Foley / DE ZULUETA engagement

[Richard R]

From the Telegraph of 26 January 2016: Mr W.J. Foley and Miss G.M-L.P. de Zulueta - The engagement is announced between William, eldest son of Christopher and Sarah Foley, and Gala, daughter of Francis and Pandora de Zulueta.

Gala Marie-Louise Philomena (b 1988) d of Francis Philip Harold DE ZULUETA (b 1959), scion of the gentry family of that name and of the WINDLESHAM barons, and Pandora JEFFREYS (previously w of the Hon Edward Abdy WODEHOUSE, scion of the KIMBERLEY earls).

[G. Willis]

In connection with the de Zulueta family, I wonder if anyone here knows who the current Conde de Torre Diaz is? I believe the 5th holder of the title was a Catholic priest, and as such had no issue, but I'm not sure if he had any brothers; Alfonso (the 5th Conde) was 2nd cousin to Sir Philip, the father of Francis P. H. de Zulueta, as above. I think BLG 1965 should be illuminating on this point, but I'm afraid I don't have it, so if anyone does and might take a quick look it'd be much appreciated!

[Netty]

You're right.
The Rev. Alfonso de Zulueta, 5th conde de Torre Diaz was ordained deacon in 1931 and priest in the same year. Born 6 februari 1903.

Don Melchor de Zárate y Cologán requested to succeed Don Alfonso de Zulueta y Ruiz-Tagle (the one mentioned as being born in 1903) as Conde de Torre Diaz on 23 December 1983. Announced in the BOE (Boletín Oficial del Estado), 6 February 1984. On 15 December 1982 the title had already been claimed by Don Pablo de Zulueta y Tessa. Also Don Rafael Merry del Val y Melgarejo and Don Tomás Cologan Machado requested for the title as turned out in June 1984.

Then on 27 June 1986 it was announced that it was decided taht the new title holder would be don Pablo de Zulueta y Browning [in 1984 accidentally mentioned as de Zulueta y Tessa]. He is in Burke's Peerage as being born in 1956 (Paul Gerald) as son of Peter Paul John de Zulueta (* 1928) and Tessa Browning. Peter Paul John was a son of Pedro Juan (grandson of the 2nd conde de Torre Diaz) and his wife Dora Frances Emblin Marshall - later wife of the 5th Marquess of Bristol.

[Netty]

Alfonso de Zulueta, born 1903, seems to have died some time before 5 July 1980.
http://archive.thetablet.co.uk/article/5th-july-1980/21/obituary-alfonso-de-zulueta

He died in a drowning accident in Spain June 1980.

http://www.christopherlong.co.uk/pri/calprintjournalism1981-2/slides/19810424%20CANON%20ALFONSO%20DE%20ZULUETA%20CN.html

Op dinsdag 26 januari 2016 17:17:41 UTC+1 schreef Netty:

[G. Willis]

Excellent, Netty- thank you very much for that.

[Netty]

You're welcome.

The present conde's father, Peter Paul Andrew John (Bournemouth, Hampshire, 18 March 1928-7 February 1982), apparently used the title of Conde de Torre Diaz in his death announcement if I may believe the Times entry in Ancestry. But it seems he never requested for the title in Spain ... which is in Spain, as it seems to be in Great Britain, necessary.

[G. Willis]

Ah, I see; interesting to get an insight into how the Spanish system works. I assume, given that his son was confirmed as the next Conde, P. P. A. J. de Zulueta would have been successful in making his own claim. I wonder why he didn't apply? I can't imagine he would have been unfamiliar with the requirements involved. To be honest, to me (someone with basically no knowledge of the European systems) it seems strange to have to apply for your own father's title on his death, similar to the case with baronetcies here, but no doubt there are numerous good reasons for why that's the case!

[marquess]

My understanding of the Spanish system is that in some cases if the title is not claimed in three years then it is declared vacant and can be claimed by the next heir. If I am wrong on this point then I am quite happy to be corrected.

[richard hill]

The marriage did not take place.