Crichton-Stuart/Daniels engagement

[Michael Rhodes]

_.The engagement was announced 2 Nov 2008, between William Henry
Crichton-Stuart (b 1971), scion of the Marquesses of Bute (Marquess GB
1796), eldest son of the late Lord James Charles Crichton-Stuart (b
1935 d 1982) and of Mrs Anna-Rose Knatchbull- Hugessen, of Ropley,
Hampshire, and Susan J. Daniels, daughter of Mr Robert Daniels, of
Johannesburg, and Mrs Claire Whitburn, of Knysna, South Africa.

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[Michael Rhodes]

Typo The engagement was announced on the 12th

On 12 Nov, 01:15, Michael Rhodes <mig73allenford2...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

[marquess]

Nice to see that Debretts 2008 shows the heir to the marquisate as
being styled Earl of Dumfries rather than Lord Mountstuart.

On 11 Nov, 13:18, Michael Rhodes <mig73allenford2...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

[Richard R]

Yes. The present Marquess made his name as a racing driver as Johnny
Dumfries and decided, upon his succession in 1993, that his heir,
John, should take the Mountstuart courtesy title - to avoid confusion
with the Marquess' racing past. The heir came of age (ie 18) last year
and enough time has elapsed to allow the heir to use the earldom
without being linked to his father's past.

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[marquess]

Well he could have been known as the earl of windsor instead of
dumfries, I think that with the recent sale of the house of that name,
might have some thing to do with it too. Unless of course you are in
personal contact with the marquis?

[Richard R]

I'm aware of the Marquess' reason for doing this and it's as I stated.
At the time of the decision, the heir was an infant and would have
been completely oblivious to the inferences peerage pundits might have
put on the decision! Mountstuart has been used as a courtesy sytle by
the family in the past and hence there's family historical reasons for
using it again. Although interestingly they ASSUMED the style Viscount
Mount-Stuart on previous occasions. I suggest they may well have not
gone for Windsor to avoid confusion with the Earl of Plymouth's heir
(the style is Viscount Windsor, but he's referred to of course as Lord
Windsor).

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[marquess]

And their earldom thereof is of a superior date to the viscountcy of
Windsor. Anyway nice to see the Dumfries earldom in use again.

[Richard R]

Lord Plymouth's heir has been Lord Windsor since he was born in 1951
so it would have been most ignoble of the Butes to expect him to
relinquish the title in his forties - not, I'm sure, that they ever
entertained such a notion. Noblesse Oblige and all that.

[Croft]

But the barony of Windsor is available to the Plymouth heir and
certainly superior at 1529.

On 13 Nov, 14:00, marquess <marquessmarqu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: