Burke's error re: Augusta Wilmot, Countess of Kenmare

[dpth...@gmail.com]

Recent editions of Burke’s Peerage show that the Augusta Wilmot who married the 2^nd Earl of Kenmare was daughter of Sir Robert Wilmot, of Chaddesden, 2nd Bt. (1731-1793). However, she was actually daughter of Sir Robert Wilmot, of Osmaston, 2^nd Bt. (ca 1752-1834).

 

She is clearly shown as daughter of the Osmaston Baronet (and of his second wife, Marianne Howard), in The Complete Peerage, sub Kenmare, and also in earlier Burke's editions, including the 1914 edition, sub Wilmot of Osmaston, and in that same 1914 edition she is not mentioned in the Chaddesden article.

In more contemporaneous sources, she is clearly shown as daughter of the Osmaston Baronet in the 183 Debrett’s, sub Wilmot of Osmaston, and is not included among the daughters of the Chaddesden Baronet in the same source.

 

I think that the confusion may have arisen after the Osmaston title became extinct in 1931, and someone saw that she was daughter of Sir Robert Wilmot, 2nd Bt., and found only one such person in Burke's Extant Peerages and Baronetcies.

 

The error is at present included in “thepeerage.com” website. I have sent an email to the owner of that site about this.

 

 

To show the relationships among these Baronets:

 

Robert Wilmot, of Chaddesden, d.8 Feb 1683; m.Dorothea Shrigley

1.Robert; m.Mary Newton

2.Edward, of Chaddesden; m.30 May 1667 Susanna Coke

2.1.Robert, of Chaddesden (16 Jul 1668-    ); m.13 Sep 1691 Joyce Sacheverell

2.1.1.Sir Edward, of Chaddesden, cr Baronet 1759 (29 Oct 1693-21 Nov 1786); m.by 1731 Sarah Marsh Mead (d.11 Sep 1785)

2.1.1.1.Sir Robert Mead, 2^nd Bt. (13 Sep 1731-9 Sep 1793); m.13 May 1759 Mary Woollet (d.18 Mar 1811) à later Wilmot of Chaddesden Baronets

3.Sir Nicholas, of Osmaston, d.28 Dec 1682; m.Dorothy (d.22 Jan 1682),dau of Sir Henry Harpur, Bt.

3.1.Robert, of Osmaston (1641-1722); m.Elizabeth, dau and heiress of Edward Eardley, of Eardley

3.1.1.Robert, of Osmaston, d.Sep 1738; m.Ursula, dau of Sir Samuel Marow, Bt.

3.1.1.1.Sir Robert, of Osmaston (ca 1708-14 Nov 1772), cr Baronet 10 Oct 1772, with remainder, failing his legitimate issue male, to his illegitimate son Robert; he m.Elizabeth Foote, by whom he had children born before the marriage:

3.1.1.1.1.Sir Robert, 2^nd Bt. (ca 1752-23 Jul 1834); m.1^st 23 Feb 1783 Juliana Elizabeth Byron (d.18 Mar 1788); m.2^nd 15 Mar 1795 Mary Anne Howard (d.28 Oct 1862) à subsequent Wilmot of Osmaston aronets, extinct 1931

3.1.1.2.Sir John Eardley, d.5 Feb 1792; m.3 Apr 1743 Sarah Rivett (d.27 Jul 1772) à Eardley-Wilmot Baronets

[dpth...@gmail.com]

The Debrett's source was 1835.. not 183   :)    Sorry for the typo

[G. Willis]

Well spotted, Mr Theroff- I wonders what the procedure is re: contacting Burke's/ Debrett's with corrections of this sort? One would imagine they'd be inclined to look into a matter such as this if brought to their attention?

[dpth...@gmail.com]

If someone know how to let them know, please do so. 

Meanwhile, I have put a note about this on my Kenmare page at http://www.angelfire.com/realm/gotha/gotha/browne.html  and hope that this corrected information will work its way into the search engines (i hope thepeerage.com also corrects its entry) so interested people can see the correct information.

[colinp]

For Debrett’s email wendybosb...@debretts.co.uk

[dpth...@gmail.com]

In this case, Debrett's is in the clear :)   It is Burke's who has made an error, even though they had it right in earlier editions.

On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 4:01:18 PM UTC-5, colinp wrote:

For Debrett’s email wendybosb...@debretts.co.uk

[dpth...@gmail.com]

I have not received any reply from the owner of "thepeerage" site, and he has not made any corrections, so I fear that this error is destined to be repeated online in the future.

[DENNIS CUNNIFF]

On Sep 17, 2019, at 8:52 AM, dpth...@gmail.com wrote:

I have not received any reply from the owner of "thepeerage" site, and he has not made any corrections, so I fear that this error is destined to be repeated online in the future.

