Mr S.A.F. Barry and Lady Lucy French
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Turenne
Mar 19, 2011, 12:01:25 PM3/19/11
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The engagement is announced between Simon, son of Mr and Mrs Anthony
Barry, of Hungerford, Berkshire, and Lucy, daughter of the late Earl
of Ypres and the Countess of Ypres, of Hampstead, London.
RL
Barry, of Hungerford, Berkshire, and Lucy, daughter of the late Earl
of Ypres and the Countess of Ypres, of Hampstead, London.
RL
Shinjinee
Mar 23, 2011, 4:41:00 AM3/23/11
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Do you have more information on Lady Lucy French? I don't know much
about the earldom, other that it was a WW1 creation for a general.
Shinjinee
about the earldom, other that it was a WW1 creation for a general.
Shinjinee
Turenne
Mar 23, 2011, 6:25:53 AM3/23/11
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On 23 Mar, 08:41, Shinjinee <ssenpub...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do you have more information on Lady Lucy French? I don't know much
> about the earldom, other that it was a WW1 creation for a general.
>
That said; the 1st earl Sir John French was a Field Marshal, PC KP GCB
and OM. He was also Ld-Lt of Ireland. Creations 1916; Viscount French
of Ypres, and of High Lake, 1922; Earl of Ypres. The Earldom was as
much for the work he did in Ireland through very tough times, as his
leadership during WW1.
RL
Turenne
Mar 24, 2011, 2:05:46 PM3/24/11
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> On 23 Mar, 08:41, Shinjinee <ssenpub...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Do you have more information on Lady Lucy French? I don't know much
> > about the earldom, other that it was a WW1 creation for a general.
>
> A friend does. I'll ask him.
>
"The earldom of Ypres was of course given to the WW1 Field Marshal,
who descends from a cadet branch of the French family. His kinsman is
the 8th Baron De Freyne. It is interesting that the junior branch
achieved the greatest honour, though sad that it is now extinct. Lucy
is the 3rd Earl's daughter by his second marriage and was a young girl
when her father died (and the earldom became extinct) in 1988. It is
sad that there was no special remainder (as often in peerages for
military leaders) as the last Earl left four daughters, including
three by his first marriage."
RL
Shinjinee
Mar 29, 2011, 4:21:13 AM3/29/11
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On Mar 24, 11:05 pm, Turenne <rick.lich...@virgin.net> wrote:
> > On 23 Mar, 08:41, Shinjinee <ssenpub...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Do you have more information on Lady Lucy French? I don't know much
> > > about the earldom, other that it was a WW1 creation for a general.
>
> > A friend does. I'll ask him.
>
years back!
Shinjinee
Shinjinee
Mar 29, 2011, 4:31:38 AM3/29/11
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> My friend got in touch. I shall quote him in full:
>
>
> "Lucy is the 3rd Earl's daughter by his second marriage and was a young girl
> when her father died (and the earldom became extinct) in 1988. ...the last Earl left four daughters, including
> three by his first marriage."
>
> RL
I found a picture of Lady Lucy French on Wikipedia
>
> RL
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lady_Lucy_French_Image004.jpg
According to the person who took the photo in 2009, she is the
Development Manager for the Open Air Theatre, Regent's Park, London.
She must have changed jobs, because in 2008, she was at the Hampstead
Theatre
[http://www.release.org.uk/about/ourpeople/trustees]
A more flattering photo (and an article ) about her from 2001.
http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0500liverpoolfc/z0970fiveaside/2001/06/27/lady-lucy-french-50061-11119021/
Another picture from 2007
http://wooller.com/?people=4025&id=19121
and in an outrageous hat: http://www.guardian.co.uk/gallery/galleryguide/0,6143,335267,00.html
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/51396526/AFP
On the earldom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_of_Ypres
As Turenne said, the last Earl (grandson of the Field Marshal and 1st
Earl) died in 1988 aged 66/67.
Cheers, Shinjinee
Shinjinee
Mar 29, 2011, 4:58:29 AM3/29/11
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oh, and I thought the name was familiar somehow, which is why I
asked.
Lady Lucy's grandmother was Eleanora Anna Selby-Lowndes (d. 1941), 2nd
daughter of Richard Selby-Lowndes, a descendant of George, Duke of
Clarence, and thus in the Clarence volume of the Plantagenet Roll.
[full text at http://www.archive.org/stream/rollofdescendant00fell/rollofdescendant00fell_djvu.txt]
The 1st Earl left his money by a very short will to a friend, and not
his elder son and heir the 2nd Earl, whom he apparently disapproved
of.
