Anne, Lady Howard of Penrith

[Turenne]

Anne, Lady Howard of Penrith widow of Anthony Bazley and Frances, 2nd
Baron of Penrith died on the 25th January aged 72. She was born Anne
Hotham, daughter of John Beaumont Hotham and Gladys Mary Wilson. The
Hothams had a long naval and military tradition and were scions of the
barons Hotham of South Dalton.

Richard Lichten

[JonnyK]

A prolific and distinguished family, the Howards. Two queries, first
why are the Earls of Effingham not in remainder to the Dukedom of
Norfolk along with the other Howard lines, and second does anyone know
why Castle Howard is no longer the seat of the Earls of Carlisle?

The Hon. Simon Howard is the owner of the place, the third of four
sons of Lord Howard of Henderskelfe (1920-1984, life peer) and a
grandson of the 9th Earl of Carlisle (1843-1911).

[Richard R]

Why are the Earls of Effingham not in remainder to the Dukedom of
Norfolk

Answer - the dukedom's remainder follows that specified at the time of
the restoration to the 5th duke in 1660. It names those in the
remainder and specifically doesn't include the Earls of Effingham.
It's not clear why.

Does anyone know why Castle Howard is no longer the seat of the Earls
of Carlisle?
Answer - The 9th Earl of Carlisle's wife was known as a bit of a
radical ('Radical Rosalind') and believed wealth should be evenly
distributed among her family and so left the castle to a younger son
(the ancestor of the Hon Simon Howard).

Bonus info - how many beady eyed peerage watchers have noticed the
2008 Debrett's Peerage now gives the Norfolk creation date as 1514,
with precedence of 1483? It was previously shown as cr 1483.

[marquess]

That is not quite the full story re Castle Howard, what happened that
she left it to her dau, who thought that it would be too great and
responsibility and thus handed it over to her brother. See Hugh
Montgomery Massingberg's book Great Aristocratic Families and also
Debretts Stately Homes. As for the Effingham thing, it was just an
over sight on the reversal of the attainder in 16 whenever, not
really important anyway the Effingham Earldom is likey to be extinct
before they every get round to the Dukedom.

[JonnyK]

Digging a little deeper, Rosalind Carlisle sounds like quite a
formidable figure in her time. The daughter of Edward Stanley, 2nd
Baron Stanley of Alderley, one of her sisters, Katherine, was
Viscountess Amberley and the mother of Bertrand Russell, while another
sister, Blanche, was the mother of Clementine Churchill and great
grandmother of the Mitford sisters.

She married George Howard, 9th Earl of Carlisle, with whom she had six
sons and five daughters. They moved in the pre-Raphaelite artistic and
Liberal political circles; Lord Carlisle was an active Liberal MP from
1879. Their many friends included William Morris and Edward Burne-
Jones. Rosalind apparently became increasingly frustrated with her
husband's wish to practise as an artist and their marriage broke down
in the 1880s.

Described as an "uncompromising suffragist", Rosalind was involved in
several causes, including women's suffrage and the temperance movement
in Britain and overseas. A New York Times clipping I found archived on
their website (fascinating facility, if anyone has used it...) describes
the reelection of the Countess of Carlisle as president of the World
Womens' Christian Temperance Union in October 1913, against her wishes
owing to "ill-health and other duties".

She also served as a model for Lady Britomart in George Bernard Shaw's
play Major Barbara. Many stories have been written about Lady
Carlisle, perhaps the most popular one being that she had the contents
of the wine cellar of Castle Howard emptied into the lake.

As for Castle Howard, after Rosalind's death in 1921 the family
estates were divided "according to Liberal principles" says the Castle
Howard website. Castle Howard came to Lady Mary Murray, her eldest
daughter, who was unwilling to take it on and passed it to her younger
brother, the Hon Geoffrey Howard, who was a Liberal MP and
Parliamentary Secretary to Herbert Asquith, the Prime Minister. He
died in 1935 and Castle Howard was administered by a family trust,
none of his children being of age. Two of his sons were killed in the
war so it was George Howard (later Lord Howard of Henderskelfe) who
next inherited. He married Lady Cecilia FitzRoy, daughter of the 8th
Duke of Grafton, and together they opened Castle Howard to the public
in 1952. Their sons, the Hon Simon and the Hon Nicholas Howard, run
the estate trust.

[Turenne]

JohnnyK wrote:

>....while another sister, Blanche, was the mother of Clementine
Churchill

I think you may mean grandmother. Her mother was Lady Henrietta
Blanche Ogilvy who was the daughter of Sir David Graham Drummond
Ogilvy, 5th Earl of Airlie and Hon. Henrietta Blanche Stanley. Two
'Henrietta Blanches' may have thrown you :)

Richard L

[JonnyK]

Thank you Richard, this was lifted from a source that I hadn't
crosschecked. Interesting how the families are linked in this case,
mixing radical politics and philosophy.

[Turenne]

You're right Jonny.

It's odd how radicalism/socialism works its way through families.
Beatrice Webb, economist,socialist and reformer married Sidney Webb,
later Baron Passfield (she refused to be known as Lady Passfield). She
was the the granddaughter of a Radical MP, Richard Potter, had a
relationship with Radical politician Joseph Chamberlain and was aunt
to Sir Stafford Cripps and Barbara Drake, who was a prominent member
trade unionist and a member of the Fabian Society.

Luisa Isabel Álvarez de Toledo y Maura, Duquesa de Medina-Sidonia and
Katherine Ramsay, wife of the 7th Duke of Atholl were both known as
'The Red Duchess'.

Richard

[bx...@yahoo.com]

I believe the Hon. Simon Howard is married to Rebecca Sieff, a great-
granddaughter of the life peer Lord Sieff.

Brooke

[Michael Rhodes]

On 30 Jan, 21:08, "b...@yahoo.com" <b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I believe the Hon. Simon Howard is married to Rebecca Sieff, a great-
> granddaughter of the life peer Lord Sieff.
>
> Brooke

An is the father of twins, a son and a daughter.

[Michael Rhodes]

She was 94, born in 1913. Her husband was Francis, 2nd Baron Howard
of Penrith (b 5 Oct 1905; d 13 Nov 1999).

[Turenne]

Sorry Michael. I've been in the country for 2 weeks and obtained the
information from peerage.com

Richard