SCHRODER, Baron Bruno Lionel (1933-2019)

[colinp]

Obituary Telegraph online - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2019/02/21/bruno-schroder-billionaire-head-familys-investment-bank-spent/

He was the son of Baron Helmut William Bruno SCHRODER (d 1969) (of the banking family) and Margaret Eleanor Phyllis (d 1994) dau of Major Sir Lionel Edward Hamilton Marmaduke DARELL DSO 6th Baronet of Richmond Hill (GB 1795) and Eleanor Marion EDWARDS-HEATHCOTE.  He m (1) 1969 Patricia Leonie Mary HOLT and had a dau Leonie b 1974 (2) see below

EXTRACTS FROM OBIT:

Bruno Schroder, who has died aged 86, was the billionaire proprietor of the investment bank that bore his family name, but devoted most of his life to the gentle pursuit of other interests, including the welfare of his Hebridean sporting estate.

Schroder was a great-great-grandson of Johann Heinrich Schröder, who arrived in London from his native Hamburg, aged 17, in 1802. The Schröders were a prominent Lutheran merchant family and Johann Heinrich worked as a partner in his elder brother’s trading house before founding, in 1818, J Henry Schröder & Co – which made a name for itself in the Victorian City as a manager of bond issues for international borrowers, notably in Latin America, and branched into investment business in the early 20th century.

The Schröders became Prussian barons but were naturalised as British citizens (and shed their umlaut) during the First World War.

Bruno was the only son of Helmut Schroder (1901-69), an austere figure who led the firm for many years, and steered the acquisition in 1960 of the issuing house of Helbert Wagg to create a more broadly based merchant bank. The tall, softly spoken Bruno became a main board director aged 30 in 1963, after his father had suffered a stroke, but was never best suited to a financial career and within a few years he ceased to have an executive role.

Beyond his dynastic status in the City, Bruno Schroder was perhaps best known as the proprietor of the turreted late-Victorian mansion of Dunlossit, overlooking Port Askaig on the island of Islay. Dunlossit’s wild 18,000-acre domain – chiefly given over to stalking – had been acquired by Bruno’s father from the heirs of the Scottish shipowner Nathaniel Dunlop in 1937. Bruno and his sister Charmaine, together with the children of several of their parents’ friends and a large team of nannies, spend idyllic childhood years there during the early part of the Second World War.

Bruno Lionel Schroder was born in London on January 17 1933; his mother, Margaret, was the daughter of Colonel Sir Lionel Darell, 6th Bt. He was educated at Cothill House prep school and Eton, where he enjoyed rowing, and did National Service as a lieutenant in the Life Guards, serving in Germany before going to University College, Oxford, to read PPE and then to Harvard Business School to take an MBA. He joined the family bank in 1960, working as a junior manager in its banking and corporate finance divisions.

Bruno Schroder married, in 1969, Patricia “Piffa” Holt, whose father was an Irish-born soldier-diplomat. Piffa Schroder took up shooting as a pastime after their marriage and became a celebrity of the long-range rifle-shooting world, competing for Ireland, winning trophies at Bisley and achieving a world record 32 consecutive bullseyes in a match at Cambridge in 1982. She was the author of a number of books on shooting, including Cocks Only, a collection of her columns from the Shooting Gazette.

Bruno and Piffa Schroder had a daughter but separated in the 1980s. Piffa kept her own accommodation at Dunlossit, where she played host to shooting parties when Bruno was elsewhere. They eventually divorced, and he married Baroness Suzanne von Maltzahn, née Mourier, who survives him along with his daughter.

Bruno Schroder, born January 17 1933, died February 20 2019 

[colinp]

From the Daily Telegraph 27 February 2019 - SCHRODER Bruno Lionel died peacefully on 20th February 2019, aged 86. A funeral service will be held for immediate family only. A memorial service will be held in London with details to be advised.

Notice placed by Leonie Fane, presumably his daughter who must now be married.

[G. Willis]

[EDIT: Added addresses for Michael F. Fane and Jack O. Fane from their probate records.]

