Ailesbury M - Earl of Cardigan to divorce wife
Shinjinee
1952) heir to the Marquess of Ailesbury, is divorcing his wife of
several years, the former Rosemary Winkley. He has one son (the
second heir apparent) and one daughter (the Catherine mentioned in the
article).
According to the Daily Mail, the relationship disintegrated after he
visited a clinic for depression. (It is unclear if he was the first to
be admitted or his daughter). He started a relationship with a
married woman, wife of a wealthy American property developer.
The current fight is over the marital home Savernake Lodge. Based on
the Bowes-Lyon case, Lady Cardigan might lose her fight to remain
there.
Lord Cardigan's 81 year old father has been thrice married, and has
one son and two daughters (the younger the Lady Carina mentioned in
the article) by his first wife Edwina; two daughters by his second
wife; and no children by his third wife.
http://www.thepeerage.com/p2489.htm#i24889
The grandfather the 7th Marquess of Ailesbury (1904-1971) was also
thrice married; by his first wife Joan (d 1937) he had two sons,
including the present Marquess; by his second wife (div 1948) he had
no children; by his third wife (md 1950) he had a third son.
His eldest son is the present 8th Marquess (father of one son and four
daughters; one grandson via the son); the second son Lord Piers died
without sons; the third son married 1996 but has no issue listed.
http://www.thepeerage.com/p2551.htm#i25503
The next heirs to the Marquessate must come from the younger brother
of the 5th Marquess - Commodore Lord Robert Thomas Brudenell-Bruce+
b. 25 Jan 1845, d. 15 Feb 1912
The 6th Marquess had one son and two daughters by his first wife; the
5th Marquess had only the one son and two daughters; the 4th Marquess
was his nephew who had no issue (and had a colorful and scandalous
life); and all subsequent heirs come from the 3rd Marquess.
http://www.thepeerage.com/p1720.htm#i17191
Lord Robert Thomas Brudenell-Bruce had four sons and three daughters.
The second son was
George Lionel Thomas Brudenell (b. 26 August 1880, d. 8 August 1962),
of Deene Park, Corby, Northamptonshire, England. He inherited from the
Earls of Cardigan, one assumes.
His son was
Edmund Crispin Stephen James George Brudenell (b. 24 October 1928) who
married married Hon. Marion Cynthia Manningham-Buller, daughter of
Viscount Dilhorne (see Theroff files) and had twin sons and one
daughter. The elder brother is Robert Edmund Brudenell. The younger
son is
Thomas Mervyn Brudenell b. 12 August 1956 who has two daughters by his
first wife (d 1993) and is now married to Amanda Naylor-Leyland,
stepdaughter of the 7th Earl of Wilton.
No heirs apparently in future generations from this branch
The third son of Lord Robert Brudenell-Bruce was
Colonel Robert Hanbury Brudenell-Bruce+ b. 24 Oct 1881, d. 12 Feb 1955
His son by his second wife Judith Keppel was
Captain Chandos Robert Henry Brudenell-Bruce+ b. 8 Apr 1923, d. 1993
His son was
Andrew Robert Joel Brudenell-Bruce+ b. 27 Jul 1951 who is married to
Sophie Inch, and has one son (Henry Robert Woolf Brudenell-Bruce b. 28
Aug 1976) and three daughters Alice, Christabel (Lawson-Johnston),
and Florence Brudenell-Bruce.
A possibility of heirs from this branch.
The youngest son of Lord Robert Brudenell-Bruce was
John Charles Brudenell-Bruce+ b. 6 Mar 1885, d. 13 Feb 1960 who had
three sons and three daughters by his second wife
The eldest son is David (unmarried); the second is Simon Robert
Brudenell-Bruce+ b. 8 Oct 1928 (living in New Zealand); father of one
son (Peter Gregory Brudenell-Bruce b. 9 Sep 1965) and two daughters by
his first wife. The third son was Marc Hadrian Brudenell-Bruce (b. 21
May 1930, d. 27 February 1965) who had one son and one daughter by his
second wife, before dying in an accident aged 34. The son Marc Raymond
Christopher Brudenell-Bruce b. 3 April 1962 lives in Australia. These
are the descendants of the 1st Marquess of Ailesbury recorded in
thePeerage.com.
