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ThomasFoolery
Nov 14, 2010, 6:27:42 PM11/14/10
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The Roll of the Peerage is now available online through the following
link:
http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/Roll%20of%20the%20Peerage%2020101101.pdf
link:
http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/Roll%20of%20the%20Peerage%2020101101.pdf
marquess
Nov 15, 2010, 1:10:57 AM11/15/10
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Thanks Tom that is most useful!
On Nov 15, 6:27 am, ThomasFoolery <mmp...@eden.rutgers.edu> wrote:
> The Roll of the Peerage is now available online through the following
> link:
>
> http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/Roll%20of%20the%20Peerage%202010110...
On Nov 15, 6:27 am, ThomasFoolery <mmp...@eden.rutgers.edu> wrote:
> The Roll of the Peerage is now available online through the following
> link:
>
sarac...@googlemail.com
Nov 15, 2010, 3:36:35 AM11/15/10
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Wow,if this is an official roll,then for a basic/initial read,there is
some interesting if not stunning omissions,i.e. where are the Dukes of
Argyll and Atholl,Earls Haig,Orkney and Perth,Lords MacDonald,De
Ros,Sinclair,Tedder and Glenconner,plus the other Colville(Viscount
Culross),and that just for starters!
On Nov 14, 11:27 pm, ThomasFoolery <mmp...@eden.rutgers.edu> wrote:
> The Roll of the Peerage is now available online through the following
> link:
>
> http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/Roll%20of%20the%20Peerage%202010110...
some interesting if not stunning omissions,i.e. where are the Dukes of
Argyll and Atholl,Earls Haig,Orkney and Perth,Lords MacDonald,De
Ros,Sinclair,Tedder and Glenconner,plus the other Colville(Viscount
Culross),and that just for starters!
On Nov 14, 11:27 pm, ThomasFoolery <mmp...@eden.rutgers.edu> wrote:
> The Roll of the Peerage is now available online through the following
> link:
>
ccz...@googlemail.com
Nov 15, 2010, 4:05:59 AM11/15/10
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I only got as far as the bottom of page 1. When I saw that the Duke of
Gloucester had been deprived of one of his names, I decided I probably
dodn't want to look any further. (A good thing I didn't!)
On Nov 15, 8:36 am, "saracen9...@googlemail.com"
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Gloucester had been deprived of one of his names, I decided I probably
dodn't want to look any further. (A good thing I didn't!)
On Nov 15, 8:36 am, "saracen9...@googlemail.com"
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ccz...@googlemail.com
Nov 15, 2010, 5:23:41 AM11/15/10
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This:
http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/PeersRollContents.html
notes that (inter alii), these:
Hereditary Peers who have proved succession in accordance with the
terms of the 2004 Royal Warrant.
Hereditary Peers who up to 1999 received a Writ of Summons.
Hereditary Peers who from 1999 have proved their succession in order
to be eligible either for election to a vacant seat amongst the
remaining 92 hereditary peers in a House of Lords 'by-election', or to
vote in such a by-election.
are on the Register.
Has anyone spotted any "pre-1999 peers" (to coin a phrase i.e. those
who had received a Write of Summons up to that date) omitted from the
Register?
http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/PeersRollContents.html
notes that (inter alii), these:
Hereditary Peers who have proved succession in accordance with the
terms of the 2004 Royal Warrant.
Hereditary Peers who up to 1999 received a Writ of Summons.
Hereditary Peers who from 1999 have proved their succession in order
to be eligible either for election to a vacant seat amongst the
remaining 92 hereditary peers in a House of Lords 'by-election', or to
vote in such a by-election.
are on the Register.
Has anyone spotted any "pre-1999 peers" (to coin a phrase i.e. those
who had received a Write of Summons up to that date) omitted from the
Register?
> Wow,if this is an official roll,then for a basic/initial read,there is
> some interesting if not stunning omissions,i.e. where are the Dukes of
> Argyll and Atholl,Earls Haig,Orkney and Perth,Lords MacDonald,De
> Ros,Sinclair,Tedder and Glenconner,plus the other Colville(Viscount
> Culross),and that just for starters!
>
> On Nov 14, 11:27 pm, ThomasFoolery <mmp...@eden.rutgers.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The Roll of the Peerage is now available online through the following
> > link:
>
> some interesting if not stunning omissions,i.e. where are the Dukes of
> Argyll and Atholl,Earls Haig,Orkney and Perth,Lords MacDonald,De
> Ros,Sinclair,Tedder and Glenconner,plus the other Colville(Viscount
> Culross),and that just for starters!