Sources:
Ypres peerage: http://www.cracroftspeerage.co.uk/online/content/index1929.htm
Bracknell House, home of Lord Ypres and his Selby-Lowndes wife:
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1518680
Lowndes family history: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.lowndes/lowndes/usa.html
Bletchley, old home of the Selby-Lowdnes: http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/bfss/docs/Elmers.html
Death dates: http://www.bucksstainedglass.org.uk/Indices/de1287.htm
Death dates of Richard Selby-Lowndes (1811-1892):
http://www.worldroots.com/brigitte/famous/h/henry8englanddesc-27.htm
Plantagenet Roll online
a. Google Books:
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=w9UYYThhRIQC&pg=PA474&lpg=PA474&dq=%22Geoffrey+William+Selby-Lowndes%22&source=bl&ots=mo3i52_hx8&sig=MugDQvoiyd7em12ZYOHFdZqqiRU&hl=en&ei=DJ6RTdecLIi7cdjB-IkH&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Geoffrey%20William%20Selby-Lowndes%22&f=false
b. http://www.archive.org/stream/rollofdescendant00fell/rollofdescendant00fell_djvu.txt
Descent (copied from the Lowndes family history page) *only for the
interested*
"The Lowndes descendants are included in the Plantagenet Roll of the
Blood Royal through two lines of descendant, that of Anne Shales, who
married Charles Lowndes, Secretary of the Treasury of England, and
though her sister Essex Shales, who married William Lowndes of
Winslow, member of Parliament, born 1706, died 1775. The son of the
latter pair was William Selby-Lowdnes of Winslow and Whadden,
Buckinhamshire, born 1734, died 1813, who married Mary Goostrey, who
died 1780.
Anne and Essex Shales descended from George, Duke of Clarence, K, G,
the next brother of King Edward IV. "
[from here, I copy with some minor changes)
Essex Shales, sister of Anne Shales, who married Charles Lowndes,
Secretary of the Treasury, married Richard Lowndes of Winslow, Member
of Parliament, born in 1706 and died in 1775.
Their son, William Selby-Lowndes, of Winslow and Whaddon
Buckinghamshire, born in 1734 and died in 1813, married Mary Goostrey,
who died in 1786. His eldest son was the MP:
William Selby-Lowndes of Whaddon Hall, Member of Parliament, died in
1840. He married in 1806 2ndly, Ann Isabella Hanmer, daughter of the
Rev . Graham Hanmer, vicar of Hanmer, Flint. His yr son was
II- Richard William Selby-Lowndes of Elsmers, justice of the peace,
born [[on 2 August] 1811, died [on 9 May] 1892, married in 1842, Mary
Susan, daughter of Rev. William Fletcher, fellow of the Royal
Astronomical Society. Their children were: (1 son and a 2nd daughter)
(c) Eleanora Anna Selby-Lowndes, born in 1844, married in 1880,
Lieutenant-General Sir John Denton Pinkstone French, Knight Commander
of the Bath and of St. Michael and St. George. Their children are:
John Richard Lowndes French, Royal Field Artillery, born in 1881;
Edward Gerald Fleming French, born in 1883; Essex Eleanor French, born
in 1886.
A distant cousin of the first Countess of French was the 2nd husband
of Helena Adeane, formerly Countess of Radnor. Lady French's only
brother Richard William Selby-Lowndes married a Howard, a
granddaughter of the 16th Earl of Suffolk
"Richard William Selby-Lowndes of Elmers, Bletchley, born in 1848 [d.
1914], married in 1872, Elizabeth Frances, daughter and heir of Hon.
Henry Thomas Howard. Their children are: Cecil Richard William Selby-
Lowndes, born in 1873 [d. 1918]; Geoffrey William Selby-Lowndes, born
in 1877, married Marjory, widow of Lawrence Wright, and daughter of
William Selby-Lowndes of Whaddon Hall; Howard William Selby-Lowndes,
Lieutenant Royal Marines, born in 1870; Georgina Mary Frances Selby-
Lowndes, married C Gouldsenitu. "
Shinjinee
asked.
Lady Lucy's grandmother was Eleanora Anna Selby-Lowndes (d. 1941), 2nd
daughter of Richard Selby-Lowndes, a descendant of George, Duke of
Clarence, and thus in the Clarence volume of the Plantagenet Roll.
[full text at http://www.archive.org/stream/rollofdescendant00fell/rollofdescendant00fell_djvu.txt]
The 1st Earl left his money by a very short will to a friend, and not
his elder son and heir the 2nd Earl, whom he apparently disapproved
of.