He’s corrected things for me in the past, so perhaps he’s just taking a while or misplaced your note. I think another message from you wouldn’t be out of line and might be appreciated.

-DJC.

On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 5:22:12 PM UTC-5, dpth...@gmail.com wrote:

In this case, Debrett's is in the clear :)   It is Burke's who has made an error, even though they had it right in earlier editions.

On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 4:01:18 PM UTC-5, colinp wrote:

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[dpth...@gmail.com]

Thanks.. I just now re-sent it. I sent it to the address he has on his website:   darryl@thep[xxxx]ge.com   

On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 8:30:24 AM UTC-5, DENNIS CUNNIFF wrote:

On Sep 17, 2019, at 8:52 AM, dpth...@gmail.com wrote:

I have not received any reply from the owner of "thepeerage" site, and he has not made any corrections, so I fear that this error is destined to be repeated online in the future.

He’s corrected things for me in the past, so perhaps he’s just taking a while or misplaced your note. I think another message from you wouldn’t be out of line and might be appreciated.

-DJC.

On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 5:22:12 PM UTC-5, dpth...@gmail.com wrote:

In this case, Debrett's is in the clear :)   It is Burke's who has made an error, even though they had it right in earlier editions.

On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 4:01:18 PM UTC-5, colinp wrote:

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[Jelena JS]

I see that the owner of "thepeerage" site have made corrections. Perhaps you didn't mention Augusta's mother thus the site still has a mistake.

[dpth...@gmail.com]

i mentioned the mother. Here is what I sent him:

"The Augusta Wilmot who married the 2nd Earl of Kenmare was not daughter of Sir Robert Wilmot, of Chaddesden, 2nd Bt., but of Sir Robert Wilmot, of Osmaston, 2nd Bt.

I know that modern editions of Burke's show her as dau of the Chaddesden Baronet, but she is clearly shown as daughter of the Osmaston Baronet (and of his second wife, Marianne Howard), in Complete Peerage, sub Kenmare, and also in earlier Burke's editions, including the 1914 edition, sub the Wilmot of Osmaston article."

In a second email I sent photographs of the Debrett' entries for the two Wilmot Baronetcies showing Augusta's correct parentage.

[Jelena JS]

On the site I see Mary Anne Howard, not Marianne. Correct mother is next step :)

[dpth...@gmail.com]

I see that he now has Augusta's father as the correct Sir Robert, but he still shows Augusta, not as daughter of one of the correct Sir Robert's wives, but as daughter of Mary Woollett, wife of the other Sir Robert.

As for Mary Anne/Marianne, some Peerage works of the time say one, and some the other. I think it was common in those times to use different variations of the same name.

[dpth...@gmail.com]

Mr. Lundy has replied and says that he has now fixed the relevant entries, and that the correction will upload within a few days.

 

Since the Wilmot of Osmaston Baronets have not been in Burke’s since they went extinct in 1931, I post below all I could find on them, in case anyone is interested, also showing the relationship of other lines of this family:

 

 

Robert Wilmot, of Chaddesden, d.8 Feb 1683; m.Dorothea Shrigley

1.Robert; m.Mary Newton

2.Edward, of Chaddesden; m.30 May 1667 Susanna Coke

2.1.Robert, of Chaddesden (16 Jul 1668-    ); m.13 Sep 1691 Joyce Sacheverell

2.1.1.Robert, d.1755

2.1.2.Sir Edward, of Chaddesden, cr Baronet 1759 (29 Oct 1693-21 Nov 1786); m.by 1731 Sarah Marsh Mead (d.11 Sep 1785) à extant Wilmot of Chaddesden Baronets

2.1.3.William

2.1.4.Rev. Richard, d.2 Dec 1771; m.17 Oct 1746 Dorothy Degge à issue, including:

2.1.4.1.Staunton; inherited large estates from a Mrs Sitwell à LG Family Wilmot-Sitwell

2.1.5.Susanna

2.1.6.Elizabeth; m. Rev. Samuel Davison

2.2.Edward; m.27 Dec 1718 Catherine Cassandra Isabella Coke

2.2.1.Francis Balydon (bap 27 Jul 1725-    ); m.Elizabeth Wilmot (below)

2.2.2.Rev. Richard

2.2.3.Susan; m. ___ Waddilove

2.2.4.Cassandra; m. ___ Baylis

2.2.5.Elizabeth; m.Edward Wilmot (below)

2.2.6.Anne

2.3.Richard; m.Henrietta, sister of Sir Henry Cavendish, Bt.

