Lady Iris Mountbatten

[https:/www.LeighRayment.com.au]

An interesting article in the DM on Lady Iris Mountbatten. Surprisingly, when she was born, she was 13th to the Succession to the throne.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-14734615/Lady-Iris-Mountbatten-black-sheep-royal-family.html

[Richard R]

13th in line doesn't sound right. I think the Duke of Connaught & Strathern was 12th in line in 1920, followed by his son Prince Arthur b 1883 (13th) and gs (14th, the future 3rd Duke of Fife) and then the Duke's daughters starting with The Crown Princess of Sweden (15th in line) and her 4 sons and dau, followed by Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein and her son and two daus. After them comes Princess Louise, Duchess of Argyll AND THEN Princess Beatrice and her son The Marquess of Carisbrooke, who was f of Lady Iris Mounbatten b 1920 - about 28th in line at the time of her birth. Or have I got that wrong?

[S R Eglesfield]

By my reckoning, Queen Marie of Roumania was 13th in line in 1920, and Lady Iris Mountbatten would have been a long way behind her, being a granddaughter of Queen Victoria's youngest daughter. The first 13 in the line of succession in 1920:

1. Prince of Wales (later King EDWARD VIII)

2. Duke of York (so created 3 June 1920; later King GEORGE VI)

3. Prince Henry, later Duke of Gloucester

4. Prince George, later Duke of Kent

5. Princess Mary, later Princess Royal, Countess of Harewood

6. Princess Louise, Princess Royal, Duchess of Fife

7. Princess Arthur of Connaught, suo jure 2nd Duchess of Fife

8. Earl of MacDuff, later 2nd and last Duke of Connaught and Strathearn

9. Princess Maud of Fife, later Countess of Southesk

10. Princess Victoria

11. Queen Maud of Norway

12. Crown Prince of Norway (later King Olav V)

13. Queen Marie of Roumania

[dpth...@gmail.com]

She would have come after almost all Queen Victoria's other descendants except for Queen Ena and her children, and the fact that Queen Victoria had forty grandchildren should show that Iris was nowhere close to 13th in line, even if one discounts all the Germans who had recently fought against Britain.

[Gawin]

Queen Marie of Romania lost her place in the line of succession when she married a Roman Catholic, the future King Ferdinand I of Romania. So did her sister Beatrice who married Infante Alfonso of Spain.

[Chris Pitt Lewis]

I think it was a misprint for 113th.

On a rough count using Marlene Eilers' excellent "Queen Victoria's Descendants," I made her 112th, but I or they could easily have miscounted slightly, or the discrepancy could be caused by the doubtful legitimacy of Carol, son of the future Carol II of Romania and Zizi Lambrino, who was born 5 days before her. His parents' marriage had been annulled before he was born (or indeed conceived). A French Court ruled in 1955 that he was legitmate, but he would undoubtedly have been considered illegitimate at the time. I did not count him, but others might.

Iris was the last but one of Queen Victoria's descendants in the line of succession when she was born, followed only by her uncle Lord Leopold Montbatten, Queen Ena of Spain and her descendants being excluded by catholicism. After Leopold would have come Prince Ernst August of Hanover, the former 3rd Duke of Cumberland.

Chris Pitt Lewis

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[dpth...@gmail.com]

Thanks.. I thought it must be much higher than 13. With all due respect, I was surprised that Leigh Rayment believed that.

[S R Eglesfield]

My thanks to Gawin for his correction. The actual 13th in line in 1920 was therefore the Crown Prince of Roumania (later King Carol II).

[malcolm davies]

She had a son,Robin Bryan who is now 67.He has 3 children,but there is no indication that he has been married.

[https:/www.LeighRayment.com.au]

Actually I should have given it some thought, as I wrote what was published in the Daily Mail.

Though, it is interesting to see who was in the line of succession, discounting those that were Catholic and maybe also those that were considered enemies of the state.

[gorgo...@gmail.com]

Dpth,

Leigh Rayment died several years ago. He was very knowledgeable person.  Please, don't use his name in such context.

[dpth...@gmail.com]

Gorg,
If that is indeed true, then your complaint should not be to me, but to whomever is using his name here. The first post in this thread was made by someone called "Leigh Rayment".

[BREMENMURRAY]

She was also excluded from the line of succession her first marriage was to a Catholic Captain Hamilton Joseph O Malley. Would she regain her place after getting divorced? In a Canadian newspaper interview in 1981 she said she could not care less about losing her place but everyone else seemed to care more. Her mother told her not to go to the funeral of her grandmother Princess Beatrice because she was getting divorced but apparently attended anyway. In 1979 Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother arranged for her to attend Lord Mountbatten's funeral and wanted her to attend the Kings wedding to Dianna in 1981 but at the time of the article she had not received an invitation.

The following year she had an obit in the New York Times. Her three grandchildren were born out of wedlock and are not in the line of succession  

[https:/www.LeighRayment.com.au]

I use the URL for the website of Leigh Rayment, as the website which I have been continuing with the approval of his family his website. Initially I moved it all to my main website, Maltagenealogy.com then finally set it up on its own. Not the original website of .com but as .com.au

Hence why my name here is as it is.. This is not new information. As it has been reported and so far it has continued, with maintaining the peerages and the Baronets.. I have not successfully maintain the Knighthoods or other parts, though they still exist in the website.

https://leighrayment.com.au

[dpth...@gmail.com]

I suppose that you could run a copy of his website without using his name as your User name here, but I guess you're welcome to use anyone's name you please if you don't want to use your own.

I don't, or, I guess, didn't, know Leigh Rayment, and as far as I know have never visited his website, but I have always heard him spoken of with respect. That is why I was surprised that he would believe that nonsense about Iris Mountbatten just because he read it somewhere on the internet. Had I known that it was someone using his name I would not have said anything.

[https:/www.LeighRayment.com.au]

It's all good. I am not disrespecting his memory, though it is nice that his hard work doesn't go astray nor his memory.

Maybe I revert to my name in due course.

Tx.

[BREMENMURRAY]

At the Coronation of 12 May 1937 two other future "Blacksheep" joined Lady Iris Mountbatten on the balcony of Buckingham Palace,Viscount Lascelles and Gerald Lascelles