Smith, Abel-Smith, Carrington, etc., family genealogy

[dpth...@gmail.com]

I have been working on the genealogy if the huge Smith family, with surnames including:

 

Smith; Abel-Smith; Smith-Dorrien-Smith; Carrington; Bromley; Pauncefote-Bromley; Bromley-Wilson; Pauncefote; Smith-Bosanquet

 

and titles including:

 

1. Bromley, Pauncefote-Bromley, and Bromley-Wilson Baronets

2. Baron Pauncefote of Preston

3. Barons Carrington of Upton, sometimes Marquess of Lincolnshire

4. Barons Bicester

 

and have posted it on my website at http://www.angelfire.com/realm/gotha/gotha/smith.html

 

I mention it here in case anyone is interested in how all the various branches are related.

 

It has always been a frustrating family to me, because the published genealogies are divided into at least four Peerage articles as well as more than a dozen Landed Gentry articles, and to see how they are related I would have to go back and forth, from one article to another to another, etc.

 

Note that not all information is up-to-date, because of the non-availability of really modern sources for some of the lines; in addition, I have omitted or suppressed information about many of the living members except some from the most prominent lines. (I have been trying to do that on most of my pages, for reasons of privacy.)

[Richard R]

This looks great and must have taken a lot of work. Thanks.

I've long been interested in the family, having known several members of it, and have worked on a document over many years. It currently runs to 116 pages in WORD but isn't fit to be made public.

It's fascinating to see how many families descend from ABEL SMITH the banker of Nottingham!

[William]

I was at school with a Dorrien-Smith and a Bromley-Davenport. And there was an Abel-Smith who was a director of Arbuthnot Latham; I feel sure there would have been a relationship between the families though I have not yet found it. The directors were renowned for being tall.

But let me start with page 1 7c). Where you show Frances arbuthnot (who was born 1773) as having died 1800 presumably in childbirth. You have her as having married james Smith where I have Augustus. Same Dom. Different dod. I assume my Dod is wrong but what is your source or did he have two names?

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William Arbuthnot

[dpth...@gmail.com]

I didn't use Dod's Peerage at all, and I don't know what source "Dom" is, so I cannot help with that.

The marriage of James Smith and Frances Arbuthnot and their dates are as given in Burke's Landed Gentry. Augustus was the name of her husband's son by his next marriage.

The Smith who was a director of Arbuthnot, Latham and Co, was Reginald Henry Macaulay Smith (1890-1964), according to his entry in Burke's Landed Gentry.

[Richard R]

I think, in the context of this post, Dod means 'date of death' and Dom means 'date of marriage'

[dpth...@gmail.com]

ahh.. thanks. I had not seen that usage before.

On further checking, I can say that the dates I have for James Smith and Frances Arbuthnot are the same as have been in Burke's publications since at least the 1906 Landed Gentry. The family's entry in Burke's Commoners, Vol. I, p.98, gives no dates at all for either James or Frances, though it has dates for his second wife and for his children.

That said, I know of many cases in which the dates given in early peerage works, and then continued to modern ones, are incorrect, so it is possible that Burke's got hold of a wrong date, but I have no other sources for them which would give any different information. Perhaps they were mentioned in Gentleman's Magazine of the era, or some other contemporary publications.

[Richard R]

And (William) attached is an extract from the SMITH DORRIEN SMITH family entry in BLG1969 p565 which is the source I've used for these details.