This branch is totally unknown to me.
Updates welcome. It appears that the line of descent from the 5th
Marquess downwards depends on the present Earl of Cardigan, his son
(b. 1982) and his half-brother (b. 1951). After that, the next heirs
are Edmund Brudenell (husband of a daughter of Viscount Dilhorne) and
his twin sons b. 1956, of whom one is apparently unmarried and the
other has no sons by two marriages. After that, we have the line of
Andrew Brudenell-Bruce (who has a son b. 1976). Then there are the
Aussie and Kiwi Brudenell-Bruces who are a mystery to me.
I won't say that the family is teetering on extinction, but in the
younger generations (35 and under), the only heirs known to me are
Viscount Savernake (b. 1982) and Henry Brudenell-Bruce (b. 1976).
BTW, Jeremy Brudenell, husband of Edwina Hicks, does not fit into this
family.
Shinjinee
Shinjinee
http://freespace.virgin.net/brudenell.forum/index.htm
Brudenell website
http://members.cox.net/ghgraham/michaelbrudenell-bruce.html
1963 remarriage of Viscountess Savernake (Edwina de Winton-Wills) and
the birth of more children
Shinjinee
bx...@yahoo.com
other than the two you mentioned.
Edmund (b. 1928) to his son Robert (b. 1956) and then to his son
William Robert (b. 2000)
the late John Charles (1885-1960) to his son Simon (b. 1928) to his
son Peter (b. 1965) and then to his son Hayden Robert (b. 1998).
Brooke
On Oct 15, 10:53�am, Shinjinee <ssen_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> According to Richard Kay of the Daily Mail, the Earl of Cardigan (b.
> 1952) heir to the Marquess of Ailesbury, is divorcing his wife of
> several years, the former Rosemary Winkley. He has one son (the
> second heir apparent) and one daughter (the Catherine mentioned in the
> article).
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/columnists/columnists....
marquess
very much!
On 15 Oct, 08:20, "b...@yahoo.com" <b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Shinjinee, in looking at Debrett's 2003, I do see some younger males
> other than the two you mentioned.
>
> Edmund (b. 1928) to his son Robert (b. 1956) and then to his son
> William Robert (b. 2000)
>
> the late John Charles (1885-1960) to his son Simon (b. 1928) to his
> son Peter (b. 1965) and then to his son Hayden Robert (b. 1998).
>
> Brooke
>
> On Oct 15, 10:53?am, Shinjinee <ssen_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > According to Richard Kay of the Daily Mail, the Earl of Cardigan (b.
> > 1952) heir to the Marquess of Ailesbury, is divorcing his wife of
> > several years, the former Rosemary Winkley. ?He has one son (the
> > second heir apparent) and one daughter (the Catherine mentioned in the
> > article).
>
> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/columnists/columnists....
>
> > According to the Daily Mail, the relationship disintegrated after he
> > visited a clinic for depression. (It is unclear if he was the first to
> > be admitted or his daughter). ?He started a relationship with a
> > married woman, wife of a wealthy American property developer.
>
> > The current fight is over the marital home Savernake Lodge. Based on
> > the Bowes-Lyon case, Lady Cardigan might lose her fight to remain
> > there.
>
> > Lord Cardigan's 81 year old father has been thrice married, and has
> > one son and two daughters (the younger the Lady Carina mentioned in
> > the article) by his first wife Edwina; two daughters by his second
> > wife; and no children by his third wife.
>
> >http://www.thepeerage.com/p2489.htm#i24889
>
> > The grandfather the 7th Marquess of Ailesbury (1904-1971) was also
> > thrice married; ?by his first wife Joan (d 1937) he had two sons,
> > including the present Marquess; by his second wife (div 1948) he had
> > no children; by his third wife (md 1950) he had a third son.
>
> > His eldest son is the present 8th Marquess (father of one son and four
> > daughters; one grandson via the son); the second son Lord Piers died
> > without sons; the third son married 1996 but has no issue listed.
