Baron Mowbray, Stourton and Segrave, (d. Jan 2021).

[www.maltagenealogy.com]

as per Yorkshire Post: https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/people/obituary-lord-mowbray-3114187

Lord Mowbray, Segrave and Stourton, who has died at 67 following a fall at home, was part of the family which runs the annual Allerton Park Horse Trials at Knaresborough.

[bx...@yahoo.com]

Who is the heir presumptive to the new baron, who is newly engaged and without brothers?

Thanks.

Brooke

[marquess]

His sisters are all co-heirs.

[Henry W]

I believe all three titles were created by Writ, so can be inherited on the female line.  In this case all 4 sisters of the new Baron are co-heirs presumptive to all 3 titles.

Baron Stourton is unusual as a title created by Writ that has nonetheless managed to stay on the male line

[colinp]

According to the Complete Peerage the barony of Stourton was created by patent with limitation to the heirs male of the body of the grantee so the hp is the new baron's uncle Hon James Alastair Stourton b 1956 div no issue

[Mark Jennings]

Good spot!  Someone should tell Wikipedia...

[bx...@yahoo.com]

Thanks, colinp.

What about the Mowbray and Segrave baronies?

Brooke

[Henry W]

Mowbray & Segrave are definitely by Writ:

- Both have been abyeant in the past

- See https://archive.org/details/completepeerage01cokagoog/page/n420/mode/2up for a scan of Complete Peerage for Baron Mowbray

I've marked the Wikipedia Stourton article with a dispute about the creation (it indeed says Writ, and I trusted it, shame on me!)

 - Burke's & Debrett's both state or imply by Letters Patent

There seem to be conflicting accounts on the internet about this:

- Wikipedia - the article has said by Writ since creation in 2004, no original source given at the time

- Cracroft - http://www.cracroftspeerage.co.uk/stourton1448.htm - here implies by Patent as limitation is to heirs male

- but http://cracroftspeerage.co.uk/Curr%20Engl%20Barons.htm - here states by Writ.

[bx...@yahoo.com]

So does this mean the new baron's 4 sisters are co-heiresses to the Mowbray and Segrave baronies, while his uncle James is hp to the Stourton barony?

Brooke

[www.maltagenealogy.com]

Thats correct.

Stourton to male to male descent.

Mowbray and Segrave baronies to male then female descendants.

[bx...@yahoo.com]

Thank you so much, maltagenealogy.

Of course, that may all  become irrelevant in the next few years as the new baron has just gotten engaged.

Brooke

[malcolm davies]

It should be noted that the descent of the Barony of Stourton has not always been from father to son.

The 4th Baron died as an infant.He had a sister Anne who survived him but died unmarried(incidentally answering the question of how the Barony was created).The 5th Baron was his uncle.

The 9th Baron was succeeded by his brother.He married but had no children.

The 12th Baron was the grandson of the 11th Baron by his third son.

The 13th Baron was succeeded by his brother .He married but had no children.

The 14th Baron was succeeded by his nephew.Like his brother the 13th Baron,he married but had no children.

The 15th Baron was succeeded by his brother.He married but had no children.

After that the Barony has descended from father to son up to the present.

It was the 20th Baron who succeeded in having the abeyances of the Baronies of Mowbray and Seagrave in his favour.At the time the Baronies had been in abeyance for 95 years.Allthough that would be in time under the Select Committee of 1927's recommendations,Lord Stourton did not possess at least one third of either dignity,so if the abeyance had occurred after 1927 the abeyance of both baronies would not have been terminated.

[malcolm davies]

As a postscript to what I have written above it should be noted that if the 24th Baron has no children,the Baronies will go into abeyance and there is a bar on them being called out until the number of co heirs is reduced from 4 to 3 and the co heir who dies has no children.

[marquess]

Debretts Peerage 2011 states that all branches of the family are in remainder to all three baronies, no doubt this must have been an oversight on their part. If the current baron produces no male heirs then there are plenty of male collaterals to whom the Stourton barony could descend to.  Should there be more than one female heir then it is possible that the baronies could be separated by one being called out in favour of each heir. On a side note, I recall the announcement of the birth of the current baron, and the prosecution of the late baron for drink driving when out celebrating the birth of his male heir. How time flies. 