>
> On Nov 14, 11:27 pm, ThomasFoolery <mmp...@eden.rutgers.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The Roll of the Peerage is now available online through the following
> > link:
>
ThomasFoolery
Nov 15, 2010, 5:27:40 PM11/15/10
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I got this response from the Assistant Registrar of the Peerage, if it
clarifies anything:
Thank you for your email. All Peers you had received a Writ of Summons
up to 1999, whether they remained on as one of the '92 or whether they
were ejected are, or certainly should be included in the Roll. Any
Peer
who currently sits , if he or she is an hereditary will have proved
succession and will be included and ay Life Peers are included
automatically.
We monitor the press etc for notices of deaths and there are plenty of
Peers who have never proved succession, but whose families we still
have
files on and we note deaths on the files. I am not sure that there is
power to remove a name from the master Roll once a Peer has received a
Writ of Summons, although I see no reason why a Peer's name should not
be removed from the published version of the Roll if he or she wishes,
from a privacy point of view.
Trust this helps.
With best wishes,
Grant Bavister
On Nov 15, 5:23 am, "ccz...@googlemail.com" <ccz...@googlemail.com>
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clarifies anything:
Thank you for your email. All Peers you had received a Writ of Summons
up to 1999, whether they remained on as one of the '92 or whether they
were ejected are, or certainly should be included in the Roll. Any
Peer
who currently sits , if he or she is an hereditary will have proved
succession and will be included and ay Life Peers are included
automatically.
We monitor the press etc for notices of deaths and there are plenty of
Peers who have never proved succession, but whose families we still
have
files on and we note deaths on the files. I am not sure that there is
power to remove a name from the master Roll once a Peer has received a
Writ of Summons, although I see no reason why a Peer's name should not
be removed from the published version of the Roll if he or she wishes,
from a privacy point of view.
Trust this helps.
With best wishes,
Grant Bavister
On Nov 15, 5:23 am, "ccz...@googlemail.com" <ccz...@googlemail.com>
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ccz...@googlemail.com
Nov 16, 2010, 3:45:12 AM11/16/10
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On Nov 15, 10:27 pm, ThomasFoolery <mmp...@eden.rutgers.edu> wrote:
> I got this response from the Assistant Registrar of the Peerage, if it
> clarifies anything:
> Thank you for your email. All Peers you had received a Writ of Summons
> up to 1999, whether they remained on as one of the '92 or whether they
> were ejected are, or certainly should be included in the Roll.
Reading betrween the lines, I think that means "We did omit some
> I got this response from the Assistant Registrar of the Peerage, if it
> clarifies anything:
> Thank you for your email. All Peers you had received a Writ of Summons
> up to 1999, whether they remained on as one of the '92 or whether they
> were ejected are, or certainly should be included in the Roll.
initially but think we now have them all … though if anyone knows
otherwise please let us know!".
> Any
> Peer
> who currently sits , if he or she is an hereditary
> will have proved
> succession and will be included and ay Life Peers are included
> automatically.
too.)
> We monitor the press etc for notices of deaths and there are plenty of
> Peers who have never proved succession, but whose families we still
> have
> files on and we note deaths on the files. I am not sure that there is
> power to remove a name from the master Roll once a Peer has received a
> Writ of Summons, although I see no reason why a Peer's name should not
> be removed from the published version of the Roll if he or she wishes,
> from a privacy point of view.
are not published anywhere (for reasons of privacy)?
ccz...@googlemail.com
Nov 16, 2010, 4:07:43 AM11/16/10
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Do we know what the initial recation of baronets was to the Roll of
the Baronetage? Did some baronets disdain to have any contact with it
only to change their mind in later years (or their successors to do
likewise)? I'm wondering whether something similar is happening with
the Roll of the Peerage.
On Nov 16, 8:45 am, "ccz...@googlemail.com" <ccz...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
the Baronetage? Did some baronets disdain to have any contact with it
only to change their mind in later years (or their successors to do
likewise)? I'm wondering whether something similar is happening with
the Roll of the Peerage.
On Nov 16, 8:45 am, "ccz...@googlemail.com" <ccz...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
Jonathan
Nov 16, 2010, 6:34:22 AM11/16/10
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> (One hopes that newly created hereditary peers fall into this category
> too.)
although there may well be a new one next year:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11765422
Turenne
Nov 16, 2010, 11:16:14 AM11/16/10
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It occurs to me that this is a marvellous opportunity for contributors
to Peerage News to keep the 'powers that be' honest, as far as keeping
the Roll of the Peerage up to date and accurate.
