Smith LG and Raven

[Shinjinee]

How many children did John Earle Raven (d 1980) and his wife Faith,
nee Constance Faith Alethea Smith have?

http://www.ardtornish.co.uk/PDF/andrew-raven.pdf
http://www.thepeerage.com/p17294.htm#i172931

This seems to indicate four children:

1. Andrew Earle Owen Raven (1959-2005) md 1987 Amanda Game (now Amanda
Raven), no issue

2. Hugh Raven? md Jane Stuart-Smith?

3. Sarah Clare Raven md 1993 (as his 2nd wife) Adam Nicolson, son of
Nigel Nicolson and grandson of Vita, issue 2 daus. She is the cooking
presenter Sarah Raven.

4. Jane Raven? md Andrew Wallace?

What are John Earle Raven's dates, and when was his wife Faith born?
Faith's father Owen Hugh Smith (1869-1958) seems to have married
rather late in life.

Sister of Faith Raven
(Aileen) Fortune Constance Hugh Smith md 1951 Michael Charles Stanley
(1921-1990), son of Hon Oliver Stanley and Lady Maureen Vane-Tempest-
Stewart, 2 sons

PS. thepeerage.com shows Sarah Raven as John Raven's daughter but not
as Faith Raven's daughter!

But see this Guardian article Nov 2008
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/nov/16/christmas-foodanddrink

Raven Relatives

Hugh Colin Smith -> Mildred Anne Smith -> Lady Doreen Buxton ->
present Duke of Grafton

Hugh Colin Smith -> Olive Alethea Smith md a Baring -> issue

Hugh Colin Smith -> Vivian Hugh Smith, 1st Baron Bicester ->
descendants

Hugh Colin Smith -> Admiral Sir Aubrey Clare Hugh Smith (1872-1957) md
1899 Elizabeth Emma Beatrice Grosvenor (1875-1931), daughter of
Richard de Aquila Grosvenor, 1st Baron Stalbridge and his 1st wife,
left issue Patrick Yvo Hugh Smith (b 2 Aug 1900, or 4 Aug 1900 d 1975
per Andrew Loughrey) ; he md 1948 Monique de Selys Longchamps
(1906-1990) [aunt of Sybille, mother of Delphine Boel], and had one
daughter.
Sir Aubrey and his wife may have had other issue, because Andrew
refers to Patrick as the eldest son.


Sources for the last include
1. Plantagenet Roll:
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=w9UYYThhRIQC&pg=PA306&lpg=PA306&dq=%22Elizabeth+Emma+Beatrice+Grosvenor%22&source=bl&ots=mn5o6XXaE7&sig=TSMqzl6MRll2pPlNJcuuZy1Skn4&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result

2. Message from Andrew Loughrey
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-ROYAL/2005-08/1123459135

Shinjinee

[Shinjinee]

replying to myself!

On Nov 23, 9:46 am, Shinjinee <SSenpub...@gmail.com> wrote:

> What are John Earle Raven's dates, and when was his wife Faith born?
> Faith's father Owen Hugh Smith (1869-1958) seems to have married
> rather late in life.

His dates are 1914-1980.

http://janus.lib.cam.ac.uk/db/node.xsp?id=EAD%2FGBR%2F0272%2FPP%2FJER

John Earle Raven was a Classical Scholar at Trinity College, Cambridge
1934-38. He was a conscientious objector during the War, basing his
case on arguments by Plato. He was assigned unsalaried social work for
Guy Clutton-Brok at Oxford House in Bethnal Green. He was elected to a
Research Fellowship at Trinity in 1946 and when King's had a staff
vacancy in 1948 in Classics he came as a Fellow to King's. Having come
from a family of botanists and natural historians, he was asked by
Trinity College in 1948 to investigate the claims of new and rare
species found on the island of Rhum in the Outer Hebrides, by
Professor J.W. Heslop Harrison. He delivered his report, and deposited
a copy at the King's College Library to be closed to readers until the
deaths of himself and Professor Harrison.

http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/s/sabbagh-rum.html
"John Earle Raven's family background—son of the Master of a Cambridge
college, with academics, schoolmasters, and clerics in his background—
meant that he would naturally go to a Cambridge college. His
undergraduate work at Trinity led effortlessly to a first-class
degree, followed by a fellowship in classics at the same college,
awarded in 1947."

[NB according to Karl Sabbagh, Harrison had perpetrated fraud, but
British academic mores required that this be hushed up, because among
other reasons, the son of Professor Harrison was also a botanist!].