>
> >http://www.thepeerage.com/p2551.htm#i25503
>
> > The next heirs to the Marquessate must come from the younger brother
> > of the ?5th Marquess ?- Commodore Lord Robert Thomas Brudenell-Bruce+
> > b. 25 Jan 1845, d. 15 Feb 1912
> > The 6th Marquess had one son and two daughters by his first wife; the
> > 5th Marquess had only the one son and two daughters; the 4th Marquess
> > was his nephew who had no issue (and had a colorful and scandalous
> > life); and all subsequent heirs come from the 3rd Marquess.
>
> >http://www.thepeerage.com/p1720.htm#i17191
> > Lord Robert Thomas Brudenell-Bruce had four sons and three daughters.
>
> > The second son was
> > George Lionel Thomas Brudenell (b. 26 August 1880, d. 8 August 1962),
> > of Deene Park, Corby, Northamptonshire, England. He inherited from the
> > Earls of Cardigan, one assumes.
>
> > His son was
> > Edmund Crispin Stephen James George Brudenell (b. 24 October 1928) who
> > married married Hon. Marion Cynthia Manningham-Buller, daughter of
> > Viscount Dilhorne (see Theroff files) and had twin sons and one
> > daughter. The elder brother is Robert Edmund Brudenell. ?The younger
> > son is
> > Thomas Mervyn Brudenell b. 12 August 1956 who has two daughters by his
> > first wife (d 1993) and is now married to Amanda Naylor-Leyland,
> > stepdaughter of the 7th Earl of Wilton.
>
> > No heirs apparently in future generations from this branch
>
> > The third son of Lord Robert Brudenell-Bruce was
> > Colonel Robert Hanbury Brudenell-Bruce+ b. 24 Oct 1881, d. 12 Feb 1955
>
> > His son by his second wife Judith Keppel was
> > Captain Chandos Robert Henry Brudenell-Bruce+ b. 8 Apr 1923, d. 1993
>
> > His son was
> > Andrew Robert Joel Brudenell-Bruce+ b. 27 Jul 1951 who is married to
> > Sophie Inch, and has one son (Henry Robert Woolf Brudenell-Bruce b. 28
> > Aug 1976) and three daughters ?Alice, Christabel (Lawson-Johnston),
> > and Florence Brudenell-Bruce.
>
> > A possibility of heirs from this branch.
>
> > The youngest son of Lord Robert Brudenell-Bruce was
> > John Charles Brudenell-Bruce+ b. 6 Mar 1885, d. 13 Feb 1960 who had
> > three sons and three daughters by his second wife
>
> > The eldest son is David (unmarried); the second is Simon Robert
> > Brudenell-Bruce+ b. 8 Oct 1928 (living in New Zealand); father of one
> > son (Peter Gregory Brudenell-Bruce b. 9 Sep 1965) and two daughters by
> > his first wife. The third son was Marc Hadrian Brudenell-Bruce (b. 21
> > May 1930, d. 27 February 1965) who had one son and one daughter by his
> > second wife, before dying in an accident aged 34. The son Marc Raymond
> > Christopher Brudenell-Bruce b. 3 April 1962 lives in Australia. These
> > are the descendants of the 1st Marquess of Ailesbury recorded in
> > thePeerage.com.
>
> > This branch is totally unknown to me.
>
> > Updates welcome. It appears that the line of descent from the 5th
> > Marquess downwards depends on the present Earl of Cardigan, his son
> > (b. 1982) and his half-brother (b. 1951). ?After that, the next heirs
> > are Edmund Brudenell (husband of a daughter of Viscount Dilhorne) and
> > his twin sons b. 1956, of whom one is apparently unmarried and the
> > other has no sons by two marriages. After that, we have the line of
> > Andrew Brudenell-Bruce (who has a son b. 1976). ?Then there are the
> > Aussie and Kiwi Brudenell-Bruces who are a mystery to me.
>
> > I won't say that the family is teetering on extinction, but in the
> > younger generations (35 and under), the only heirs known to me are
> > Viscount Savernake (b. 1982) and Henry Brudenell-Bruce (b. 1976).