Certainly not a source upon which one would particularly wish to rely, but this Daily Mail article- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6064589/Bruno-Schroder-85-puts-daughter-charge-420m-despite-claims-unqualified.html - includes: '(Leonie) was seemingly happily married to Eton-educated Nicholas Fane, with whom she had three young children, but she divorced him in 2014; Fane, 57, tragically died shortly afterwards.' 

Presumably this is Nicholas Francis Fane, the announcement of whose death in December 2014 appeared in the Telegraph- http://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/deaths/185155/fane-nicholas-francis (also his funeral, in January 2015- http://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/deaths/185404/fane-nicholas-francis) The listing of three children (no mention of a [former] wife) is strongly suggestive; usefully, company records show a Nicholas Francis Fane b. 1957, of Hurstbourne Park, Whitchurch, Hants., supported by one for a Leonie Kira Emma Schroder Fane (b. 1974), of that address. At one point she used both names hyphenated: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/L-57193-802

N. F. Fane's parents Mike and Daisy are mentioned in his death notice, as are his brothers Mark, Peter, and Tim. The marriage of a Michael F. Fane and Carole D. S. May took place in 1956 at Kingsclere, Hants. The Who's Who entry for Mark William Fane- http://www.ukwhoswho.com/view/10.1093/ww/9780199540884.001.0001/ww-9780199540884-e-254470/version/1 - mentions his parents as Michael Francis Fane and Carole Daisy May.

Ancestry records show a Michael Francis Fane (1929-1981); U.K. death records corroborate this. His probate record has him of Kingsmoor, Titlarks Hill, Sunningdale, Berks. The 1929 birth of a Michael F. Fane at St George Hanover Square is also recorded, mother's name 'Francis'. In 1925, Jack O. Fane married Evelyn Francis at the same place. Ancestry indicates this to be Jack Onslow Fane; he has appeared in this group- https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/peerage-news/iPyH34oQJ8U/QnyGXARABQAJ - in which discussion it is established that he was born Jack Onslow Traherne (1900-1984), and several aristocratic descents and links are given. The Fane descent is from the 8th Earl of Westmorland.

Royal Ancestry posted in that thread: 'Jack Onslow Fane (25 Aug 1900 - 05 Feb 1984) was, indeed, son of Muriel Ellen Traherne (née Harvey; ≈1880-1938), whose first husband (m. 1896; div. 1902) was Capt. Onslow Powell Traherne (1866-1950). When Jack was born, his father, Cecil William Francis Fane (1856-1914), was married to Lady Augusta Rous (1858-1950). They divorced in 1904. Cecil W. F. Fane and Muriel E. Harvey married on 19 Nov. 1904, 4 years after their son's birth.' This post was followed by Mary-Ann, who contributed:

'Found this bit of information:

SOCIETY DIVORCE ECHO.

RENUNCIATION OF SURNAME.

By the following curious advertisement a society divorce which created considerable interest in England a few years ago is recalled:—

"I, Muriel Ellen Fane, of Beauford Gardens, in the County of London, wife of Cecil Francis William Fane, formerly wife of Onslow Powell Traherne, late of Greenstreet, Park Lane, in the same county, hereby gives public notice as follows:— Whereas I have the custody of Jack Osborne Traherne, who was born on the 25th day of August, 1900, and of Angela Maude Traherne, who was born on the 17th day of October, 1901, and who are issue of the marriage of the said Onslow Powell Traherne and myself. Now I hereby give public notice on behalf of the said issue or children of the said marriage, and of myself, as their guardian, that they, the said children, shall and will renounce, reliquish, and abandon as from the date hereof the said surname of Traherne, and shall and will assume and adopt henceforth tho surname Fane, and shall and will on all occasions whatsoever subscribe the name of Fane instead of tho name of Traherne. — MURIEL ELLEN FANE."

Mr. Cecil Francis William Fane married in 1880 Lady Augusta Rous, eldest daughter of the late Earl of Stradbroke, and sister'of the present peer. That marriage was dissolved in 1904 on the petition of Lady Augusta, who has two sons. Mr. Traherne had also obtained a divorce three years earlier.

