JOHNSTON baronets of Caskieben (cr 1626 NS)

[Henry W]

In addition to my post here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/Peerage-News/g7juRrgYk6A which details the death of one of the collaterals, I have been trying to establish more details about this family - there appear to be many males in remainder in their 50s/60s who never married with the youngest person in remainder being born 1965. This is all complicated by the fact that the family largely resides in the US (mostly Alabama) and so the standard sources have lost touch with the family.

Those in remainder, with my notes of what I have discovered:

0. Sir Thomas Alexander JOHNSTON, 14th Baronet (born 1956)  - there is a Thomas Alexander Johnston, age 63 (correct age), resident in Mobile, AL, listed as related to a Helen Johnston, who may well be his wife.

1. William Norville JOHNSTON (born 1955), a g-gs of the 11th Baronet. Unable to locate anything substantial.

#. Stephen Gregory JOHNSTON (1958-2019) - brother of William Norville, deceased per above link. 1 wife, Elizabeth. Possibly 3 dau.

2. Paul Brady JOHNSTON (born 1959), youngest brother of William Norville. Sleuthing shows up a Paul Brady Johnston, age 60 (correct), resident in Spring, TX, and previously resident in Mobile, AL. He is shown as related to Kathryn, Marsha, Albert, Megan, Sarah (all surname Johnston). If this is correct it seems likely that Albert is his son, and a potential new younger heir. 

# Claude Edward JOHNSTON (1930 - 2007) - uncle of the preceding 3 brothers. I am unsure if his death has been recorded in recent Debrett's, however https://obits.dallasnews.com/obituaries/dallasmorningnews/obituary.aspx?n=claude-edward-johnston&pid=86034620 gives:

JOHNSTON, , CLAUDE EDWARD Claude Edward Johnston died Sunday January 7, 2007. Rosary will be recited at 6:00pm Wednesday, Jan. 10 and The funeral mass will be held Thursday, Jan. 11 at 1:00 at St. Rita Catholic Church. Papoo, as he was affectionately called by all those who knew and loved him, was born in Mobile, AL to William and Catherine Johnston. On February 20, 1960, he married Lucy and they had a happy and fulfilling marriage. For 47 years, the strength of his commitment to family was evident in his love and devotion to them. Papoo and Noni welcomed into their home many who would share with their family in celebration of life, especially during the holidays. Papoo had strength of character, and a quick mind. He never parsed his words in the giving of an opinion, and he always had one. He loved to hold court around the kitchen table telling stories and debating anyone who took him on. He had a tender heart that fostered his sensitivity to the care and nurturing of his grandchildren, which was a central activity in his life. He was a member of St. Rita Parish were he served as lector, and CCD teacher for many years. His faith was important to him and he lived it out by spending countless hours volunteering and helping others. Survivors include his wife, six children, and seventeen grandchildren. The family requests donations in lieu of flowers to Cal Farley's Boys Ranch.

My copy of Debrett's 2003 lists all six children (2 son, 4 dau) but no details of any of the 17 (!!!) grandchildren.

3. Edward Ryan JOHNSTON (born 1961) - elder son of Claude - currently resident Fairhope, AL (previously GA & TX) - unable to find anything else substantial

4. Bernard Matthias JOHNSTON (born 1965) - younger son of Claude - currently resident Dallas, TX (previously FL). I found a Bernard M Johnston resident in Dallas, age 54 (correct) with relatives listed as A Shanon Johnston, William G Johnson (sic?), Courtney A Johnston. William may be a son but note the surname is spelt in the source without a t.

[Henry W]

A search of a popular genealogy website member trees gives more details about this family

0. Sir Thomas Alexander JOHNSTON, 14th Baronet (details not visible) listed without spouse/children.

Stephen Gregory JOHNSTON is listed with 2 spouses and 1 child (by 1st m) - details not visible

2. Paul Brady JOHNSTON. He is married to Marsha Lynn BROWN (born 1961), then listing 2 children - details not visible

Looking at the children of Claude Edward JOHNSTON - all details invisible:

- the 2nd eldest child (should be 3. Edward Ryan) is married with 3 children - again all details invisible.

