Caledon/Cayzer engagement

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Michael Rhodes

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Nov 12, 2007, 7:52:38 PM11/12/07
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The engagement was announced 12 November 2007, between the 7th Earl of
Caledon (b 6 May 1955), son of the late 6th Earl of Caledon
(1920-1980), by his 2nd wife Baroness Anne Louise de Graevenitz, & Mrs
Amanda Cayzer.

Is the bride-to-be here perhaps the former Amanda Squire, dau of John
Squire, of Marbella Spain, wo m. the Hon Charles William Cayzer (b
1957) 2nd son of the 2nd Baron Rotherwick (1912-1996) by his wife
Sarah Jane Slade (1930-78) ???

Lord Caledon is twice wed and twice divorced and has issue.

Michael Rhodes
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marquess

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Nov 13, 2007, 6:45:13 AM11/13/07
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Lets hope he has another son or two, as Viscount Alexander is the only
one in remainder to the earldom, apart from the Tunis lot, and they
only have girls.

On 12 Nov, 12:52, Michael Rhodes <migx73allenford2...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

JonnyK

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Nov 14, 2007, 12:06:08 PM11/14/07
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Here's more background to the Caledon engagement from Richard Kay in
today's Daily Mail:

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Third time lucky for Nicky

After a somewhat chequered romantic career, the twice-married Earl of
Caledon will soon have a new wife on his arm to accompany him to
official soirees as Lord Lieutenant of Armagh.

Affable Nicky Caledon, 52, who owns a castle set in a 5,000-acre
Ulster estate plus 3,000 acres in Hertfordshire, has rediscovered
happiness with divorcee Amanda Cayzer.

Mother-of-two Amanda, 43, was married to Lord Rotherwick's brother
Charles Cayzer, a director of his family's banking fund, but they
divorced recently.

Lord Caledon, whose mother was an heiress to the Siemens industrial
fortune, was once romantically involved with artist Emma Sergeant, who
was a close friend of his second wife, designer Henrietta Newman.

Ten years ago, Henrietta obtained a decree nisi because of Nicky's
liaison with Emma, but the couple got back together and the divorce
was rescinded. Three years later she petitioned for divorce again and
this time the split was permanent.

Father-of-two Caledon, whose first wife Wendy is a Greek shipping
heiress - former King Constantine was best man at their wedding - met
Amanda 18 months ago. "We are planning a small wedding, probably in
London next year," he says.

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It seems marquess is right, there are no young male Alexander heirs
either to the Caledon or Alexander of Tunis earldoms, though it is
possible that a James Conn Alexander (b. 1907), son of Captain Conn
Alexander and a great grandson of the 3rd Earl may still be alive, and
perhaps more likely two sons of Colonel the Hon. William Sigismund
Patrick Alexander, son of the 4th Earl and brother of the ennobled
Field Marshal Alexander.

Among the Field Marshal's titles (he was created a viscount first,
then an earl) is Baron Rideau, of Ottawa, which was created on the
same date as the earldom. Although he had just finished his term as
Governor General of Canada it is interesting that this other creation
is a distinctly Canadian one. This was in 1952, some years after
Canada's independence from Britain was affirmed by the Statute of
Westminster, and the peerage refers in both style and territory
(Rideau and Ottawa) to Canadian places, in the case of the former a
river, while the primary creation of Alexander of Tunis is designated
as being 'of Errigal, County Donegal'.

marquess

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Nov 14, 2007, 12:53:19 PM11/14/07
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Well lets hope your right on the guy born in 1907, as it seems that
one earldom has definetely gone down the swaney and the other is in
grave danger of doing so.

Turenne

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Nov 14, 2007, 2:16:21 PM11/14/07
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JonnyK wrote:

>Among the Field Marshal's titles (he was created a viscount first,
>then an earl) is Baron Rideau, of Ottawa, which was created on the
>same date as the earldom.

Strange designation - doesn't Rideau mean 'curtain'?

Richard

JonnyK

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Nov 16, 2007, 6:21:14 AM11/16/07
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> Strange designation - doesn't Rideau mean 'curtain'?
>
> Richard

It does indeed mean curtain. In this context the name of the Rideau
River comes from the nearby Rideau Falls, which were named by Samuel
de Champlain in 1613, who felt the wall of water resembled a curtain.

On the point of titles designated territorially as being 'of'
somewhere outside the British Isles and being quite unusual, I have
found another one, the barony of Strathcona and Mount Royal, of Mount
Royal in the Province of Quebec and of Glencoe in the County of
Argyll, created in 1900 for the Scottish-born Canadian financier and
politician Sir Donald Smith.

Can anyone find any others?

Peter FitzGerald

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Nov 16, 2007, 6:35:44 AM11/16/07
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There have been quite a few - have a look down the list here and
you'll see many examples:

http://website.lineone.net/~david.beamish/peerages.htm

They are often given to military heroes to commemorate victories.
Indeed, the first one you come across when looking down the list is
Admiral Lord Nelson's highest title: Viscount Nelson, of the Nile and
of Burnham Thorpe in the County of Norfolk. (One of his brothers was
created Earl Nelson, of Trafalgar and of Merton in the County of
Surrey, after his death.)

They usually have to have at least one place in the United Kingdom
mentioned; the full territorial designation of the Barony of Rideau is
actually "of Ottawa and of Castle Derg in the County of Tyrone", for
instance.

Turenne

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Nov 16, 2007, 1:16:37 PM11/16/07
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Peter Fitzgerald wrote:

>.....They are often given to military heroes to commemorate victories.

The Spanish took commemorating battles even further:)

Don Pedro Velarde y Santillán
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Velarde

In commemoration his brother Don Julián Velarde y Santillán's actions
in 1808, he was created 9.III.1852 Vizconde del Dos de Mayo and Conde
de Velarde.

Richard

bx...@yahoo.com

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Nov 16, 2007, 4:27:05 PM11/16/07
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The bad news is the Caledon earldom is in trouble with few heirs.

The best hope, of course, is Viscount Alexander (the heir) who is only
17.
(Incidentally, his mother Henrietta is a granddaughter of Sir Cecil
Newman, 2nd Bt.)

The only other males in remainder to the title (per Debrett's 2003)
are two brothers (ages 72 and 69). Between them, there is only 1
daughter. (The brothers are sons of the late Col. William Sigismund
Patrick Alexander, yst son of the 4th Earl.

James Conn Alexander (b. 1907) is not listed at all and is probably
deceased. In any event, Burke's shows him as childless.

The other Alexander earldom is is even worse shape. I believe the
only male in remainder to that title is the current Earl's brother who
is in his late 60's.

Brooke
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