New Zealand Herald, Volume XLIX, Issue 15098, 14 September 1912, Supplement'

Despite the mention of the name 'Jack Osborne Traherne', his death record at any rate gives 'Onslow'. The probate record has him of East Oakley House, Oakley, Hants.

[marquess]

Does anyone have a family chart of all those members of the family bearing the 1868 Prussian baronial title?

[www.maltagenealogy.com]

[G. Willis]

Interesting, thanks! A long post follows, but not without some value I think.

Bruno Schroder's paternal grandfather was Baron Bruno Schröder (1867-1940), who married Emma Deichmann. The below source indicates his father to be Baron Johann Rudolph Schröder (1821-1887), who married 1849, Clara Louisa Schröder; from the pedigree Mr Said-Vassallo provides, we see that Clara Louisa was fourth daughter of John Henry (Johann Heinrich) Schroder, for whom the barony was created. Who were Baron Johann Rudolph Schröder's parents? We can imagine based on the marriage date and those of her siblings that Clara Louisa was of a not vastly different age from her husband; even if they were first cousins, why would Johann Rudolph be a baron, that being only granted to Clara's father rather than a hypothetical shared grandfather? Was there another completely separate (von) Schroder barony?

From a book called Schroders: Merchants & Bankers by Richard Roberts (thus, one would imagine, being dedicated to the subject, pretty accurate!)- descent from Johann Rudolph (I) to Bruno Lionel Schroder: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=pcS-DAAAQBAJ&pg=PA518&dq=Bruno+Schroder+Emma+dEICHMANN&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjylObXwuPgAhX1URUIHT_QAPIQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q=Bruno%20Schroder%20Emma%20dEICHMANN&f=false

EDIT: Based on figure 5.1 in the source above, Johann Rudolph was the son of Bernard Hinrich II (1778-1824), first cousin of John Henry (Johann Heinrich). J. H. Schroder was son of Christian Matthias I (1742-1821), whose elder brother was Bernard Hinrich I (1728-1811), father, as might be expected, of Bernard Hinrich II. Bernard Hinrich I and Christian Matthias were sons of Anthon Schröder (1697-1784), founder of Anthon Schröder & Co., merchants; he was son of Bernhard (1654-1717), a tobacco manufacturer of Verden.

Presumably another barony was created for the same family that explains Johann Rudolph Schroder being designated as such. Maybe the above will aid someone in coming across further details. Interestingly, in the 'A Note on Names and Terminology' section of the above-mentioned book, it states: 'The family name was Schröder until 1868, when Johann Heinrich Schröder, the founder, was made a baron and he and his descendants became Baron von Schröder. Although the 'von' was used by the family in Germany, they never used it in England or the United States. Helmut Schroder, who was born in England, dropped the umlaut upon his marriage in 1930. Since the death of Baron Bruno Schröder in 1940, all the family have used the spelling Schroder.'

This implies the only barony was granted to Johann Henry, as reflected in Mr Said-Vassallo's Burke's source. Perhaps Johann Rudolph merely used it as a (surely unjustified?) courtesy title to indicate his relationship to these Schroders, as one sees often enough.

[marquess]

As the late Bruno had only one daughter, are there any other living members of the family entitled to the 1868 barony?

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 4:44:37 AM UTC+7, colinp wrote:

[G. Willis]

Based on the Burke's pedigree, only any male-line descendants of Charles Henry (b. 1826), he having had five sons, two at least 'with issue' (unspecified), so possibly some, and male descendants of the son of the 3rd Baron, William Henry (b. 1867), John Henry William Charles (1900-1977).

