Titles that have merged with the Crown?

[bx...@yahoo.com]

What titles have merged with the Crown and which are available for
regranting?

Thanks.

Brooke

[the_ver...@comcast.net]

All titles granted under the Peerages of England, Scotland, Ireland, and The United Kingdom and that are not presently extant have merged with the crown with the exception of the suspended Peerages of 1917. Any and all titles which have merged with the crown are available for re-grant.

"Hitch not the Chariot of State to the twin steeds of Government and Religion, for down that path lies chaos"
Leto II

Thanks.

Brooke

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[S. Jones]

Of course the number of titles that have merged as a result of their
holder succeeding to the throne or the king being the heir to the
peerage according to the remainder are much more limited in number.

SJ

[marquess]

Yes that might well be the case but can anyone provide a comprehensive
list, I personally have only ever taken a fleeting interest in Royal
dukedoms, being more concerned with the more common peerage.

[Turenne]

On 22 Apr, 08:23, marquess <marquessmarqu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Yes that might well be the case but can anyone provide a comprehensive
> list, I personally have only ever taken a fleeting interest in Royal
> dukedoms, being more concerned with the more common peerage.
>

Here's a few:

Albany
Albemarle
Bedford (Royal creation)
Cambridge
Clarence
Connaught
Cumberland
Hereford
Kendal
Ross
Sussex
Windsor
St Andrews (in addition to another dukedom)
Strathearn ditto
Teviotdale ditto
Avondale ditto
Earl of Warwick (Clarence's son of the 1st creation)

The existing dukedoms are of course Cornwall & Rothesay, Gloucester,
Kent, Edinburgh and York (and the earldom of Wessex).

RL

[Turenne]

Just a note on the dukedom of Kendal. Although it was conferred on
George I's mistress Melsine von der Schulenberg, it was also conferred
on Charles Stuart, Duke of Kendal (4 July 1666 – 22 May 1667) who was
the third son of James, Duke of York and Anne Hyde.

There were a few other royal earldoms like Richmond and one or two
baronies, like Wokingham. It's a bit of a fag to find the all...

RL

[Peter FitzGerald]

On Apr 22, 8:23 am, marquess <marquessmarqu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Yes that might well be the case but can anyone provide a comprehensive
> list, I personally have only ever taken a fleeting interest in Royal
> dukedoms, being more concerned with the more common peerage.

Those which (a) have actually "merged in the Crown" in the technical
sense (i.e. have not simply become extinct under the normal operation
of their letters patent), and (b) are available for regrant (in the
practical sense that there is no title in existence - of whatever rank
- with the same name):

Albany
Ardmannoch
Cambridge*
Clarence
Dublin**
Eltham
Killarney**
Lancaster
Launceston
Munster**
Northallerton
Strathearn***
Tewkesbury

* the Duke of Hamilton and Brandon is Earl of Arran and Cambridge in
the Peerage of Scotland, but this never seems to have stopped the use
of "Cambridge" as a Royal title.
** these titles refer to places in the Republic of Ireland and so are
extremely unlikely to be regranted.
*** the Earl of Moray is Lord Abernethy and Strathearn, but this never
seems to have stopped "Strathearn" being used as a Royal title, albeit
in recent years it has only ever been used as an add-on to another
place and not as a standalone title.

Others available places previously used in Royal titles but which have
never merged with the Crown include:

Arklow*
Athlone*
Avondale
Berkhamsted
Buckingham
Carisbrooke
Connaught*
Dauntsey
Holdenby
Kendal
Kennington
Sussex
Tipperary*
Trematon
Wigmore
Wigtown
Windsor
Wokingham

*these places are now in the Republic of Ireland.

There are of course more if you include titles granted to Royal
bastards, mistresses, etc., but I have only listed those granted
either to actual members of the Royal Family, consorts and legitimate
members of female-line houses (such as the Battenbergs).

