Inglis baronets of Nether Cramond

[gorgo...@gmail.com]

Sir William St Clair Inglis, 13th Baronet,  is now entered on the Official Roll of the Baronetage. 

What is known about the new baronet?

Leigh Rayment's site states that the baronetcy became either еxtinct or dormant in 1817.

[davidga...@gmail.com]

On wikipedia there is a gap between 5th and 13th baronet. Who were the others baronets?

[hamish]

All the official sources Ive read stated that the baronetcy was extinct - and has been since the death of the 5th Baronet in 1817..... but now it states it was dormant... so Im assuming some distant relative has traced his descent etc - but then does this mean that the other baronets between 6th-12th been made "retrospectively"?   I would love to know the full story please as the new 13th Baronet is now on the Official Roll and I hate unsolved mysteries!

[Henry W]

The Complete Baronetage, Volume IV, Page 349 states that this baronetcy was created with remainder to "heirs male whatsoever", and in fact lists it as "extinct or dormant". It is pretty much impossible for such titles to become extinct as you can always go back many generations before the original grantee.  I presume this new Baronet is some collateral relation descended from an ancestor of the 1st baronet. I believe that the standard practice is that the 6th to 12th baronets would be retrospective acknowledgements.

Like you, I'd love to know more!

[G. Willis]

When I first saw this thread a few days ago I looked online about William St Clair Inglis and found virtually nothing; one result was this geni page- https://www.geni.com/people/Alexander-Inglis/6000000005956431221 - which details several St Clair Inglis family members. Given the uncommon combination of names I would tentatively conclude this to be the same family, but going backward I found no obvious conjunction with the baronetical family so gave up. Considering what Henry says re: the nature of the creation, however, this could well come together, were an interested party to go to the effort of corroborating all the connections the geni site provides.

[G. Willis]

Apologies- obviously I couldn't have seen the thread 'a few days ago' as it was only created yesterday!

[William Douglas]

Anyone else have a problem reaching Official Roll of the Baronetage - https://www.baronetage.org/official-roll-of-the-baronets/  ?

[marquess]

I can't access it either.

[colinp]

I made an enquiry of the Secretary of the Standing Council of the Baronetage.  She kindly forwarded a note she had received from the Official Registrar containing a brief summary of the succession.  Unfortunately it does not take us very much further forward but may provide a little more information for further research.

The Official Registrar (Grant Bavister) comments that he became aware of the claim last summer when Lord Lyon consulted him on a point arising from Lord Lyon's judgment on the trial of the new Baronet's petition to matriculate Arms. 

Evidently the succession to the Baronetcy passed back to the line from James Inglis of Edinburgh (who died in 1602), then through the line from his 2nd son Cornelius Inglis (the elder) whose elder brother Archibald's line (which included the 5th baronet and his younger brothers had become extinct by 1849.  From Cornelius Inglis (the elder) the baronetcy descended through his 8th son Cornelius Inglis (the younger), any senior lines of descent from his seven elder brothers having been shown to be extinct, and then forward from Cornelius Inglis (the younger) to the present Baronet, Sir William St Clair Inglis of Nether Cramond who has been established to be the 13th Baronet

On Sunday, 28 April 2019 11:41:09 UTC+1, gorgo...@gmail.com wrote:

[Henry W]

All - the Baronetage website was down on evening of 29 April, down throughout 30 April and has come back up today, 1 May

Colin - thanks for that post. It will be, I am sure, very helpful in trying to tie together the different strands of this family.

I did some searching for anybody of the name William St Clair Inglis.  None born in England & Wales with that name or reasonably close derivation I think. There is a possible name born in Scotland: William Sinclair Inglis, born 1983 in Paisley (found via the scotlandspeople.gov.uk website).  Not sure this is correct, but it is not unknown for Sinclair to equal St Clair within the family. Of course the new baronet could be completely outside the UK.

[G. Willis]

Notwithstanding its not 100% reliable status, the Geni site I previously linked appears to corroborate your details, Colin (thanks for contacting those in the know!), with the descent from Cornelius Inglis the younger, based on the appearance of 'St Clair' in the names of one branch, presumably continuing as follows:

Cornelius Inglis (the younger)

William Inglis (1632-1688)

William Inglis (1664-1725)

John Inglis (1712-1784)

William Inglis (1735-1790)

Robert Inglis (c. 1775-1834)

Alexander St Clair Inglis (1829-1906)- according to this site, the only one of Robert Inglis's children to bear the name 'St Clair'. Alexander has four sons listed; one, William Anderson St Clair Inglis (1871-1913) had a son, Charles Rupert St Clair Inglis (1903-1970); could HIS son William Hugh St Clair Inglis be the 13th baronet?