We should find someone within the group to keep The College of Arms
informed as to mistakes and omissions. Saracen's observations
concerning Dukes of Argyll and Atholl, Earls Haig,Orkney and Perth,
Lords MacDonald,De Ros,Sinclair,Tedder and Glenconner, Colville
etc......should be pointed out right away...
Richard L
P.S. I'm not volunteering!!
to Peerage News to keep the 'powers that be' honest, as far as keeping
the Roll of the Peerage up to date and accurate.
We should find someone within the group to keep The College of Arms
informed as to mistakes and omissions. Saracen's observations
concerning Dukes of Argyll and Atholl, Earls Haig,Orkney and Perth,
Lords MacDonald,De Ros,Sinclair,Tedder and Glenconner, Colville
etc......should be pointed out right away...
Richard L
P.S. I'm not volunteering!!
ThomasFoolery
Nov 18, 2010, 12:41:13 AM11/18/10
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I made a list of Peers who succeeded after the House of Lords Act (not
including already-excluded peers of Ireland). Just over half appear
on the Roll as of this most-recent addition. Whether those not on it
are trying to prove succession or are simply not interested, I cannot
of course say. 107 are included while 104 are not. Though I may have
made a mistake somewhere. (There are a couple of deceased Peers still
on the Roll, so I put those in the latter column).
Peers Succeeding After November 11, 1999
Included on the Roll of the Peerage Not Included
The Lord Aberdare The Lord Aberconway
The Marquess of Aberdeen and Temair The Viscount Allendale
The Marquess of Abergavenny The Lord Amherst of Hackney
The Lord Abinger The Duke of Argyll
The Lord Aldington The Lord Bagot
The Lord Ashton of Hyde The Lord Basing
The Earl of Aylesford The Earl of Bessborough
The Earl of Balfour The Viscount Bledisloe
The Duke of Bedford The Lord Blyth
The Lord Belper The Viscount Bolingbroke
and St John
The Lord Bethell The Lord Brabourne
The Lord Bolton The Viscount Buckmaster
The Lord Borwick The Lord Burgh
The Lord Boston The Earl of Carnarvon
The Lord Broadbridge The Lord Carnock
The Lord Bruntisfield The Viscount Chelmsford
The Duke of Buccleuch and Queensberry The Lord Chesham
The Lord Burnham The Lord Clwyd
The Lord Catto The Viscount Colville of
Culross
The Lord Cawley The Marquess Conyngham
The Earl of Clanwilliam The Lord Cornwallis
The Earl of Clarendon The Earl of Cottenham
The Viscount Cobham The Earl of Coventry
The Lord Colgrain The Lord Cullen of Ashbourne
The Viscount Combermere The Lord de Villiers
The Earl of Cork and Orrery The Marquess of Donegall
The Lord Crook The Viscount Downe
The Lord Darcy de Knayth The Marquess of Downshire
The Lord Darling The Viscount
Dunrossil
The Viscount Daventry The Lord Dynevor
The Lord de Freyne The Countess of Dysart
The Lord de Mauley The Earl of Egmont
The Duke of Devonshire The Marquess of Ely
The Lord Dudley The Viscount Esher
The Lord Glendyne The Earl of Essex
The Lord Gorell The Lord Feversham
The Lord Gray The Lord FitzWalter
The Lord Grimthorpe The Lord Forester
The Duke of Hamilton and Brandon The Earl of Gainsborough
The Lord Hamilton of Dalzell The Lord Glendevon
The Viscount Hampden The Lord Grimston of Westbury
The Viscount Hardinge The Earl Haig
The Earl of Harrington The Earl of Halsbury
The Earl of Harrowby The Lord Hampton
The Viscount Hereford The Lord Harvey of Tasburgh
The Lord Heytesbury The Lord Hastings
The Viscount Hill The Lord Hawke
The Earl of Iddesleigh The Lord Hayter
The Earl Jellicoe The Lord Hazlerigg
The Lord Kilbracken The Marquess of Headfort
The Earl of Kimberley The Lord Henniker
The Earl of Kintore The Lord Howard of Penrith
The Lord Latymer The Earl of Ilchester
The Earl of Lauderdale The Lord Kennet
The Duke of Leinster The Lord Keyes
The Earl of Lichfield The Lord Kilmarnock
The Earl of Limerick The Lord Leigh
The Earl of Lonsdale The Lord Lilford
The Marquess of Lothian The Earl of Lincoln
The Lord Margadale The Earl of Longford
The Lord Milford The Earl of Loudon
The Lord Milner of Leeds The Lord Lucas of Chilworth