- the 4th eldest child (should be 4. Bernard Matthias) is married with 3 children - again all details invisible.

[dpth...@gmail.com]

I don't have information about living dynasts, but I recently compiled all I could find on the families genealogy, so I will share it here.

And as for people in the line of succession, this creation had a remainder to heirs male whatsoever, so while Burke's and the standard gemealogies include the descendants of the first Baronet and his brother, there will also be a large unknown number of Johnston collaterals in the ine of succession, descended from the grandfather and other male-line ancestors of the 1st Baronet.

John Johnston, of that Ilk, and of Caskieben, d.4 Feb 1614; m.1^st Janet Turing; m.2^nd Katherine Lundie

[by 1^st m.]:

1.Sir George Johnston, of Caskieben, cr Baronet [S] 1626, with remainder to heirs male whatsoever, d.ca 1650?; m.Elizabeth Forbes

1.1.Sir George, 2^nd Bt., d. before 10 Jun 1695; m.by 1648 a dau of Sir William Leslie, 3^rd Bt.; he sold Caskieben

1.1.1.Sir John, 3^rd Bt., executed at Tyburn 23 Dec 1690

1.2.John, of New Place; m. ___ Johnston (below)

1.2.1.Sir John, of New Place, 4^th Bt., dspm Nov 1724; m.Apr 1683 Janet Mitchell (d.Sep 1725); he did not assume the title until 1700

1.2.1.1.John, k.a. Sheriffmuir 1715

1.2.1.2.Marjory; m.Andrew Burnett

1.2.1.3.Janet; m.Charles Forbes

[by 2^nd m.]:

2.Thomas, of Craig, d.Aug 1656; m.1^st Elspeth Strachan (dspm); m.2^nd Mary Irvine (d.Sep 1659)

2.1.Thomas, d.Jan 1686

2.2.William; m.Joanna van Millen

2.3.John (1649-1716); m.Nov 1672 Margaret Alexander

2.3.1.Sir William, of Craig, 5^th Bt. (ca 1675-18 Mar 1750); m.1704 Jean Sandilands (d.Jun 1744)

2.3.1.1.Sir William, of Hilton, 6^th Bt. (Nov 1714-19 Mar 1794); m.1^st Sarah Kirby; m.2^nd Mar 1757 Elizabeth Cleland (d.25 Aug 1772); m.3^rd Mrs Amy Pudsey, née French à 1 son (dvp) by 1^st m., 6 sons, 5 daus by 2^nd m., of whom:

2.3.1.1.1.[ex 1] son, d.an infant

2.3.1.1.2.Sir William, 7^th Bt. (Aug 1760-13 Jan 1844); m.1^st 1783/4 Mary Bacon (d.Jul 1802; she was 34 years older than her husband); m.2^nd Dec 1802 Maria Bacon (d.27 Oct 1847)

2.3.1.1.2.1.Sir William Bacon, 8^th Bt. (17 Mar 1806-3 Aug 1865); m.11 Sep 1855 Mary Ann Tye (d.11 Oct 1903)

2.3.1.1.2.1.1.Sir William, 9^th Bt. (31 Jul 1849-22 Nov 1917)

2.3.1.1.2.1.2.Emily, d.13 Feb 1934

2.3.1.1.2.1.3.Clara, d.15 Aug 1930; m.26 Mar 1868 James Fergusson (d.1886)

2.3.1.1.2.1.4.Mary Anne, d.13 May 1933; m.5 Jun 1872 Alfred Edward Watts (d.1926)

2.3.1.1.2.1.5.Maria, d.20 Aug 1834; m.7 Dec 1878 David Reid (d.182)

2.3.1.1.2.1.6.Alice; m.24 Jan 1880 Alexander Philip (d.19 Nov 1904)

2.3.1.1.2.1.7.Jane, d.31 Mar 1927; m.28 Apr 1880 Forbes Manson

2.3.1.1.2.2.D’Arcy, d.in India 30 Sep 1830

2.3.1.1.2.3.Arthur Lake, d.21 Feb 1853

2.3.1.1.2.4.Georgine Frances Amy, d.11 Feb 1897; m.John Collyer (d.1870)

2.3.1.1.2.5.Anna Maria, d.8 Mar 1884; m.Patrick Wilson Bannerman, of the Baronets (18 Dec 1794-16 Sep 1854)

2.3.1.1.2.6.Clara, d.26 Nov 1862; m.Edward Lake, son of Sir J Lake, 4^th Bt.

2.3.1.1.2.7.Emily, d.10 Aug 1908

2.3.1.1.3.Alexander, d.at sea

2.3.1.1.4.Mary Selby; m.Peter Gourlay

2.3.1.1.5.Elinor Sandilands; m.Rev. William Uvedale

2.3.2.John; m.1717 Isobel Marnoch

2.3.2.1.John (6 Feb 1725-1770); m.Margaret Chalmers (d.1812)

2.3.2.1.1.William (Jan 1762-24 Feb 1832); m.24 Oct 1801 Catherine Morice (d.25 Mar 1855)

2.3.2.1.1.1.David Morice (19 May 1804-21 Feb 1863)

2.3.2.1.1.2.Alexander (4 Jun 1809-14 Jun 1880); m.1 Jan 1836 Christina Martha Ross (d.21 Apr 1878)

2.3.2.1.1.3.Robert (16 Dec 1810-24 Feb 1887); m.7 Jul 1835 Mary Hadden (d.8 Jan 1872)

2.3.2.1.1.3.1.William (16 Apr 1843-26 Dec 1914); m.1882 Charlotte Arnott

2.3.2.1.1.3.2.Sir George, 10^th Bt. (21 Apr 1849-11 May 1921); m.15 Nov 1876 Agnes Elizabeth Sparkes (d.28 May 1922)

2.3.2.1.1.3.3.Elizabeth, d.1 Mar 1907

2.3.2.1.1.3.4.Catharine, d.17 Jan 1900; m.23 Sep 1869 James Allardyce (d.6 Mar 1910)

2.3.2.1.1.3.5.Mary, d.Nov 1847

2.3.2.1.1.3.6.Mary Jane, d.16 Jun 1897

2.3.2.1.1.4.Rachel, d.15 Dec 1886; m.26 Mar 1835 Sir Alexander Anderson (d.11 Apr 1887)

2.3.2.1.1.5.Margaret, d.28 Oct 1876; m.1 Aug 1837 John Grahame Buchanan (d.20 Jan 1874)

2.3.2.1.2.Andrew (1769-1845); m.1794 Margaret Inglis

2.3.2.1.2.1.William (1795-1865); m.1818 Ann Craig

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.William (1822-k.in a hurricane Sep 1906); m.NN; to USA

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.Sir Thomas Alexander, 11^th Bt. (15 Dec 1857-20 Dec 1950); m.1887 Mary Ann Norville (d.1949)

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.Sir Thomas Alexander, 12^th Bt. (3 May 1888-12 Apr 1959); m.1915 Pauline Burke Sheldon (d.Sep 1968)

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.Sir Thomas Alexander, 13^th Bt. (7 Sep 1916-1984); m.16 Jul 1941 Helen Torrey Du Bois

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.Sir Thomas Alexander, 14^th Bt. (1 Feb 1956-    )

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.2.Helen Du Bois (12 Jul 1944-    ); m.2 Aug 1969 Philip Thomas Sargent

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.3.Lesley Sheldon (1951-2012); m.1972 David Charles Krempa

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.2.Dianne Johnston (1926-    ); m.1948 Samuel H Andrews III

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.3.Pauline Sheldon (Feb 1929-1980); m.Dec 1947 Leroy C Baggett, Jr. (14 Feb 1927-2 Mar 1988)