This is speculative, of course, but might be a starting point for anyone interested.

[G. Willis]

Also- a search of World records on findmypast shows William Anderson St Clair Inglis to have died in New Zealand, possibly indicating the present location of this branch.

[colinp]

Baronetage.org has a new look website with a Kershaw list updated to 22 May. Unfortunately no further information given re an heir to this revived baronetcy

[Henry W]

The new Kershaw list, dated 12 January 2020, gives the baronet as William St Clair Inglis, born 1943, succ 1970, so the speculative line suggested by G Willis on 1 May may be the correct line as Charles Rupert St Clair died 1970. An heir apparent is given as the son of the current baronet, born 1973. No A/B status is given, so the immediate future of the title is presumably secure.

[colinp]

I noticed from the website of the Court of the Lord Lyon (http://courtofthelordlyon.scot/notes%20and%20judgments.htm) that the judgment of Lord Lyon in the baronetcy petition for Inglis of Nether Cramond is available.  Unfortunately the link isn't working at the moment but an official of the Court kindly emailed me a copy - copy attached if anyone is interested.

I was hoping that the decision would shed more light on the descent of the present baronet from Cornelius Inglis yr and in particular whether it confirms G Willis's suggestions in his post above, but there isn't a great deal of additional info in the decision - there was clearly a genealogy submitted with the petition and which is referred to but the descent is not set out.

However the decision does confirm the present Baronet lives in New Zealand (see his address on the front page) and it would appear his branch of the family have been domiciled in NZ since the 19th C.

Paragraphs 12 and 14 are however useful.  Para 15 includes a statement that Robert Inglis of Kirkmay made a Memorial to establish a claim to the baronetcy in the 1830's  - he may therefore be the Robert Inglis (1775-1834) mentioned in G Willis's post.  The claim was not however taken forward.  There was correspondence about the claim with the then Lord Lyon when the Official Roll was established in 1910 but it appears there were communication difficulties given the family had become based in NZ.

Para 17 (i) mentions the present Baronet's children Guy Edward St Clair Inglis of Nether Cramond yr (b 28 Nov 1973) and Anna Mary St Clair Inglis b 8 Oct 1971.

[www.maltagenealogy.com]

Here is a lineage to how the new Baronet succeeded to this dormant Baronet.

Inglis Family (Male descendants)

1. James Inglis, Merchant (1534-1602), married to Margaret Leiche, with issue.

1.1. Cornelius Inglis, (d. 1603), married with issue.

1.2.1. John Inglis.

1.2.2. Andrew Inglis, (1597-).

1.2.3. Thomas Inglis, (1599-).

1.2.4. William Inglis, (1602-).

1.2.5. James Inglis.

1.2.6. Patrick Inglis.

1.2.7. Cornelius Inglis of Barnes, (1607-), married to Janet William Kelly, with issue.

1.2.7.1. William Inglis, (1634-1688), married to Elspeth Johnston, with issue.

1.2.7.1.1. William Inglis, (1664-1725), married to Janet Mercer, with issue.

1.2.7.1.1.1. James Inglis, (1712-).

1.2.7.1.1.2. Adam Inglis, (1718-).

1.2.7.1.1.3. John Inglis, (1712-1784), married to Isobel Forbes, with issue.

1.2.7.1.1.3.1. John Inglis, (1738-1764).

1.2.7.1.1.3.2. James Inglis, (1740-).

1.2.7.1.1.3.3. William Inglis, (1735-1790 Crail, Fife), married to Elizabeth Campbell, with issue.

1.2.7.1.1.3.3.1. John Inglis, (1763-1799).

1.2.7.1.1.3.3.2. William Inglis, (1766-1767), d.inf.

1.2.7.1.1.3.3.3. Robert Inglis, (1775-1834) deJure 6th Baronet, married (1) to Mary Anderson, married (2) Frances Hoare, with issue.

1.2.7.1.1.3.3.3.1. (First marriage) Robert Inglis, (1813-1841), dunm.