>
> > BTW, Jeremy Brudenell, husband of Edwina Hicks, does not fit into this
> > family.
>
> > Shinjinee- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
marquess
the same state, with only two males in remainder born in the 90's a
son to Lord David and then a collateral who has a son b 98, unless of
course there are some more that I don't know about?
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
bx...@yahoo.com
find 2 born in the 90's in remainder. The good news is that there ARE
2 young ones in remainder-- it is more than a lot of peerages have
these days.
At worse, there are also males in remainder to the Earldom of
Cassillis.
Brooke
Shinjinee
no Debrett's Peerage.
To whom is Robert married? This is the branch which inherited Deene
Park (home of the infamous "Charge of the Light Brigade" 7th Earl of
Cardigan).
Richard Kay has an update to the Cardigan affair. Apparently the earl
and his octagenarian father (who had refused to attend Cardigan's
wedding) have reconciled; Ailesbury supports his son's wish to evict
his soon to be ex wife from the family home. Even if Lady Cardigan has
powerful supporters unknown to me, I am reminded of the cases of
Annette "Scruff" Howard (lost Castle Howard) and Isabel, Countess of
Strathmore, nee Weatherby (lost Glamis Castle) when their husbands
ditched them for younger spouses. Not that Cardigan's new flame is
that much younger.
Shinjinee
On Oct 16, 1:20 am, "b...@yahoo.com" <b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Shinjinee, in looking at Debrett's 2003, I do see some younger males
> other than the two you mentioned.
>
> Edmund (b. 1928) to his son Robert (b. 1956) and then to his son
> William Robert (b. 2000)
>
> the late John Charles (1885-1960) to his son Simon (b. 1928) to his
> son Peter (b. 1965) and then to his son Hayden Robert (b. 1998).
>
> Brooke
>
> On Oct 15, 10:53?am, Shinjinee <ssen_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > According to Richard Kay of the Daily Mail, the Earl of Cardigan (b.
> > 1952) heir to the Marquess of Ailesbury, is divorcing his wife of
> > several years, the former Rosemary Winkley. ?He has one son (the
> > second heir apparent) and one daughter (the Catherine mentioned in the
> > article).
>
> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/columnists/columnists....
>
> > According to the Daily Mail, the relationship disintegrated after he
> > visited a clinic for depression. (It is unclear if he was the first to
> > be admitted or his daughter). ?He started a relationship with a
> > married woman, wife of a wealthy American property developer.
>
> > The current fight is over the marital home Savernake Lodge. Based on
> > the Bowes-Lyon case, Lady Cardigan might lose her fight to remain
> > there.
>
> > Lord Cardigan's 81 year old father has been thrice married, and has
> > one son and two daughters (the younger the Lady Carina mentioned in
> > the article) by his first wife Edwina; two daughters by his second
> > wife; and no children by his third wife.
>
> >http://www.thepeerage.com/p2489.htm#i24889
>
> > The grandfather the 7th Marquess of Ailesbury (1904-1971) was also
> > thrice married; ?by his first wife Joan (d 1937) he had two sons,
> > including the present Marquess; by his second wife (div 1948) he had
> > no children; by his third wife (md 1950) he had a third son.
>
> > His eldest son is the present 8th Marquess (father of one son and four
> > daughters; one grandson via the son); the second son Lord Piers died
> > without sons; the third son married 1996 but has no issue listed.
>
> >http://www.thepeerage.com/p2551.htm#i25503
>
> > The next heirs to the Marquessate must come from the younger brother
> > of the ?5th Marquess ?- Commodore Lord Robert Thomas Brudenell-Bruce+
> > b. 25 Jan 1845, d. 15 Feb 1912
> > The 6th Marquess had one son and two daughters by his first wife; the
> > 5th Marquess had only the one son and two daughters; the 4th Marquess
> > was his nephew who had no issue (and had a colorful and scandalous
> > life); and all subsequent heirs come from the 3rd Marquess.