[ThomasFoolery]

Do the titles generally given to the heir to the Throne technically
merge with the Crown? I image the Wales and Chester peerages do, but
what about the Dukedoms of Cornwall and Rothesay, Earldom or Carrick,
etc. Obviously they go away, but do the original laws that instituted
them spell out this out? Do the titles simply cease to exist (like a
regular Royal dukedom) or are they still technically the same title
"inherited" by a new holder, rather than a series of new creations?

On Apr 23, 6:33 am, Peter FitzGerald <peter.fitzger...@live.com>
wrote:

[Hovite]

On Apr 24, 5:20 am, ThomasFoolery <mmp...@eden.rutgers.edu> wrote:
> Do the titles generally given to the heir to the Throne technically
> merge with the Crown?  I image the Wales and Chester peerages do, but
> what about the Dukedoms of Cornwall and Rothesay, Earldom or Carrick,
> etc.  Obviously they go away, but do the original laws that instituted
> them spell out this out?  Do the titles simply cease to exist (like a
> regular Royal dukedom) or are they still technically the same title
> "inherited" by a new holder, rather than a series of new creations?

<marquessmarqu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester become extinct and have to be
created again.

Duke of Cornwall and Duke of Rothesay are presumed to belong by right
to the eldest son and heir apparent of the King and no new creation is
required. George III was never Duke of Cornwall because he was never
the eldest son of a King.

[Turenne]

On 23 Apr, 11:33, Peter FitzGerald <peter.fitzger...@live.com> wrote:

>
> Others available places previously used in Royal titles but which have
> never merged with the Crown include:
>
> Arklow*
> Athlone*
> Avondale
> Berkhamsted
> Buckingham
> Carisbrooke
> Connaught*
> Dauntsey
> Holdenby
> Kendal
> Kennington
> Sussex
> Tipperary*
> Trematon
> Wigmore
> Wigtown
> Windsor
> Wokingham
>

Peter, is the above list inclusive of my list of or instead of it?

Richard L

[Michael Rhodes]

Re Cornwall. It will be interesting to see what happens here if the succession law is changed. Can the charter be tampered with to enable the dukedom to pass to tghe sovereign's eldest child?

 

 

[Peter FitzGerald]

> Peter, is the above list inclusive of my list of or instead of it?

Instead of, but we've used different criteria, I think - I haven't
listed titles (like Albemarle and Bedford) that are unavailable for
regrant. It's also worth pointing out that we've both gone back so far
that some titles we're listed are apparently not considered Royal any
more - Buckingham, for instance, though once created for a son of King
Edward III, has had several non-Royal creations since then.

[Peter FitzGerald]

On Apr 26, 6:26 am, Michael Rhodes <mig73allenford2...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> Re Cornwall. It will be interesting to see what happens here if the
> succession law is changed. Can the charter be tampered with to enable the
> dukedom to pass to tghe sovereign's eldest child?

The descent of all peerages can be altered by Act of Parliament. Since
an Act would of course be needed to change the succession itself, I
imagine such an Act would take care of things like the Dukedom of
Cornwall (and presumably also the Dukedom of Rothesay etc.) which
would need altering as a consequence.

[Turenne]

Peter Fitzgerald wrote:

>Instead of, but we've used different criteria, I think...

Maybe we used different criteria, but it doesn't explain why you
haven't included the likes of Sussex and Connaught in your list, but
have included Carisbrooke which isn't a royal title.

Richard

[marquess]

I thought that Connaught just become extinct when the son of the last
duke died in Canada?

[Peter FitzGerald]

I did...

Connaught is directly below Carisbrooke, in fact. And Sussex is
between Kennington and Tipperary.

[Turenne]

On 26 Apr, 16:27, Peter FitzGerald <peter.fitzger...@live.com> wrote:
.
>
> Connaught is directly below Carisbrooke, in fact. And Sussex is
> between Kennington and Tipperary.

Sorry; my brain is beginning to atrophy...

RL