Heirless titles (part 2)
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Henry W
Jan 3, 2026, 8:21:10 AMJan 3
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This follows: Heirless titles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Newprogressive/Peerage_titles_with_no_heirs
My page now tracks:
- Titles without any heirs
- Titles likely to become dormant on the death of the current holder
- Titles likely to become abeyant on the death of the current holder
- Titles likely to come out of abeyance as one of the co-heirs has no heir other than the remaining co-heir.
- Titles with one heir aged 50 or more
- Other titles under threat (those with multiple heirs, but all aged 50+)
- Titles Extinct since 2008
Recent updates (check the Edit History of the article - I try to keep notes in the comments):
- Baron Brain has no heirs (death of 3rd Baron)
- Carden baronetcy extinct (death of 5th baronet)
- Baron Harlech removed from list on discovery of heir apparent born 2024.
- Renshaw baronetcy added to Titles with one heir aged 50+.
- Cochrane and Dick-Lauder baronectcies added to Other titles under threat.
(NB Chaytor baronetcy not added on discovery of heir born 2008, see https://groups.google.com/g/peerage-news/c/iSha4_QY5Jc/m/eswCsmN5AwAJ )
I am left with various issues that have crept in over the years. Some due to additional details about possible dormancies being added to the Kershaw lists.
- Dick-Lauder baronets is annotated by Kerhaw as A 1976 (to dorm). After the death of the final heir (nephew of the 13th bt, born 1976) I am not aware of any possible heirs, however, this is a Nova Scotia baronetcy and according to the Complete Baronetage Volume IV the 1690 baronetcy was created "with rem. to [the 1st bt's] eldest son in tail male and his heirs male successively". I think this means that the remainder is not limited to heirs male of the body and more distant collaterals can succeed.
Titles that have an heir (or heirs) all aged 50+, followed by a line that cannot be fully accounted for, followed by a line of collaterals that are well documented and include younger heirs. This is a tricky list to work with as each case is slightly different. Examples:
- Campbell baronets of Auchinbreck (baronet born 1953, then dormant, then younger heirs). Currently listed under Titles likely to become dormant.
- Synge baronets of Kiltrough (baronet born 1942, the dormant, then younger heirs). Currently listed under Titles likely to become dormant.
- Baron Glanusk (5th Baron born 1942, then heir apparent born 1976, m no issue, then dormant, then younger heirs). Not listed at all as the title will not be immediately dormant on death of the 5th Baron, and does have younger heirs.
- Russell baronets of Swallowfield (baronet born 1955, then half brother born 1956, then dormant, then younger heirs). Not listed at all as the title will not be immediately dormant on death of the baronet, and does have younger heirs.
- Earl of Lauderdale (18th Earl born 1937, then son born 1965, div, then dormant, then younger heirs). Not listed at all as the title will not be immediately dormant on death of the 18th Earl, and does have younger heirs.
- Earl of Westmeath / Baron Devlin - I confess to not being sure what is going on here. 13th Earl born 1928, sons born 1965 & 1966. Earldom is then dormant according to Kershaw, but no listing of unknown collaterals in Debrett's 2008. Barony is released but according to Kershaw is dormant, but there are younger collaterals in Debrett's 2008
There may be other titles in similar situations that I have missed (please tell me!). Looking through the Kershaw lists suggests there are several, but there is an heir under 50 before the dormancy.
Other titles thare are tricky:
- Baron Sinha - the pedigree is likely incomplete as the Baron and all possible heirs are resident in either India or the United States. I have it listed under Titles with only 1 heir aged 50 or more, however, I think this may be incorrect on checking Debrett's 2008 as there apperas to be a collateral Sunil Sinha (b 1939) alive in the US (he is a physicist at UC San Diego) - he appears to have children who I think are male but unknown DoB.
- Earl of Clancarty - we believe there to be heirs in Australia (descendants of the 1st Earl) - see posts in this group, but Kershaw does not list these and gives its destination as dormancy. I list Viscount Clancarty (granted to the 2nd Earl) as extinct on the death of the 9th Earl.
Similarly I make no attempt to list titles that are actually dormant with known collateral lines extant, e.g. Earl of Cavan (see posts in this group), but I fear this may be a significant task as there are several titles that have become dormant over the centuries where junior lines are well documented.
