The 7th Baron Sandys 1931-2013

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Michael Rhodes

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Feb 27, 2013, 2:06:05 AM2/27/13
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_.Lord Sandys, the 7th Baron, sometime Deputy Chief Whip in the House of Lords (Captain of the Yeoman of the Guard) in the administration of Margaret Thatcher, died at his home, 11 February, 2013. He was 81. Richard Michael Oliver Hill was born 21 July, 1931, descends from Mary Sandys, wife of the 2nd Marquess of Downshire, who was raised to the peerage of the UK in 1802, as Baroness Sandys, with a special remainder allowing the title to pass, on her demise, to her second son. Lord Sandys was a son of Arthur, 6th Baron (1876-1961), by his wife (and 3rd cousin) the former Cynthia Trench-Gascoigne (d 1990), and he succeeded to the peerage on his father's death, 24 Nov, 1961. Lord Sandys was appointed a Lord in Waiting in 1974, was a Tory Whip in the Upper House 1974-9, then Deputy Chief Whip and Captain of the Yeomen of the Guard, 1979-83.  He never married. The barony now devolves, under the terms of the special remainder, to his distant cousin, the 9th Marquess of Downshire (who was born 4 Feb, 1959).


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marquess

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Feb 27, 2013, 5:28:32 AM2/27/13
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Does anyone know what will happen to the late baron's family seat? I know that the Downshires really don't have a seat as such.

Michael Rhodes

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Feb 27, 2013, 5:38:26 AM2/27/13
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Did the Downshires quit Clifton Castle at Ripon on the demise of the late marquess?

LoopyCrown3

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Feb 27, 2013, 5:40:40 AM2/27/13
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Ombersley Court

Who will inherit Ombersley Court the Family Seat will it be The Marquess of Downshire or Lord Sandys sister Hon. Cynthia Meriel Hill who married Mr Charles Talbot Rhys Wingfield and has Issue by that marriage. According to English Heritage Lord Sandys owed an important collection of Paintings and Furnishings at Ombersley. Following death of Lord Sandys and succession of The Marquess of Downshire the titles heir is Edmund Robin Arthur Hill, Earl of Hillsborough b 21 May 1996 so if Ombersley is inherited by the Marquess would it be given to Edmund as his residence whilst his farther is Marquess. Also does the Ombersley estate pass with the title it’s about 2500 acres.

Michael Rhodes

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Feb 27, 2013, 6:46:52 AM2/27/13
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marquess

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Feb 27, 2013, 6:27:20 PM2/27/13
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I believe that the answer is yes from what I read in the late marquis' obituary in the Telegraph, as to the Sandys family seat who knows, if the correct arrangements have not been made then 40% of it will disappear in tax to the exchequer.

Laurence

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Feb 28, 2013, 12:42:38 PM2/28/13
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Lord Sandys married Patricia Lionel Hall in 1961. She survives him.
They had no children.

Nick Kingsley

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Mar 2, 2013, 1:53:55 AM3/2/13
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Does anyone know whether Ombersley Hall in Worcestershire will pass with the title or whether Lord Sandys had closer female relatives to whom it is likely to pass?

 

Nick

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Nick Kingsley

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Mar 2, 2013, 2:20:17 AM3/2/13
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Sorry – I now see this question has been asked before.  No doubt the late Baron’s widow will retain the Hall for the time being.

 

Nick

Nick Kingsley

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Mar 2, 2013, 2:35:16 AM3/2/13
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Members of this newsgroup may be interested in my new blog: http://www.landedfamilies.blogspot.co.uk/

 

I will be using the blog to publish my research on the connections between the landed families of Britain and Ireland and their country houses, and I am particularly keen to encourage public contributions and corrections (through comments on the blog or via this newsgroup or by direct email).  In addition to commenting on what I have already written, I will provide on the site a list of the families I am going to write about next, in the hope of encouraging contributions in advance.

 

My early posts have been on the following families:

·         Abadam of Middleton Hall (Carmarthenshire)

·         Abbot of Kidbrooke Park (Sussex), Barons Colchester

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Forthcoming posts will be on:

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·         Abney (later Abney-Hastings) of Willesley (Leics)

·         Acheson of Gosford Castle (Armagh), Earls of Gosford

·         Achmuty of Brianstown (Longford)

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·         Ackers of Huntley Manor and formerly of Prinknash Abbey (Glos)

 

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Richard R

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Mar 2, 2013, 3:37:14 AM3/2/13
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Hi Nick
I think you have an exvellent site. The images are very interesting and bring the stories of the familiies to life. Please do post requests for help to this site. You'll know we're a very helpful lot and eager to share any knowledge we may have.

Nick Kingsley

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Mar 2, 2013, 6:56:08 AM3/2/13
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Thank you, Richard.  I shall certainly be calling on the collective wisdom!

 

Nick

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Paul Theroff

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Mar 2, 2013, 7:40:34 AM3/2/13
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Turenne

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Mar 3, 2013, 1:18:05 PM3/3/13
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Members of this newsgroup may be interested in my new blog: http://www.landedfamilies.blogspot.co.uk/

 

Well done Nick; great site!

RL 

Nick Kingsley

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Mar 3, 2013, 1:26:47 PM3/3/13
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Thanks: there’s a new post today on the Abneys of Measham Hall (Leics).

 

I won’t irritate everyone by posting here every time a new post goes up on the blog, but I am sending update posts via my Twitter feed, so if anyone wants such alerts, please just follow me on Twitter: @NicholasKingsle (with no ‘y’ on the surname)

 

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Andy Hatchett

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Mar 3, 2013, 5:39:00 PM3/3/13
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Nick,
 
You might think about a monthly recap posted here. I wouldn't think a once a month posting will overburden things
 
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Nick Kingsley

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Mar 4, 2013, 1:25:16 AM3/4/13
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Thanks – a good idea.

 

Nick

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