The Earl of Minto The Lord McGowan
The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley The Lord Macpherson of Drumochter
The Lord Morris of Kenwood The Earl of Malmesbury
The Viscount Mountgarret The Duke of Manchester
The Lord Mowbray and Stourton The Lord Manners
The Lord Nathan The Lord Manton
The Earl Nelson The Lord May
The Lord Nelson of Stafford The Lord Merrivale
The Duke of Norfolk The Viscount Mersey
The Lord Nunburnholme The Lord Milne
The Lord Ogmore The Lord Moncreiff
The Lord Oranmore and Browne The Lord Mostyn
The Viscount of Oxfuird The Earl of Northesk
The Lord Parmoor The Earl of Perth
The Earl of Pembroke and Montgomery The Lord Raglan
The Lord Penrhyn The Lord Rankeillour
The Lord Polwarth The Lord Ravensworth
The Earl of Radnor The Lord Rennell
The Lord Revelstoke The Lord Ritchie of
Dundee
The Lord Robertson of Oakridge The Earl of Rothes
The Earl of Romney The Earl Russell
The Viscount St Davids The Lord Sackville
The Marquess of Salisbury The Viscount St Vincent
The Lord Savile The Lord Sandford
The Earl of Scarbrough The Lord Sandhurst
The Earl of Shaftesbury The Viscount Scarsdale
The Lord Shaughnessy The Viscount Selby
The Lord Shepherd The Lord Sherfield
The Lord Silsoe The Viscount Sidmouth
The Lord Spens The Lord Simon of
Wythenshawe
The Lord Strange The Lord Sinclair
The Lord Strathcarron The Viscount Soulbury
The Duke of Sutherland The Viscount Stuart of Findhorn
The Lord Swansea The Lord Tennyson
The Earl of Swinton The Lord Thomson of Fleet
The Lord Terrington The Lord Tweedsmuir
The Marquess Townshend The Lord Westbury
The Marquess of Tweeddale The Lord Wraxall
The Lord Vaux of Harrowden The Lord Wynford
The Lord Vernon The Earl
Lloyd-George of Dwyfor
The Lord Vivian The Lord
Glenconner
The Lord Wardington The Lord Acton
The Earl of Wemyss and March
The Lord Wharton
The Viscount Younger of Leckie
including already-excluded peers of Ireland). Just over half appear
on the Roll as of this most-recent addition. Whether those not on it
are trying to prove succession or are simply not interested, I cannot
of course say. 107 are included while 104 are not. Though I may have
made a mistake somewhere. (There are a couple of deceased Peers still
on the Roll, so I put those in the latter column).
Peers Succeeding After November 11, 1999
Included on the Roll of the Peerage Not Included
The Lord Aberdare The Lord Aberconway
The Marquess of Aberdeen and Temair The Viscount Allendale
The Marquess of Abergavenny The Lord Amherst of Hackney
The Lord Abinger The Duke of Argyll
The Lord Aldington The Lord Bagot
The Lord Ashton of Hyde The Lord Basing
The Earl of Aylesford The Earl of Bessborough
The Earl of Balfour The Viscount Bledisloe
The Duke of Bedford The Lord Blyth
The Lord Belper The Viscount Bolingbroke
and St John
The Lord Bethell The Lord Brabourne
The Lord Bolton The Viscount Buckmaster
The Lord Borwick The Lord Burgh
The Lord Boston The Earl of Carnarvon
The Lord Broadbridge The Lord Carnock
The Lord Bruntisfield The Viscount Chelmsford
The Duke of Buccleuch and Queensberry The Lord Chesham
The Lord Burnham The Lord Clwyd
The Lord Catto The Viscount Colville of
Culross
The Lord Cawley The Marquess Conyngham
The Earl of Clanwilliam The Lord Cornwallis
The Earl of Clarendon The Earl of Cottenham
The Viscount Cobham The Earl of Coventry
The Lord Colgrain The Lord Cullen of Ashbourne
The Viscount Combermere The Lord de Villiers
The Earl of Cork and Orrery The Marquess of Donegall
The Lord Crook The Viscount Downe
The Lord Darcy de Knayth The Marquess of Downshire
The Lord Darling The Viscount
Dunrossil
The Viscount Daventry The Lord Dynevor
The Lord de Freyne The Countess of Dysart
The Lord de Mauley The Earl of Egmont
The Duke of Devonshire The Marquess of Ely
The Lord Dudley The Viscount Esher
The Lord Glendyne The Earl of Essex
The Lord Gorell The Lord Feversham
The Lord Gray The Lord FitzWalter
The Lord Grimthorpe The Lord Forester
The Duke of Hamilton and Brandon The Earl of Gainsborough
The Lord Hamilton of Dalzell The Lord Glendevon