Sources:
Ypres peerage: http://www.cracroftspeerage.co.uk/online/content/index1929.htm
Bracknell House, home of Lord Ypres and his Selby-Lowndes wife:
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1518680
Lowndes family history: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.lowndes/lowndes/usa.html
Bletchley, old home of the Selby-Lowdnes: http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/bfss/docs/Elmers.html
Death dates: http://www.bucksstainedglass.org.uk/Indices/de1287.htm
Death dates of Richard Selby-Lowndes (1811-1892):
http://www.worldroots.com/brigitte/famous/h/henry8englanddesc-27.htm
Plantagenet Roll online
a. Google Books:
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=w9UYYThhRIQC&pg=PA474&lpg=PA474&dq=%22Geoffrey+William+Selby-Lowndes%22&source=bl&ots=mo3i52_hx8&sig=MugDQvoiyd7em12ZYOHFdZqqiRU&hl=en&ei=DJ6RTdecLIi7cdjB-IkH&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Geoffrey%20William%20Selby-Lowndes%22&f=false
b. http://www.archive.org/stream/rollofdescendant00fell/rollofdescendant00fell_djvu.txt
Descent (copied from the Lowndes family history page) *only for the
interested*
"The Lowndes descendants are included in the Plantagenet Roll of the
Blood Royal through two lines of descendant, that of Anne Shales, who
married Charles Lowndes, Secretary of the Treasury of England, and
though her sister Essex Shales, who married William Lowndes of
Winslow, member of Parliament, born 1706, died 1775. The son of the
latter pair was William Selby-Lowdnes of Winslow and Whadden,
Buckinhamshire, born 1734, died 1813, who married Mary Goostrey, who
died 1780.
Anne and Essex Shales descended from George, Duke of Clarence, K, G,
the next brother of King Edward IV. "
[from here, I copy with some minor changes)
Essex Shales, sister of Anne Shales, who married Charles Lowndes,
Secretary of the Treasury, married Richard Lowndes of Winslow, Member
of Parliament, born in 1706 and died in 1775.
Their son, William Selby-Lowndes, of Winslow and Whaddon
Buckinghamshire, born in 1734 and died in 1813, married Mary Goostrey,
who died in 1786. His eldest son was the MP:
William Selby-Lowndes of Whaddon Hall, Member of Parliament, died in
1840. He married in 1806 2ndly, Ann Isabella Hanmer, daughter of the
Rev . Graham Hanmer, vicar of Hanmer, Flint. His yr son was
II- Richard William Selby-Lowndes of Elsmers, justice of the peace,
born [[on 2 August] 1811, died [on 9 May] 1892, married in 1842, Mary
Susan, daughter of Rev. William Fletcher, fellow of the Royal
Astronomical Society. Their children were: (1 son and a 2nd daughter)
(c) Eleanora Anna Selby-Lowndes, born in 1844, married in 1880,
Lieutenant-General Sir John Denton Pinkstone French, Knight Commander
of the Bath and of St. Michael and St. George. Their children are:
John Richard Lowndes French, Royal Field Artillery, born in 1881;
Edward Gerald Fleming French, born in 1883; Essex Eleanor French, born
in 1886.
A distant cousin of the first Countess of French was the 2nd husband
of Helena Adeane, formerly Countess of Radnor. Lady French's only
brother Richard William Selby-Lowndes married a Howard, a
granddaughter of the 16th Earl of Suffolk
"Richard William Selby-Lowndes of Elmers, Bletchley, born in 1848 [d.
1914], married in 1872, Elizabeth Frances, daughter and heir of Hon.
Henry Thomas Howard. Their children are: Cecil Richard William Selby-
Lowndes, born in 1873 [d. 1918]; Geoffrey William Selby-Lowndes, born
in 1877, married Marjory, widow of Lawrence Wright, and daughter of
William Selby-Lowndes of Whaddon Hall; Howard William Selby-Lowndes,
Lieutenant Royal Marines, born in 1870; Georgina Mary Frances Selby-
Lowndes, married C Gouldsenitu. "
Shinjinee
marquess
Mar 29, 2011, 7:17:48 AM3/29/11
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Special remainders for military men of high standing as was the case
with Sir John are usually given when the grantee has no male heir, i.e
Kitchener and Jellicoe and the earldom of Nelson is another example.
with Sir John are usually given when the grantee has no male heir, i.e
Kitchener and Jellicoe and the earldom of Nelson is another example.
Turenne
Mar 29, 2011, 9:56:37 AM3/29/11
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On 29 Mar, 12:17, marquess <marquessmarqu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Special remainders for military men of high standing as was the case
> with Sir John are usually given when the grantee has no male heir, i.e
> Kitchener and Jellicoe and the earldom of Nelson is another example.
RL
marquess
Mar 29, 2011, 10:17:14 AM3/29/11
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The Marlborough dukedom has the most generous remainder of all, and
will probably remain extant as long England itself! Would that all
peerages had such remainders.
will probably remain extant as long England itself! Would that all
peerages had such remainders.
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