In my listing of titles that are extinct since 2008 I have been listing those that are dormant with no known heirs.
- For Baron Trimlestown (dormant 2024) I gave a possible line of collaterals that was not fully accounted for.
- Ideally I would like to do so for other titles in this position: Beaumont baronets (dormant 2011) and Reade baronets (dormant 2012). I am not totally sure how to work this out though - I know Colin has done this work in the past and used Burke's Peerage to make the determination.
- For Beaumont is there a possibility of descendants of Thomas Davie Beaumont (1801 - 1824), ygr brother of the 8th baronet?
- For Reade is there a possibility of descendants of Charles Walter Reade, ygr brother of the 9th baronet?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Newprogressive/Peerage_titles_with_no_heirs
My page now tracks:
- Titles without any heirs
- Titles likely to become dormant on the death of the current holder
- Titles likely to become abeyant on the death of the current holder
- Titles likely to come out of abeyance as one of the co-heirs has no heir other than the remaining co-heir.
- Titles with one heir aged 50 or more
- Other titles under threat (those with multiple heirs, but all aged 50+)
- Titles Extinct since 2008
Recent updates (check the Edit History of the article - I try to keep notes in the comments):
- Baron Brain has no heirs (death of 3rd Baron)
- Carden baronetcy extinct (death of 5th baronet)
- Baron Harlech removed from list on discovery of heir apparent born 2024.
- Renshaw baronetcy added to Titles with one heir aged 50+.
- Cochrane and Dick-Lauder baronectcies added to Other titles under threat.
(NB Chaytor baronetcy not added on discovery of heir born 2008, see https://groups.google.com/g/peerage-news/c/iSha4_QY5Jc/m/eswCsmN5AwAJ )
I am left with various issues that have crept in over the years. Some due to additional details about possible dormancies being added to the Kershaw lists.
- Dick-Lauder baronets is annotated by Kerhaw as A 1976 (to dorm). After the death of the final heir (nephew of the 13th bt, born 1976) I am not aware of any possible heirs, however, this is a Nova Scotia baronetcy and according to the Complete Baronetage Volume IV the 1690 baronetcy was created "with rem. to [the 1st bt's] eldest son in tail male and his heirs male successively". I think this means that the remainder is not limited to heirs male of the body and more distant collaterals can succeed.
Titles that have an heir (or heirs) all aged 50+, followed by a line that cannot be fully accounted for, followed by a line of collaterals that are well documented and include younger heirs. This is a tricky list to work with as each case is slightly different. Examples:
- Campbell baronets of Auchinbreck (baronet born 1953, then dormant, then younger heirs). Currently listed under Titles likely to become dormant.
- Synge baronets of Kiltrough (baronet born 1942, the dormant, then younger heirs). Currently listed under Titles likely to become dormant.
- Baron Glanusk (5th Baron born 1942, then heir apparent born 1976, m no issue, then dormant, then younger heirs). Not listed at all as the title will not be immediately dormant on death of the 5th Baron, and does have younger heirs.
- Russell baronets of Swallowfield (baronet born 1955, then half brother born 1956, then dormant, then younger heirs). Not listed at all as the title will not be immediately dormant on death of the baronet, and does have younger heirs.
- Earl of Lauderdale (18th Earl born 1937, then son born 1965, div, then dormant, then younger heirs). Not listed at all as the title will not be immediately dormant on death of the 18th Earl, and does have younger heirs.
- Earl of Westmeath / Baron Devlin - I confess to not being sure what is going on here. 13th Earl born 1928, sons born 1965 & 1966. Earldom is then dormant according to Kershaw, but no listing of unknown collaterals in Debrett's 2008. Barony is released but according to Kershaw is dormant, but there are younger collaterals in Debrett's 2008
There may be other titles in similar situations that I have missed (please tell me!). Looking through the Kershaw lists suggests there are several, but there is an heir under 50 before the dormancy.