And is Charles Earle Raven (4 July 1885 -- 8 July 1964 [NPG says
1965]) Regius Professor Emeritus of Divinity, Cambridge his father?
This source [http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?
cat=109-aa_1-1_1-2&cid=-1&Gsm=2008-06-18#-1] says John Raven, son of
Charles Earle Raven.
He was married to Margaret Ermyntrude Buchanan Wollaston "Bee" in 1906
and they married in 1910; they became engaged while he was still an
undergraduate. The couple had a son and three daughters. She died in
1944 while on holiday in Anglesey.

He married 2nd 1954 St Martins-in-the-Fields Ethel Lyman Paine Moors,
82, widow of millionaire Boston Financier John F. Moors (who died
March 1953) of Boston, Massachusetts, who died within a fortnight of
the marriage on honeymoon in Lyme Regis, leaving him well-off for the
rest of his life. She was 80, he was 69; however, Time gives their
ages as 68 and 82.

In 1956 Raven married thirdly Hélène Jeanty, a former Belgian
resistance worker and a widow of a man shot in a German concentration
camp, and the couple lived in Cambridge and Brussels. Raven died in
his Cambridge home on 8 July 1964.

Charles Earle Raven, a noted pacifist and son of John Earle Raven,
barrister, and Alice (née Comber), was
* Lecturer in Divinity, Fellow and Dean of Emmanuel College, Cambridge
(1909-1915, and again 1918-1920)
During the First World War Raven was
* assistant master at Tonbridge School (1915–1917)
*a front-line chaplain 1917-1918, as a volunteer
After the war, he returned to Emmanuel College, Cambridge 1918-1920,
and then was
* Rector of Bletchingley, Surrey (1920–1924), a college living
* a chaplain to the King in 1920,
* residentiary canon of the new Liverpool Cathedral (1924-1932)
* Regius Professor of Divinity 1932-1950 (succ by Arthur Michael
Ramsey)
* a canon at Ely Cathedral (1932–1940),
* a fellow at Christ’s College and then Master of Christ’s College
from 1939 to 1950.
* vice-chancellor of the University of Cambridge (1947–1949) who
conferred a honorary degree in 1948 on HRH The Princess Elizabeth,
Duchess of Edinburgh (now HM The Queen), the first such degree granted
to a woman by Cambridge
* warden of Madingley Hall, Cambridge (1950–1954)

He apparently retired 1954, aged about 69.

According to a book on canons, his paternal grandmother was a sister
of a rose-growing Dean of Rochester, Samuel Reynolds Hole, so the
family history of interest in the sciences and in botany went back at
least two generations.


Source for Charles Earle Raven:
http://www.giffordlectures.org/Author.asp?AuthorID=144
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_E._Raven

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=Vq1trurMudQC&pg=PA149&lpg=PA149&dq=%22Charles+Earle+Raven%22&source=web&ots=MiaJp_tADp&sig=L5CSQDLoIIst3Fjo4sgeHzDLAN0&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=9&ct=result#PPA146,M1
[a chapter about Charles Earle Raven]
More about how he became Master of Christ's College, succeeding Sir
Charles Darwin, who was elected when the fellows were equally divided
between Raven and C.H. Waddington, a distinguished geneticist.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,819800,00.html
Marriage of Charles Earle Raven in 1954

Source for John Earle Raven:
http://janus.lib.cam.ac.uk/db/node.xsp?id=EAD%2FGBR%2F0272%2FPP%2FJER
Janus Papers



And for Hugh Raven, apparently son of John Earle Raven (1914-1980) and
Faith Smith: here is a fair amount of information on him - he is a
relatively prominent landowner


http://www.sd-commission.org.uk/pages/hugh-raven.html including a
picture
"Hugh Raven is director of Soil Association Scotland. He is an adviser
to the Esmee Fairbairn Foundation on the environment. He helps run his
family's estate in north Argyll and is a trustee of Corrour Estate in
Lochaber. He and his wife Jane - a restaurateur and lawyer - are
active in the Slow Food movement, and live in Morvern, N Argyll."
This Jane is presumably Jane Stuart-Smith.

He and Jane Stuart-Smith have two daughters Kitty and Maddy as of
2003. In that year, they lived in Kinlochaline Castle [http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinlochaline_Castle]. They moved in 2000 from
Notting Hill, London, to live an hour's drive across the moors from
the nearest town, Fort William.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/3320486/The-Scottish-castle-with-a-home-on-top.html
Maddy was apparently born circa 2000.

Jane Stuart-Smith's restaurant, co-owner of The Whitehouse Restaurant
in Morvern in the village of Lochaline.:
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/features/loch-stock-and-barrel-487620.html

Hugh Raven's political page
http://www.scotlandistheplace.com/stitp/898.1.1210.html

Shinjinee