Michael Ancram - introduction?

[Jonathan]

The House of Lords business for Monday 22 November begins with:

Lord Green of Hurstpierpoint will be introduced and
The Rt Hon Michael Ancram will be introduced as a Baron.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld/ldordpap.htm

It is interesting to note that Michael Ancram - the Marquess of
Lothian - will be having an introduction. Previously, whenever a
hereditary peer excluded from the House under the 1999 Act has
returned as a life peer, he has not had an introduction as a baron,
but has simply taken the oath under the new title. See here in April
2000:

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld199900/minutes/000419/ldminute.htm
Earl of Mar and Kellie (Lord Erskine of Alloa Tower)
Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede (Lord Ponsonby of Roehampton)
Both take the oath without an introduction ceremony.

Ancram's situation is unprecedented, as he is the first hereditary
granted a life peerage who didn't sit in the House prior to 1999, but
it still seems a little odd that he will have an introduction. Unless,
that is, they are to continue the pretence that he isn't a marquess at
all. If that's the case, I for one will feel a little disappointed!

[marquess]

Agree with that sentiment of disappointment Jonathan, after all he has
not disclaimed and is for all intents and purposes a marquis!

On Nov 18, 6:28 pm, Jonathan <jra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The House of Lords business for Monday 22 November begins with:
>
> Lord Green of Hurstpierpoint will be introduced and
> The Rt Hon Michael Ancram will be introduced as a Baron.
>
> http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld/ldordpap.htm
>
> It is interesting to note that Michael Ancram - the Marquess of
> Lothian - will be having an introduction. Previously, whenever a
> hereditary peer excluded from the House under the 1999 Act has
> returned as a life peer, he has not had an introduction as a baron,
> but has simply taken the oath under the new title. See here in April
> 2000:
>

> http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld199900/minutes/000419/ldmi...

[Richard R]

Very interesting as you say.
Everything changed following the 1999 Act. Hereditary peers who are
new to their Lordships' House will be treated in the same way as any
other 'strangers' to it, so it seems.

On Nov 18, 11:28 am, Jonathan <jra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The House of Lords business for Monday 22 November begins with:
>
> Lord Green of Hurstpierpoint will be introduced and
> The Rt Hon Michael Ancram will be introduced as a Baron.
>
> http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld/ldordpap.htm
>
> It is interesting to note that Michael Ancram - the Marquess of
> Lothian - will be having an introduction. Previously, whenever a
> hereditary peer excluded from the House under the 1999 Act has
> returned as a life peer, he has not had an introduction as a baron,
> but has simply taken the oath under the new title. See here in April
> 2000:
>

> http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld199900/minutes/000419/ldmi...

[wedgwoodpound]

A travesty! I am liable to get quite het up about indignities like
this, so I will go an lie down in a dark room for a bit.
By the way, I really enjoy this group.

The fuss that Life Peers are making about their possible removal in
the next stage of Lords 'reform' (pah!) also gets to me - talk of
grandfathering, pensions! No such courtesy shown to the noble
hereditaries.

I'm going now,

John

http://www.wedgwood.org.uk

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[marquess]

I might not object so much where hereditary peerages being awarded and
as such considered totally separate from the Life Peerages.

[Jonathan]

Well he's just been introduced as Baron Kerr of Monteviot, so
presumably he will be known as the Marquess of Lothian in the House,
otherwise he would have chosen Baron Ancram of Somewhere as few people
know him by the name Kerr. The Letters Patent of course refer to him
as Michael Andrew Foster Jude Marquess of Lothian.

[Jonathan]

I can but laugh at this story, which must have been put out by one of
the news agencies. It is all over the web, on local news sites, Yahoo,
etc. It appears to struggle with the English language, let alone the
intricacies of Lord Lothian's multiple titles.

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The Earl of Ancram was one of two Tory peers introduced to the upper
house today, along with HSBC chairman Stephen Green.

Ancram, 65, served as a Conservative MP for several constituencies
from February 1974 before standing down at the 2010 general election.

The former party chair and one-time leadership contender has been
given a life peerage as Lord Kerr of Monteviot - a hereditary peer as
the 13th Marquess of Lothian.

His new title his based on his surname, which is Kerr and will also,
been known as his courtesy title the Earl of Ancram.

[Richard R]

And today's (25 November 2010) London Gazette has finally caught up
with events:

Crown Office
House of Lords, London SW1A 0PW
22 November 2010
The QUEEN has been pleased by Letters Patent under the Great Seal
of the Realm dated 22 November 2010 to confer the dignity of a
Barony of the United Kingdom for life upon The Most Honourable
Michael Andrew Foster Jude, Marquess of Lothian, P.C., Q.C., by
the name, style and title of BARON KERR OF MONTEVIOT, of
Monteviot in Roxburghshire.

Monteviot of course is his seat in Roxburghshire.