harry and
Georgiana. Cremation was held privately. Memorial Service will be held
at Pitchford, Shropshire on October 18th 2008.

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[Shinjinee]

On Aug 22, 4:50 pm, Michael Rhodes <migx73allenford2...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

His eldest daughter, married twice, is now Lady Latymer.
See http://thepeerage.com/p4628.htm#i46275

For his ex-wife's second husband (she has been married four times),
see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humphrey_Wakefield,_2nd_Baronet

Shinjinee

[JonnyK]

His second wife, Caroline Romaine Combe, is a niece of Romaine Combe
(1916-1951), daughter of Major Boyce Combe, who married Robin, 8th
Marquess of Londonderry (1902-1955).

As far as I am aware, the present baronet is still at the family seat,
Blarney Castle, Co Cork (the old castle, with the eponymous stone, has
been superseded for some time by a 'new' Blarney Castle in the
grounds, designed by Sir Charles Lanyon).

[Shinjinee]

Issue from the second marriage

>and issue from the 2nd marriage, Romaine
>(b 1969) and Rowena (b 1971) and grandchildren, Elizabeth, Harry and
>Georgiana. Cremation was held privately. Memorial Service

Romaine is now wife of James Nason, younger son of Colonel and Mrs Ian
Nason, of Boad
Chalke, Wilts. Their daughter Georgiana Eleanor Nason (b. 8 April
2005)

http://groups.google.com/group/Peerage-News/browse_thread/thread/aa23eabfa30e3e90/f04cf671496e2211

The two elder grandchildren - Elizabeth and Harry - are Heneages, by
Shanaugh Latymer's first marriage.



Family Connections
----------------------------


The Combes are certainly a well-connected family.

Two women became Marchionesses - Gladys, Marchioness of Donegal and
Romaine, Marchioness of Londonderry (mother of the present Marquess
and Lady Annabel Goldsmith, and the eldest Jane, Lady Rayne).
[from Theroff] Gladys Jean Combe (1900-1999); m.24 Apr 1943 (div 1968)
Edward Arthur Donald St.George Hamilton Chichester, 6th Marquess of
Donegall (7 Oct 1903-24 May 1975); no issue

Combes also married into the Kilmorey earldom (a Combe was mother of
the 5th Earl), the Conyngham family (daughter of a marquess married a
Combe) etc.
http://www.william1.co.uk/t11.htm
"Constance Augusta Conyngham, Lady, + 1941, Md. 1881, Richard Combe, *
1859, + 1939, s. of Richard Henry Combe, of Pierrepont, Surrey."
Their descendant was 5th Earl of Kilmorey, father of the present earl
who doesn't use his title.

A general from this branch, related to the Marquesses Conyngham and
married into the ducal Seymours.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Frederick_Boyce_Combe
John Frederick Boyce Combe (1895-1967); 2nd husband of Helen St. Maur,
niece of the 15th Duke of Somerset
http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/gotha/somerset.html

The branch which is mentioned here is not listed on this page - a
different branch's history
http://www.brabazonarchive.com/Pages/Combe%20History.htm
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=URGZQa6NeiAC&pg=PA941&lpg=PA941&dq=%22Boyce+Combe%22&source=web&ots=zDLeq8eQh1&sig=C7Y5yhTdCX-q5zT3jWl3hkKRmco&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

This branch (from Theroff's files)
2.2.7.1.5.1.1.2.5.Lady Jane Conyngham (1860-30 Oct 1941); m.26 Jul
1883 Christian Combe, of Strathconon (19 Feb 1858-11 Oct 1949)

2.2.7.1.5.1.1.2.5.1.Henry Christian Seymour Combe (28 Feb 1890-12 Mar
1952); m.30 Nov 1920 Lady Moira Scott (1902-26 Mar 1964) -> issue


2.2.7.1.5.1.1.2.5.2.John Frederick Boyce Combe (1 Aug 1895-12 Jul
1967); m.21 Jul 1947 Helen Violet St.Maur (1900-1975***) [father was
Lord Percy St Maur]

2.2.7.1.5.1.1.2.5.3.Winifred Phyllis Combe (1891-6 Apr 1961); m.1st 9
Apr 1918 (div 1921) Robert Lambert Dunville (1893- ); m.2d 27 Apr
1922 Hon Francis Nathaniel Curzon (1865-1941) [parents of the 3rd
Viscount Scarsdale d. 2000; grandparents of the 4th Viscount and his
half-brother and heir presumptive]


Major Boyce Combe, of Farnham, Surrey
----------------------------------------------------------
Major Boyce Combe of Farnham, Surrey, apparently the 4th son of
Richard Henry Combe (1829-1900) and his wife Esther Fanny Hollway
(1835-1908), and yr brother of the Richard Combe who married Lady
Constance Conyngham, had particularly well-connected children: His
wife according to one website was Mabel Tombs

1. Anthony Boyce Combe (1900-1990), whose second daughter Caroline
Romaine Combe is the widow of Mr Colthurst.
http://thepeerage.com/p7357.htm#i73565
http://www.geneall.net/U/per_page.php?id=100560
http://www.william1.co.uk/t11.htm
His second wife Lady Mary Esther Constance Needham (b. 1918) [sister
of the 5th Earl of Kilmorey] was also a cousin, as daughter of Blanche
Esther Combe, herself daughter of Richard Combe (1859-1939), himself
son of Richard Henry Combe, of Pierrepont, Surrey.