Other titles thare are tricky:
- Baron Sinha - the pedigree is likely incomplete as the Baron and all possible heirs are resident in either India or the United States. I have it listed under Titles with only 1 heir aged 50 or more, however, I think this may be incorrect on checking Debrett's 2008 as there apperas to be a collateral Sunil Sinha (b 1939) alive in the US (he is a physicist at UC San Diego) - he appears to have children who I think are male but unknown DoB.
- Earl of Clancarty - we believe there to be heirs in Australia (descendants of the 1st Earl) - see posts in this group, but Kershaw does not list these and gives its destination as dormancy. I list Viscount Clancarty (granted to the 2nd Earl) as extinct on the death of the 9th Earl.
Similarly I make no attempt to list titles that are actually dormant with known collateral lines extant, e.g. Earl of Cavan (see posts in this group), but I fear this may be a significant task as there are several titles that have become dormant over the centuries where junior lines are well documented.
In my listing of titles that are extinct since 2008 I have been listing those that are dormant with no known heirs.
- For Baron Trimlestown (dormant 2024) I gave a possible line of collaterals that was not fully accounted for.
- Ideally I would like to do so for other titles in this position: Beaumont baronets (dormant 2011) and Reade baronets (dormant 2012). I am not totally sure how to work this out though - I know Colin has done this work in the past and used Burke's Peerage to make the determination.
- For Beaumont is there a possibility of descendants of Thomas Davie Beaumont (1801 - 1824), ygr brother of the 8th baronet?
- For Reade is there a possibility of descendants of Charles Walter Reade, ygr brother of the 9th baronet?
bx...@yahoo.com
Jan 3, 2026, 9:05:05 AMJan 3
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Henry, thank you. All of your hard work on this is very much appreciated.
Brooke
marquess
Jan 3, 2026, 4:37:01 PMJan 3
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I happily second Brooke's sentiment. Thank you for the hard work.
colinp
Jan 9, 2026, 10:11:01 AMJan 9
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Earl of Westmeath / Baron Devlin [sic] - I confess to not being sure what is going on here. 13th Earl born 1928, sons born 1965 & 1966. Earldom is then dormant according to Kershaw, but no listing of unknown collaterals in Debrett's 2008. Barony is released but according to Kershaw is dormant, but there are younger collaterals in Debrett's 2008
DPB isn't very clear but if the Earldom of Westmeath becomes dormant then the Barony of Delvin will be dormant as well, the 1st Earl being the son of the 5th Baron Delvin.
There are probably a few points where the genealogical record, at least as set out in Burke's, is not clear enough for the earldom to be definitely extinct if the present Earl and his sons were to die without further issue. I suspect this is a case though where the family have lost touch with DPB or are not interested in recording their marriages/children.
I think the principal difficulty though is that it is not clear whether the yr sons of the 1st Earl (1583-1642) left descendants or not. The subsequent earls all descend from the 1st Earl's eldest son Christopher who dvp, his son Richard succeeding as 2nd Earl. The 1st Earl's 2nd son Francis dsp so he can be discounted. The 3rd son John (of Dromeng) (no dates given) was "ancestor of the Princes and Counts Nugent of Austria" but no descendants listed. The 4th son Lawrence has no dates or further information about him, just the name. The 5th son Ignatius was m and d 1671 leaving 2 daus so again can be discounted. Even it could be shown that John's descendants the Princes and Counts Nugent of Austria failed in the male line it would still have to be demonstrated that Lawrence died unm or without legitimate male issue and maybe there is no information about him. The Princes and Counts Nugent of Austria must be different to the Barons Nugent of Austria descended from the 1st (not 11th as DPB says) Baron Delvin as set out in the Collaterals in DPB online
I have made a note that there is a pedigree of the Counts Nugent (under foreign titles of nobility recognised in Britain for British subjects) in Debrett's 1920. If that is the case it may be possible to determine whether such Counts (if no longer also princes) are still extant in the male line. If they are then the Earldom may be less likely to become dormant (there are other lesser issues "further down the line"). If not then it could be Lawrence who is the sticking point.
Paul Theroff
Jan 9, 2026, 10:24:07 AMJan 9
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Colin wrote:
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I have made a note that there is a pedigree of the Counts Nugent (under foreign titles of nobility recognised in Britain for British subjects) in Debrett's 1920. If that is the case it may be possible to determine whether such Counts (if no longer also princes) are still extant in the male line. If they are then the Earldom may be less likely to become dormant (there are other lesser issues "further down the line"). If not then it could be Lawrence who is the sticking point."I have the below on the Austrian branch of the family. I have no reason to believe that the line is extant. They have not been included in recent German genealogical works.
1.3.John, of Dromeng [son of 1st Earl of Westmeath]; m.Catherine Dillon
1.3.1.James, of Dromeng; m.Eleanor Nugent
1.3.1.1.Edward, of Bracklyn, d.1730; he was cr Count Nugent in [Austrian?] Spain 1704; m.Marecella Nugent,dau of Thomas Nugent, Count of Valdesoto
1.3.1.1.1.Ct Nicholas, d.1758
1.3.1.1.2.Michael, d.1752; m.Margery Nugent (d.1785)
1.3.1.1.2.1.Oliver, d.1791; m.Josepha (d.1824), dau of Baron de Rath
1.3.1.1.2.2.John, of Bracklyn and Ballynacarrow, d.1781; m.Jane MacDonough (d.1820)
1.3.1.1.2.2.1.Michael Anton, d.1812; m.Anna Walsh
1.3.1.1.2.2.1.1.Johann, 1847 [Austrian] Gf Nugent (Dublin 24 Jun 1796-k.a.Brescia 17 Apr 1849); m.Trieste 10 Jan 1843 Regina Ctsa Abriani (Padua 14 Jul 1813 [per 1908-22 GGT; 1814, per 1884 et seq GGT]-Barcola 4 Oct 1898)
[?1.3.1.1.2.2.1.1.1.Christoph]
1.3.1.1.2.2.1.1.2.Laval Jeremias Anton (Trieste 24 Aug 1843 [per 1884 et seq GGT; 19 Apr 1843, per 1869 GGT]- ); m.1st Görz 30 Jun 1866 Emma Ritter von Zahony (Trieste 27 Jun 1847-Görz 20 Dec 1872); m.2nd Schloß Duino 11 Oct 1876 (div) his cousin Marie Gfn Pallavicini-Fibbia (Venice 3 Sep 1850-Bozen 22 Feb 1909); m.3rd Oberwart 27 Sep 1885 Karoline Frn von Steininger (Vienna 7 Dec 1850- )
1.3.1.1.2.2.1.1.2.1.Eleonora Maria Emma (Görz 25 Apr 1867- ); m.Görz 30 Sep 1889 Wilhelm Gf Pálffy-Daun ab Erdöd, Fst von Thiano (d.Vienna 2 Dec 1916)
1.3.1.1.2.2.1.1.2.2.Emma Maria (3 Mar 1869-Görz 25 Jan 1891)
1.3.1.1.2.2.1.1.2.3.Johann Anton Laval Maria Viktor, 1901 Gf Nugent-Pallavicini-Centurioni-Fibbia (Graz 1 Aug 1877- )
1.3.1.1.2.2.1.1.2.4.Margaret (Florence 31 Jan 1891- )
1.3.1.1.2.2.2.Laval, 1847 [Austrian] Gf Nugent [though he and brother already in Gf GGT by 1841], 1858 Principe Romanus (Dublin 30 Nov 1777-Bosiljevo 22 Aug 1862 [per 1893 et seq GGT; 21 Aug 1862, per 1863 GGT Nachträge]); m.Naples 1815 Johanna Duchesa Sforza-Riario (Naples 1800-Paris 25 Mar 1855), maternal gdau of Pr Franz Xaver of Saxony
1.3.1.1.2.2.2.1.Christoph
1.3.1.1.2.2.2.2.Albert Eugen Laval, principe Romanus (25 Sep 1816-London 31 Jul 1896); m.Vienna 16 Oct 1865 [per 1917 GGT; or 1863?] Therese Bachmann (Kirchberg a.W. 18 Jun 1833-Krumpendorf 5 Mar 1916)
1.3.1.1.2.2.2.2.1.Laval Llewellyn Wilhelm, principe Romanus (Siena 14 May 1870- )
1.3.1.1.2.2.2.3.Gilbert Laval (1 Jun 1822 [1 Oct 1822, per 1862-9 GGT]-Venice 2 Nov 1864)
1.3.1.1.2.2.2.4.Arthur Patrick Laval [[Roman Prince, per 1893 GGT] (17 Mar 1825-Bosiljevo 6 May 1897 [per 1898 Nekrolog, though 1866 Nekrolog says he d.at Venica 2 Nov 1864]); m.Agram 13 May 1879 Marie Ditkovic Edle von Zitomir (d.Agram 6 Aug 1894)
1.3.1.1.2.2.2.5.Beatrix Lilla (1819 [1822?]-26 Mar 1880; m.1st Marchese Massimiliano Strozzi-Sagrati; m.2nd 20 Jan 1864 Pr Leopold von Croy (5 May 1827-5 Aug 1894)
1.3.1.1.2.2.2.6.Johanna Lilla, d.Florence 15 Jan 1874 [per 1875 Nekrolog; or 1875]; m.Antonio Cte Pallavicini-Fibbia (d.1860)
1.3.1.1.2.2.2.7.Leontine Lilla (30 Nov 1824-13 Aug 1850); m.17 May 1845 Oscar Gf von Orsay (24 Dec 1824-27 Sep 1909)
1.3.1.1.3.Oliver, of Derrymore; m.10 Feb 1719 Elizabeth Dowdall (d.1720)
1.3.1.1.3.1.Mary; m.Thomas Fetherstonhaugh
1.3.John, of Dromeng [son of 1st Earl of Westmeath]; m.Catherine Dillon
1.3.1.James, of Dromeng; m.Eleanor Nugent
1.3.1.1.Edward, of Bracklyn, d.1730; he was cr Count Nugent in [Austrian?] Spain 1704; m.Marecella Nugent,dau of Thomas Nugent, Count of Valdesoto
1.3.1.1.1.Ct Nicholas, d.1758
1.3.1.1.2.Michael, d.1752; m.Margery Nugent (d.1785)
1.3.1.1.2.1.Oliver, d.1791; m.Josepha (d.1824), dau of Baron de Rath
1.3.1.1.2.2.John, of Bracklyn and Ballynacarrow, d.1781; m.Jane MacDonough (d.1820)
1.3.1.1.2.2.1.Michael Anton, d.1812; m.Anna Walsh
1.3.1.1.2.2.1.1.Johann, 1847 [Austrian] Gf Nugent (Dublin 24 Jun 1796-k.a.Brescia 17 Apr 1849); m.Trieste 10 Jan 1843 Regina Ctsa Abriani (Padua 14 Jul 1813 [per 1908-22 GGT; 1814, per 1884 et seq GGT]-Barcola 4 Oct 1898)
[?1.3.1.1.2.2.1.1.1.Christoph]
1.3.1.1.2.2.1.1.2.Laval Jeremias Anton (Trieste 24 Aug 1843 [per 1884 et seq GGT; 19 Apr 1843, per 1869 GGT]- ); m.1st Görz 30 Jun 1866 Emma Ritter von Zahony (Trieste 27 Jun 1847-Görz 20 Dec 1872); m.2nd Schloß Duino 11 Oct 1876 (div) his cousin Marie Gfn Pallavicini-Fibbia (Venice 3 Sep 1850-Bozen 22 Feb 1909); m.3rd Oberwart 27 Sep 1885 Karoline Frn von Steininger (Vienna 7 Dec 1850- )
1.3.1.1.2.2.1.1.2.1.Eleonora Maria Emma (Görz 25 Apr 1867- ); m.Görz 30 Sep 1889 Wilhelm Gf Pálffy-Daun ab Erdöd, Fst von Thiano (d.Vienna 2 Dec 1916)
1.3.1.1.2.2.1.1.2.2.Emma Maria (3 Mar 1869-Görz 25 Jan 1891)
1.3.1.1.2.2.1.1.2.3.Johann Anton Laval Maria Viktor, 1901 Gf Nugent-Pallavicini-Centurioni-Fibbia (Graz 1 Aug 1877- )
