Trotter/Scott nuptials

[Michael Rhodes]

_.The marriage took place 28 May, 2011, at Holy Trinity Church, Melrose, between Rupert T. Trotter, scion of that landed family, youngest son of Maj and Mrs Alexander Trotter, of
Charterhall, Duns, and the Lady Louisa Jane Therese Montagu Douglas Scott (b 1982), eldest daughter of the 10th Duke of Buccleuch & Queensberry (b 14 Feb 1954), by his wife the former Lady Elizabeth Frances Marian Kerr, sister of the Marquess of Lothian, &c.

-==-

[Shinjinee]

A good marriage. References to the prospective groom on Google bring
up a Rupert James Trotter b. 1977, son of Alexander and Julia Trotter,
and elder brother of Henry and Edward)
http://www.geni.com/people/Rupert-Trotter/6000000010155809551
BTW he is 34 at best, not 38.

Parents:
Alexander Trotter, 14th of Mortonhall, and 5th of Charterhall, Duns (b
1939) and Julia Henrietta, nee Greenwell (b. 1945), d. of Sir Peter
McClintock Greenwell, 3rd Baronet & his wife

Grandparents
Maj. Henry Redvers Trotter, 13th of Mortonhall (1902-) and his wife
Rona Margaret, nee Murray (d.)

Great-grandparents
Colonel Algernon Trotter, DSO, MVO, 12th of Mortonhall (1870-) and his
wife Lady Edith Mary, nee Montgomery, d. of Earl of Eglinton & Winton
(d. 1947)

Presumably the same man who pops up on Facebook and LinkedIn

The engagement was announced on 7 October 2010
https://groups.google.com/group/peerage-news/browse_thread/thread/6a69979bcdcaa3a5/2be87817c8e99fa1?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Trotter#2be87817c8e99fa1

According to this, the couple are distant cousins, but the descent
wasn't posted.

End of that part


A different Rupert Trotter, who may or may not fit into the family
tree (not found among the brothers and sons of the immediate
ancestors):

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/you-can-pick-up-more-than-a-pint-rosie-millard-visits-a-bar-where-the-spirit-of-the-eighties-lives-on-1466533.html
"Rupert Trotter, a 23-year-old Old Harrovian broker with Kleinwort
Benson" [1993] therefore 41 years old. and not the same Rupert Trotter
who married Lady Louisa Trotter

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/columnists/article-390776/Is-fuse-lit-Brocket-fireworks.html
Lord Brocket's half brother is another Rupert Trotter, brother of a
David Trotter who didn't attend the peer's ex-marriage in 2006


Shinjinee

On May 30, 3:05 pm, Michael Rhodes <mig73allenford2...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

[Shinjinee]

On May 31, 3:00 pm, Shinjinee <ssenpub...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A good marriage.  References to the prospective groom on Google bring
> up a Rupert James Trotter b. 1977, son of Alexander and Julia Trotter,

> and elder brother of Henry and Edward)http://www.geni.com/people/Rupert-Trotter/6000000010155809551

> BTW he is 34 at best, not 38.
>

Correction, he is the youngest son.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~trotter/trotter_of_mortonhall.htm

His eldest brother Henry (b. 1972) married 2007/2008 (engaged Nov
2007) Catherine Cameron, a daughter of a head of another Scottish
clan, and has a son and a daughter.
http://www.thepeerage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1967&sid=6b2f7c442ad574325513f729507083b5

Other sources on the family
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/nation/trotter.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Trotter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortonhall
http://british-miniatures2.blogspot.com/2008/07/thomson-william-john-portrait-of.html

[Michael Rhodes]

__The announcement in the Press describe the bride as 'Lady Louisa Montagu Douglas Scott' but I see that her father has abandoned the surnames of Montagu and Douglas.

[JonnyK]

How intriguing, where did you learn that the duke has abandoned his
other surnames?

On May 31, 11:15 am, Michael Rhodes <mig73allenford2...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

[Michael Rhodes]

Cracroft's Peerage: Richard John Walter [Montagu-Douglas-Scott later Scott], 10th Duke of Buccleuch, KBE DL

[Turenne]

On 31 May, 21:39, Michael Rhodes <mig73allenford2...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
> Cracroft's Peerage: R*ichard John Walter [Montagu-Douglas-Scott later Scott],
> 10th Duke of Buccleuch, KBE DL*

Did he drop the the 'Montagu-Douglas-' so that he could assume the
chieftainship of the Clan Scott? I understand that the Standing
Council of Clan Chiefs aren't too thrilled with hyphens.

Richard L

[JonnyK]

How extraordinary! It rather attempts to erase a significant part of
the family history does it not?