Looking into it, J. H. W. C. Schroder seems to have taken the name 'Hopwood' from his mother's side, implying he didn't stand to gain anything by remaining a Schroder, perhaps to inherit Hopwood Hall from his maternal grandfather, Edward Robert Gregge-Hopwood (although sources imply the family left the Hall in 1923, this despite E. R. Gregge-Hopwood apparently living until 1942); why he wouldn't have inherited the barony isn't clear to me. He married, in 1938, Catherine (1906-), dau. of Craufuird George Graham Hutchison, of Balmaghie, Kirkcudbrights., and Marjorie Haigh, dau. of Sir John Wood, 1st Bt. Their daughter, Philippa Margery G. Hopwood (per company records; don't know why it's a different spelling from that of her mother), was born 1943. She married, in 1967, Richard G. G. Haslam, and they have three sons, whose births were registered with the surname 'Haslam-Hopwood'. Given the subsequent marriage in 2000 of a Richard G. G. Haslam-Hopwood, and the death in 2006 of a Richard George G. Haslam-Hopwood b. 1941 (company records indicate the second 'G.' to be 'Grenville'), we can conclude he took his wife's name also, before their divorce (the 2003 Times notice of their son's marriage simply states 'elder son of Mr Richard Haslam-Hopwood and Mrs Philippa Haslam-Hopwood, of Wadebridge, Cornwall'; if they were still married I think it would be worded differently, and there are no other contenders for a 'Richard G. G. Haslam-Hopwood' to have married Margaret T. S. in 2000). A lengthy digression, but I think the above establishes that this branch of the Schroders- that descending from the 3rd Baron- is to all intents and purposes extinct.

Thus the only potential Barons would be amongst the male-line descendants of Charles Henry (b. 1826), as aforementioned.

With regard to Bruno Lionel Schroder's line, I'm still not quite sure how his great-grandfather Johann Rudolf, who married Clara Louisa, dau. of the 1st Baron, was himself a (courtesy) baron; I can't find anything- not least in the dedicated book on the family and their business affairs mentioned above- referring to Johann Rudolf as a baron; that's not definitive, maybe, but it's a strong indication in my book. He's given as 'Baron Johann Rudolf Schroder' rather than 'Johann Rudolf, Baron von Schroder', so it seems rather than holding a title it's a courtesy one; the problem is I can't identify any of his ancestors from whom such a courtesy would derive. Unless somehow he became (unofficially?) entitled to use 'Baron' on his marriage to the daughter of a Baron, which seems somewhat doubtful, at least to me, knowing not much about the Continental stuff.

[G. Willis]

The descendants of Charles Henry [Carl Heinrich] (1826-1909) Schroder and Bertha Victoria Muller, showing several male lines that may have continued past what is shown here: https://gw.geneanet.org/cvpolier?lang=en&n=von+schroeder&oc=0&p=johann+heinrich

[G. Willis]

Sorry, a minor point, but in my last post but one Richard G. G. Haslam-Hopwood m. 2000, Margaret T. S. Brown.

[dpth...@gmail.com]

Sorry for being late, but somehow I had missed this. Below is some genealogy from the German sources. Bruno Lionel von Schröder WAS descended from Heinrich, who was created Freiherr [Baron] in 1868, but only through Heinrich’s daughter Clara. Clara married a distant cousin, Johann Rudolf Schröder, and two of their sons were created Freiherren [Barons] in 1905 and 1904, respectively.

  

2.Johann Heinrich Schröder, 1868 Frhr von Schröder (Hamburg 8 Dec 1784-Hamburg 28 Jun 1883); m.Hamburg 26 Jan 1819 Henriette von Schwartz (Hamburg 7 Jun 1798-Hamburg 5 Jan 1889 [per 1891-1923 GGT; 5 Jan 1888, per 1890 Nekrolog]); naturalized as British subject 1864

2.1.Helene (Hamburg 27 Dec 1819-Altona-Ottensen 30 Nov 1909); m.Hamburg 13 Sep 1838 Bernhard Donner (d. Altona 27 Nov 1865), “a Danish privy councilor”

2.2.Henriette Franziska (5 Oct 1821-Hamburg 11 Feb 1902); m.4 Jun 1840 [4 Jun 1844, per 1903 GGT] Anton Schröder (d.Hamburg 12 Feb 1902 [10 Dec 1896, per 1903 GGT])

2.3.Eveline Sophie (26 Apr 1823-Itzehoe 26 May 1914); m.1^st 23 May 1844 Bernhard Hinrich Schröder (d.Amsterdam 15 May 1849); m.2^nd 30 Mar 1853 Charles-Pierre de Vos (d.30 Dec 1889)