1.3.1.1.2.2.1.1.2.4.Margaret (Florence 31 Jan 1891- )
1.3.1.1.2.2.2.Laval, 1847 [Austrian] Gf Nugent [though he and brother already in Gf GGT by 1841], 1858 Principe Romanus (Dublin 30 Nov 1777-Bosiljevo 22 Aug 1862 [per 1893 et seq GGT; 21 Aug 1862, per 1863 GGT Nachträge]); m.Naples 1815 Johanna Duchesa Sforza-Riario (Naples 1800-Paris 25 Mar 1855), maternal gdau of Pr Franz Xaver of Saxony
1.3.1.1.2.2.2.1.Christoph
1.3.1.1.2.2.2.2.Albert Eugen Laval, principe Romanus (25 Sep 1816-London 31 Jul 1896); m.Vienna 16 Oct 1865 [per 1917 GGT; or 1863?] Therese Bachmann (Kirchberg a.W. 18 Jun 1833-Krumpendorf 5 Mar 1916)
1.3.1.1.2.2.2.2.1.Laval Llewellyn Wilhelm, principe Romanus (Siena 14 May 1870- )
1.3.1.1.2.2.2.3.Gilbert Laval (1 Jun 1822 [1 Oct 1822, per 1862-9 GGT]-Venice 2 Nov 1864)
1.3.1.1.2.2.2.4.Arthur Patrick Laval [[Roman Prince, per 1893 GGT] (17 Mar 1825-Bosiljevo 6 May 1897 [per 1898 Nekrolog, though 1866 Nekrolog says he d.at Venica 2 Nov 1864]); m.Agram 13 May 1879 Marie Ditkovic Edle von Zitomir (d.Agram 6 Aug 1894)
1.3.1.1.2.2.2.5.Beatrix Lilla (1819 [1822?]-26 Mar 1880; m.1st Marchese Massimiliano Strozzi-Sagrati; m.2nd 20 Jan 1864 Pr Leopold von Croy (5 May 1827-5 Aug 1894)
1.3.1.1.2.2.2.6.Johanna Lilla, d.Florence 15 Jan 1874 [per 1875 Nekrolog; or 1875]; m.Antonio Cte Pallavicini-Fibbia (d.1860)
1.3.1.1.2.2.2.7.Leontine Lilla (30 Nov 1824-13 Aug 1850); m.17 May 1845 Oscar Gf von Orsay (24 Dec 1824-27 Sep 1909)
1.3.1.1.3.Oliver, of Derrymore; m.10 Feb 1719 Elizabeth Dowdall (d.1720)
1.3.1.1.3.1.Mary; m.Thomas Fetherstonhaugh
Paul Theroff
Jan 9, 2026, 10:24:32 AMJan 9
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There were two additional Nugent families who were ennobled in Austria or Germany, and whose connection to the Westmeath family is unknown to me.
A.
N Gf von Nugent-Ballynacore
1.Edmund, d.27 Mar 1826
1.1.Jacob; m.6 Sep 1837 Olivia Stapleton
1.1.1.Marie Josephine
1.1.2.Richard Ernst Franz Maria (1844- )
1.1.3.Anna Marie
2.
2.1.Johann
2.2.Richard
2.3.Thomas
B.
Walter Nugent, cr 1859 Baron Nugent [Frhr von Nugent], d.24 Oct 1864; m.1st Louisa Maria Digby (d.19 Jun 1832); m.2nd 24 Oct 1833 Georgiana Elizabeth (14 May 1807-24 Apr 1887), dau of Sir Charles Jenkinson, Bt.
1.Louisa Maria (7 Jun 1832- )
2.Reginald Boothby (3 Feb 1835-27 Aug 1835)
3.Walter Ruthven (31 May 1836-25 Jul 1907)
4.Cecil Lyndhurst (13 Jul 1837-18 Jul 1875)
5.Albert Llewellyn (Naples 8 Jan 1841-2 Feb 1909); m.Constantinople 7 Apr 1862 Elizabeth Baltazzi (Constantinople 16 Dec 1842-Beacon Lodge, Highcliffe 11 Mar 1899)
5.1.Algernon John Fitzroy (5 Oct 1865-15 Mar 1922); m.13 Aug 1895 Clara (d.20 Apr 1937), dau of Sir George Tapps-Gervis-Meyrick, 3rd Bt.