[www.maltagenealogy.com]

Can I extend this for all, according to "The Complete Peerage, vol XII, page 301-302" it states the following " He was cr 13 May 1448, Baron Stourton, of Stourton, co. Wilts, with limitation to the heirs male of his body;  furthermore Idem p.160. To maintain the dignity of himself and his heirs male he was granted all the Kings lands, pastures and woods within the forest of Groveley, Wilts, etc, etc.

[bx...@yahoo.com]

According to Debrett's online, Mowbray and Segrave can descend in the female line.  Stourton does not.

Brooke

[colinp]

With regard to Malcolm's comment above, the one third rule does not apply to a petitioner who is a child of the last holder of the dignity or a descendant of a parent of the last holder.

[dpth...@gmail.com]

Much of this has already been mentioned in earlier posts, but for what it’s worth here is what I have in part of my Norfolk page:

 

 John de Mowbray, 4th Lord Mowbray (Epworth 25 Jun 1340-1368); m.ca 1349 Elizabeth, 5th Baroness Segrave (b.Croxton Abbey 1338, predeceased husband), daughter and heiress of John de Segrave, Lord Segrave, by Margaret, Countess of Norfolk, daughter and heiress of Thomas [Plantagenet], Earl of Norfolk and Earl Marshal of England; they had issue:

 1a) John, 5th Lord Mowbray and 6th Lord Segrave, cr 1377 Earl of Nottingham (Epworth 1 Aug 1365-ca 1383)

 2a) THOMAS, cr 1383 Earl of Nottingham, 1386 Earl Marshal of England, cr 1397 Duke of Norfolk, banished in 1397, suc. his grandmother as 3rd Earl of Norfolk 1399 (22 Mar 1366-Venice 22 Sep 1399); m.1st Elizabeth Strange (d.23 Aug 1383); m.2nd Jul 1384 Elizabeth, Lady Montagu, née Fitzalan (d.8 Jul 1425)

1b) Thomas, 4th Earl of Norfolk, 2nd Earl of Nottingham, Earl Marshal, Lord Mowbray and Segrave (17 Sep 1385-executed 8 Jun 1405); m.Lady Constance Holand (d.1437)

2b) JOHN, 5th Earl of Norfolk, etc, restored in 1425 as 2nd Duke of Norfolk (1392-Epworth 19 Oct 1432); m.Lady Katherine Neville

1c) JOHN, 3rd Duke of Norfolk, etc (12 Sep 1415-6 Nov 1461); m.Lady Eleanor Bourchier (d.Nov 1474)

1d) JOHN, 4th Duke of Norfolk, etc (18 Oct 1444-Framlingham Castle 16/17 Jan 1476); m.Lady Elizabeth Talbot (d.1506/7)

1e) Anne, 8th Countess of Norfolk, 11th Baroness Mowbray and 12th Baroness Segrave (Framlingham 10 Dec 1472-Greenwich 19 Nov 1481); m.Westminster 15 Jan 1478 Prince Richard, Duke of York, who was cr 1476 Earl of Nottingham, and 1477 Duke of Norfolk (b.Shrewsbury 17 Aug 1473, presumed murdered 1483); on her death the Mowbray and Segrave Baronies went into abeyance between the heirs of her great-great-aunts

3b) Isabel; m.1st Henry, Lord Ferrers of Groby; m.2nd James, 5th Lord Berkeley; her son was cr Earl of Nottingham and Marquess of Berkeley, and Earl Marshal

4b) Margaret; m.Sir Robert Howard

1c) JOHN, 1470 Lord Howard, cr 1483 Duke of Norfolk and Earl Marshal of England, attainted 1485 (k.a.Bosworth 22 Aug 1485); m.1st Catherine de Moleyns (d.Stoke Neyland 3 Nov 1465); m.2nd Margaret Norreys, née Chedworth (d.1494); note: according to a decision of the House of Lords in 1877, the abeyance in the Baronies of Mowbray and Segrave was terminated ca 1484 in his favor, citing a document wherein King Richard II called John “Duke of Norfolk, Lord Mowbray and Segrave”, but John was not so known at the time; by the 1877 decision these Baronies continued in the possession of the Howards until the death in 1777 of the 9th Duke of Norfolk, when they again went into abeyance, though none of these de jure holders actually claimed the title during this period

[www.maltagenealogy.com]

The Complete Peerage is superior to Debretts or Burkes. Though other opinions are welcome.

A list of heirs in male to male descent (BUT from the 106th Edition of Burkes - so there are likely to be deaths, births).

Remainder of the Baron Stourton13 May, 1448, England.