[Olivier]

On May 31, 12:00 pm, Shinjinee <ssenpub...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A good marriage.  References to the prospective groom on Google bring
> up a Rupert James Trotter b. 1977, son of Alexander and Julia Trotter,

> and elder brother of Henry and Edward)http://www.geni.com/people/Rupert-Trotter/6000000010155809551

> BTW he is 34 at best, not 38.
>
> Parents:
> Alexander Trotter, 14th of Mortonhall, and 5th of Charterhall, Duns (b
> 1939) and Julia Henrietta, nee Greenwell (b. 1945), d. of Sir Peter
> McClintock Greenwell, 3rd Baronet & his wife
>
> Grandparents
> Maj. Henry Redvers Trotter, 13th of Mortonhall (1902-) and his wife
> Rona Margaret, nee Murray (d.)
>
> Great-grandparents
> Colonel Algernon Trotter, DSO, MVO, 12th of Mortonhall (1870-) and his
> wife Lady Edith Mary, nee Montgomery, d. of Earl of Eglinton & Winton
> (d. 1947)
>
> Presumably the same man who pops up on Facebook and LinkedIn
>

> The engagement was announced on 7 October 2010https://groups.google.com/group/peerage-news/browse_thread/thread/6a6...

>
> According to this, the couple are distant cousins, but the descent
> wasn't posted.
>
> End of that part

Louisa Montagu-Douglas-Scott is a 7th cousin of Rupert Trotter.

Indeed, Alexander Gordon, Duke of Gordon (1 743-1827) and his wife
Jane Maxwell (1748-1812) are at the same time
ancestors of the 8th generation of Rupert Trotter
ancestors of the 8th generation of Louisa Montagu-Douglas-Scott

[Turenne]

Jonny K wrote:

>How extraordinary! It rather attempts to erase a significant part of
>the family history does it not?

As far as I can see, he's dropped the hyphens not the names. The Duke
of Roxburghe should be chief of Clan Innes, but since he retains the
hyphen between Innes and Kerr, Lyon won't recognise him as such. That
said; Roxburghe seems to have dropped the hyphen on his website; maybe
he's angling for the chieftainship....

http://www.roxburghe.net/floorscastle_dukeofroxburghe.html

RL

[Michael Rhodes]

I have always thought that Scots families never use the hyphen. The late Queen Mother was a Bowes Lyon and not a Bowes-Lyon for instance.

[Turenne]

On 2 June, 18:35, Michael Rhodes <mig73allenford2...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> I have always thought that Scots families never use the hyphen. The late
> Queen Mother was a Bowes Lyon and not a Bowes-Lyon for instance.

Maybe that's so that they can retain the chieftainship of their clan;
Lord Strathmore is chief of Clan Lyon. I'm pretty sure however that
some of those individuals who aren't clan chiefs use a hyphen e.g.
Lord Leven (Melville-Leslie), Lord Haddington (Baillie-Grant) and Lord
Seafield (Ogilvie-Grant). That said; some searches for Clan Home show
Douglas-Home and some show Bowes Lyon with the hyphen.

This from The Standing Council of Chiefs - Requirements for
Recognition:

"......Chiefship is a title of honour and dignity within the nobility
of Scotland. Any claimant to such a title must establish, to the
satisfaction of the Lord Lyon representing the Sovereign, that he or
she is entitles to the undifferenced Arms of the community over which
they seek to preside.

There is, however, one legal bar to a claimant taking up a Clan
Chiefship even if he is entitled to the undifferenced Arms of the
name. This occurs where the individual bears two family names
hyphenated together (known colloquially as a double-barrelled
surname). It was established in the case of Campbell-Gray, Petitioner
in 1950 that no person may bear a compound or double-barrelled surname
and be recognised as a Chief. This is for the fairly obviously reason
that the compound surname is held to be a new name and is not simply
the aggregate of the two or more parts.

The solution to this problem, which has been adopted by some chiefly
families is to drop the hyphenated aspect of the compound surname and
simply add the additional names as forenames. The Duke of Buccleuch,
Chief of Clan Scott, now incorporates the name Montagu Douglas Scott
without the offending hyphen, and therefore has the recognition of the
Lyon Court. The Duke of Roxburghe, on the other hand, although
undoubtedly the “Chief” of Clan Innes, cannot be so recognised as long
as he retains the name Innes-Ker....."

RL

[Turenne]

On 2 June, 21:44, Turenne <rick.lich...@virgin.net> wrote:
> It was established in the case of Campbell-Gray, Petitioner
> in 1950 that no person may bear a compound or double-barrelled surname
> and be recognised as a Chief. This is for the fairly obviously reason
> that the compound surname is held to be a new name and is not simply
> the aggregate of the two or more parts.
>

This from 'The clans, septs & regiments of the Scottish Highlands By
Frank Adam, Sir Thomas Innes of Learney'

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=_U0Ii-Om3EwC&pg=PA411&lpg=PA411&dq=addressing+wives+of+scottish+clan+chiefs&source=bl&ots=O3L3yRbfxd&sig=CbQaQo00MDC-rjdXBcsIob8UA44&hl=en&ei=hsS3S_7JKJSI0wSk55w0&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CCIQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=campbell-gray&f=false


RL