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.William Norville (1894-20 Mar 1959); m.1921 Catherine Murray

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.William Norville (11 Jul 1922-1989); m.14 Jun 1952 Kathrine Pauline Solberg

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.William Norville, b.25 Dec 1955

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.2.Stephen Gregory, b.1958

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.3.Paul Brady, b.1959

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.4.Kathryn Mary, b.1953

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.2.Claude Edward (18 Jan 1930-    ); m.20 Feb 1960 Lucy Mahorner à issue

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.3.Marion Margaret (29 Jun 1924-    ); m.13 Jun 1955 Thomas Ross Johnson

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.4.Helen Jean (10 Oct 1926-    ); m.13 Apr 1955 William Earle Bidez

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.3.Frederick Rukard (1897-30 Aug 1962); m.1925 Grace McRae

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.Frederick Rukard (16 Jan 1936-7 Jun 1936)

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.3.2.Joyce Rukard (1926-    ); m.1 May 1951 Wallace Abney Burgess

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.3.3.Mary Norville (1928-    )

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.4.Aquilla Norville (1900-1967); m.1957 Mary Agnes Mackay

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.5.Kenneth Douglas (1902-    )

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.6.Emily Frances (1889-    ); m.Flarrie Green Watson

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.7.Isabel Ladnier (1892-Sep 1969)

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.2.John (1865-1929); m.1898 Katherine Anna Terrell (d.1950)

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.2.1.Madeline Frances (1898-    ); m.1918 Thomas Hansford Gordon Powers

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.2.2.Adelaide Isabelle (1901-    ); m.1922 Clarence Eugene Northcutt

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.3.Curtis Ladnier

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.4.Margaret Cora (1867-    ); m.1^st 1890 James P Johnston (d.1893); m.2^nd 1911 Charles H Harris

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.5.Sarah (1869-    )

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.6.Celestine (1876-    )

2.3.2.1.2.1.2.Andrew (1835-1870); m.1864 Helen Stewart (d.12 Mar 1913)

2.3.2.1.2.1.2.1.William Andrew (1868-6 Mar 1913)

2.3.2.1.2.1.2.2.Helen

2.3.2.1.2.1.2.3.Mary Margaret

2.3.2.1.2.1.3.Thomas; m.NN à issue

2.3.2.1.2.1.3.1.William

2.3.2.1.2.2.Andrew, d.1876

2.4.James à

2.5.dau m.John Johnston (above)

3.Margaret; m. J Cheyne

[Henry W]

Thanks for this useful information dpth.  I was aware that the remainder was heirs whatsoever so extinction is never truly possible (or at least truly provable), however, if there is not existing genealogical work done on the generations prior to John Johnston (d 1614) then I imagine finding others in remainder will be difficult if not impossible to prove.

Netty has found a little more information, confirming Paul Brady's marriage to Marsha, and giving William Norville's wife as Lorraine. There may be evidence this final couple are now resident in Ohio.

[Netty Leistra]

Samuel Henry Andrews III "Buddy" died on 8 April 2011 at home (Citronelle, AL, USA), aged 85. Son of Samuel H. Andrews Jr and Bernice Jackson Andrews. Also predeceased by his sister Lucia Andrews Doby. Funeral service: Citronelle United Methodist Church on 11 April 2011. Interment: Citronelle United Methodist Cemetery.

He is mourned:

• as husband by Dianne Johnston Andrews
  
• as father by Samuel H. Andrews IV (and Lynn), Bruce S. Andrews (and Jeanie), Paula Buerger (and Tres), Lucia Delchamps (and Al), John Andrews (and Wanda), Mark Andrews (and Pam)
  
• as grandfather by 17: Jason Andrews and Brian Andrews; Ken Andrews; Claude Buerger and Lauren Buerger; Freddie Delchamps, Vivian Delchamps and Alistair Delchamps; Adam Andrews; Katie Andrews James; Tyler Andrews and Rachel Andrews; Joshua Andrews and Alex Andrews; Paul Andrews, Mary Allison Andrews and Logan Andrews
  

https://www.freemancitronelle.com/notices/Samuel-III

He married 1948 Dian(n)e Johnston, daughter of Sir Thomas Alexander Johnston of Caskieben, 12th baronet.

[G. Willis]

Henry- it seems there's been work done on this family going back a further eight generations from John Johnston (d. 1614), to Stiven (Stephen), who married the heiress of Caskieben, Margaret, dau. of Sir Andrew Garioch; I'm not sure if it's all been approved by any authority, though. There's a book, "The Family of Johnston of that Ilk and of Caskieben" (presumably that which can be read here- https://archive.org/details/genealogicalacco1832john - page 2 seems to be the start of the lineage, as described below, starting with Stephen), referenced as a source for this family site: https://www.clanmacfarlanegenealogy.info/genealogy/TNGWebsite/getperson.php?personID=I41563&tree=CC

[Netty Leistra]

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.William (Aberdeen, Scotland 1822-k.in a hurricane Navy Cove, Alabama, 27 September 1906); m. Isabella Baptiste Ladnier (Bayou La Batre, Mobile County, Alabama, 23 May 1829-Mobile, Alabama, 9 March 1913)

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.Sir Thomas Alexander, 11th Bt. (15 Dec 1857-Mobile 20 Dec 1950); m.1887 Mary Ann Norville (Navy Cove, Alabama, 11 May 1869-Mobile, Alabama, 30 January 1949)

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.Sir Thomas Alexander, 12th Bt. (3 May 1888-Mobile 12 Apr 1959); m.Mobile 4 December 1915 Pauline Burke Sheldon (18 July 1891-Mobile 6 September 1967)

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.Sir Thomas Alexander, 13th Bt. (Mobile 7 Sep 1916-10 November 1984); m.16 Jul 1941 Helen Torrey Du Bois (Alabama 1916-Juárez, Mexico City, 13 April 1993)
https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/L2R9-K62/helen-du-bois-johnston-1944-2015

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.Sir Thomas Alexander, 14th Bt. (1 Feb 1956-    )

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.2.Helen DuBois (Mobile, Alabama, 12 Jul 1944-Westlake Village, Los Angeles, CA, 31 January 2015); m.2 Aug 1969 Philip Thomas Sargent. Issue
https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/latimes/obituary.aspx?n=helen-johnston-sargent&pid=174067302

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.3.Leslie Sheldon (Mobile 30 May 1951-Daphne, Alabama, 8 March 2012); m.1972 David Charles Krempa (15 October 1951-). Issue
https://www.al.com/live/2012/03/post_170.html

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.2.Dianne Johnston (1926- ); m.1948 Samuel Henry Andrews III (24 July 1925-Citronelle, Alabama, 8 April 2011), aged 85

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.3.Pauline Sheldon (1 Feb 1929-23 December 1980); m.Dec 1947 Leroy Chester Baggett, Jr. (14 Feb 1927-2 Mar 1988)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/48871748/leroy-chester-baggett

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.William Norville (22 August 1894-Mobile 20 Mar 1959); m.1921 Catherine Mary Murray (21 October 1899-19 November 1976)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/52783148/catherine-johnston

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.William Norville (Mobile 11 Jul 1922-7 September 1989); m.14 Jun 1952 Kathryn Pauline Solberg (Mobile, Alabama, 14 January 1931-15 January 2016)
https://www.ascensionfuneralgroup.com/obituaries/obituary-listings?obId=724857#/obituaryInfo (if the Johnston grandchildren were mentioned in order of father it should be as below)

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.William Norville, b.25 Dec 1955 m. Loraine

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1. Chad m. Leslie

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1. Miles

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.2. McKinley

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.2.Stephen Gregory, b.1958 m. Elizabeth

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.2.1. Lauren

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.3.Paul Brady, b.1959 m. Marsha Lynn Brown (1961-)

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.3.1. Megan

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.3.2. Sarah

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.4.Kathryn Mary, b.1953 m. Jay Bass

