GORDON / McChesney engagement

[Richard R]

From the Telegraph of 22 December 2016: Lady Anna Gordon and Miss S. McChesney - The engagement is announced between Anna, daughter of the Marquess and Marchioness of Aberdeen and Temair, of Methlick, Aberdeenshire, and Sarah, daughter of Mr and Mrs John McChesney, of Douglas, Isle of Man

Lady Anna Katherine GORDON (b 1988) d of 7th Marquess of ABERDEEN & TEMAIR (b 1955) and Joanna Clodagh (b 1955) d of Maj Ian George Henry HOULDSWORTH TD (1921-63), scion of the gentry family of that name of Coltness, and of the MORTON and FITZWILLIAM earls, ST ALBANS dukes, etc, etc, and Clodagh (b 1928) d of Sir Kenneth MURRAY (1891-1979), scion of the Scots gentry family of that name of Geanies, and Edith Maud TUSTIN (1897-1982).

Sarah Louise (b c1987 reg Q1 Wiltshire) d of John McCHESNEY and Kim L GRIFFIN.

[richard hill]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4077570/SEBASTIAN-SHAKESPEARE-Lady-Anna-Gordon-works-Prince-Charles-set-aristocrat-gay-wedding.html

[marquess]

Another step towards the abyss! 

[Netty]

Wonder if this will really be the first aristocratic gay wedding as the Daily Mail says. I remember at least a few civil partnerships in the past, probably not directly children or grandchildren of a Duke, Earl, Viscount, Marquess or Baron ... but still. Although I see that you actually can get married in England, Wales and Scotland since 2014.

[Michael Rhodes]

Lord Daresbury's son, the Hon Toby Greenall is also planning a same-sex marriage:-

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/peerage-news/daresbury%7Csort:relevance/peerage-news/TDXvir5wsFA/KI6Ws-42AQAJ

[www.maltagenealogy.com]

In this case, will Lady Anne's future wife become Lady ?

How would they be announced ??

Lady Anna and Sarah Gordon ?

[marquess]

No is the answer,  titles of honour can not be refashioned to accommodate such unions.

On Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 7:02:37 PM UTC+7, Richard R wrote:

[www.maltagenealogy.com]

So if Sarah takes on her partners surname, then she will be Mrs Sarah Gordon. Most likely Mrs Sarah McChesney Gordon or Gordon McChesney.

Thanks for that.

[andrewbe...@gmail.com]

Lady Anna's title comes from the fact that she is the daughter of a Marquess and not, per se, her's. Indeed, as titles are transferred (in the majority of cases - leaving aside the Queen and peeress in their own right) through the male Lady Anna has nothing to transfer. Same sex marriages are the anomaly to titles etc and in an age when titles mean less and less there is no great urgency to change the status quo.

Miss McChesney could of course keep her own name.

[Harry Merritt]

Or Lady Anna could become Lady Anna McChesney or Lady Anna Gordon-McChesney or Lady Anna McChesney-Gordon.

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[colinp]

Both Sir George Agnew Bt (cr 1895 UK) and Sir John Graham Bt (cr 1964 UK) were in civil partnerships according to the latest Debretts - they may have upgraded them to marriages

[richard hill]

Sir George Agnew 7th Brt, b. 1953, c.p to Adrian White 2007.
Sir John Moodie Graham 2nd Brt of Dromore, b. 1938 div. 1982. 3 daus, living Fort Lauderdale 2003.

[Netty]

Which is of course well possible, so that is why I wondered. So much fuzz about this being the "first" aristocratic same-sex marriage, when it actually might not be.

Op dinsdag 3 januari 2017 15:03:30 UTC+1 schreef colinp:

[Harry Merritt]

Last September, Peerage News reported the marriage, in Newport, Rhode Island, USA, of Hon. Esmond Vyvyan Harmsworth, b. 1967, son of 2nd Viscount Rothermere and his American 3rd wife Mary Elizabeth (Murchison) Ohrstrom, to a Jerome Buet. The listing said they married Sept. 16, 2016 at Mr. Harmsworth's home.