>
> >http://www.thepeerage.com/p1720.htm#i17191
> > Lord Robert Thomas Brudenell-Bruce had four sons and three daughters.
>
> > The second son was
> > George Lionel Thomas Brudenell (b. 26 August 1880, d. 8 August 1962),
> > of Deene Park, Corby, Northamptonshire, England. He inherited from the
> > Earls of Cardigan, one assumes.
>
> > His son was
> > Edmund Crispin Stephen James George Brudenell (b. 24 October 1928) who
> > married married Hon. Marion Cynthia Manningham-Buller, daughter of
> > Viscount Dilhorne (see Theroff files) and had twin sons and one
> > daughter. The elder brother is Robert Edmund Brudenell. ?The younger
> > son is
> > Thomas Mervyn Brudenell b. 12 August 1956 who has two daughters by his
> > first wife (d 1993) and is now married to Amanda Naylor-Leyland,
> > stepdaughter of the 7th Earl of Wilton.
>
> > No heirs apparently in future generations from this branch
>
> > The third son of Lord Robert Brudenell-Bruce was
> > Colonel Robert Hanbury Brudenell-Bruce+ b. 24 Oct 1881, d. 12 Feb 1955
>
> > His son by his second wife Judith Keppel was
> > Captain Chandos Robert Henry Brudenell-Bruce+ b. 8 Apr 1923, d. 1993
>
> > His son was
> > Andrew Robert Joel Brudenell-Bruce+ b. 27 Jul 1951 who is married to
> > Sophie Inch, and has one son (Henry Robert Woolf Brudenell-Bruce b. 28
> > Aug 1976) and three daughters ?Alice, Christabel (Lawson-Johnston),
> > and Florence Brudenell-Bruce.
>
> > A possibility of heirs from this branch.
>
> > The youngest son of Lord Robert Brudenell-Bruce was
> > John Charles Brudenell-Bruce+ b. 6 Mar 1885, d. 13 Feb 1960 who had
> > three sons and three daughters by his second wife
>
> > The eldest son is David (unmarried); the second is Simon Robert
> > Brudenell-Bruce+ b. 8 Oct 1928 (living in New Zealand); father of one
> > son (Peter Gregory Brudenell-Bruce b. 9 Sep 1965) and two daughters by
> > his first wife. The third son was Marc Hadrian Brudenell-Bruce (b. 21
> > May 1930, d. 27 February 1965) who had one son and one daughter by his
> > second wife, before dying in an accident aged 34. The son Marc Raymond
> > Christopher Brudenell-Bruce b. 3 April 1962 lives in Australia. These
> > are the descendants of the 1st Marquess of Ailesbury recorded in
> > thePeerage.com.
>
> > This branch is totally unknown to me.
>
> > Updates welcome. It appears that the line of descent from the 5th
> > Marquess downwards depends on the present Earl of Cardigan, his son
> > (b. 1982) and his half-brother (b. 1951). ?After that, the next heirs
> > are Edmund Brudenell (husband of a daughter of Viscount Dilhorne) and
> > his twin sons b. 1956, of whom one is apparently unmarried and the
> > other has no sons by two marriages. After that, we have the line of
> > Andrew Brudenell-Bruce (who has a son b. 1976). ?Then there are the
Shinjinee
On Oct 17, 1:33 am, "b...@yahoo.com" <b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> At worse, there are also males in remainder to the Earldom of
> Cassillis.
>
> Brooke
This isn't the case with the Earldom of Cardigan, to which I think the
heirs are the same as that to the Marquessate of Ailesbury. The
senior line became Dukes of Montagu and became extinct (the heiress
married a lucky Duke of Buccleuch - Buccleuchs in those days always
married well); the next branch became extinct with the 7th Earl (after
his father and a great-uncle). The current branch is the third to
inherit the earldom.
For those interested, I think this youngest branch is the same that
produced a countess of Danneskjold-Samsoe (sorry for any mispelling),
from where a daughter married into the earls of Normanton.
Of course, this youngest branch has now subdivided - with the current
Marquess, his son, his grandson representing the most senior line;
then his half-brother (who appears to be childless); then various
collaterals.
Shinjinee