Nicholas Bacon's family

[colinp]

BPB online states that Nicholas David BACON b 1980 m 2010 Amy Alexandra HAGUE (b 1981) and have issue:-

Alexa Olivia b 2012

Camilla Charlotte b 2015

Leonora Clara b 2018

He is the son of Peter Jacques BACON b 1953 by his 1st m 1977 (div 2001) to Susan Baird ROWSE

[colinp]

scion of the Bacon Baronets (but I guess you all knew that)

[Richard R]

Thanks Colin. I note Alexa's birth was reg Lambeth & the other two daus reg Essex. Companies House gives an address in Gosfield Essex for Nicholas and his wife Amy who was b July 1981.

How useful is BPB online? Does it contain any print publications such as previous editions of the peeraage & landed gentry?

[S. S.]

Richard, Burke's Peerage's online website contain subscriptions to quite a few publications: 

Burke's Peerage 107th edn (2003)

Burke's Peerage Revised Families (covers quite a few families)

Burke's LG 15th edn (1937)

Burke's LG 17th edn (1952)

Burke's LG 18th edn vol i (1965)

Burke's LG 18th edn vol ii (1969)

Burke's LG 18th edn vol iii (1972)

Burke's LG 19th edn (2001-06 covering Scotland, Ridings of York, Wales)

Burke's LG Irish Family Records (1976 essentially LG for Ireland)

Burke's Extinct and Dormant Peerages (1883)

There are also quite a few works on orders of chivalry, American presidential families, the British royal family etc. There is also Burke's peerage books published on the eve of WWI and WWII. 

S.S.

[Richard R]

Thanks for this. I've paid £80 to subscribe to:

Burke's Peerage 107th edn (2003)

Burke's Peerage Revised Families (covers quite a few families)

Burke's LG 15th edn (1937) (This is the main reason for subscribing. I have a hard copy witch is very heavy & unwieldy, so hope this makes life easier)

Burke's LG 17th edn (1952)

Burke's LG 18th edn vol i (1965)

Burke's LG 18th edn vol ii (1969)

Burke's LG 18th edn vol iii (1972)

You need to pay further subs to get access to other publications. I'll see how I go.

[Patricia Light]

So Burke's have not updated their records since 2003? Is that right?

[Richard R]

Burke's Peerage Revised Families contains post 2003 new info on certain families

[colinp]

I mainly subscribed for the the 2003 Peerage and Baronetage which I don't have.  I also use the Burke's Irish Family Records and the BLG 2010 Scotland.  I think I must be on a slightly different sub as I don't get the BLG 18th ed but I have these in hard copy.  The BLG York and Wales/North West I don't find particularly useful although I haven't looked at them in depth - they seem to be full of "distinguished people" (and not so distinguished) rather than  people with detailed family histories who might be comparable to and of similar interest to the traditional gentry families with their links to the peerage/baronetage.

I haven't really perused the "revised families" section in depth but have just started to do so.  The entries are very patchy and diverse.  Some approach a complete and updated pedigree but not many.  Some (such as the Bacon Bt one) just have an update on one particular person.  Some detail a female collateral line that is now missing from Debrett's.  Some are purely historical so they may add details to persons who died 400 years ago.  Some  have new information and some have information which is in Debrett's online.  There are a few new Scottish feudal barons, often foreigners have bought the baronial title and have matriculated arms at Lyon Office - one "Arnhold Simoes" is described as "Earl and Lord of Aboyne" I hadn't realised feudal earldoms were still recognised.  A few LG families from the 18th edition have been updated.  I've been a subscriber for just over a year and the number of "revised families" has been increasing. 

I am inclined to double-check information if I can - not sure why but something to do with the complicated history of Burke's publishing over the past 20 years.  For instance if you go to Beaumont of Whitley you will see an additional son is listed for George and Katherine Beaumont (of interest to QVD spotters) - Christopher James Beaumont b 18 May 2020.  While GRO indices show up a Christopher James T Beaumont b regd Q4/2019 (m/m/n apparently not Fitzpatrick) there is no Christopher James Beaumont birth regd in 2020.  Of course he may have been born abroad (I've checked Scotland). I'm just not sure BPB have got the entry right - also noone on nobiliana has picked up the birth and not many QVD family changes are missed by them 

[S. S.]

The Burke's Peerage website used to have a "Genealogies" tab ca 2020, which has since been removed. In it, you had a page for "Featured Families", which covered the families of McDonnell (Earls of Antrim); White (Earl of Bantry); Hervey (Marquess of Bristol), Hanbury-Tracy (Barons Sudley) and also other genealogies, viz. Pushkin, Tolstoy etc. 

You can access one of the archived pages here: 

https://web.archive.org/web/20200304050728/https://www.burkespeerage.com/home.php

These entries were the same as the regular Burke's Peerage and Baronetage entries, just without the many abbreviations and were up to date (for the time of publication of the page). I always wondered, why Burke's Peerage never would invest in creating an online database similar to Debrett's, and just sell that for a subscription? We all know Debrett's online database (at present) does not have all the historical descendants in a peer's family and does not have the same level of detail as Burke's Peerage, though of course is up to date. 

I actually began writing more than a dozen peerage entries in Burke's Peerage style a year ago, though I could not find a suitable web designer who could design me a website capable of holding such an information in a neat and tidy manner. Perhaps I can figure that out once I create a website for my Complete Peerage 3rd edition re-write. 

S.S.

[colinp]

previous discussion about Burke's online here

New offering from Burke's Peerage online (google.com)