Which Peers/Baronets are Not British Citizens?

[bx...@yahoo.com]

With the von Friesendorff  (Sweden) baronetcy no longer dormant, which other peers/baronets are not British citizens?  

I'm particularly curious about those that are from non-Commonwealth countries.

Thanks.

Brooke

[marquess]

Off the top of my head, The Prince of Ruspoliosi, earl of Newborough and the earl of Wharncliffe, the former is an Italian citizen and the latter an American. The heir to the current earl of Essex is an American

[colinp]

Boreel baronets are Dutch

[G. Willis]

Are the Jejeebhoy baronets British citizens? Of course the obvious answer would seem to be 'no', but if anyone knows more, please let me know.

[www.maltagenealogy.com]

You can add the Earl of Stradbroke, the Earls of Dunmore, Lincoln, Loudon, Gosford,  Wilton. The heir to the Viscount Monckton lives in Sydney. All Australians.

Lord Chesham, Lords Baillieu, Lord Lindsay or Birker, and the Marquess of Sligo. All Australians.

There are many more in the Baronet pile in Australia.

New Zealand also have their share of British aristocrats.

[www.maltagenealogy.com]

The Duke of Manchester is Australian born living in the US.

Earl of Portarlington , 9th Viscount Bolingbroke, 11th Baron Dufferin and Claneboye 7th Baron Stratheden and Campbell , is Australian, The Hon Michael Baden-Powell (born 1940) is heir presumptive to the Baden-Powell barony.

• Sir James Lauder Brunton 4th Bt., of Stratford Place was born at Montreal and educated at Bishop's College School, Lennoxville, Quebec, and McGill University, Montreal. He is Professor of Medicine at the University of Toronto. His father and grandfather were also both educated at McGill. His grandfather (the 2nd Baronet) settled the family in Canada from 1912.
• Sir James Grant-Suttie 9th Bt., of Balgone, County Haddington was born at Sussex, New Brunswick, as was his father, the 8th Baronet, a graduate of McGill University and "always a proud Canadian".^[30] His grandfather emigrated to Canada after World War Two where he married a girl from Newfoundland.
• Sir Wayne Alexander King 8th Bt., of Charlestown, Roscommon, Ireland. Emigrated from the United Kingdom in 1981 and currently resides in Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario with his wife Deborah (MacDougall)
• Fergus Day Hort Macdowall, 27th of Garthland. Although neither a peer nor a baronet, his title is Chief of Clan Macdowall. He was born in British Columbia where his grandfather, Day Hort MacDowall, 25th of Garthland, had emigrated in 1879. He was educated at Brentwood College School, British Columbia; Stowe School, Buckinghamshire, and McGill University, Montreal. He currently resides in North Saanich, British Columbia.
• Rolfe William Swinton, 36th of that Ilk. Although neither a peer nor a baronet, his title is Chief of Clan Swinton. His great-grandfather emigrated to Edmonton, Alberta, and he lives in Calgary, Alberta. His father died on 19 August 2007 in Calgary, at which point he succeeded as 36th Swinton of that Ilk.
• Sir Michael Philip Stonhouse 15th Bt., of Radley lives at Lloydminster, Saskatchewan.^[31] His grandfather emigrated to Alberta.
• Sir Christopher Hilaro Barlow, 7th Bt., of Fort William was educated at Eton College and McGill University, Montreal. He currently lives in Hamilton, Ontario.
• Oliver Peter St. John, 9th Earl of Orkney and his son Oliver St. John, Viscount Kirkwall live in Manitoba.
• Konstantin Karl Ludwig Willibald Georg, Graf von Waldburg zu Zeil und Trauchburg resides at Sutton, Quebec. His title is of a German house that had until 1806 been imperial counts(reichsgrafen) in the Holy Roman Empire, and whose territory was in that year mediatized to Württemberg.
• Sir Phillip Luttrell Stuart 9th Bt., of Hartley Mauduit lives at Ladysmith, British Columbia.
• Count Franz Antal Zichy lives in Toronto and parents lived in Calgary. His title, inherited from his father, is from the Hungarian nobility, where he was born.
• Sir Roderick McQuhae Mackenzie, 12th Bt., of Scatwell lives at Calgary, Alberta.
• Sir Benjamin Barrington 8th Bt., of Limerick lives at Calgary, Alberta.
• John Tottenham, 9th Marquess of Ely lives at Calgary, Alberta.
• Sir Cecil Edward Denny, 6th Bt., of Castle Moyle Major Cecil Denny came west as a member of the North-West Mounted Police in 1874 and later became an Indian agent and author. He succeeded to the title in 1921, and died in Calgary, unmarried in 1928.
• 10th, 11th and 12th Earls of Egmont. Created in 1733 for John Perceval, 1st Viscount Perceval. The first earl descended from John Perceval, who on 9 September 1661, was created a Baronet, of Kanturk in the County of Cork, in the Baronetage of Ireland. Frederick Joseph Trevelyan Perceval, de jure 10th Earl of Egmont (1873–1932), rancher at Priddis, Alberta, was found to be the senior remaining descendant of the second earl's (1711-1770) seventh son and inherited the estate in 1929. Thomas Frederick Gerald Perceval, 12th Earl of Egmont, (1934–2011), rancher, of High River died on 6 November 2011 and the earldom, and all of its subsidiary titles (Baron Arden, Baron Perceval, Viscount Perceval, Baron Lovel and Holland) became extinct. The title was perpetuated in the provincial urban constituency of Calgary-Egmont which encompassed the 11th Earl's former ranch just north of Fish Creek from 1971 to 2012.

