Lady Isabel Violet Kathleen Throckmorton (nee Manners)

[Michael Rhodes]

Lady Isabel Violet Kathleen Throckmorton (nee Manners) who died 21
Dec, 2008, aged 90, was the widow of Sir Robert Throckmorton, 11th
Baronet, and dau of the 9th Duke of Rutland. She was b 5 January 1918,
dau of John Henry Montaqu Manners, 9th Duke of Rutland, by his wife
Kathleen Tennant. She married, firstly, 24 Nov 1936 (div 1951), G/
Capt. Thomas Loel Evelyn Bulkeley Guinness, son of Benjamin Seymour
Guinness, by his wife the former Bridget Henrietta Frances Williams-
Bulkeley; married, secondly, 29 Jul 1953, Sir Robert George Maxwell
Throckmorton, 11th Bt., son of Lt.-Col. Richard Courtenay Brabazon
Throckmorton and Lilian Langford Brooke. A private Funeral Service
will be held on 24th December.

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[JonnyK]

Lady Isabel Throckmorton, nee Manners, leaves two children from her
marriage to Group Capt. Loel Guinness, a son William (Billy) Loel
Seymour Guinness (b. 1939), who married and has issue including a
daughter, Chloe, who is married to Lord Reginald Vane-Tempest Stewart,
younger son of the Marquess of Londonderry, and a daughter, Serena
Belinda Rosemary Guinness (b. 1941), better known as Lindy,
Marchioness of Dufferin and Ava.

[Shinjinee]

The only surviving son of the 9th Duke is his third and youngest son
Lord Roger Manners (b. 1925) whose younger daughter Phoebe announced
her engagement some months back.

Is his elder sister Lady Ursula d'Abo (b. 1916) still alive aged 92?
She was reported as living in 2003. Her second husband (md 1951) was
Robert Erland Nicolai d'Abo (1911-1970), of West Wratting Park,
Cambs; and had been previously married as well. They had issue, 2
sons and 1 daughter

a) (John) Henry Erland d'Abo (b. 7 October 1953) who purchased West
Wrattling Park from his siblings in 1983 (they apparently inherited
joint shares); he is married, and he and his wife attended the
memorial service for the Hon Sir Angus Ogilvy in March 2005.
b) Louisa Jane d'Abo (b. 8 January 1955) md 1981 Hon John Patrick
Ramsay (b. 1952) 3rd and yst son of the 16th Earl of Dalhousie, and
has issue 1 son and 1 daughter
c) Richard Winston Mark d'Abo (b. 3 Jul 1956), possibly now living in
the United States as a financier. The age fits.

Robert Erland Nicolai d'Abo was elder or eldest son of Gerard Louis
d'Abo (1884-1962) by his 1st wife (md 1909) Muriel Molesworth
Kindersley (1880-1921), 3rd dau of the 5 daus of Edward Nassau
Molesworth Kindersley, son of Nathaniel William Kindersley, a Judge of
the Madras High Court (Madras Presidency). Muriel was sister of
Robert Molesworth Kindersley (1871-1954), 1st Baron Kindersle, so not
a scion, but rather a sibling or a collateral. That makes Robert
d'Abo a first cousin of the 2nd Baron Kindersley.

Sources:

1. http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/gotha/rutland.html
Theroff's page on the Manners family needs some serious updating!

2. thepeerage.com for the names of Lady Ursula's children and on the
1st Baron Kindersley

3. the royal descent of Robert d'Abo via his Kindersley and Molesworth
ancestors
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=0aUD4NqGYqAC&pg=PA157
Ruvigny, Anne of Exeter volume, p. 157

4. http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=freer&id=I72625&ti=...
A list of some Kindersley descendants, and to check on Robert
Molesworth Kindersley being the same as the 1st Baron Kindersley.

[bx...@yahoo.com]

Shinjinee, Lady Ursula appears to be very much alive. She is listed
in Debrett's 2008.

Brooke

> 1.http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/gotha/rutland.html

> Theroff's page on the Manners family needs some serious updating!
>
> 2. thepeerage.com for the names of Lady Ursula's children and on the
> 1st Baron Kindersley
>
> 3. the royal descent of Robert d'Abo via his Kindersley and Molesworth

> ancestorshttp://books.google.co.in/books?id=0aUD4NqGYqAC&pg=PA157

> Ruvigny, Anne of Exeter volume, p. 157
>

> 4.http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=freer&id=I72625&ti=...

> A list of some Kindersley descendants, and to check on Robert
> Molesworth Kindersley being the same as the 1st Baron Kindersley.
>
> On Dec 27, 7:42�am, JonnyK <j_kennedy1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Lady Isabel Throckmorton, nee Manners, leaves two children from her
> > marriage to Group Capt. Loel Guinness, a son William �(Billy) Loel
> > Seymour Guinness (b. 1939), who married and has issue including a
> > daughter, Chloe, who is married to Lord Reginald Vane-Tempest Stewart,
> > younger son of the Marquess of Londonderry, and a daughter, Serena
> > Belinda Rosemary Guinness (b. 1941), better known as Lindy,

> > Marchioness of Dufferin and Ava.- Hide quoted text -
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[tartanlady]

Lady Ursula was most certainly very much alive on the 21st December.
She attended the funeral of Lady Isabel Throckmorton, as did her son
Richard

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