The Viscount Hampden The Lord Grimston of Westbury
The Viscount Hardinge The Earl Haig
The Earl of Harrington The Earl of Halsbury
The Earl of Harrowby The Lord Hampton
The Viscount Hereford The Lord Harvey of Tasburgh
The Lord Heytesbury The Lord Hastings
The Viscount Hill The Lord Hawke
The Earl of Iddesleigh The Lord Hayter
The Earl Jellicoe The Lord Hazlerigg
The Lord Kilbracken The Marquess of Headfort
The Earl of Kimberley The Lord Henniker
The Earl of Kintore The Lord Howard of Penrith
The Lord Latymer The Earl of Ilchester
The Earl of Lauderdale The Lord Kennet
The Duke of Leinster The Lord Keyes
The Earl of Lichfield The Lord Kilmarnock
The Earl of Limerick The Lord Leigh
The Earl of Lonsdale The Lord Lilford
The Marquess of Lothian The Earl of Lincoln
The Lord Margadale The Earl of Longford
The Lord Milford The Earl of Loudon
The Lord Milner of Leeds The Lord Lucas of Chilworth
The Earl of Minto The Lord McGowan
The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley The Lord Macpherson of Drumochter
The Lord Morris of Kenwood The Earl of Malmesbury
The Viscount Mountgarret The Duke of Manchester
The Lord Mowbray and Stourton The Lord Manners
The Lord Nathan The Lord Manton
The Earl Nelson The Lord May
The Lord Nelson of Stafford The Lord Merrivale
The Duke of Norfolk The Viscount Mersey
The Lord Nunburnholme The Lord Milne
The Lord Ogmore The Lord Moncreiff
The Lord Oranmore and Browne The Lord Mostyn
The Viscount of Oxfuird The Earl of Northesk
The Lord Parmoor The Earl of Perth
The Earl of Pembroke and Montgomery The Lord Raglan
The Lord Penrhyn The Lord Rankeillour
The Lord Polwarth The Lord Ravensworth
The Earl of Radnor The Lord Rennell
The Lord Revelstoke The Lord Ritchie of
Dundee
The Lord Robertson of Oakridge The Earl of Rothes
The Earl of Romney The Earl Russell
The Viscount St Davids The Lord Sackville
The Marquess of Salisbury The Viscount St Vincent
The Lord Savile The Lord Sandford
The Earl of Scarbrough The Lord Sandhurst
The Earl of Shaftesbury The Viscount Scarsdale
The Lord Shaughnessy The Viscount Selby
The Lord Shepherd The Lord Sherfield
The Lord Silsoe The Viscount Sidmouth
The Lord Spens The Lord Simon of
Wythenshawe
The Lord Strange The Lord Sinclair
The Lord Strathcarron The Viscount Soulbury
The Duke of Sutherland The Viscount Stuart of Findhorn
The Lord Swansea The Lord Tennyson
The Earl of Swinton The Lord Thomson of Fleet
The Lord Terrington The Lord Tweedsmuir
The Marquess Townshend The Lord Westbury
The Marquess of Tweeddale The Lord Wraxall
The Lord Vaux of Harrowden The Lord Wynford
The Lord Vernon The Earl
Lloyd-George of Dwyfor
The Lord Vivian The Lord
Glenconner
The Lord Wardington The Lord Acton
The Earl of Wemyss and March
The Lord Wharton
The Viscount Younger of Leckie
Raveem
Nov 18, 2010, 4:44:35 AM11/18/10
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Baron Sinha is missing, but I imagine his recent descendants haven't
gone through the verification process.
Raveem.
gone through the verification process.
Raveem.
ThomasFoolery
Nov 18, 2010, 9:56:07 PM11/18/10
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Lord Sinha succeeded on January 18, 1999, so he could have (in theory)
sat in the House of Lords.
sat in the House of Lords.
ThomasFoolery
Nov 18, 2010, 9:56:21 PM11/18/10
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Lord Sinha succeeded on January 18, 1999, so he could have (in theory)
sat in the House of Lords.
On Nov 18, 4:44 am, Raveem <ism...@raveem.com> wrote:
sat in the House of Lords.
On Nov 18, 4:44 am, Raveem <ism...@raveem.com> wrote:
marquess
Nov 19, 2010, 4:37:24 AM11/19/10
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Have they ever bothered apart from the 2nd Baron?
marquess
Nov 19, 2010, 4:38:17 AM11/19/10
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That makes nice reading, a list of hereditary peers.
ThomasFoolery
Nov 19, 2010, 9:59:07 PM11/19/10
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It's for reference: sorry.
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