5.2.George Frederick Edward (5 Feb 1867-26 Apr 1901)
5.3.Alfred Beauchamp (12 Feb 1874- )
5.4.Frank Harry (5 Sep 1880- ); m.25 Sep 1905 Ellen Mary Burnell
5.4.1.Anthony Frank (9 Jul 1906- )
5.5.Mary Ellen Elizabeth, d.22 Mar 1947; m.1 Jul 1886 Sir Thomas David Gibson-Carmichael, 11th Bt., 1912 Baron Carmichael (18 Mar 1859-16 Jan 1926)
5.6.Zoe Virginia; m.1st 14 Jun 1892 Claude Hume Campbell Guinness (1852-18 Apr 1895); m.2nd Lord Manners
5.7.Florence Agnes Louisa; m.8 Apr 1896 Michael Culme-Seymour
6.Frank Frederick Fulke (19 Mar 1843-12 Mar 1875)
7.Ismania Catherine (23 Sep 1838-18 Aug 1918); m.25 Feb 1862 Charles Fitzroy, 3rd Lord Southampton (28 Sep 1804-16 Jul 1872)
8.Helen Georgina (10 Jul 1842- ); m.30 Jul 1873 Dacre Mervyn Archdall Hamilton, of Cornacassa (13 Oct 1837-1899)
A.
N Gf von Nugent-Ballynacore
1.Edmund, d.27 Mar 1826
1.1.Jacob; m.6 Sep 1837 Olivia Stapleton
1.1.1.Marie Josephine
1.1.2.Richard Ernst Franz Maria (1844- )
1.1.3.Anna Marie
2.
2.1.Johann
2.2.Richard
2.3.Thomas
B.
Walter Nugent, cr 1859 Baron Nugent [Frhr von Nugent], d.24 Oct 1864; m.1st Louisa Maria Digby (d.19 Jun 1832); m.2nd 24 Oct 1833 Georgiana Elizabeth (14 May 1807-24 Apr 1887), dau of Sir Charles Jenkinson, Bt.
1.Louisa Maria (7 Jun 1832- )
2.Reginald Boothby (3 Feb 1835-27 Aug 1835)
3.Walter Ruthven (31 May 1836-25 Jul 1907)
4.Cecil Lyndhurst (13 Jul 1837-18 Jul 1875)
5.Albert Llewellyn (Naples 8 Jan 1841-2 Feb 1909); m.Constantinople 7 Apr 1862 Elizabeth Baltazzi (Constantinople 16 Dec 1842-Beacon Lodge, Highcliffe 11 Mar 1899)
5.1.Algernon John Fitzroy (5 Oct 1865-15 Mar 1922); m.13 Aug 1895 Clara (d.20 Apr 1937), dau of Sir George Tapps-Gervis-Meyrick, 3rd Bt.
5.2.George Frederick Edward (5 Feb 1867-26 Apr 1901)
5.3.Alfred Beauchamp (12 Feb 1874- )
5.4.Frank Harry (5 Sep 1880- ); m.25 Sep 1905 Ellen Mary Burnell
5.4.1.Anthony Frank (9 Jul 1906- )
5.5.Mary Ellen Elizabeth, d.22 Mar 1947; m.1 Jul 1886 Sir Thomas David Gibson-Carmichael, 11th Bt., 1912 Baron Carmichael (18 Mar 1859-16 Jan 1926)
5.6.Zoe Virginia; m.1st 14 Jun 1892 Claude Hume Campbell Guinness (1852-18 Apr 1895); m.2nd Lord Manners
5.7.Florence Agnes Louisa; m.8 Apr 1896 Michael Culme-Seymour
6.Frank Frederick Fulke (19 Mar 1843-12 Mar 1875)
7.Ismania Catherine (23 Sep 1838-18 Aug 1918); m.25 Feb 1862 Charles Fitzroy, 3rd Lord Southampton (28 Sep 1804-16 Jul 1872)
8.Helen Georgina (10 Jul 1842- ); m.30 Jul 1873 Dacre Mervyn Archdall Hamilton, of Cornacassa (13 Oct 1837-1899)
Paul Theroff
Jan 9, 2026, 11:00:32 AMJan 9
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Beginning on page 603 of this volume one can see what the Germangenealogical works have as a reather lengthy history of the Nugent family. It's in German, however, but the genealogical details should be easy to understand.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Gothaisches_genealogisches_Taschenbuch_d/07sTAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Gothaisches_genealogisches_Taschenbuch_d/07sTAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1
On Friday, January 9, 2026 at 9:24:07 AM UTC-6 Paul Theroff wrote:
Henry W
Jan 10, 2026, 1:31:36 PMJan 10
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Thank you Colin and Paul for your comments on the Earldom of Westmeath. It seems Lawrence may be the sticking point?