2.4.Johann Heinrich Wilhelm [Sir John Henry William Schröder] (Hamburg 13 Feb 1825-“The Dell Windsor” 20 Apr 1910), cr Baronet 1892; m.London 19 Sep 1850 Dorothea Eveline Schlüßer (St.Petersburg 27 Mar 1828-London 5 Mar 1900 [per 1902 Nekrolog; 5 Dec 1900, per 1903-11 GGT])

2.5.Karl Heinrich (Othmarschen 4 Aug 1826-Wildungen 13 Jun 1909); m.Othmarschen 28 Jun 1851 Bertha Victoria Müller (St.Petersburg 24 Aug 1831-Hamburg 2 Dec 1905)

2.5.1.Johann Heinrich (Othmarschen 25 Apr 1852-1927); m.New York [San Francisco, per 1923 GGT] 28 Nov 1883 Mary-Ellen Donahue (16 Jan 1856-1925), dau of Peter Donahue, of San Francisco

2.5.1.1.Johann Heinrich (Hamburg 23 Feb 1885-1955); m.1923 (div 1950) Dorothea Frn von Schröder (1897-1986)

2.5.1.1.1.John Henry Bruno (1924-1992); m.1945 Joan Chapman (1921-1993); to UK

2.5.1.1.1.1.Johneen Christina Dorothea (1947-1948)

2.5.1.1.1.2.John Henry Richard (1949-2002); m.1982 Jessica van Hall (b.1949) à issue

2.5.1.1.1.3.Timothy Bruno, b.1953; m.1987 Ellen Charlotte Laskey (b.1957) à issue

2.5.1.2.Marion Jeannette Isabelle (San Francisco 12 Mar 1886-    )

2.5.1.3.Editha Helene (San Francisco 22 Feb 1891-1927); m.1925 Paul Fritz Freytag (1878-    )

2.5.2.Johann Heinrich Karl (Othmarschen 30 Jun 1854-    )

2.5.3.Henriette Sophie Bertha Elisabeth (Hamburg 10 Feb 1856-Dessau 7 Nov 1913); m.Hamburg 5 Apr 1877 Fritz von Kracht

2.5.4.Johann Heinrich Frederick (Hamburg 10 Mar 1857-Berne 29 May 1903); m.Hamburg 30 Jan 1883 Harriet Milberg (Hamburg 6 Jan 1861-1934)

2.5.4.1.Johann Heinrich Friedrich (Hamburg 9 Jul 1884-    ); m.1921 Elisabeth Andreae (1884-1936)

2.5.4.2.Wanda (27 Oct 1885-25 Apr 1886)

2.5.4.3.Johann Heinrich Hans (Hamburg 6 Nov 1887-    )

2.5.4.4.Johann Heinrich Kurt Theodor (Hamburg 24 Nov 1889-1966); m.Köln 22 Apr 1913 Ottilie Maria Edith von Schnitzler (Köln 22 Jul 1892-1951)

2.5.4.4.1.Harriet Ottilie Edith Eveline (Bonn 27 Mar 1914-    )

2.5.4.4.2.Charlotte Erika Editha (Bonn 22 Nov 1917-    ); m.1940 Ferdinand Frhr von Lüdinghausen-Wolff (1910-1977)

2.5.4.4.3.Wanda Elisabeth Freda Anna-Maria (Bonn 16 Jan 1920-2016); m.1945 Tessen von Gerlach (1911-    )

[?2.5.4.4.4.Johann Heinrich Kurt-Frederic (1900-1946)]

2.5.4.5.Johann Heinrich Karl Herbert (Hamburg 10 Feb 1894-1967); m.Köln 4 Jan 1921 Erika von Schnitzler (Köln 28 Nov 1900-1990)

2.5.4.5.1.Johann Heinrich Frederic Richard (Köln 8 Jan 1922-k.a.1943)

2.5.4.5.2.Johann Heinrich Carl (1924-2013); m.1^st 1953 Erika Rieber (1929-1981); m.2^nd 1986 Brigitte Wulff (1934-    ); he adopted a son: Bernhard Carl Heinrich “Freiherr von Schröder”, b.1957,m.Katrin Hirschgänger (1962-2019), and had Carlos Karl, b.1995