2.3.1.Rev. Richard; m.NN

2.3.2.Rev. William; m. Mrs ___ Mabb, née Shallcross

2.3.3.Edward; m.Elizabeth Wilmot (above)

2.3.3.1.son

2.3.3.2.dau

2.3.4.Robert

2.3.5.Susanna; m.Somerford Booths

2.3.6.Henrietta

2.3.7.Catharine

2.3.8.Elizabeth; m.Francis Balydon Wilmot (above)

2.3.9.Mary; m. ___ Parker

2.3.10.Dorothy; m. ___ Pickering

2.3.11.Anne; m. ___ Ravenshaw

3.Sir Nicholas, of Osmaston, d.28 Dec 1682; m.Dorothy (d.22 Jan 1682), dau of Sir Henry Harpur, Bt.

3.1.Robert, of Osmaston (1641-1722); m.Elizabeth, dau and heiress of Edward Eardley, of Eardley

3.1.1.Robert, of Osmaston, d.Sep 1738; m.Ursula, dau of Sir Samuel Marow, Bt.

3.1.1.1.Sir Robert, of Osmaston (ca 1708-14 Nov 1772), cr Baronet 10 Oct 1772, with remainder, failing his legitimate issue male, to his illegitimate son Robert; he m.Elizabeth Foote, by whom he had children born before the marriage:

3.1.1.1.1.Sir Robert, 2^nd Bt. (ca 1752-23 Jul 1834); m.1^st 23 Feb 1783 Juliana Elizabeth Byron (d.18 Mar 1788); m.2^nd 15 Mar 1795 Mary Anne Howard (d.28 Oct 1862)

3.1.1.1.1.1.Sir Robert John, 1823 WILMOT-HORTON, 3^rd Bt. (21 Dec 1784-31 May 1841); m.1 Sep 1806 Anne Beatrice Horton (d.4 Feb 1871)

3.1.1.1.1.1.1.Sir Robert Edward, 4^th Bt. (29 Jan 1808-22 Sep 1880); m.20 Mar 1842 Mrs Margaret Algeo, née Kersteman (d.20 Jun 1893)

3.1.1.1.1.1.2.Christopher (14 Apr 1809-22 Jul 1864)

3.1.1.1.1.1.3.Frederick (15 Dec 1819-21 Jan 1855)

3.1.1.1.1.1.4.Rev. Sir George Lewis, 5^th Bt. (8 Nov 1825-24 Oct 1887); m.24 Jul 1849 Frances Augusta Boyce (d.4 Feb 1893), gdau of Duke of Marlborough

3.1.1.1.1.1.5.Anne Augusta (16 Aug 1810-16 Jul 1843); m.29 Jun 1830 Henry Tufnell

3.1.1.1.1.1.6.Harriet Louisa (23 Jan 1818-30 Jan 1831)

3.1.1.1.1.1.7.Emily Julia (21 Dec 1821-11 Mar 1866); m.27 Aug 1850 Hon. Robert Curzon [later, 14^th Lord Zouche of Haryngworth (16 Mar 1810-2 Aug 1873)

3.1.1.1.1.2.Charles Foley (1796-23 Mar 1852)

3.1.1.1.1.3.Eardley Nicholas (1800-2 Mar 1877); m.15 Feb 1855 Emily Elizabeth Whitmore (d.26 Apr 1900)

3.1.1.1.1.4.Frederick

3.1.1.1.1.5.Montagu, of Norton House (16 Jun 1805-8 Dec 1880); m.4 Aug 1841 Sarah Frederica Eden (d.4 Nov 1903)

3.1.1.1.1.5.1.Sir Robert Rodney, 6^th Bt. (20 Jun 1853-1931); m.1^st 28 Dec 1880 Lady Flora Mildred North (7 Jun 1860-1 Mar 1886); m.2^nd 19 Apr 1888 Eleanor Georgiana Hare (8 Apr 1861-    ), gdau of Earl of Listowel

3.1.1.1.1.5.1.1.Mildred (11 May 1882-28 Aug 1943); m.19 Jan 1905 Sir Roger Warin Beaconsfield Onslow, 6^th Bt. (29 Apr 1880-13 Oct 1931)

3.1.1.1.1.5.1.2.Norah Eleanor (4 Feb 1889-    )

3.1.1.1.1.5.1.3.Kathleen Eleanor (9 Mar 1893-    ); m.1921 Arthur Charles Melville Pym (18 Dec 1888-11 Jan 1956)

3.1.1.1.1.5.2.Marianne Frances, d.Jan 1908; m.1^st 11 Sep 1860 George John Cayley (d.11 Oct 1878); m.2^nd 4 Dec 1888 Baron Emile de Royer

3.1.1.1.1.5.3.Sarah Elizabeth; m.2 Jun 1887 Sir Warwick Morshead, 3^rd Bt. (d.17 Mar 1905)

3.1.1.1.1.5.4.Augusta Emily (1847-8 Jul 1915); m.6 Aug 1872 Augustus Frederick Francis Lennox (22 Aug 1824-8 Jul 1883)

