+ Esme Countess of Cromer, CVO

[Michael Rhodes]

_.The Dowager Countess of Cromer,CVO, Lady of the Bedchamber to Her Majesty The Queen 1974-93, since when an Extra Lady of the Bedchamber, died suddenly, but peacefully in hospital on Wednesday 8 June, 2011, after a short illness. She was the former Hon Esme Mary Gabrielle Harmsworth, a dau of the 2nd Viscount Rothermere by his first wife Margaret Hunam Redhead, dau. of William Redhead, of Carville Hall, Brentford, co. Middlesex, & married the 3rd Earl of Cromer, KG, in 1942. He died in 1991. She married 2ndly, 1993 as his second wife Capt (Renier) Gerrit Anton van der Voude). She leaves issue from her marriage to Lord Cromer, &c.

 

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[John Mason]

Does a widowed peeress retain her title after remarriage? Did she not
become the hon. Mrs van der Voude on her second marriage?

John Mason.

On Jun 12, 7:57 am, Michael Rhodes <mig73allenford2...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

[marquess]

The answer is no she doesn't gained by marriage lost by remarriage,
but if I recall the dowager duchess of Leeds remarried divorced and
resumed the ducal title.

[Richard R]

Both Times and Telegraph of 6 July 2011 carry news of the memorial
service for the later Countess:

Thanksgiving services

Esme Dowager Countess of Cromer
A Thanksgiving Service for the life of Esme, Dowager Countess of
Cromer will be held at St Brides Church, Fleet Street on Wednesday
28th September 2011 at 11.30am

On Jun 13, 1:52 pm, marquess <marquessmarqu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> The answer is no she doesn't gained by marriage lost by remarriage,
> but if I recall the dowager  duchess of Leeds remarried divorced and
> resumed the ducal title.
>
> On Jun 13, 6:19 pm, John Mason <johnjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Does a widowed peeress retain her title after remarriage? Did she not
> > become the hon. Mrs van der Voude on her second marriage?
>
> > John Mason.
>
> > On Jun 12, 7:57 am, Michael Rhodes <mig73allenford2...@yahoo.co.uk>
> > wrote:
>

> > > _.The DowagerCountessofCromer,CVO, Lady of the Bedchamber to Her Majesty

> > > The Queen 1974-93, since when an Extra Lady of the Bedchamber, died
> > > suddenly, but peacefully in hospital on Wednesday 8 June, 2011, after a
> > > short illness. She was the former Hon Esme Mary Gabrielle Harmsworth, a dau
> > > of the 2nd Viscount Rothermere by his first wife Margaret Hunam Redhead,
> > > dau. of William Redhead, of Carville Hall, Brentford, co. Middlesex, &

> > > married the 3rd Earl ofCromer, KG, in 1942. He died in 1991. She

> > > married 2ndly, 1993 as his second wife Capt (Renier) Gerrit Anton van der
> > > Voude). She leaves issue from her marriage to LordCromer, &c.
>

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[Richard R]

I've been meaning to come back to this when I had my 'Squibb' to hand,
wherein he cites the Countess Cowley case which is the precedent.

"... although the widow or divorced wife of peer loses her rights as a
peeress on remarriage, the retention of her previous name and style
was held not to be unlawful in Cowley v Cowley [in 1901], where after
a divorce the Countess Cowley had married Mr R E Myddleton. This
decision, however, related only to the USE OF THE NAME AND STYLE. Lord
Macnaughten was at pains to point out while there was nothing in the
Countess Cowley's position as the divorced wife of Earl Cowley to
deprive her either of the title or the priviledges which she had
acquired as his wife, when she married a commoner she lost her right
to the title Countess Cowley and her priviledges of peerage. Her
subsequent use of the title was 'merely a matter of courtesy, and
allowed by the usages of society' ".
[Source: G D Squibb, Precedence in England and Wales, Oxford 1981,
pp64-65.]
In a footnote, Squibb refers to the probably better-known instance of
Maureen (nee Guinness) Dufferin & Ava's retention of her marquessetal
style as Maureen, Marchioness of Dufferin & Ava til her death in 1998,
despite having remarried twice, all three husbands predeceasing her.

In Scotland I believe it is not unusual to use an alias (any of our
Scots experts help with this?)

[pyvery]

The mother of bend Or the 2nd Duke of westminster  ...lady Sibell Lumley retained the title of Countess Grosvenor when she married George Wyndham in1887.

Maureen Guinness' sister was always known as Oonagh,lady Oranmore and Browne .

[Richard R]

Thanks. There must be loads more hidden the pages of the peerages!