2.5.4.5.3.Elisabeth Henriette (1928-    ); m.1950 Otto Harald Siems (1921-    )

2.5.4.6.Johann Heinrich Helmuth Adolph (Berne 20 Jul 1898-1964); m.1942 Betty von Tschammer u.Osten (1914-    ) à issue

2.5.5.Franziska Eveline (21 Feb 1861-20 Aug 1901); m.Hamburg 21 Oct 1879 Carl Heinrich Johann Frhr von Merck

2.5.6.Johann Heinrich George (Hamburg 24 Feb 1867-1940); m.1^st Köln 19 Nov 1904 Helene Deichmann (Köln 26 Sep 1872-Hamburg 6 Apr 1907); m.2^nd 1 Aug 1912 Emily Merck, widowed Gfn von Unruh (Hamburg 9 Jan 1886-1966)

2.5.6.1.Bertha-Maria Christine Helene (Neuhaus 27 Apr 1906-1991); m.1938 Herbert Merck (1900-    )

2.5.6.2.Johann Heinrich Georg Jasper (Neuhaus 31 Aug 1913-    ); m.1949 Andreas von Klot-Heydenfeldt (1925-    )

2.5.6.2.1.Bettina-Marei, b.1950; m.1977 Christian Schröder (b.1947)

2.5.6.2.2.Andreas Wolfgang, b.1953; m.1977 Gabriele von Wahl (b.1950) à issue

2.5.7.Johann Heinrich Alexander Adolf Moritz (Hamburg 3 Feb 1870-Berlin 17 Mar 1918); m.Hamburg 28 Dec 1901 Katharina Hatch, div. Cutter (New York 8 Feb 1873-Berlin 5 Mar 1918)

 

2.6.Clara Luise (Hamburg 9 Oct 1829-Othmarscen-Altona 18 Apr 1910); m.Hamburg 3 Oct 1849 Johann Rudolf Schröder (d.9 Apr 1887;)

 

1.Johann Rudolf, 1905 Frhr von Schröder (Hamburg 27 Jan 1852-1938); m.Erbistock Hall 14 Sep 1876 Harriet Ann Brancker (Erbistock Hall, No Wales 6 Aug 1853-1940)

1.1.Harriet Kate (Hamburg 27 Sep 1877-1931); m.Hamburg 6 Apr 1899 Eduard Eggers (1866-    )

1.2.Johann Rudolph (Nienstedten 28 Sep 1878-1966); m.Köln 6 Apr 1907 Julinka Stein (Köln 5 May 1881-1953)

1.2.1.Johann Rudolph (Hamburg 1 May 1908-1982); m.1^st 1938 (div 1951) Vera von Bonin (1916-    ); m.2^nd 1951 Karin-Blanka von Zitzewitz (1919-    )

1.2.1.1.Harriet Anna Verena, b.1939; m.1965 László Hollán de Kislöd (1936-    )

1.2.1.2.Sylvia Vera, b.1941; m.1^st 1964 (div 1976) Helmold Frhr von Plessen (1935-    ); m.2^nd 1977 (div 1988) Ernst-Josef Pauw (1938-    )

1.2.1.3.Angelika Julinka, b.1944; m.1^st 1965 (div 1987) Andreas Gf von Dönhoff (1935-2007); m.2^nd 1993 Hermann Gf von Dönhoff, adopt. Gf von Hatzfeld-Dönhoff (1941-    )

1.2.1.4.Marina Blanca Catharina, b.1953; m.1^st 1977 (div 1992) Miguel Spitzy (b.1948); m.2^nd 1995 Franz Gf von Seilern u.Aspang (b.1955)

1.2.1.5.Johann Rudolph Christian Alexander, b.1956; m.1985 Sabine Schmitz (b.1955) à issue

1.2.2.Rudolph Manfred (Hamburg 11 Jun 1914-1996); m.1^st 1939 (div 1948) Eleonore Renata Gfn von Pückler (1919-1997); m.2^nd 1948 Benita von Samson-Himmelstjerna (1923-    ) --> issue

