Honours on the Demise of the Queen

[ThomasFoolery]

At a glance:

The Marquess of Cholmondeley —GCVO

Former Lord Great Chamberlain

The Earl of Dalhousie — GCVO 

Former Lord Steward

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DCVO
Jennifer Susan Gordon Lennox, CVO, lately Lady in Waiting to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II

Jennifer Susan Gibbs, the daughter of Captain Hon. Vicary Paul Gibbs and Jean Frances Hambro. She married Captain Michael Charles Gordon-Lennox, son of Rear-Admiral Sir Alexander Henry Charles Gordon-Lennox and Barbara Steele, in 1974.

DCVO
Philippa de Pass, CVO, lately Lady in Waiting to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II

Philippa Cobbold, the daughter of Major Robert Nevill Cobbold and Patricia Mary Adela Gibson-Watt. She married Lt.-Cdr. Robert Eliot Frank de Pass, son of Harold de Pass and Jean Ralston Holmes-Ker, in 1955.

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LVO
The Lady Elizabeth Mary Cecilia Leeming, lately Lady in Waiting to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II

Lady Elizabeth Mary Cecilia Bowes-Lyon, the daughter of Fergus Michael Claude Bowes-Lyon, 17th Earl of Strathmore and Kinghorne and Mary Pamela McCorquodale. She married Antony Richard Leeming, son of Richard Whiteside Leeming and Iris Mary Tempest, on 1 September 1990.

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LVO

Susan Willa Rhodes, lately Lady in Waiting to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II

Susan Simon married Simon John Gravenor Rhodes, son of Denys Gravenor Rhodes and Hon. Margaret Elphinstone, in 1983.

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is she related to the Gibbs distant relatives of the royal family?

[colinp]

Does anyone have DOB's for Dames Helen Cross and Philippa de Pass?

[S R Eglesfield]

According to https://www.geni.com/people/Dame-Philippa-de-Pass-DCVO/6000000046911398939, Dame Philippa de Pass was born on 12 June 1936.

I cannot find an exact date of birth for Dame Helen Andrea Louise Cross, née Spiller. However, her birth was registered in St Marylebone in Q4 1966.

[colinp]

Thank you

[colinp]

It is odd that the Earl of Dalhousie was referred to as such in the notice in the Gazette of his appointment as GCVO when he is not on the Peerage Roll.

[S. S.]

I think it would have been rather rude to simply have stated "Mr James Ramsay", the long-time Lord Steward, receiving the GCVO in the LG notice, instead of referring to his peerage title.

S.S.

[Robert Jewell]

Yes. There is a difference between the official rule, and social grace. Whether he has satisfied the legal requirements, or not, he is still the Earl by inheritance.

[colinp]

Yes, but the Royal Warrant states that he is not to be addressed as an earl officially if he is not on the Roll.  Of course he is the Earl and may be addressed as such socially but not officially.  The fault lies with the Royal Household in not requiring him to be entered on the Roll before he was appointed as Lord Steward.  It is an extraordinary lapse on their part.

[S. S.]

Among the myriad of things that the officials will have to worry about, I am pretty sure the roll did not come up in their minds in the heat of the moment. I for one really do not see a point of the roll as more and more peers don't bother enrolling themselves on it. As distant cousins and other relations succeed to peerages, especially in foreign nations, fewer and fewer peers will elect to have themselves enrolled, as we have already observed from a few examples. 

S.S.

[malcolm davies]

colinp,

           That is precisely the point-the Crown is undermining the Roll of the Peerage in what they have done.

Another example-the Duke of Argyll is Hereditary Master of the Household in Scotland, but not on the Roll.I haven't heard of him being denied status because of that(please correct me if I am wrong).

[malcolm davies]

I should add this-as far as I am aware,there is no reason why the Crown cannot add a person who is recognised as a peer to the Roll if they choose to do so.

[Shachar Raz]

The Roll is prepared by the Lord Chancellor/Secretary of State for Justice, not the sovereign.

[BREMENMURRAY]

I have no doubt the Royal Family regarded him as Earl of Dalhousie from the date he inherited and indeed  all other members of the peerage by their titles without any reference to the Roll of the  Peerage 

[malcolm davies]

Clause 3 of the Royal Warrant creating the Roll of the Peerage is as follows:-
3. Peers not entered on the Roll not entitled to precedence of Peerage, etc.
Any Peer who is not entered on the Roll shall not:
(a) be entitled to any precedence attaching to his Peerage;
(b) be addressed or referred to by any title attaching to his Peerage in any

civil or military Commission, Letters Patent, or other official document.

Accordingly the Crown has not been following its own procedure.