2. Romaine Combe (d. 1951), who became Marchioness of Londonderry.

3. Simon Harvey Combe (1903/1917-1 April 1965) married Lady Silvia
Beatrice Coke (1909-Oct 2005), of the earls of Leicester
http://groups.google.com/group/Peerage-News/browse_thread/thread/8ad39fe92167db1d/8b5851abdf6363b9
http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/person.asp?LinkID=mp78473

Is he the same Boyce Combe listed here?
http://fifeshireirelands.familytreeguide.com/getperson.php?personID=I05350&tree=1&PHPSESSID=49a7c8ed50cb7cb319a2ab61d9f4304f

Apparent lineage
-----------------------

Harvey Christian Combe, Lord Mayor of London md his cousin Alice
Christian Combe

[2nd son] Boyce Combe md Caroline Jones, a Welsh heiress

Richard Henry Combe (1829-1900) md 3 June 1857 [http://www.geneall.net/
U/per_page.php?id=985975] Esther Fanny Hollway (1835-1908)

[2nd son] [4th
son]
Christian Combe Major Boyce
Combe
md Lady Constance Conyngham md Mabel Tombs

Blanche Esther Combe Romaine
Combe Anthony Simon (d. 1965)
md Hon. Francis Needham md Marquess of
Londonderry md (2) md Lady Silvia Coke


Shinjinee


Sources:
Dates for Richard and Esther Combe: http://www.frenshamchurches.org.uk/monumentalinscriptions.htm
Ancestor Sir Harvey Christian Combe (1752-1818), Lord Mayor of London
1799: http://www.danbyrnes.com.au/merchants/merchants9a.htm
http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/person.asp?LinkID=mp61848
Cobham Park owned by family 1806-1980ss : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobham_Park
http://andywebber.com/cobhampark/ [extracted]
"In 1806, Downe Place was purchased by Harvey Christian Combe, a
brewer, for £30,000. Harvey died in 1818 and left the house to his
son, Harvey who died in 1857. The house was to have been extended by
nephew Charles Combe by adding wings to either side. However the house
was destroyed by fire in the early 1870's...The Combe family gave up
Cobham Park as a family residence in the 1930's, Charles Combe having
moved to Pains Hill in 1904. "

More information:
Burke's entry: http://www.burkes-peerage.net/familyhomepage.aspx?FID=0&FN=Combe1-154


Question:

Why wasn't Combe made a baronet? Or wasn't this the norm at the time?

On Aug 22, 4:50 pm, Michael Rhodes <migx73allenford2...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> George Silver Oliver Annesley Colthurst, who died in France, 16 Aug
> 2008, was a scion of the Colthurst Baronets (cr 1744, Ireland). He was
> b 1931, a yr son of Sir Richard Colthurst, 8th Baronet, High Sheriff
> of Co Dublin 1920-21, and was a yr brother of Sir Richard, 9th Bt;
> educated at Harrow & Trinity College, Cambridge (MA); Career:- 2nd
> Lieut, Grenadier Guards; Member of the London Stock Exchange; Partner
> in de Zoete & Bevan 1961-81; Liveryman, Goldsmiths' Co, Member of the
> Court of Common Council (Broad Street Ward) 1976-80; married (i) 1959
> (div 1966), the Hon Elizabeth Sophia Sidney, dau of the 1st Viscount

> De L'Isle, VC, KG, GCMG, GCVO; married (ii) 1968, Caroline RomaineCombe, scion of that LG family, dau of Cdr Anthony BoyceCombe

[JonnyK]

If I remember correctly, Annabel Goldsmith in her recent memoirs
mentions that her Londonderry grandparents didn't at first approve of
Romaine. They apparently had floated "several infantas" and the like
in front of him, only for him to go for "little Miss Combe from
Farnham" whose father was a brewer.

I don't know anything about the Combes, but even if he was in brewing
I don't see why, as Shinjinee suggests, his family could not have been
elevated to the "beerage" like the Guinnesses for example. The
Guinnesses were very philanthropic, socialites and involved in
politics, however...