1.2.3.Ingrid Julinka (Hamburg 24 Jun 1916-1991); m.1938 Manfred Edler Hr u.Frhr von Plotho (1908-1987)

1.3.Rudolph Edgar (27 May 1884-d. in Lazarett Montmédy 28 May 1916 of wounds received in action)

1.4.Rudolph William (Nienstedten a.d.E. 26 Sep 1889-    )

2.Ernst (1858-1936) à issue, Mecklenburg adelstand 1904

3.Rudolph Bruno, 1904 Frhr von Schröder (Hamburg 14 Mar 1867-1940); m.Köln 5 Apr 1894 Emma Deichmann (Köln 14 Mar 1870-1944); to UK

3.1.Rudolph Bruno (London 1894 [5 Jan 1895, per 1909-23 GGT]-k.a. Pofost, Russia 25 Sep 1915)

3.2.Helena Dorothea Eveline Emma (London 14 Mar 1897-1986); m.1923 (div 1950) Heinrich Frhr von Schröder (1885-1955)

3.3.Marga Marie Hilda (London 28 Oct 1898-    )

3.4.Helmut William Bruno (London 18 Jan 1901-1969); m.1930 Margaret Darell (1904-1995), dau of Sir Lionel Darell, 6^th Bt.

3.4.1.Bruno Lionel (1933-20 Feb 2019); m.1^st 1969 Patricia Holt (b.1942);m.2^nd Suzanne von Maltzahn, née Mourier, whose mother was a Reventlow --> issue

3.4.2.Charmaine Brenda, b.1935; m.1958 Georg-Wilhelm von Mallinckrodt (1930-2021)

  

2.7.Henriette (6 Jan 1836-Hohenstein bei Eckernförde 19 Jul 1899); m.1^st 24 May 1855 Theodor Heinrich Milberg (d.29 Oct 1868 [27 Oct 1868 , per 1873-1901 GGT and 1900 Nekrolog]); m.2^nd 22 Mar 1879 Adolf Godeffroy [Goddefroy, per Burke’s] (d.Hamburg 13 Dec 1893)

2.8.Olga Sophie (Hamburg 9 Jun 1838-    ); m.Hamburg 12 May 1858 [per most GGTs; 12 May 1848!, per 1903 GGT] Karl Leopold Marius Moritz von Abercron (d.Testorf 17 Nov 1913 [18 Nov 1913, per 1923 GGT])

2.9.Wilhelm Heinrich (Othmarschen 14 Aug 1841-The Rookery 11 Jan 1912); m.16 Oct 1866 Marie Horny (Odessa 12 Jun 1845 [22 Jun 1845, per 1895-1923 GGT]-1927); to UK; he received permission to use Baronial title in UK 1890

2.9.1.William Henry (Hartford Grange 25 Oct 1867-1945); m.Hopwood Hall 16 Jul 1896 Judith Gregge-Hopwood (Hopwood Hall 1875-1966), dau of Edward Robert Gregge-Hopwood, of Hopwood Hall

2.9.1.1.Margery (The Rookery 19 May 1897-    ); m.1^st Worleston 21 Dec 1920 (div 1931) Ralph Gore; m.2^nd 1931 Sir George Earle (1890-    )

2.9.1.2.John Henry William Charles, as heir to grandfather took surname 1919 “Hopwood” (The Rookery 28 Apr 1900-1977); m.1938 Catherine Graham Hutchison (1906-    )

2.9.1.2.1.Philippa Margery Graham Hopwood, b.1943; m.1967 Richard Grenville Haslam, 1968 “Hopwood”

2.9.1.3.Daphne Victoria (1913-    ); m.1^st 1935 John Platt (k.a.1943); m.2^nd 1943 John MacKenzie (1901-1955)

2.9.2.Irma Harriet (The Rookery 9 Sep 1874-    ); m.Rookery 6 Jun 1899 Ernest Sinclair Pilkington (1870-1932)

[dpth...@gmail.com]

See here and pages following

https://archive.org/details/gothaischesgenea73unse/page/n1163/mode/2up

for the state of the family as of the 1923 Gothaisches Genealogisches Handbuch.

[marquess]

Thank you!