Fitzgerald Thompstone birth

[Turenne]

The birth is announced of an unnamed daughter on Nov 26 2007 to Lady
Francesca Fitzgerald and Stephen Thompstone. Lady Francesca is the
eldest daughter of the 9th Duke of Leinster.

Richard Lichten

[bx...@yahoo.com]

The Dukedom of Leinster is a peerage in serious need of heirs. (Of
course, any children of this forthcoming marriage will have not be in
remainder.)

Lady Francesca's older brother and the heir to the Dukedom (Earl of
Offaly) was killed in a tragic accident in 1997 at age 23.

Her uncle, Lord John (b. 1952) is the heir presumptive. His only son
(b. 1988) is the only male under 54 in remainder. Not a good sign.

Brooke

[marquess]

Agreed a very dicey dukedom, though that is not as old as some of the
other peerages that it covers up. There was a recent case where
someone was claiming the dukedom, as the rightful heir, but it all
collapsed. Still the real tragedy here is the death of the Earl of
Offlay, I once read a book back in 88 which had a 75 pic of four
generations of heir males to the dukedom. The old duke previous to the
one now, the current duke, his son, and his son the late earl. Shame,
there aren't even any collaterals in remainder to the other peerages
so, we could be witnessing the end of a great ancient Irish family.
For all we know the son of lord John, could want to "marry" a man!?

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[Peter FitzGerald]

On 2 Dec, 23:48, marquess <marquessmarqu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Agreed a very dicey dukedom, though that is not as old as some of the
> other peerages that it covers up. There was a recent case where
> someone was claiming the dukedom, as the rightful heir, but it all
> collapsed. Still the real tragedy here is the death of the Earl of
> Offlay, I once read a book back in 88 which had a 75 pic of four
> generations of heir males to the dukedom. The old duke previous to the
> one now, the current duke, his son, and his son the late earl. Shame,
> there aren't even any collaterals in remainder to the other peerages
> so, we could be witnessing the end of a great ancient Irish family.
> For all we know the son of lord John, could want to "marry" a man!?

It would have been the late 7th Duke (d. 1976), the late 8th Duke (d.
2004), the current (9th) Duke and the current Duke's son. (Had Lord
Offaly survived he would now be Marquess of Kildare.)

Are we sure there are no heirs to the older peerages? The Earldom of
Kildare goes back to the 14th century - there must be some distant
relatives somewhere, surely?

And, for the record, their surname is "FitzGerald", not
"Fitzgerald". ;-)

[marquess]

Well unless your prepared to do your own genealogical research based
on very old copies of Burkes or Debretts then I should say no there
aren't anymore heirs. But one would have thought that there should be,
but then again look at the likes of Trimlestown and the De Courcy (Hat
Trick peerage), ancient but very few in remainder and so too with the
marquisate of lansdowne which covers a host of ancient peerages, none
of which have family members in remainder to them seperately.

[bx...@yahoo.com]

It would be a shame if the peerages became extinct. According to
Debrett's 2003, the Duke is the premier Duke, Marquess and Earl of
Ireland. The oldest title (the Earldom of Kildare) dates back to
1316.

Evidentally, there are no heirs in remainder to any of the secondary
titles. (Debrett's normally lists those in remainder to a secondary
title separately and none are listed.)

The weight of an entire dynasty falls on the shoulders of young Mr.
Edward FitzGerald-- no pressure!

Brooke

[Turenne]

Peter FitzGerald wrote:

>And, for the record, their surname is "FitzGerald", not "Fitzgerald". ;-)

Is there something you're not telling us Peter....?

Richard Lichten

[Peter FitzGerald]

On 3 Dec, 20:54, Turenne <richard.licht...@virgin.net> wrote:
> Peter FitzGerald wrote:
> >And, for the record, their surname is "FitzGerald", not "Fitzgerald". ;-)
>
> Is there something you're not telling us Peter....?

I'm afraid not!

Although mere coincidence of surname seems to be the basis on which
most fake peerage claims are made these days, so who knows, if the
Dukedom dies out perhaps I should give it a go. :-)

[bx...@yahoo.com]

The new Debrett's has the two of them already parents of a daughter,
Amelia Grace Francesca THOMPSTONE FITZGERALD, b. 2004

It's nice to see they just announced their engagement and will be
getting married. After having 2 daughters to this point, I think
they've already had the honeymoon.

Brooke

On Dec 1, 1:25�pm, Turenne <richard.licht...@virgin.net> wrote:

> The birth is announced of an unnamed daughter on Nov 26 2007 to Lady

> FrancescaFitzgeraldand StephenThompstone. Lady Francesca is the

[Viridmontane]

Would the Baronet of Valencia be a possible relative, although the
relationship may go back to ancient times ?

[Michael Rhodes]

On 5 Dec, 23:41, "b...@yahoo.com" <b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The new Debrett's has the two of them already parents of a daughter,
> Amelia Grace Francesca THOMPSTONE FITZGERALD, b. 2004
>
> It's nice to see they just announced their engagement and will be
> getting married. After having 2 daughters to this point, I think
> they've already had the honeymoon.
>
> Brooke

Amelia was born at Oxford, 29 April, 2004.

The engagement will be the second such happy announcement for her
Ladyshiip.

The engagement was announced, 12 July, 2002, between Mr Patrick John
Rice, only son of Mr and Mrs Patrick Rice, of Northallerton, North
Yorkshire, and the Lady Francesca Emily Purcell FitzGerald (b. 1976),
eldest surviving child of the Marquess and Marchioness of Kildare, of
Frilford Heath, Oxfordshire, and granddaughter paternally of the 8th
Duke of Leinster, Premier Duke, Marquess and Earl in the Peerage of
Ireland, &c.

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