Current peerage titles where the eldest son is not the heir apparent (Dukes through Viscounts)

[bx...@yahoo.com]

After the recent Grayson situation (baronet died, son born out of wedlock, so baronet's brother succeeded), I was curious how many others might be in the same situation.

I only looked at Peers, and only those from Dukes down through the Viscounts.  In some cases, the peer has one son not in the line of succession, and in other cases, 2 sons.  

Duke

Manchester-- Brother is hp.

Marquess

Queensberry- Second son is heir.

Earl

Dartmouth-- Brother is hp

Eldon-- Second son is heir.

Harewood--Second son is heir

Jellicoe-- Brother is hp.

Lisburne-- Brother is hp

Temple of Stowe-- Brother is hp.

Viscount

Cowdray-- Second son is heir

de Vesci-- Second son is heir

Galway-- The hp is from a different line than the current Viscount.

Sidmouth-- Second son is heir.

Question:  If the second son is the heir, as in some of these cases,  is  he "heir apparent" or "heir presumptive?"

Thanks.

Brooke

[marquess]

He is the heir apparent,  because he cannot be displaced in the line of succession. 

[marquess]

PS to my previous comments, in the Queensberry case if the current marquis were to marry the mother of his eldest son, the second son could theoretically be displaced.

[bx...@yahoo.com]

Thanks, marquess.

Brooke

[John Horton]

Heir apparent - only his own premature death can prevent his succession.

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[BREMENMURRAY]

The heir of the Marquess of Queensbury was also born out of wedlock but became heir after his parents married