The Duke of Atholl is South African.

On Friday, January 25, 2019 at 12:02:32 PM UTC+11, bx...@yahoo.com wrote:

[marquess]

I think that the original poster was primarily interested in those who were not Commonwealth Citizens, the list of Commonwealth citizens is pretty easy to fill, Sligo and Winchester, the former an Australian and the latter a South African.

On Friday, January 25, 2019 at 8:02:32 AM UTC+7, bx...@yahoo.com wrote:

[bx...@yahoo.com]

Very interesting.  Thanks to all who responded.

Brooke

[bx...@yahoo.com]

When all of the peers sat in the House of Lords, did any non-British citizens sit as well?

Thanks.

Brooke

On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 8:02:32 PM UTC-5, bx...@yahoo.com wrote:

[marquess]

I can't be entirely sure,  but the late earl of Dunmore was an Australian and he took his seat in the house. 

[Al]

Historically plenty as citizenship is a very modern concept

[colinp]

I believe that “aliens” are excluded from membership of both Houses of Parliament. So far as I am aware aliens means anyone who is not a British or Commonwealth citizen, a British protected person or a citizen of the Republic of Ireland . I understand that broadly speaking this definition has applied since the 1948 British nationality act which introduced the concept of British citizenship - before that we ( and nationals of the Dominions and Colonies) were British subjects (very broad brush)

[colinp]

When I said “we” I meant “British nationals “

[colinp]

The new Boord Baronet - Sir Andrew Richard Boord of Istanbul Turkey, Translator - is a Turkish citizen - see his website http://www.andrewboord.com/

The new (Swinnerton-)Dyer baronet - David Dyer-Bennet - is an American - of Minneapolis MN - I think it was his grandfather Maj Richard Stewart Dyer-Bennet who emigrated to the States

The claimants to the Currie baronetcy are Americans

On Friday, 25 January 2019 01:02:32 UTC, bx...@yahoo.com wrote:

[Jelena JS]

Both deceased baronets are still listed on the Official Roll of the Baronetage.

[colinp]

and also Hamilton-Dalrymple ( d 26.12.2018)

On Friday, 25 January 2019 01:02:32 UTC, bx...@yahoo.com wrote:

[colinp]

Online official roll now updated

[www.maltagenealogy.com]

Don't forget the Indian Baronets as well, now out of the British empire since India's demise from Britain into republic.