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.2.Claude Edward (18 Jan 1930-Dallas, Texas?, 7 January 2007); m.20 Feb 1960 Lucy Mahorner à issue: six children, 17 grandchildren
https://obits.dallasnews.com/obituaries/dallasmorningnews/obituary.aspx?n=claude-edward-johnston&pid=86034620

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.2.1. Mary Teague (1960-)

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.2.2. Edward Ryan (1961-) m. : 3 children

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.2.3. Laura Jean (1964-)

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.2.4. Bernard Mathias (1965-)m. : 3 children

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.2.5. child

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.2.6. child

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.3.Marion Margaret (30 Jun 1924-2 April 1999); m.13 Jun 1955 Thomas Ross Johnson (10 June 1916-24 October 2011). Issue
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/50620391/marion-johnston-johnson

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.4.Helen Jean (Mobile 10 Oct 1926-25 October 2004); m.13 Apr 1955 William Earle Bidez (25 May 1926-31 October 2015). Issue
https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/mobile-al/william-bidez-6659476
https://obits.al.com/obituaries/mobile/obituary-preview.aspx?n=jean-johnston-bidez&pid=2757177&referrer=30

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.3.Frederick Rukard (13 March 1897-30 Aug 1962); m.1925 Grace McRae (Alabama 9 April 1898-Houston, Texas, 14 June 1989)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/47038450

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.Frederick Ruckard (Mobile 16 Jan 1936-Mobile 7 Jun 1936)

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.3.2.Joyce Rukard (Mobile, Alabama, 1 May 1926-San Antonio, Texas, 22 October 2018); m.1 May 1951 Wallace Abney Burgess (-died). Issue
https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/houston-tx/joyce-burgess-8038510

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.3.3.Mary Norville "Molly" (1928-    )

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.4.Aquilla Norville (Mobile, Alabama, 13 February 1900-Point Clear, Alabama, 29 November 1966); m.1957 Mary Agnes Mackay
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/84619069/a-norville-johnston

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.5.Kenneth Douglas (4 August 1903-8 November 1983)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/84619142/kenneth-douglas-johnston

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.6.Emily Frances (1889-Mobile, Alabama, 16 July 1971); m. 1918, Flarrie Green Watson (Georgia 27 December 1881-Mobile, Alabama, 15 March 1972)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/84618570/emily-frances-watson

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.7.Isabel Ladnier (5 October 1892-Daphne, Alabama, 23 September 1969)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/84618961/isabel-ladnier-johnston

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.2.John (1865-Fort Morgan 20 May 1928); m.1898 Katherine Anna Terrell (Alabama 1878-Mobile 23 August 1950)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/114660258/katherine-simpson

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.2.1.Madeline Frances (Alabama 24 December 1898-Mobile 21 April 1973); m.1918 Thomas Hansford Gordon Powers

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.2.2.Adelaide Isabelle (5 October 1898/1901-17 July 1966); m.1922 Clarence Eugene Northcutt (Burnt Corn, Monroe, Alabama, 15 May 1895-Mobile, Alabama, 18 September 1967). Issue. Her year of birth cf. grave stone can't be correct
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/35738279/adelaide-isabelle-northcutt

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.3.Curtis Ladnier (Alabama 7 March 1874-Mobile 18 July 1944) m. Mary Bender (Missouri 1880-1949)

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.4.Mary Lucetta (1855-Mobile 28 May 1931/Mobile 30 November 1922) m. Harvey Curtis Wilson (Baldwin, Alabama, 1 January 1843-Mobile 18 January 1904). Issue

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.5.Margaret Cora (1867-    ); m.1st 1890 James P Johnston (d.1893); m.2nd 1911 Charles H Harris

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.6.Carmelite Sarah (1869-1950)

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.7.Celestine (1876-1951)

[Henry W]

Netty - can you clarify the following please@

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.William Norville, b.25 Dec 1955 m. Loraine

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1. Chad m. Leslie

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1. Miles

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.2. McKinley

Is Chad a son of William Norville?

[Netty Leistra]

Oops, forgot a number. Yes I think he is a son of William Norville, but am not 100 % sure. Guessed from the death announcement of the grandmother, as we knew who Lauren's father was, and the Bass children are Kathryn's of course.

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.William Norville, b.25 Dec 1955 m. Loraine

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1. Chad m. Leslie

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1. Miles

2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.2. McKinley

[Henry W]

Thanks Netty - from your work it seems very likely that there are young males in remainder from the family resident in the US.

G Willis - thanks for those links - interesting reading. It would appear that John Johnston of that Ilk (d 1614) had 4 sons:

1. Sir George, 1st Baronet, ancestor of the 2nd,3rd,4th baronets.

2. John "of whom there is no succession"

3. Thomas - ancestor of the 5th to current baronets.

4. Gilbert "of whom we have obtained no account".

Unless further work arises it seems likely that if the heirs male of Thomas are exhausted, then the title will fall into dormancy with the possible heirs being descended from Gilbert.  There will be similar problems with two of the younger brothers of John Johnston of that Ilk in that no account is given, however, two of the youngest brothers appear to have a well documented genealogy.

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As over 5 years have passed it might be good timing to follow up some of the Johnston of Caskieben American collaterals

Margaret Murray King nee Johnson b 1956 d 2012.  She was the da of  2.3.2.1.2.1.1.1.2.3. (from Netty's post above) Marion Margaret Johnston (30 Jun 1924-2 April 1999); m.13 Jun 1955 Thomas Ross Johnson (10 June 1916-24 October 2011).  She m 1986 Edward Luckett KING b 1952 d 2021. AS well as the 2 das set out in DPB they had a son Edward Luckett King Jr b 21 Jan 1990 and d 4 Mar 1990.

Margaret Murray Johnson King (1956-2012) - Find a Grave Memorial

Edward Luckett King (1952-2021) - Find a Grave Memorial

Edward Luckett King Jr. (1990-1990) - Find a Grave Memorial

Margaret King Obituary

KING Margaret Murray Johnson King, a native and lifelong resident of Mobile, Alabama, died on June 24, 2012 at the age of 56. Mrs. King is predeceased by her parents, Marion Johnston Johnson and Thomas Ross Johnson Jr., and her son, Edward Luckett King, Jr. She is survived by her husband of 26 years, Edward Luckett King; her two daughters, Louise Robinson King and Mary Hartley King; her brother, Thomas Ross Johnson III of Houston, Texas and her sister, Barry Johnson Parker of Daphne, AL. Murray was a 1974 graduate of the Julius T. Wright School for Girls and a 1978 graduate of the University of Alabama. She was a member of Christ Anglican Church and an employee of Mobile Gas Corporation for more than 25 years […]

Margaret King Obituary (2012) - Mobile, AL - AL.com (Mobile)

Edward Luckett King Sr.

February 22, 1952 – October 5, 2021

Edward Luckett King, 69, of Mobile, Alabama passed away on Tuesday, October 5, 2021. He was a UMS graduate, Class of 1970. Edward then went on to attend the Marion Institute, Ole Miss, and the University of Alabama. After college, Edward began working in the maritime industry as a captain of shipping vessels in the Gulf. When he decided to start a family with his wife, Murray Johnson King, Edward went into Operations Management, a field in which he worked for over twenty years. He loved to hunt, fish, and sail around the family’s Point Clear house. Edward’s favorite Saturdays were spent surrounded by friends, watching Alabama football – with his famous lucky wings for everyone to enjoy.

Edward was preceded in death by his wife, Margaret Murray Johnson King; son, Edward Luckett King, Jr; and parents, Dr. Robert Thomas King and Louise Robinson King.

He leaves to cherish his memory, two daughters, Louise Robinson King and Mary Hartley Monson; and two sisters, Allen King Lee and Mary Hartley King [….]

Edward Luckett King Sr. Obituary - Mobile, AL