Holder: James Charles Peter Stourton, 25th Baron Stourton (b. 1991).

Heir: (Uncle) Hon James Alastair Stourton, (1956-.

2. (Descendant of 21st Baron). Michael Godwin Plantagenet Stourton, (1926-.

3. Thomas Michael John Stourton, (1965-.

4. Henry Matthew Stourton, (1973-.

5. John Ralph Stourton, (1930-.

6. (Descendant of 20th Baron). Nigel Edward Stourton, (1927-.

7. Edward Richard Plantagenet Stourton, (1961-

8. Nicholas Simon Stourton, (1963-.

9. Patrick Henry Stourton, (1965-.

10.(Descendant of 19th Baron). Edward Stourton, (1957-.

11. Ivo James Benedict Stourton, (1982-.

12. Thomas Edward Alexander Stourton, (1987-.

13. Julian Nicholas Stourton, (1959-.

14. Frederick John Nigel Stourton, (1994-.

15. Christopher Nigel Paul Stourton, (1965-.

16. (Descendant of 17th Baron – Vavasour Baronets of Hazelwood). Sir Eric Michel Joseph Maraduke Vavasour, 6th Baronet.

17. Joseph Ian Hugh Andre Vavasour, (1978-.

18. Thomas Bernard Andre Vavasour, (1984-.

19. Paul Vavasour, (1929-.

20. Dunstan Edward Vavasour, (1963-.

21. Oliver James Vavasour, (1991-.

22. William Alastair John Vavasour, (1995-.

23. Christopher Edward Vavasour, (1938-.

24. Phillip James Vavasour, (1964-.

25. Edward Dominic Vavasour, (1995-.

26. Simon Mark Vavasour, (1966-.

27. Harry Godfrey George Vavasour, (1997-.

28. Charles William Edward Vavasour, (1971-.

29. Hugh Gerald Vavasour, (1940-.

30. Andrew Phillip Henry Vavasour, (1968-.

31. Phillip Joseph Vavasour, (1943-.

32. Jonathan Charles Vavasour, (1982-.

33. Michael Phillip Vavasour, (1932-.

34. Gerald Joseph Vavasour, (1956-.

35. Daniel Vavasour, (1980-.

36. Alexander Vavasour, (1990-.

37. Phillip Charles Dunstan Vavasour, (1960-.

38. Christopher Paul Vavasour, (1966-.

39. Bernard John Vavasour, (1933-.

40. Joseph Murray Vavasour, (1970-.

41.  Matthew Murray Vavasour, (1971-.

42. Dominic Gerard Vavasour, (1974-.

43. Gerard Bruce Vavasour, (1977-.

44. Jeremy Dunstan Trevor Vavasour, (1942-.

45. Simon John Vavasour, (1974-.

46. Peter Dunstan Vavasour, (1950-.

47. Louis Dunstan Vavasour, (1988-.

48. Felix William Vavasour, (1982-.

49. Francis William Joseph Vavasour, (1951-.

50. Rollo Charles Joseph Vavasour, (1951-.

51. Charles Edward Vavasour, (1954-.

52. (descendants of 7th Baron Stourton, if any). 

 

 

 

Reference: Burkes Peerage, 106th Edition.

[marquess]

Excellent work, now all someone with more up to date information has to do is fill in any gaps re births and deaths. An impressive barony, I had often not taken a close look at the barony due to the misleading information in Debretts which suggested that the Stourton barony was by writ and in my opinion of a very diluted descent from the original grantee (summonee). But a 1448 barony going through the male line and with plenty of heirs is rare in today's peerage. One thinks of Trimlestown which has no heirs, the De Courcy barony which has so few heirs, as to is the case with Dunsany. 

[www.maltagenealogy.com]

From the 107th Edition of Burkes Peerage:

Remainder of the Baron Stourton 13 May, 1448, England. "Heir males of the 1st Baron"

Holder: James Charles Peter Stourton, 25th Baron Stourton (b. 1991).

Heir: (Uncle) Hon James Alastair Stourton, (1956-.

2. Thomas Michael John Stourton, (1965-.

3. Henry Matthew Stourton, (1973-.

4. John Ralph Stourton, (1930-.

5. (Descendant of 20th Baron). Nigel Edward Stourton, (1937-.

6. Edward Richard Plantagenet Stourton, (1961-

7. Nicholas Simon Stourton, (1963-.

8. Patrick Henry Stourton, (1965-.

9.(Descendant of 19th Baron). Edward Stourton, (1957-.