On Friday, January 25, 2019 at 12:02:32 PM UTC+11, bx...@yahoo.com wrote:

[colinp]

I would hazard a guess from the information in the peerage books that:-

Sir David Gibson-Craig-Carmichael b 1946 (15th/8th Baronet) may be Chilean, Sir Nigel Murray b 1944 (15th Baronet) may be Argentinian and Sir John Primrose b 1960 (5th Baronet) may also be Argentinian. 

They may of course also be British Citizens

On Friday, 25 January 2019 01:02:32 UTC, bx...@yahoo.com wrote:

[colinp]

It seems fairly certain that the following are US citizens (in addition to any mentioned in previous posts):-

Sir Douglas Alexander (1921) 3rd Bt b 1936 (Florida)

Sir Douglas Booth (1916) 3rd Bt b 1949 (California)

Sir Michael Brownrigg (1816) 6th Bt b 1961 (California)

Sir Francis Bruce of Stenhouse (1628) 12th Bt b 1926 (California)

Sir James Dunbar (1694) 14th Bt b 1950 (South Carolina)

Sir Daniel Duntze (1774) 9th Bt b 1960 (Missouri)

Sir Ralph Graham (1629) 14th Bt b 1950 (Tennessee)

Sir Kenelm Guinness (1867) 5th Bt b 1962 (Maine)

Sir Thomas Johnston (1626) 14th Bt b 1956 (Alabama)

Sir Keith Munro of Lindertis (1825) 7th Bt b 1959 (Vermont)

Sir Rowland Murray (1630) 15th Bt b 1947 (Georgia)

Sir Derek Ryan (1919) 4th Bt b 1954 (Idaho)

Sir Charles Seton (1683) 13th Bt b 1948 (Florida)

Sir William Style (1627) 13th Bt b 1945 (Wisconsin)

plus the following less certain but possible:-

Sir Anthony Buzzard (1929) 3rd Bt b 1935 (Georgia)

Sir James Forbes (1823) 8th Bt b 1957 (California)

Sir Charles Grove (1874) 5th Bt b 1929 (?)

Sir Richard Sullivan (1804) 9th Bt b 1931 (Oregon)

Sir Jason Whitmore (1954) 3rd Bt b 1983 (California?)

Sir John Wiseman (1628) 11th Bt b 1957 (Massachusetts

On Friday, 25 January 2019 01:02:32 UTC, bx...@yahoo.com wrote:

[bx...@yahoo.com]

colinp, thanks for the additions!

Brooke

On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 8:02:32 PM UTC-5, bx...@yahoo.com wrote:

[colinp]

As well as the Earl of Wharncliffe mentioned above it seems that Baron Gerard (New York), Viscount Doneraile (California) and the Earl of Tankerville (California) may well be US citizens.  Baron Shaughnessy is an actor who has appeared in many American TV shows and films but may not have acquired US citizenship.  

On Friday, 25 January 2019 01:02:32 UTC, bx...@yahoo.com wrote:

[DENNIS CUNNIFF]

> On Aug 29, 2019, at 5:02 PM, colinp <colina...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> As well as the Earl of Wharncliffe mentioned above it seems that Baron Gerard (New York), Viscount Doneraile (California) and the Earl of Tankerville (California) may well be US citizens. Baron Shaughnessy is an actor who has appeared in many American TV shows and films but may not have acquired US citizenship.
>

Charles Shaughnessy has said on his Tumblr account that he is a U.S. citizen (and a Democrat).

<https://charlesshaughnessy.tumblr.com>

- DJC.

[colinp]

As well as the Earl of Newburgh (Prince Rospigliosi - Italian) mentioned above I would query whether Viscount Exmouth may be a Spanish citizen, Baron Merrivale may be a French citizen and Baron Hatherton may be a Costa Rican citizen

On Friday, 25 January 2019 01:02:32 UTC, bx...@yahoo.com wrote:

[Scott55]

Where is this online official roll?

On Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 11:58:49 AM UTC-5, colinp wrote:

Online official roll now updated

[colinp]

It's maintained by the Standing Council of the Baronetage and can be found here - https://www.baronetage.org/official-roll/

On Friday, 25 January 2019 01:02:32 UTC, bx...@yahoo.com wrote: