ABEL SMITH, John William (Billy) 1933-2011
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Richard R
Oct 11, 2011, 9:18:20 AM10/11/11
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From the Telegraph 10 Ocotber 2011:
ABEL SMITH
John William (known as Billy), aged 77, peacefully in New York on 5th
October 2011 after a short illness. Dearly loved husband, father and
grandfather. A Memorial Service (and private interment) will take
place at the Trinity Church, Upperville, Virginia, on Thursday, 13th
October, at 11 a.m. and a Thanksgiving Service will be held in London
at the Grosvenor Chapel, 24 South Audley Street, W1K 2PA, on Tuesday,
25th October, at 12 noon. No flowers please.
He & his 2nd cousin Wilfrid Ismay ABEL SMITH (1929-2010) share the
same gt gf (Robert Smith 1833-94). So he has the same kinship with The
Queen, Duchess of Grafton, Sir Heny Abel Smith, etc, as exemplified in
the posting of June 2010 notifying Wilfrid's death:
http://groups.google.com/group/peerage-news/browse_thread/thread/140eb3761e0ee049/4d0a0424bf481855?lnk=gst&q=abel+smith#4d0a0424bf481855
So Billy's descent from the above Robert Smith is:
Robert Smith 1833-94 m Isabel d of Henry J Adeane (see BLG) and Hon
Matilda A Stanley (B Stanley of Alderley)
/
Maj Bertram Abel Smith DSO MC TD 1874-1947 m 1stly Hon Rhona M A
Hanbury-Tracy d of 4 B Sudeley
/
Capt Jocelyn Abel Smith 1906-66 m 1st (1932 div 1946) Diana Joan
(1910-2002, dau of Edward C WREY (Wrey Bts)
/
John William 1933-2011 m 1st 1957 Ruth Sylvia (dau of Sir John HUGGINS
GCMG MC (1891-1971, sometime Capt.-General & Gov-in-Chief of Jamaica)
and his 1st w Molly dau of Charles Francis Joseph GREEN); m 2nd 1965
(div 1974) Christine (dau of Keith TAYLOR of Adelaide); m 3rd 1975
Mary Chichester MILLS.
ABEL SMITH
John William (known as Billy), aged 77, peacefully in New York on 5th
October 2011 after a short illness. Dearly loved husband, father and
grandfather. A Memorial Service (and private interment) will take
place at the Trinity Church, Upperville, Virginia, on Thursday, 13th
October, at 11 a.m. and a Thanksgiving Service will be held in London
at the Grosvenor Chapel, 24 South Audley Street, W1K 2PA, on Tuesday,
25th October, at 12 noon. No flowers please.
He & his 2nd cousin Wilfrid Ismay ABEL SMITH (1929-2010) share the
same gt gf (Robert Smith 1833-94). So he has the same kinship with The
Queen, Duchess of Grafton, Sir Heny Abel Smith, etc, as exemplified in
the posting of June 2010 notifying Wilfrid's death:
http://groups.google.com/group/peerage-news/browse_thread/thread/140eb3761e0ee049/4d0a0424bf481855?lnk=gst&q=abel+smith#4d0a0424bf481855
So Billy's descent from the above Robert Smith is:
Robert Smith 1833-94 m Isabel d of Henry J Adeane (see BLG) and Hon
Matilda A Stanley (B Stanley of Alderley)
/
Maj Bertram Abel Smith DSO MC TD 1874-1947 m 1stly Hon Rhona M A
Hanbury-Tracy d of 4 B Sudeley
/
Capt Jocelyn Abel Smith 1906-66 m 1st (1932 div 1946) Diana Joan
(1910-2002, dau of Edward C WREY (Wrey Bts)
/
John William 1933-2011 m 1st 1957 Ruth Sylvia (dau of Sir John HUGGINS
GCMG MC (1891-1971, sometime Capt.-General & Gov-in-Chief of Jamaica)
and his 1st w Molly dau of Charles Francis Joseph GREEN); m 2nd 1965
(div 1974) Christine (dau of Keith TAYLOR of Adelaide); m 3rd 1975
Mary Chichester MILLS.
Dennis Cunniff
Oct 11, 2011, 4:05:45 PM10/11/11
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On Oct 11, 2011, at 9:18 AM, Richard R wrote:
> John William 1933-2011 m 1st 1957 Ruth Sylvia (dau of Sir John HUGGINS
> GCMG MC (1891-1971, sometime Capt.-General & Gov-in-Chief of Jamaica)
> and his 1st w Molly dau of Charles Francis Joseph GREEN); m 2nd 1965
> (div 1974) Christine (dau of Keith TAYLOR of Adelaide); m 3rd 1975
> Mary Chichester MILLS.
>
> --
His third wife, Mary Chichester "Mimi" Mills, was the GGG Granddaughter of E. I. du Pont.
Richard R
Oct 12, 2011, 3:56:12 AM10/12/11
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Thanks Dennis, below is an extract from the American National
Biography's life of du Pont. Can you post the descent here?
Eleuthère Irénée du Pont (1771-1834), industrialist, was born in
Paris, France, the son of Pierre Samuel du Pont de Nemours, a
political economist, and Nicole Charlotte Marie Louise Le Dée de
Raucourt. The boy's godfather, Anne Robert Jacques Turgot, who became
comptroller general of finances under Louis XVI, suggested the name in
honor of peace and liberty. Du Pont was raised on his father's estate,
"Bois des Fossés," near Egreville, where he responded with little
enthusiasm to a series of tutors who attempted to educate him. The one
subject that did interest him was explosives, and at age thirteen he
prepared a report on gunpowder for his father. In the fall of 1785 he
entered the Collège Royal in Paris, and two years later Antoine
Lavoisier, a noted chemist and friend of Irénée's father, accepted the
youth as a student in the Régie des Poudres et Salpetres, the
government agency for the manufacture of gunpowder. After a brief
apprenticeship, du Pont took a position at the government powder works
at Essonnes, but when Lavoisier left to become one of the
commissioners of the national treasury, du Pont quit in 1791 to manage
the large publishing house that his father had recently opened in
Paris. Du Pont fell in love with Sophie Madeleine Dalmas and fought
two duels with another suitor to win her hand. His father thought the
daughter of a shopkeeper was beneath the social position he had worked
hard to attain for the family, but Irénée persisted. With his father's
reluctant blessing, they married in 1791.
…. . On 10 August 1792 both father and son were among a small group
that protected the escape of Louis XVI when a mob stormed the
Tuileries… . Despite their efforts on behalf of the king, both du
Ponts favored governmental reform… . Irénée was a member of the pro-
Revolution national guard and supported the Jacobins… . In 1799 the
family sold the publishing house, and … sailed for the United States
… . and proceeded to the home Pierre Samuel had secured in Bergen
Point, New Jersey, across the river from New York. The du Ponts opened
an office in New York City, but it was unclear what their line of
business would be… . [After] a tour of an American powder plant [E I
du Pont] returned to New Jersey believing he had found a business for
the family… . When Jefferson endorsed the idea, Pierre Samuel
reluctantly agreed and sent his sons to France at the beginning of
1801 to secure the necessary equipment and financing. … . Since this
was to be primarily Irénée's venture, the firm was christened E. I. du
Pont de Nemours & Company… . Du Pont's sudden collapse and death in
Philadelphia was blamed, in conflicting reports, on either cholera or
a heart attack. [His company] would grow into one of the [US]'s great
corporate empires. Of his eight children, seven lived to adulthood.
Leadership of the company temporarily passed to his son-in-law Antoine
Bidermann, a twenty-year employee. Bidermann satisfied all remaining
debts by 1837, then reorganized the company as a partnership of all
seven siblings
Biography's life of du Pont. Can you post the descent here?
Eleuthère Irénée du Pont (1771-1834), industrialist, was born in
Paris, France, the son of Pierre Samuel du Pont de Nemours, a
political economist, and Nicole Charlotte Marie Louise Le Dée de
Raucourt. The boy's godfather, Anne Robert Jacques Turgot, who became
comptroller general of finances under Louis XVI, suggested the name in
honor of peace and liberty. Du Pont was raised on his father's estate,
"Bois des Fossés," near Egreville, where he responded with little
enthusiasm to a series of tutors who attempted to educate him. The one
subject that did interest him was explosives, and at age thirteen he
prepared a report on gunpowder for his father. In the fall of 1785 he
entered the Collège Royal in Paris, and two years later Antoine
Lavoisier, a noted chemist and friend of Irénée's father, accepted the
youth as a student in the Régie des Poudres et Salpetres, the
government agency for the manufacture of gunpowder. After a brief
apprenticeship, du Pont took a position at the government powder works
at Essonnes, but when Lavoisier left to become one of the
commissioners of the national treasury, du Pont quit in 1791 to manage
the large publishing house that his father had recently opened in
Paris. Du Pont fell in love with Sophie Madeleine Dalmas and fought
two duels with another suitor to win her hand. His father thought the
daughter of a shopkeeper was beneath the social position he had worked
hard to attain for the family, but Irénée persisted. With his father's
reluctant blessing, they married in 1791.
…. . On 10 August 1792 both father and son were among a small group
that protected the escape of Louis XVI when a mob stormed the
Tuileries… . Despite their efforts on behalf of the king, both du
Ponts favored governmental reform… . Irénée was a member of the pro-
Revolution national guard and supported the Jacobins… . In 1799 the
family sold the publishing house, and … sailed for the United States
… . and proceeded to the home Pierre Samuel had secured in Bergen
Point, New Jersey, across the river from New York. The du Ponts opened
an office in New York City, but it was unclear what their line of
business would be… . [After] a tour of an American powder plant [E I
du Pont] returned to New Jersey believing he had found a business for
the family… . When Jefferson endorsed the idea, Pierre Samuel
reluctantly agreed and sent his sons to France at the beginning of
1801 to secure the necessary equipment and financing. … . Since this
was to be primarily Irénée's venture, the firm was christened E. I. du
Pont de Nemours & Company… . Du Pont's sudden collapse and death in
Philadelphia was blamed, in conflicting reports, on either cholera or
a heart attack. [His company] would grow into one of the [US]'s great
corporate empires. Of his eight children, seven lived to adulthood.
Leadership of the company temporarily passed to his son-in-law Antoine
Bidermann, a twenty-year employee. Bidermann satisfied all remaining
debts by 1837, then reorganized the company as a partnership of all
seven siblings
Dennis Cunniff
Oct 12, 2011, 6:37:33 AM10/12/11
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On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:56 AM, Richard R wrote:
Thanks Dennis, below is an extract from the American National
Biography's life of du Pont. Can you post the descent here?
Sure thing...
(1) Eleuthére Irenée du Pont (1771-1834) & Sophie Madeleine Dalmas (1775-1828)
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(2) Alexis Irenée du Pont (1816-1857) & Joanna Maria Smith
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(3) Francis Gurney du Pont (1850-1904) & Elise Wigfall Simons
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(4) A. Felix du Pont (1879-1948) & Mary Richard Chichester
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(5) Alice F. du Pont (abt 1913-2002) & James Paul Mills Sr. (-1987)
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(6) Mary Chichester “Mimi” Mills & John William “Billy” Abel Smith
According to the du Pont family genealogy, Mimi Mills also married Bernard van Cutsem and Richard Patrick Gordon Dill, though I don't know in what order, nor can I further identify them.
= DJC.
Harry Merritt
Oct 12, 2011, 9:12:35 AM10/12/11
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First husband Richard Dill (b. 1921) was from L.G. family, I believe, related to Field Marshal Sir John Dill of WWII fame.
Second husband Bernard van Cutsem (1916-75), scion of Barons Petre, Jacobite earls of Derwentwater, Charles II, etc., was a trainer of racehorses. From one of HIS previous marriages, he was the father and grandfather of the van Cutsems who are close friends with the Prince of Wales, Prince William, et al., and who pop up quite often in Peerage News e-mails.
Alice du Pont Mills (mother of Mary C. Mills Dill van Cutsem Abel Smith) was a leading owner of thoroughbreds in the U.S. and her husband, James Paul Mills, was an heir to the Drexel banking fortune and a cousin of the Viscounts Astor and Barons Astor of Hever .
Second husband Bernard van Cutsem (1916-75), scion of Barons Petre, Jacobite earls of Derwentwater, Charles II, etc., was a trainer of racehorses. From one of HIS previous marriages, he was the father and grandfather of the van Cutsems who are close friends with the Prince of Wales, Prince William, et al., and who pop up quite often in Peerage News e-mails.
Alice du Pont Mills (mother of Mary C. Mills Dill van Cutsem Abel Smith) was a leading owner of thoroughbreds in the U.S. and her husband, James Paul Mills, was an heir to the Drexel banking fortune and a cousin of the Viscounts Astor and Barons Astor of Hever .
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Dennis Cunniff
Oct 13, 2011, 7:23:42 AM10/13/11
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Thanks, that sorts them out nicely!
- Dennis J. Cunniff
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