3.1.1.1.1.5.5.Emily Dulcibella, d.19 Dec 1943; m.27 Jun 1882 Henry Vivian Gibson-Craig (25 Sep 1847-19 May 1926)

3.1.1.1.1.6.[ex 2] Elizabeth Augusta; m.17 Aug 1826 Sir Richard Church (d.20 Mar 1873)

3.1.1.1.1.7.[ex 2] Augusta Anne, d.26 Aug 1873; m.1 Jul 1816 Valentine Browne, 2^nd Earl of Kenmare (15 Jan 1788-31 Oct 1853)

3.1.1.1.2.James

3.1.1.1.3.William

3.1.1.1.4.Elizabeth

3.1.1.2.Sir John Eardley, d.5 Feb 1792; m.3 Apr 1743 Sarah Rivett (d.27 Jul 1772)

3.1.1.2.1.Robert

3.1.1.2.2.John, 1812, EARDLEY-WILMOT, of Berkswell Hall (1750-    ); m.1^st Frances Sainthill; m.2^nd Sarah Haslam (dsp)

3.1.1.2.2.1.Sir John EARDLEY-WILMOT, cr Baronet 1821 (21 Feb 1783-3 Feb 1847); m.1^st 21 May 1808 Elizabeth Emma Parry (d.22 Mar 1818); m.2^nd 30 Aug 1819 Elizabeth Chester (d.15 Dec 1869) à extant Eardley-Wilmot Baronets

3.1.1.2.2.2.Jemima Arabella, d.27 Nov 1865; m.John Holt

3.1.1.2.2.3.Emma, d.17 Aug 1868; m. Rev. W Burgess Hayne

3.1.1.2.2.4.Selina Elizabeth, d.8 Oct 1868; m. Rev. Guy Bryan

3.1.1.2.2.5.dau

3.1.1.2.3.Eardley

3.1.1.2.4.Maria Marowe (Jul 1743-1 Mar 1794); m.6 Dec 1766 Sir Sampson Gideon, Bt. (10 Oct 1745-25 Dec 1824), who in 1789 took surname Eardley, and was cr 1789 Baron Eardley of Spalding; he had been cr Baronet 1759

 

3.1.1.2.4.1.Sampson (29 Dec 1770-21 May 1824)

3.1.1.2.4.2.William (22 May 1775-17 Sep 1805)

3.1.1.2.4.3.Maria Marowe (22 Nov 1767-5 Oct 1834); m.Gregory William Twoselton-Fiennes, later Eardley-Twisleton-Fiennes, 8^th Lord Saye and Sele (14 Apr 1769-13 Nov 1844)

3.1.1.2.4.4.Charlotte Elizabeth; m.Sir Cuthing Smith, 2^nd Bt.

3.1.1.2.4.5.Selina; m.John Walbanke Childers

 

3.1.1.2.5.Elizabeth, d.21 Aug 1826; m.27 Jul 1788 Sir Thomas Blomefield, Bt.

3.1.1.3.Edward, d.an infant

3.1.1.4.Ursula, d.young

3.1.1.5.Amabella; m.James M’Cullock

3.1.2.Nicholas; m.Sarah Lloyd

3.1.2.1.Selden

3.1.2.2.Sarah

3.1.2.3.Elizabeth; m. Valentine Morris

3.1.2.4.Mary

3.1.2.5.Margaret; m. Rev. Bryan Allot

3.1.3.Edward

3.1.4.John; m.Frances Barker à LG Family Wilmot-Chetwode

3.1.4.1.Robert

3.1.4.2.Elizabeth

3.1.4.3.Alice; m.John Ryder, Archbishop of Tuam (ca 1697-4 Feb 1775)

3.1.4.4.dau

3.1.5.Rev. Charles; m.Bridget Blundell

3.1.5.1.son, d. unmarried

3.1.6.Christopher; m.Anne Montague, sister of Earl of Halifax

3.1.6.1.Montague, d. unmarried

3.1.7.Henry, of Farnborough Park; m.Catherine Dowson

3.1.7.1.Henry, of Farnborough Park (1710-1794); m.Sarah Morris, dau of his cousin Elizabeth, above

3.1.7.1.1.Valentine Henry, of Farnborough Park (1757-1819); m.1789 Barbara, dau of Sir Chaloner Ogle, Bt.

3.1.7.1.1.1.Arabella Jane; m.1821 Rev. F Sullivan

3.1.7.1.2.Sarah Elizabeth, d.1802; m.1782 James Seton

3.1.8.Anne; m.Robert Revell

3.2.Nicholas; m. ___ Chaloner à issue

3.3.Dorothy; m.Francis Revell

3.4.Barbara; m.Thomas Bembrigge

3.5.Elizabeth; m.Nicholas Charnells

4.John

5.Anne; m. E Charlton

6.Elizabeth; m.Robert Miller