The King's Coronation

[bx...@yahoo.com]

We may not find out for some time as to the date of the actual coronation, but the Queen's Coronation was June 2, 1953.

May we see a Coronation 70 years to that date?

It will be interesting to find out.

Brooke

[colinp]

I wonder if we shall see a flurry of applications by peers to get on the Peerage Roll (or the Clerk of the Parliaments' Register) in the hope of securing an invitation (possibly ballotted?) to the Coronation.  I fear though that the involvement of the peers (and their peeresses) will be quite limited this time. 

[www.lordmountbattenofburma.com]

AND of course - since 1958 (post QE2 Coronation) we now have Life Peers.... so with hundreds of Peers - it is clearly not going to be possible for everyone to attend a Coronation, otherwise the Coronation will have to be held in the Stadium at Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park in East London!

[BREMENMURRAY]

There is also the fact that for example the Premier Marquess of England lives in South Africa.Would he still qualify to pay homage?

[www.lordmountbattenofburma.com]

Does he still have British nationality ?  you can live where you like surely - homage is swearing allegiance.  The Marquess of Winchester is also 80yrs old.

[malcolm davies]

LPOB,

          He is on the peerage roll, so will receive an invitation whereas the Duke of Atholl, who also lives in South Africa, is not at present.

An interesting case is the Duke of Argyll also not currently on the roll.But he is also hereditary master of the royal household in Scotland,so presumably will be invited in that  capacity, if he doesn't put himself on the roll in the meantime.

[BREMENMURRAY]

Recently heard a suggestion that in a dumbed down coronation the paying of homage by hereditary peers may go

[www.lordmountbattenofburma.com]

lots of speculation and rumour/gossip... as the press are trying to stir up news for the sake of it.... bearing in mind that with the financial situation at the moment, they are building up interest (no pun) to knock it down on how much it cost, compared to for example - how many children went without meals, elderly died, etc etc.  Its classic media games.

[John Horton]

The press love to stir up trouble. Presumably they see the word "pay" in "paying homage" and assume it must be expensive.

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[colinp]

There is an interesting paper I have just discovered, and am in the process of reading, published by the Constitution Unit of University College, London in May 2018 entitled "Inaugurating a New Reign: Planning for Accession and Coronation" which discusses the then forthcoming Accession and Coronation and changes that could be expected but also containing some fascinating information about the planning for the 1953 Coronation as contained in the National Archives.

181_-_Inaugurating_a_New_Reign (ucl.ac.uk)

Chapter 1 looks at the changes in society and government since 1953 that may have an impact on the Accession and Coronation.

Chapter 2 considers the Accession ceremonies and Chapter 3 the Coronation ceremonies.  Chapter 4 then looks at the next Coronation and changes that could be made.

The rumour is that the Coronation could take place sooner than many expect and certain preliminaries such as the ancient Court of Claims may be omitted.

[dpth...@gmail.com]

Will the current Dymoke of Scrivelsby, an accountant, still be expected to throw down his gauntlet and challenge protestors to a duel? At least they stopped them riding a horse into the abbey for it. :)

[malcolm davies]

colinp,

           Thank you for the link.

   However I was irritated to read these words:-

 " In retrospect the 1953 coronation falls to be understood as the last imperial hurrah. The
UK is no longer a global or a colonial power. Celebration will therefore need to reflect
what the UK has become rather than what it once was."

  This is reflective of the post world war II sentiment that the UK was in decline and the decline had to be managed,a sentiment that infuriated Margaret Thatcher.

  Let's hope Liz Truss pushes back against such sentiments.

[Jesse Honey]

Yes, many thanks for the link and, like dptheroff, I will be intrigued to see how an accountant throws down the garter! 

Fortunately I think that King Charles himself, a thoughtful and intelligent man who has had the benefit of over seventy years of considering Britain's place in the world (then and now) will have a greater say over the coronation arrangements than the Prime Minister. 

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[colinp]

There was an exhibition at the Supreme Court in 2013 about the Court of Claims.  This is the link to the webpage about it -  Symbolic claims court: New exhibition on historic Court of Claims unveiled - The Supreme Court

[colinp]

Interview in the Telegraph with the King's Champion, Francis Dymoke -  ‘My family have been to every coronation since 1066 – I’m waiting for my invitation’ (telegraph.co.uk)

It would indeed be a shame if he were not invited

[Henry W]

I spotted that article too - a good read.

Francis DYMOKE is Head of that LG family of Scrivelsby, and his father, John, is treated in Burke's Landed Gentry 1952 as Head of the family (within the lifetime of Francis' grandfather Lionel), showing the lineage from Norman times and recording their roles at the coronations.  The MARMION family were originally granted the Scrivelsby estate, and it passed into the DYMOKE family by marriage in the late 14th century.  As the Telegraph records, the right to act as Champion is tied to the land, rather than the bloodline.

Of interest BLG 1952 also records an unsuccessful attempt of the family in 1814 to claim the Baron MARMION title, an old barony by writ long in abeyance.

[Richard R]

The Government's website:

https://coronation.gov.uk/