Re: Grosvenor/Ligere engagement
marquess
heirs, I believe that the heir to earldom of Wilton is not married and
if my memory serves me correctly, this chap who's engagement has just
been announced, is the youngest male, in remainder to the peerage.
On 12 Oct, 13:11, Michael Rhodes <migx73allenford2...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
> The engagement was announced 13 Oct 2007 between Bendor Robert Gerard
> Grosvenor (b 1977), scion of the Barons Ebury (cr 1857) only son of
> the Hon Richard Alexander Grosvenor (b 1946) by his 1st wife the
> former Gabriella Speckert, and Edite A.I. Ligere, only daughter of Dr
> Guna Ligere, of London. Bendor is a grandson paternally of the 5th
> Baron Ebury and is descended from the 1st Marquess of Westminster.
>
> Michael Rhodes
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bx...@yahoo.com
"Bendor" and "Edite"... I can hardly wait to see what they name their
offspring! (Probably John and Jane!)
Brooke
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Tracey Lowndes
remainder to the Marquessate of Westminster, held by the Duke of
Westminster?
Tracey Lowndes.
marquess
the Duke only has the one son, and the Grosvenors aren't know for
producing a crop of boys, there is another chap born in 68, but
according to Debretts 2000 shows him as unmarried. So if we can have
marriage that produces three sons then that would be great!
Jan Böhme
> and the Grosvenors aren't know for producing a crop of boys,
Well, isn't that a bit unfair on old Hugh Lupus, the first Duke?
Jan Böhme
Jan Böhme
...or, for that matter, in more recent times, on this Bendor's
grandfather, the fifth Lord Ebury, who had four of them.
BTW, I have a faint recollection of having read somewhere that this
outlandish namne "Bendor" started out as a nickname somwhere in the
Grosvenor family, perhaps for the first Marquess or somesuch.
Jan Böhme
marquess
the middle ages, with lord Scrop I think, and I know that one of the
Grosvenor horses was so named too. Yes the first duke did a sterling
job, but the others have just about managed the trick with difficulty.
JonnyK
Scrope, Lord Scrope challenged Sir Robert Grosvenor over his arms,
which at the time were 'azure, a bend or' (basically a blue shield
with a diagonal gold bar from left to right) and after five years of
arguing won the case. Grosvenor was ordered to adopt a new set of arms
in 1390, which are 'azure, a garb or' (a blue shield with a golden
wheat sheaf in the middle) which are still the main part of the
Westminster arms today.
This particular Grosvenor was most unhappy at having to change his
arms and the story became something of a legend within the family, and
for some reason the 2nd Duke was given Bend Or as a nickname.
Having looked up the Westminsters, can anyone shed any light on Lady
Ursula Vernon, Bend Or's daughter who was born in 1902 and lived in
Ireland with her husband Major Stephen Vernon? From what I know they
socialised in Anglo-Irish circles (I have a picture of them dining
with Elizabeth Bowen at Bowen's Court) and there's no sign she's
passed away, nor her sister Lady Mary.
Shinjinee
don't know about Lady Ursula but assume so. I think one of her sons
predeceased her.
Shinjinee
Michael Rhodes
On 15 Oct, 13:36, JonnyK <j_kennedy1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Having looked up the Westminsters, can anyone shed any light on Lady
> Ursula Vernon, Bend Or's daughter who was born in 1902 and lived in
> Ireland with her husband Major Stephen Vernon? From what I know they
> socialised in Anglo-Irish circles (I have a picture of them dining
> with Elizabeth Bowen at Bowen's Court) and there's no sign she's
> passed away, nor her sister Lady Mary.
Lady Ursula died 5 June, 1978, and Lady Mary died 7 June, 2000.
ccz...@gwmail.nottingham.ac.uk
> arms and the story became something of a legend within the family, and
> for some reason the 2nd Duke was given Bend Or as a nickname.
Supposedly, the racehorse was named after the heraldic dispute and the
second Duke's nickname then taken from the horse.
The Duke's intimates (e.g. Churchill), however, are believe to have
called him Benny (as a contraction of Bend'Or).
Michael Rhodes
On 15 Oct, 14:54, Shinjinee <ssen_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Lady Mary is definitely dead (remember reading her obit some time);
> don't know about Lady Ursula but assume so. I think one of her sons
> predeceased her.
>
> Shinjinee
Lady Ursula died in 1978 and Lady Mary in 2000. (See my post at
a.t.r.)
>
> On Oct 15, 5:36 pm, JonnyK <j_kennedy1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Yes marquess, the details of the dispute are that in 1385 Sir Henry Le
> > Scrope, Lord Scrope challenged Sir Robert Grosvenor over his arms,
> > which at the time were 'azure, a bend or' (basically a blue shield
> > with a diagonal gold bar from left to right) and after five years of
> > arguing won the case. Grosvenor was ordered to adopt a new set of arms
> > in 1390, which are 'azure, a garb or' (a blue shield with a golden
> > wheat sheaf in the middle) which are still the main part of the
> > Westminster arms today.
>
> > This particular Grosvenor was most unhappy at having to change his
> > arms and the story became something of a legend within the family, and
> > for some reason the 2nd Duke was given Bend Or as a nickname.
>
> > Having looked up the Westminsters, can anyone shed any light on Lady
> > Ursula Vernon, Bend Or's daughter who was born in 1902 and lived in
> > Ireland with her husband Major Stephen Vernon? From what I know they
> > socialised in Anglo-Irish circles (I have a picture of them dining
> > with Elizabeth Bowen at Bowen's Court) and there's no sign she's
> > passed away, nor her sister Lady Mary.- Hide quoted text -
Jan Böhme
<ccz...@gwmail.nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> On 15 Oct, 13:36, JonnyK <j_kennedy1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This particular Grosvenor was most unhappy at having to change his
> > arms and the story became something of a legend within the family, and
> > for some reason the 2nd Duke was given Bend Or as a nickname.
>
> Supposedly, the racehorse was named after the heraldic dispute and the
> second Duke's nickname then taken from the horse.
Finally something that makes sort of sense. Not that nicknames, in the
aristocracy or outside it, always do...
Jan Böhme
