Freddie Wyvill (1983-2007) ??????

[Michael Rhodes]

From the Daily Telegraph 31 Jan 2008:-

"WYVILL:Freddie. A Memorial Service for Freddie who died on 15th
December 2007 will take place at Ampleforth Abbey, North Yorkshire on
Monday 4th February at 2.30 p.m."

Possibly Frederick Charles Penrose Wyvill, b 1983, 3rd son of
Marmaduke Charles Asty Wyvill b 1945), squire of Constable Burton
Hall, Leyburn, North Yorkshire, claimaint to the dormant baronetcy of
Wyvill (E 1611) ?????

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[Richard R]

Yes, definitely the same. He had two elder brothers who still live and
would be in line if the baronetcy were revived. It's been dormant
since 1774.

On 31 Jan, 01:59, Michael Rhodes <migx73allenford2...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> From the Daily Telegraph 31 Jan 2008:-

Possibly Frederick Charles Penrose Wyvill, b 1983, 3rd son of

[Richard R]

Sorry, meant to include weblink to Ampleforth's website:

http://www.ampleforth.org.uk/OANews/html/FreddieWyvillE04.html

[Michael Rhodes]

On 31 Jan, 09:17, Richard R <r_rut...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry, meant to include weblink to Ampleforth's website:
>
> http://www.ampleforth.org.uk/OANews/html/FreddieWyvillE04.html

Thanks. I really should have googled first.

[bx...@yahoo.com]

Didn't realize the baronetcy actually dates way back to 1611.

It's a shame that a baronetcy that has actual heirs remain in
dormancy.
What are the odds of it being brought out of dormancy?

Brooke

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[Michael Rhodes]

On 6 Feb, 00:49, "b...@yahoo.com" <b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Didn't realize the baronetcy actually dates way back to 1611.
>
> It's a shame that a baronetcy that has actual heirs remain in
> dormancy.
> What are the odds of it being brought out of dormancy?
>
> Brooke

Someone has to pay a fortune to prove that they have succeeded
to the baronetcy.

[marquess]

How much roughly?

On 5 Feb, 14:07, Michael Rhodes <migx73allenford2...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

[bx...@yahoo.com]

If Burke's or Debrett's has the lineage and descent of a peerage or a
baronetage, why and how would they have to prove their right to the
title? Does a son or brother also have to prove their right?

Thanks.

Brooke

On Feb 5, 9:07�pm, Michael Rhodes <migx73allenford2...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

[Michael Rhodes]

bx...@yahoo.com wrote:
> If Burke's or Debrett's has the lineage and descent of a peerage or a
> baronetage, why and how would they have to prove their right to the
> title? Does a son or brother also have to prove their right?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Brooke

Debrett's only shows the line of the family now resident in North
Yorkshire which can prove a descent from a younger brother of the 3rd
Baronet. The problem is that a more senior line of the family
emigrated to Maryland in 1758 and descendants there, if any, have a
prior claim to the baronetcy. The family now in North Yorkshire have
to prove the extinction, in the US, of the more senior line.

Sir Marmaduke Wyvill, 2nd Baronet
d 1648
I
Sir Christopher Wyvill 3rd Bt, MP, d 1665
m. Ursula, dau of Conyers, Lord Darcy, later Earl of Holderness
I
Sir William Wyvill 4th Bt, b 1643
m Anne Brooke
I
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I
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Sir Marmaduke, 5th Bt
D'Arcy Wyvill
d.
1722
d 5 Jan 1734

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Sir Marmaduke Christopher Wyvill
William Edward
6th Bt (1692-1753/4) m. Henrietta Asty
Wyvill d. 1791
m. Carey Coke.
I settled
in I
d.s.p. Sir
Marmaduke Maryland Christopher
7th
Baronet c. 1758 Wyvill who
d 23 Feb
1774 I inherited

Unm. . Marmaduke English
land

Wyvill, of in 1774.

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whose descendants I

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family in North

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[bx...@yahoo.com]

Many thanks, Michael, for making the situation clear.