10. Ivo James Benedict Stourton, (1982-.

11. Thomas Edward Alexander Stourton, (1987-.

12. Julian Nicholas Stourton, (1959-.

13. Frederick John Nigel Stourton, (1994-.

14. Christopher Nigel Paul Stourton, (1965-.

15. Simon Nicholas Stourton, (1932-.

16. (Descendant of 17th Baron – Vavasour Baronets of Hazelwood). Sir Eric Michel Joseph Maraduke Vavasour, 6th Baronet, (1953-.

17. Joseph Ian Hugh Andre Vavasour, (1978-.

18. Thomas Bernard Andre Vavasour, (1984-.

19. Paul Vavasour, (1929-.

20. Dunstan Edward Vavasour, (1963-.

21. Oliver James Vavasour, (1991-.

22. William Alastair John Vavasour, (1995-.

23. Christopher Edward Vavasour, (1938-.

24. Phillip James Vavasour, (1964-.

25. Edward Dominic Vavasour, (1995-.

26. Simon Mark Vavasour, (1966-.

27. Harry Godfrey George Vavasour, (1997-.

28. Jack Alexander Cecil Vavasour, (1999-.

29. Charles William Edward Vavasour, (1971-.

30. Hugh Gerald Vavasour, (1940-.

31. Andrew Phillip Henry Vavasour, (1968-.

32. Phillip Joseph Vavasour, (1943-.

32. Jonathan Charles Vavasour, (1982-.

33. Michael Phillip Vavasour, (1932-.

35. Gerald Joseph Vavasour, (1956-.

36. Daniel Vavasour, (1980-.

37. Alexander Vavasour, (1990-.

38. Phillip Charles Dunstan Vavasour, (1960-.

39. Christopher Paul Vavasour, (1966-.

40. Bernard John Vavasour, (1933-.

41. Joseph Murray Vavasour, (1970-.

42.  Matthew Murray Vavasour, (1971-.

43. Dominic Gerard Vavasour, (1974-.

44. Gerard Bruce Vavasour, (1977-.

45. Jeremy Dunstan Trevor Vavasour, (1942-.

46. Simon John Vavasour, (1974-.

47. Peter Dunstan Vavasour, (1950-.

48. Louis Dunstan Vavasour, (1988-.

49. Felix William Vavasour, (1982-.

50. Francis William Joseph Vavasour, (1951-.

51. Rollo Charles Joseph Vavasour, (1951-.

52. Charles Edward Vavasour, (1954-.

53. (descendants of 7th Baron Stourton, if any) Stourtons of Over Moigne. 

 

 

 

Reference: Burkes Peerage, 106th Edition, 107th Edition.

[pyvery]

No 4 John Ralph Stourton died in 2017

[pyvery]

No 2 michael Godwin Plantagenet died in 2001

[pyvery]

Sorry John Ralph was no 5

[colinp]

No 8 Patrick Henry Corbally Stourton died in a flying accident in Australia 2002

No 14 Christophe(r) m 1992 and has a son Samuel Ivo George b 2000

[colinp]

From the House of Lords Minutes of proceedings 29 June 2021:

  "Baronies of Mowbray, Segrave and Stourton in the Peerage of England - The Lord Chancellor reported that James Charles Peter Stourton had established his claim to the Baronies of Mowbray, Segrave and Stourton in the Peerage of England. The Clerk of the Parliaments was accordingly directed to enter Lord Mowbray, Segrave and Stourton on the register of hereditary peers maintained under Standing Order 9(4)."

I don't think we have a date of death for the late Lord Mowbray?

[bx...@yahoo.com]

Per the Debrett's database, the baron's uncle, the Hon. James Alistair, is the heir presumptive to the Stourton barony only.

The baron's 4 sisters,  the Hon. Sarah Aubrey-Fletcher , the Hon. Isabel, the Hon. Camilla and the Hon. Francesca, are co-heiresses presumptive to the Mowbray and Segrave baronies.

Brooke

[colinp]

A probate search has revealed that Lord Mowbray died on 7 January 2021

[www.maltagenealogy.com]

what a difference from the 30th January 2021.

Thank you.

[Isabelle Maltais]

Hello. Did the current baron Stourton and wife have children ?

Thank you in advance,

Isabelle.

[bx...@yahoo.com]

I haven't found anything in the GRO index for STOURTON and SPARROW.

Brooke