1.2.7.1.1.3.3.3.2. James Inglis, (1817-1854), deJure 7th Baronet, dunm.

1.2.7.1.1.3.3.3.3. Capt William Inglis, (1821-1871), deJure 8th Baronet, married to Jane Hatton, sp.

1.2.7.1.1.3.3.3.4. John Inglis, (1826-1847), dunm.

1.2.7.1.1.3.3.3.5. Alexander St Clair Inglis, (1829-1906), deJure 9th Baronet, married to Maria Lambert, (1838-1927), with issue.

1.2.7.1.1.3.3.3.5.1. Norman Inglis, (1863-1886), d.inf.

1.2.7.1.1.3.3.3.5.2. Robert Charles St Clair Inglis, (1865-1931), deJure 10th Baronet, married to Nina Olive Russell. (might have had a son and 11th Baronet) !!

1.2.7.1.1.3.3.3.5.3. William Anderson St Clair Inglis, (1871-1913)., married with issue.

1.2.7.1.1.3.3.3.5.3.1. Charles Rupert St Clair Inglis, (1903-1970), deJure 12th Baronet, married with issue.

1.2.7.1.1.3.3.3.5.3.1.1. William Hugh St Clair Inglis, (1942-, 13th Baronet since 1970, admitted since 2018.

1.2.7.1.1.4. William Inglis.

1.2.7.1.2. James Inglis.

1.2.7.2. Cornelius Inglis of Newton, (1634-), sp.

1.2.7.3. Patrick Inglis, (1638-).

1.2.7.4. John Inglis, (1648-).

1.2.7.5. James Inglis.

1.2.7.6. Thomas Inglis.

1.2.8. Walter Inglis.

1.2. Archibald Inglis, (d. 1599), married to Sarah Spiers, with issue.

1.2.1. James Inglis, (d. 1637), married to Sarah Morrison, with issue.

1.2.1.1. Archibald Inglis, (1610-), d.inf.

1.2.1.2. John Inglis of Cramond, (1612-1686), married to Janet Ellis, with issue.

1.2.1.2.1. James Inglis, (1641-), d.inf.

1.2.1.2.2. John Inglis, (1642-1664), dunm.

1.2.1.2.3. James Inglis, (1650-), d.inf.

1.2.1.2.4. Sir James Inglis of Cramond, 1st Baronet 1687, (1660-1688), married with issue (Dormant 1817).

1.2.1.3. Thomas Inglis, (1614-), dunm.

1.2.1.4. James Inglis, (1616-), dunm.

Reference: https://www.geni.com/people/Sir-James-Inglis-of-Cramond-1st-Baronet/6000000008103662604 

[colinp]

Charles Rupert St Clair Inglis (1903-1970) m 1939 Susan Ann White (1909-1989) - see www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz - and for their gravestone see https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/152412654/charles-rupert_st_clair-inglis which also links to his parents' and other family graves.

 I had an email from a lady who has married into the family of Alexander St Clair Inglis (28 Aug 1829- 4 March 1906).  He emigrated to NZ on the ship "Agra" in 1852 landing in Wellington in March 1852.  Alexander was noted as a sheep grazier at a property called "Spring Hill" Ruataniwha, Hawker's Bay in 1866.  He was commissioned as a lieutenant in the Napier Militia on 6 Jan 1869 and he served as a JP and elections returning officer. My correspondent reports that the National Library of NZ has a number of digitised letters and also sketches/photographs made/taken by Alexander

[colinp]

The digital DPG doesn't give any collateral lines but does confirm the descent of the baronetcy after it became dormant in 1817 and agrees with the descent in maltagenealogy's  post 12/10/2020 with "11th Baronet's details to be confirmed"

The present baronet's year of birth is given as 1942 not 1943 but this may well be incorrect as his son and ha's birth is given as 1972 and not 1973 as in Lord Lyon's judgement ( see above).

[colinp]

Lyon Court on Twitter: "The Lord Lyon has matriculated arms for Sir William St Clair Inglis of Nether Cramond, Baronet. The artist was Annette Reed. https://t.co/tmNIeYGvs5" / Twitter

[Robert Jewell]

That's 48 years between putative succession and recognition. I wonder how much it cost Sir William to be recognized. And, what is the worth of such a title in New Zealand?

[marquess]

A great deal when there are very few who have such a title in those parts.