The Ruspoli Family and the entitlement to the title of prince

[marquess]

According to the Almanach de Gotha website only the first branch of
the family headed by Francesco Pr Ruspoli, Pr di Cerveteri, b.Rome 31
Mar 1967 are entitled to be called Prince Ruspoli. Though I have come
across Prince Francesco Ruspoli Maria VI,http://www.rentalinrome.com/
principeeugenioruspolivilla/principeeugenioruspolivilla.htm. Now
according to the Almanach he should be styled Don/Donna N Ruspoli dei
Principi di Poggio Suasa. Can anyone with superior knowledge on Papal
(I assume this branch bears a papal title, as I know the main branch
do) titles tell me what the correct designation should be. I know that
the creation for the main branch of the family states ad infinitum so
that mean that all male and female members should bear the princely
title. Also does anyone know if there have been any male births this
century in the family?

[Turenne]

Just a quick point about heirs to princely titles. The younger son of
a prince, and the heir before succession to the title, is a nobile dei
principi di (seat), namely a "noble of the princes of" wherever. Use
of the honorific appellations don (lord) and donna (lady) for the son
and daughter of a prince is obsolete except in formal documents issued
by institutions that recognize Italian titular nobility.

Many princes in Italy were HRE creations, some were Spanish, some
Neopolitan etc. All had different rules.

Emanuele dei Principi Ruspoli, 1st Prince of di Poggio Suasa came from
a different branch of the family. He was a grandson of the 3rd Prince
di Cerveteri.

Richard L

[marquess]

Well this one is not H.R.E but a papal creation with an ad infinitum,
so does that mean then that Emanuele dei Principi Ruspoli, 1st Prince
of di Poggio Suasa who came from a different branch of the family and
was a grandson of the 3rd Prince di Cerveteri. Does that mean then
that the ad infinitum would mean that he is a prince regardless? This
is the question that I am concerned about. On the matter of Italian
princely titles, I know that the Neapolitan, and for that matter
Spanish ones, if there are any of the latter still extant. Don't give
much weight to collateral members, the heir bearing a title, and don
and dona for the other issue of the title holder etc. What is of
interest are those created by the Sardinia/Savoy and the united Italy,
do these follow the holy Roman Empire rules ad infinitum? And finally
on this point, what are the rules governing papal princely titles
without the ad infinitum designation?

[Turenne]

Primogeniture:

A friend sent me this:

Ruspoli

[...] röm. Principe (primog.) 1721 [...]

Don Alessandro 7° Principe Ruspoli (1869-1952), Principe romano, 7°
Principe di Cerveteri, Marchese di Riano, 12° Conte di Vignanello,
Nobile romano coscritto, Nobile di Viterbo, Nobile di Orvieto

SOURCE
Gothaischer Genealogischer Hofkalender 1916
S. 430

Richard L

[marquess]

Well thanks for that but I am still looking for a comprehensive answer
to the questions that I posed concerning Italian princedoms, H.R.E's
excluded.

[Richard R]

Who would be the authority who regulates such things now? If there
isn't such an authority, it's possible there'll be no comprehensive
answer.

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[marquess]

Well what I am after are the rules of the game based upon past
precedence, what younger son of papal princes without the ad infinitum
are style etc,and those of Neapolitan and Spanish creation as
detailed in my post above, I know that there is no authority on these
matter these days, but if some rules weren't followed I may as well
call myself the Prince of Ruspoli! There must be those amongst us who
can impart some substantial knowledge on the matter or direct us to
others who can.

[Richard R]

I understand. And welcome, Prince of Ruspoli (for who among us can
dispute your right to that title? Noone so far it seems.)

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