Can anyone confirm the possible lines for the Reade and Beaumont baronetcies?
colinp
Jan 11, 2026, 10:05:38 AMJan 11
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Paul - the B list in your post above 9 Jan 15:24:32 descends from the 1st Lord Delvin ie the Barons Nugent of Austria I mentioned above. The descent as set out in Burke's is as follows:
1st Baron Delvin (d 1475) / his eldest son James dvp 1458 / his 4th son Andrew / his 2nd son Andrew yr / his son Christopher d 1613/4 / his son James d 1626 / his son Thomas dvp 1710/1712 / his surviving son James d 1746/48 / his 4th son Walter d 1789 / his son John d 1827 / his son Walter 1st Baron Nugent cr by Imperial Austrian letters patent 25 Aug 1859 with descent to legitimate issue of either sex
DPB then sets out the descendants of Cdr Anthony Frank Burnell-Nugent DSC RN (1906-1976) who m 1941 Gian Mary ALEXANDER (d 2002) ie 5.4.1. on your B table
Paul Theroff
Jan 11, 2026, 11:30:45 AMJan 11
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Thanks!
colinp
Jan 22, 2026, 8:52:16 AMJan 22
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For Reade is there a possibility of descendants of Charles Walter Reade, ygr brother of the 9th baronet?
The last print edition of Burke's just mentions Charles Walter without giving any dates or further information about him so I suppose he could have left legitimate descendants in the male line so the baronetcy may be dormant rather than extinct. The 9th baronet and Charles Walter were perhaps born or lived in the USA? There is a memorial for a Charles W Reade d 19 Oct 1917 on findagrave.com with a recent "flowers left" by 3rd cousin 3x removed Robyn Smith-Coates on 25 Sept 2022 but this may just be a red herring
colinp
Jan 22, 2026, 9:03:44 AMJan 22
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The Reade memorial is on findagrave.com - this is the link to (Sir) George Compton Reade [9th Bt] who is stated there (don't know how accurate it is obviously) to have been born in Ontario 17 Dec 1845 and to have died 7 Apr 1908 in Washington County, Michigan
As you can see his brother is listed among his siblings as Walter Charles 1853-1895 and his findagrave entry is here (he was buried in Webster, Washtenaw County Michigan
Someone has added the following text to the entry:
Born Walter Charles Reade but also known as Charles Walter
Reade, he was the son of Sir John Stanhope Reade and Lovisa Walton Reade. He
was married at least four times:
1. Ida D. Secor, b. 1857 in Blissfield, Michigan; m. 13 Aug., 1873 in Whitmore
Lake, Michigan (divorced sometime after 1881, she remarried Thomas Jimeyfield,
1885, d. 1942)
2. Mary Jane Barrett, m. 3 Feb., 1885, d. 1886
3. Alice Viola Lawrence; m. 30 Apr, 1887, d. 1890
4. Carrie C. Cady, b. 1858, m. Sept. 10, 1890 in Canton, Michigan. She survived
Charles and married Charles H. Batt on Feb. 17, 1900 in Detroit, Michigan.
Walter had one son with wife Ida, Charles "Freddie" Reade; a
daughter, Mabel E. Reade Moss, with wife Mary Jane; a daughter, Dora G. and
twin daughters who died soon after birth, with wife Alice.
colinp
Jan 22, 2026, 9:07:33 AMJan 22
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Charles "Freddie" Reade seems however to have died in infancy - see here - in which case it would appear that no male descendants of Charles Walter/Walter Charles have survived
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