Brooke

On Feb 6, 3:31�pm, Michael Rhodes <migx73allenford2...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> b...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > If Burke's or Debrett's has the lineage and descent of a peerage or a
> > baronetage, why and how would they have to prove their right to the
> > title? �Does a son or brother also have to prove their right?
>
> > Thanks.
>
> > Brooke
>
> Debrett's only shows the line of the family now resident in North
> Yorkshire which can prove a descent from a younger brother of the 3rd
> Baronet. The problem is that a more senior line of the family
> emigrated to Maryland in 1758 and descendants there, if any, have a
> prior claim to the baronetcy. The family now in North Yorkshire have
> to prove the extinction, in the US, of the more senior line.
>
> Sir Marmaduke Wyvill, 2nd Baronet
> d 1648
> I
> Sir Christopher Wyvill 3rd Bt, MP, d 1665
> m. Ursula, dau of Conyers, Lord Darcy, later Earl of Holderness
> I
> Sir William Wyvill 4th Bt, b 1643
> m Anne Brooke
> I

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[Michael Rhodes]

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Good grief! What happened to my family tree. It looked oK until
I hit the send button. You'll have to be an expert in de-cyphering
to work this one out......

[Michael Rhodes]

Freddie's Yorkshire Post obituary

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/obituaries/Frederick-Wyvill.3761650.jp

[dpth...@gmail.com]

...Debrett's only shows the line of the family now resident in North

Yorkshire which can prove a descent from a younger brother of the 3rd

Baronet. ...

Actually from a younger brother of the 5th Baronet, I think.

Sir William Wyvill, of Constable Burton, 4th Bt. (1645-ca 1684); m.Anne, sister of Sir John Brookes, Bt.

1.Sir Marmaduke, 5th Bt., d.2 Nov 1722; m.29 Mar 1688 Henrietta Maria Yarburgh (bap 8 Oct 1667-15 Aug 1738)

1.1.Sir Marmaduke, 6th Bt. (1692-27 Dec 1754); m.1716 Carey Coke (d.11 Jun 1734), sister of Earl of Leicester

1.2.Christopher, d.26 Apr 1752; m.1st 1723 Elizabeth Leake (d.19 May 1731); m.2nd 1738 Henrietta Asty (d.1742); m.3rd Anne Thayer

1.2.1.[ex 1] Elizabeth, dsp 23 Jul 1783; m. Rev. Christopher Wyvill (below)

1.2.2.Sir Marmaduke Asty, 7th Bt. (10 Sep 1740-23 Feb 1774); on his death the Baronetcy became dormant, while the estates passed to his half-sister, to her husband, and then to the issue of her husband by his next wife

2.Darcy, d.5 Jan 1735; m. ___

2.1.William (ca 1706-lost at sea 1750); he went to Maryland, America, married and had a son:

2.1.1.[Sir] Marmaduke, d.7 Sep 1784; probably he was entitled to succeed as 8th Baronet; he m.1st 15 Mar 1764 Harriet Rateby; m.2nd 15 Oct 1775 Susanna Burgess ? 2 sons, 3 daus by 1st m., 2 sons, 6 daus by 2nd m., of whom:

2.1.1.1.[Sir] Darcy (Apr 1766- ca 1790?); m.___

2.1.1.1.1.[Sir] Robert, dsp ca 1800?

2.1.1.2.[Sir] Marmaduke, d.1808; m.___

2.1.1.2.1.Hannah Rateby (7 Mar 1807-    ); m.by 1827 Robert Garraway Pindell

2.1.1.3.[Sir] Walter (4 Feb 1780-ca 1840?); m.3 Jun 1811 Anne Wood

2.1.1.3.1.[Sir] Edward Hale (14 Sep 1812- fl 1890 ); m.29 Nov 1832 Mary Davis

2.1.1.3.1.1.Walter Davis (8 May 1834-    ); among his issue or collaterals the Baronetcy probably is extant

2.2.Edward, d.12 Mar 1791; m.18 Dec 1737 Christian Catherine Clifton

2.2.1.Rev. Christopher; m.1st Elizabeth Wyvill (dsp, see above), heiress of the Constable Burton estates, which he then transmitted to heirs by second marriage; m.2nd NN

2.2.1.1.Marmaduke, of Constable Burton (14 Feb 1791-    ); m.12 Dec 1813 Rachel Milnes --> issue, the Wyvills of Constable Burton